Egyptian MiG-19s In Combat, Part 1
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In early 1960s, Egypt acquired MiG-19s from Soviet Union. Those were the first true supersonic fighters in the Egyptian Force and in Arab countries generally. The first encounter with the Israeli Air Force took place in 1966 but the Six Day War of 1967 would prove to be the ultimate challenge for the Soviet fighter in Egyptian service.
Sources:
- David Nicolle and Tom Cooper - Arab MiG-19 & MiG-21 Units in Combat
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- David Nicolle and Tom Cooper - MiGs in the Middle East: Volume 2 - Soviet-designed Combat Aircraft in Egypt and Syria 1963-1967
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- Ran Ronen - Eagle in the Sky
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- Shlomo Aloni - Israeli Mirage and Nesher Aces
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Certain details in this video are not 100% historic. Egyptian MiG-19s were S models while here we use the radar equipped P version. Israeli Mirages can be seen carrying Super R.530 missiles and Magic 2 instead of period correct ones. The Sinai map used here is a modern map and certain locations and airbases looked differently in the 1960s. Hurghada airbase is not modeled so another one was used instead of it. These are not mistakes but platform limitations and there's no need to comment on it. Thank you for your understanding!
@pablopeter3564
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the explanation about the details, however what it matters is the historical event.
@Lemard77
11 ай бұрын
Really nice to see the MiG-19 featured 👍 Another small correction would be that the MiG-19S only had cannon armament with no missiles. And for most of their relevant career the 19P didn't either, this being a 1967 modification of the Soviet PVO interceptors to try to keep them relevant at that point in time when the rest of the newer interceptor fleet used missiles as their primary armament. Pakistan did use PL-2s and even J/P model sidewinders in their Chinese J-6s however. I know it technically looks wrong, but if you have the rest of the scenes for part 2 recorded already it's not neccesary to remake them without missiles, it's not worth to repeat all the work 🙏
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
@@Lemard77 Thanks, that seems to be correct. Although, there's a color profile in Nicolle's and Cooper's book of an Egyptian MIG-19 with R-3S missiles but that is from 1969. There's also a testimony of a pilot who fought two Mirages that same year (you'll see that battle in part 2) and he was supposedly returning from a training mission in which he had launched his missiles. It could be that they were modified after the Six Day War. And yes, all the scenes are already done 😟
@Lemard77
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 That's really interesting, nice to learn about, there may have been own modifications by the Egyptians yeah, you can find a photo of an Egyptian MiG-21MF with four AIM-9J/P sidewinders loaded in it
@peterweicker77
10 ай бұрын
Also, the pilot appears to be Vietnamese.
Interesting to note that the air battles of the Six-Day War, the War of Attrition, and the Yom Kippur War saw heavy use of cannon, even in the age of missiles.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
The missiles were very unreliable, especially on low level where much of the fighting was taking place. Mirages achieved almost all of their kills with cannons.
@gwtpictgwtpict4214
8 ай бұрын
Early days in the age of air to air missiles and their performance did not live up to expectations hence back to the guns. Remember at this point America is involved in Vietnam and is learning that maybe the F4 Phantom could do with a gun while they get these new fangled missiles sorted out.
Another excellent video. I'm looking forward to part 2. By the way, the East German/GDR air force operated twelve MiG-19PM and twelve MiG-19S between 1959 and 1969. They were accident prone. Four of the MiG-19PMs and five of the MiG-19S were lost. A few of the crashes were also due to pilot error.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! It seems like a few Egyptian MiG-19s were lost too early in their operational years.
A beautifully done, action-packed episode! These 60's vintage jets, particularly those operated by the Middle Eastern Air Forces, always fascinate me. The attack on Hurghada is one of the many battles described in the "Dogfight" series, with Ronen himself providing some recollections. The way you depicted the air battle is much better, though... much more realistic, IMHO. Keep up the good work!
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! Dogfights were one of the main inspiration for the videos I make. But I don't use the same approach.
*Love to Egypt from Bangladesh 🇧🇩 🇪🇬*
Very nice work! Thanks for re-enacting these historical battles that you don't know or have heard about.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Having been on the ground during events similar to those you portray, I have an appreciation for how realistic computers are starting to make things look. You do a great job with your story telling. Keep up the good work.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this feedback and for sharing experience. As a person who started playing flight sims on 8-bit computers, the progress they made is unbelievable.
Me: “ah a new Showtime112 video”. * presses the like button before the video has even started
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate your confidence, thanks!
When I was a kid I remember seeing RAAF Mirages based at Amberley Air Base flying over. They were a good looking plane.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Yes, French design has always been something special 😁
Excellent video. A good history lesson for a Saturday morning
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad you liked it, thank you!
GREAT JOB as usual. Thanks very much Showtime 112. EXCELLENT.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Glad you still like the videos, thanks!
Wonderful! Really looking forward part 2!
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
Good job! I recommend this channel for all my friends!
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Thank you. Great work.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it, thanks!
Your productions are incredible.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the feedback!
Always look forward to the Mini-stories. Great as always!!
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I'm very glad to hear it, thank you!
Thats a great job! Congratulations.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
Amazing video, really enjoyed it a lot. Great work.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
All in all it was not a good showing for the EAF or the Mig 19. Thanks for another great video! Looking forward to Part 2 !
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanla for the comment! They did a little better later but you'll see it on the sequel.
Molto interessante! È l'ennesima narrazione che guardo. Ottimo lavoro! 👍🍀🤩
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Grazie, I'm glad you enjoy the videos!
Awesome video, thanks
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this positive feedback!
Teu canal é história da aviação na melhor e mais interessante maneira de apresentação. Aguardando a segunda parte com muita expectativa. Obrigado ! (escrevo em português mas sou brasileiro)
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Muito obrigado! I make the kind of content that I'd like to watch myself.
@franps6205
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Por isto teus videos são ótimos. Agradeço sua atenção.
@user-uu7ip5mk1q
9 ай бұрын
كم ايويهة النذل
Love these. Keep it up.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
There's more coming, thanks for the feedback!
Muchas gracias. Ha sido espectacular
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for your positive comment!
love the music.❤
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
Great work ST112! You probably already knew this but Col Robin Old's call sign was Showtime. The IAF made the Mig-19 look hopeless but they were still dangerous when flown in an ambush tactic like the NVNAF did.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! The channel's name actually came from the callsign of an F-4J Phantom flown by Cunningham and Driscoll in Vietnam. MiG-19 was probably most important as a stepping stone for the MiG bureau where they gained experience with supersonic fighters.
@nickmitsialis
11 ай бұрын
That's cuz the NVA migs (at least the supersonic ones) weren't supposed to dogfight, they were supposed to intercept and disrupt the strike package. If they get a kill, that's great, but if the strike dumps its' bombs to get more speed and maneuverability, then even better. So for the "21" it was one fast pass to fire missiles then disengage fast. It worked well, because a Mig21 was a small plane that was hard to see, with a clean burning engine (no exhaust trails). It was said that by the time you COULD see a Mig 21, they were already in range to use their 'atoll' missiles-and often did. The Mig 19s were almost a 'spry' as a mig 17 and had the advantage of being supersonic as well as having those huge cannons. I think the planes that were lost to Mig19s during the 1972 'Linebacker' campaigns were all lost to guns. The F4 got fixated on an unlucky Mig21 then got bounced by a Mig19 (I think they -the Mig 19s- were 'hiding in the weeds' when they engaged).
@donparker1823
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 You’re correct of course. Olds was Wolf.
@donparker1823
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Pity about Randy Cunningham doing time for bribery. He’s quoted as saying “If you’re not cheating you’re not trying.” As an instructor at Top Gun. I guess he took that philosophy a bit too far.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
@@donparker1823 I'd say he was probably a much better pilot than a politician 😁
Awesome video!, as always your treatment of history is impecable, ty for these work, makes me want to play DCS and also to enjoy history as it proves that reality is better than fiction!, pls link the mirage mod, it looks awesome
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! If you have an urge to play DCS, I don't see why you should hold back 😁 Here's the Mirage link www.lockonforum.de/community/thread/8294-mirage-iii-c-s/
Très intéressant. Merci.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it, thanks!
Thank you 👍
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
Nice video 👍
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
Nice vidoe man
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for covering this portion if aerial history. Youve shed more light than the Dogfights episide with Rom Ronin. Excellent work as always from Showtime 112! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌸🌼🏵️🏴☠️🏹
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! As for that episode with Ronin, I'll probably cover that someday too.
@tetraxis3011
7 ай бұрын
Granted the Dogfights episodes are almost if not more than 10 years old at this point.
Great work Showtime112 as always. 👍Your Historical Content always leaves me speechless especially when it comes to the Six-Day War.👍 If I may say so at 05.38 you show the Israeli Shahak, dropping two bombs from under the wings as far my memories serves me right the Runway bombs two 400 kg GP=General Purpose Bombs were placed on the Centerline Stores Pylons, and under the wings you had either two, 1300-ltr. Drop Tanks or two, 500-ltr. Supersonic fuel tanks or at times even JL-100 fuel/rocket packs.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks once again, always good to hear from you! As for the Mirage payload, I had some problems with the fuel tank for the 119 Squadron skin. they simply lacked the texture and I wasn't sure why so I didn't put them.
Thanks!
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for another donation!
The modern Middle Eastern air warfare always difficult in getting fact straight with the two side Israel and the Arabs neighbour.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Yes, there's a lot of discrepancy between the two sides.
Wow, I am very proud the Pakistan stood side by side with Egypt with their MiG-21s and Flew with these beasts
Hi amazing content and great video. I was wandering if you are planing on making a video about the Macedonian su25s in 2001?
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! Maybe I'll cover that story one day. I don't have detailed information on it but maybe I can dig something up.
@batelube3241
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 ok maybe I can provide some info if you need me to.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
@@batelube3241 Sure, if you have any good sources, feel free to let me know.
I really like the angle and visual effects at 3:31
@zanderlabuschagne2368
10 ай бұрын
Many other spectacular angles throughout the video, some close up with the aircraft and some static from a distance. Very well done.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Yes, I was happy with that one too. It's mostly about the sun. It needs to be low to get the best results. All the Top Gun scenes were shot only in those 'golden hour' periods in the morning and evenings.
I like this ancient style Egyptian music, what the pharaohs would had thought about this flying machines over the once his skies?
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Well, according to some theories, ancient Egyptians may have had flying machines 😁😁
@raymundovergararoman2473
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 and take for sure Egyptian pharaos would get very disappointed after asking. Some questions to anyone for the Israeli ace fighters,.imagine the talk: One of the pharaos: Why your vimana (I ignore egyptian word for vimana) is slow, so smokey, and so unagile. -israeli fighter pilot: my vi,, what? Don't mind son, you wouldn't understand it
Bravo Mirage 3
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
It was a very special airplane for sure!
Great!
@showtime112
13 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
the MiG 19 was a notoriously short ranged aircraft if I recall
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Yes, MiGs generally are known for short legs. Two engines probably made the problem even worse.
@tetraxis3011
7 ай бұрын
@@showtime112Migs tend to be light to medium fighters. Suhkoi is the one who makes the heavy bois
Man... That music brings memmories, if you know you know 😆
I love the Mig19, probably one of my favourite aircraft in DCS and outside of DCS. Is there any reason why the Egyptians had such a rough time engaging the Israelis at the time? Very interesting video as usual Showtime112, thank you.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I wasn't much of a fan before DCS but now, I enjoy flying it. As for the Egyptians, their level of training in the 60s was inferior to Israeli. And their military was probably organized with strong political influence (never a good thing).
@Sturminfantrist
11 ай бұрын
"yes inferior Level of Training ........" and soviet style Tactic/training Read Osprey Combat Aircraft No44 "Arab MiG-19 and MiG-21 units in combat", great source
@realseif4759
10 ай бұрын
On paper the mig19 and mig21 stand a very low chance against the marage and F4, and it is a miracle that both side had a similar loss ratio of jets
@mameyn9282
10 ай бұрын
@realseif4759 In Vietnam, MiG-19s enjoyed success against American F-4s because they were often able to drag the cannonless phantom into close dogfighting combat. The high number of losses on the part of Egypt was more due to training issues
@realseif4759
10 ай бұрын
@@mameyn9282 the f4s that belonged to the israelis had cannons, they were also capable of carrying 8 or 12 missiles while the migs only had 2
The MiG-19 was a difficult jet to master, and something of a maintenance nightmare, especially when subjected to the merciless wear and tear of sustained combat operations. The EAF had fewer issues keeping its many MiG-17s, MiG-21s, Su-7s, Su-20s, and Mirages in service. However, in peacetime, the MiG-19/J-6 played a useful role as an advanced trainer for fast jet pilots, helping to keep their yearly flight hours up, and therefore extending the service lives of the EAF’s more valuable airframes. It is also said that most of the EAF’s best F-16 pilots are former J-6 pilots, which seems to confirm the effectiveness of the MiG-19/J-6 in this role.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for providing info!
30 years ago I took anything Israel or the USA said as gospel. Now that they have been exposed as extremely dishonest, I am partial to the Egyptian story.
@miquelescribanoivars5049
11 ай бұрын
Hoping that the IDF will follow through and publish an unfiltered list of their aircraft losses for the Yom Kippur's 50th anniversary (IIRC, the records could could be declassified after that mark), even Western experts have expressed ""some"" doubts about the claim that the IDF lost just a little over a 100 aircraft during the whole operation... Not holding my breath, though, not holding it at all.
@realseif4759
10 ай бұрын
@@miquelescribanoivars5049both sides lost about 400 jets each
Hello mate. Fine vidéo of mig 19 and Mirage3CJ. As usual, the old way...the 30mm guns.. reliable. Thanks thousand times to write my name at end of vidéo 🍌🍌. Will send by mail some pictures of Ran Ronen , his mirage, his kills and mig 19 drawings
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for another comment! I had to mention you sooner or later 😊
👍
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Hvala!
The Mirage IIIC is the best looking aircraft of all time.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
You are definitely the first viewer to make such comment.
Cold War's most beautiful, clean looking aircraft was the Mirage III, and the bare metal finish with Israely markings looked awesome! Just too shiny in the desert skies, I think.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I can't argue with that.
@NefariousKoel
11 ай бұрын
I think they painted them in camo, or most of them, by the Yom Kippur War a little later. IIRC.
@BruceK10032
10 ай бұрын
@@NefariousKoel Certainly. But the Israelis had them in natural metal in 1967. Thing is, though, that I thought the MiGs were in natural metal too in 1967.
@NefariousKoel
10 ай бұрын
@@BruceK10032 - Not sure exactly when but I recall a story of the Egyptian aircraft being hurriedly painted with whatever paint they could come up with on short notice, at some point. Think they said much of it was paint originally intended for cars.
Dear MIG 19s. Do something....anything. 😂
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
They did a little better later. Not entirely better but a little 😁
The MIRAGE III, used special bombs for attacking egyptian base. It was bomb for making a big crater on the runway. The big part of the israeli victories was in using canons, the missiles did not work properly on 1967. The israeli pilots were very well trained at the aerial combat. A year, only one pilot was able to become a fighter pilot on MIRAGE, it was very hard to succeed during the training.
@dominiqueroudier9401
10 ай бұрын
Salut Jeanne, weekend terminé 😅. Vidéo excellente. Une partie des infos ont été fournis par moi surtout pour commentaires. D'ailleurs mon nom est a la fin de la vidéo pour me.remercier. les chevilles enflent. Et la comme d'habitude... tout au canon👍
@jeannezehner9450
10 ай бұрын
@@dominiqueroudier9401 On prend de l'importance.
@dominiqueroudier9401
10 ай бұрын
@@jeannezehner9450 surtout pour l'aider. J'ai beaucoup de docs sur ces conflits et bien d'autres. Ça peut toujours servir de mettre une photo d'époque dans la vidéo. Je lui ai envoyé la photo prise au sol du Mirage 3 CJ de Ran Ronen qui a bute les 2 Mig 19 ainsi que du pilote et les pistards autour du zinc. Je serai incapable de faire une vidéo comme ça. Vivement la 2e partie En plus le Mig 19 a eu un taux d attrition élève même en temps de paix
@jeannezehner9450
10 ай бұрын
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Un véritable musée de la mémoire aérienne !! Par contre, j'ai un type qui vient de m'écrire sur une autre vidéo d Showtime et qui m'affirme que des IFF existaient pendant la deuxième guerre mondiale, comme sur Spitfire et sur Me-109 ? Peux tu éclairer ma lanterne à ce sujet please ?
@dominiqueroudier9401
10 ай бұрын
@@jeannezehner9450 Oui , je revérifier sur des schémas éclatés de me 109 Donc il est basique couplée au poste radio FuG16ZY, s'appelle FuG25a. Le câble sort du fuselage verticalement pour se fixer au câble radio qui va du mat jusqu'à tête de dérive vertical. Pour Fw190 c'est pareil a part que c'est une petite antenne vertical pointant vers le bas. Se situe au niveau cocarde fuselage en arrière antenne circulaire. Pour le spit. C'est simple un câble (2) qui part du bout des ailerons de profondeur et terminer milieu du fuselage. Je connais pas les fréquences déterminees. Pour le Tempest , voir le grand cirque, il explique le système "canary". Ça agit sur les lampes des scope radar. La radio c'est pas mon truc
It's important to factor in the sheer amount of training the Israeli Air Force pilots receive compared to the Egyptians. If you compare the Egyptian and Syrian air force performance compared to the Jordanians who were trained by the British (and flew Hawker Hunters) as well as Bengali/Pakistani pilots who were seconded to the Syrians and Jordanians, there's a distinct difference.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Yes, it seems like in the 60s, Arab militaries were more about politics than about competence. That changed after the Six Day War and it looks like their level of training improved dramatically.
@abdulmismail
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 I agree - but after the 1973 Arab/Israeli (Yom Kippur) War, the Israelis ended up steaming ahead and ended up always being one step ahead. As you know, the Israeli Air Force was absolutely decimated by Egyptian SAMs which allowed the Egyptian army to retake the Suez. Where the Arabs f*cked up was Sadaat (Egypt) told Assad (Syria) that "we're going all the way to Israel", Assad believed him - but Sadaat only had the intention of taking back the SInai. So, the Syrian attack to retake the Golan went really well but then the Syrians realised the Egyptians weren't advancing. The Israelis also realised the Egyptians stopped so the IDF redeployed most of their forces to the North and beat back the Syrians. Assad cried for help - but against the wishes of General Sa'ad El Shazli, Sadaat ordered the Egyptians to leave their defensive SAM umbrella and head intot he Sinai. The Israeli air force decimated the Egyptians and then Ariel Sharon saw a gap in the Egyptian lines, broke through and cut off the Egyptian army from Cairo. So, Israeli victory wasn't really about Israeli superiority but more about Arab stupidity. But, from the late 1970s/early 1980s, the Israelis got F-15s and F-16s and now the F-35. The Egyptians and Jordanians only have F-16s but the former ordered Dassault Rafales. The Syrians wanted to buy the Su-35 and S-300s but I don't think that order went through.
@miquelescribanoivars5049
11 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure though, Tom Cooper who is one of the top researchers of military aviation history in the Middle East claims that the Egyptian Air Force had pretty high training standards with some fighter units having an impressive log book of flight hours and combat training. Instead Tom Cooper blames the poor showing on the quality of the Soviet built air-to-air armament, in the Six Days War the equippment was comparable but the IDF destroyed most of the combat planes on the ground while in the Yom Kippuer War Israel had a massive edge with the Shafrir-2's and AIM-9G's missiles being vastly superior to the R3S's as well as Western planes having general better cannons and fcs.
@moalzaben5554
11 ай бұрын
@abdulmismail yeah u are right about Jordanian pilots being better trained. I remember watching a documentary about Israel Air Force Mirage III pilots engaged in a dogfight RJAF Hawker Hunter pilots, and specific israeli pilot did manage to eventually shoot down the Jordanian Hawker Hunter, but he did say that it was one hell of a dogfight because the Jordanian pilot was extremely skilled and the Jordanian pilot led the Mirage III into a canyon nearly crashing in the process. Yes the RJAF did get decimated in the Six day war because the IAF’s successful air interdiction campaign operation focus, but the Jordanians had some success in shooting down some Mysteres in their hawker hunters and it was specifically done by PAF pilot Saiful Azm, hell even the Iraqi Air Force did also have some success against Vautours and Mirage IIIs in their hunters and they were lead by Saiful Azm as well. Am I right or is this correct info?
@abdulmismail
10 ай бұрын
@@moalzaben5554 Yes, you're correct. You're referring to "Dogfights of the Middle East" or "Desert Aces" from The History Channel. I gave my copy to a former Bangladesh Air Force Air Chief Marshall. Group Captain (Retd.) Saiful Azam was a Bengali who flew for the Pakistan Air Force prior to partition. I used to communicate with him about 13 years ago.
Bangladesh had legend squardon leader Saiful Ajam who fought ferociously against Israel Air Force & Indian Air Force from Bangladesh for Pakistan Air Force.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
His story has been covered on the channel in a two-part video. Feel free to check it if you haven't.
where are those graphic from?
@newman8523
8 ай бұрын
found it thx
Pohvale za Vaš trud,ali interesira me Vaše mišljenje da li bi ovi migovi imali više šansi sa vrhunskim pilotima.Mislim da izraelski piloti imaju najviše borbenih sati leta na svijetu,ali opet ostaje pitanje da li bi bilo drukčije da su sa druge strane bili piloti sličnih kvalitete
@zpopov12
10 ай бұрын
😊
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Što se tiče Šestodnevnog rata, ne bi bilo drastične razlike. Možda bi nešto više Miragea bilo oboreno ali rat je za Arape izgubljen na strateškoj razini. Nespremnost, nagomilani avioni u bazama, konfuzija u vodstvu.... Do rata 1973, Arapi su vrlo značajno digli razinu obuke pilota. Postigli su nešto više uspjeha ali ih je kočila tehnologija (R-3S rakete recimo) tako da im je uspjeh opet izmakao.
@zpopov12
10 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Hvala 🙂
😂😂😂whatever you say. Jimi made a few demos of Born under a bad sing btw.
We’re going to hear more abt Ronan I think.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
That is likely 😬
I can't find part two
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
It's not out yet
Great videos. I’m interested to know. Do you always only use Israeli sources for your material? If you were to read the Egyptian side of the story, it would be different in many of the videos you produce. I know that our western sources only ever promote the Israeli side of the story. But I always take it with a huge grain of salt. Think of the Russia/Ukraine war coverage by the western media as an example. The fact is that when you consider all the wars/battles that took place, both sides lost hundreds of aircraft each. Yet, we only ever get news and info on Israeli “successes”.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
I thought that it was pretty obvious that this video is not based only on Israeli sources. And no matter how much Israeli sources might be skewed, it doesn't make much sense that losses were equal, especially not in the Six Day War. It was a clear victory, nobody even tries to challenge that. At best, you might prove that some of the downed Israeli aircraft were shot down by Arab aircraft and not by air defense.
Israeli pilots training, experience and intelligence level far exceeded Egyptian and Syrian pilots, plus the Mirage III was a superior aircraft over the Mig19 and I would rate it a cut above the Mig21 too.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I remember that Israelis did mock dogfights with that MiG-21 which defected from Iraq against Mirages. MiG supposedly won every time.
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طايرات ميج ١٩ المصرية اسقططت طائرتين من نوع نورد اطلس اسائيليتين فى حرب الأيام الستة كانوا يحملون جنود مظلات
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
That story is covered in part 2
Avion egy avec drapo sur ?
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
If you think it is a Syrian skin, it really isn't. Egypt kept calling itself 'The United Arab Republic' years after that union broke up and their Air Force kept using the same insignia until 1971 I think. This ia period correct.
الميك/١٩ كانت من افضل الطائرات السوفيتيه٠٠خلال الستينات من القرن الماضي٠تحفظ الروس على تجهيزها حتى لأقرب حلفائهم ٠٠والغريب ان السوفيت زودوا المرحوم( عبد الكريم قاسم ) بسرب حديث منها ودربوا عليه افضل الطيارين العراقيين ٠٠٠وكانت تعتبر طائرة تفوق٠٠ اخواننا ورفاقنا طياروا( ( عروس الثورات في ٨شباط ١٩٦٣ ٠٠!!! ) كان هذا السرب الذي يخص الوطن ( طياراته وطياريها) هو أول هدف لهم فدمروها جميعا وهي جاثمه على أرض قاعدة الرشيد ٠٠٠ و انا لله وانا اليه راجعون ٠٠!!!
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@showtime112
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
_MIG-19 had AA missiles at that time?_
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Actually not that is an oversight. In my defense, I was coming down with a fever so my attention to detail was questionable 😁 It looks like they had missiles after tge Six Day War
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@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Nice to hear from you, Pappa!
@PappaBear_yt
11 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Hey, I hope you have a great weekend! 🥳
Which game
@showtime112
5 ай бұрын
DCS World
@teerthrajtirpude1950
5 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 thank you
If it's good for them 😜😜☺️🙂🙂 feathered friends then it's good for us too.. We have identical... similar situation and required temperature 🤒 and humanities to the requirements of usability living means more effective work worthy
Excellent video... Very well-made...The Israelis were badass...
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! It seems to be their philosophy 😁
Aesthetically, I think Migs 15 -19 had a certain "ugly beauty" to them. Migs 21 - 27 were just ugly. Mig 29 - 35 are true beauties.
@showtime112
3 ай бұрын
I kinda like MiG-19 because it's a bit overlooked. Its older and younger siblings get a lot more attention.
Shenyang?😳 Jman
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
You'll have to explain that.
@robertmunoz7543
10 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 Chinese maker of certain migs used by counties such as egypt!🤔 Jman
Even before operating fully with American jets, Israelis pilots were top notch. As the saying goes, it’s the pilot, not the plane.
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
I guess they had to be like that. Arab militaries were often more about politics, tribes etc.
Perhaps the greatest generation in IADF history, technologically they were peer or near peer to their adversaries but they fought with so much skill the outcome was a landslide...
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Yes, it was a combination of several factors but Israeli pilots were top notch, no doubt.
Another Hero-Story's of the Western Countrya. I dont believe....
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Well, if you want to watch fantasy, find some fantasy chanel.
Give me sir I am in problem
Please make a video on how a lone Pakistani pilot flying Syrian MiG 21 fought with two Israeli mirages and shot down one of them killing its pilot Captain Lutz in the combat. He won this combat on almost empty fuel tanks using a very umique approach by letting Israeli Mirages overshot him.
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
It is on my 'to do' list
I remember watching a documentary of a dogfight that happened in 1966 between Israeli Mirage IIIs and Jordanian Hawker Hunters. One of the Israeli pilots did manage to shoot down the Hunter, but he did say that it was an intense dogfight because the Hunter literally led him into the canyon and was kicking off some dust blocking the Mirage’s view and nearly crashing in the process. That Israeli pilot said that Jordanian Air Force pilots were extremely skilled! I guess it’s because of the RJAF pilots being personally trained by the RAF.
@NefariousKoel
11 ай бұрын
That was an episode of the "Dogfights" series. Excellent series. History channel has posted them all on a KZread playlist for free now!
@moalzaben5554
10 ай бұрын
@@NefariousKoel thanks for reminding me dude, I have to say that was one hell of a dogfight, the Jordanian might have been shot down, but he did pull off some crazy maneuvers
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
The Israeli pilot was Ran Ronen who claimed two MiG-19 kills over Hurghada
Hai sir I am locked come to save people locked 9
Egypt to israel before: i am going to crush you dust by dust Egypt to israel now: you give us wheat and we give you sandstone brother
@showtime112
11 ай бұрын
Something they probably should have done back in 1948 but I guess it wasn't possible for various reasons.
Any idea how many aircraft's Israel lost to Pakistani Pilots.😅😅
Egyptian MiG 19 jets were little more than gunnery targets fir the IAF !
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Well, in this war it wasn't much different for other types.
A biased account, I did not find a single video mentioning the victories of the Egyptian Air Force
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
You weren't looking very well. But if you are one of those viewers who just wants to see how awesome his compatriots are, then please watch something else!
The flags on the Mig are Syrian flags not Egyptians
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Wrong!
What game is this? I want it!
@showtime112
6 ай бұрын
It's DCS World. The basic core is free and you can download it here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/
@davidmoore1477
6 ай бұрын
Thankyou!
And then the Egyptians retreated to a civilian airport? 😂😂😂😂 Well done Jews!
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@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Hvala na komentaru!
The flags on the Mig are Syrian flags not Egyptians
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
That's not a flag, it's a fin flash. And it was correct for the 1985-1972 period.
The flags on the Mig are Syrian flags not Egyptians
@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Dude, you are wrong and one single comment would be more than enough. Let alone three.
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@showtime112
10 ай бұрын
Hvala i za ovo!