If it's preachy, if it's ideologically driven, if it only exists because when they were pitching this they went "First of all, diversity. Secondly, strong female characters. blah blah". If the story doesn't matter, if the character doesn't matter, but the message does. That's what I consider woke and in those cases I hate it to my core. I hate it when people shove their stupid nonsense down my throat. If the story's good and/or if the characters are good and/or if the gameplay is good, then I'll either not mind or tolerate it.

"Welcome to EFAP where we pretend it's the 90's" - MauLer 2022 beyond based

woke to me is when the message takes priority... and since redefining shit has been everyone's bread and butter lately idc about anyone else's definition... when in Rome set fire

In Norse Mythology- Thor was akin to the greek heros Hercules or Achilles. Strong, arrogant, and an alcoholic with a temper. Thor's shortcomings lead to his trials and tribulations during which he learns of the inevitability of Ragnarok and attempts to atone for the grief he caused others as a youth.

So I want to push back against what Mauler said about doing action scenes first and writing the story around that. They acknowledged in on of the EFAPs how MI: Fallout was written with the action scenes first, and then the movie around those, and then say that works fine. Even though I'm pretty sure there was no reason to sky dive into the club. Aside from that, I think it is reasonable, especially for a movie where the action is the draw, to come up with action scenes and write the story around that as long as the story isn't nonsense.

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

"as long as the story isn't nonsense." That's what happened with Transformers 2. Because of the writers strike, all they had planned when starting to work on that film was the action scenes. The result was a movie that is basically: action scene - exposition - action scene - unfunny Michael Bay humor - exposition - action scene

@jacktease27

Жыл бұрын

Well there's the saying that theres always 1 exception to the role

@coreys.2456

Жыл бұрын

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the skydive in MI: Fallout was a stealthier way into the club than just walking through the front door. If you or I watch it again and find out that isn't the reason, then forget what I said.

@r.henryjr.1533

Жыл бұрын

I think there's a linguistic confusion going on here. What MauLer is saying is that the message (or anything for that matter) shouldn't take precedent over the story (as in, within the story) not anything about the methodology used to create the story. Tons of writers have written stories with a political message in mind without affecting the quality of the writing. MI did build the story around the setpieces, however the story itself doesn't bend in service of those setpieces (I assume, I haven't seen it yet). The skydiving into the club scene should be perfectly fine as long is it doesn't contradict anything set-up prior.

@soulsearcher9620

Жыл бұрын

There are instances where it can work. Die hard 1 had that premise, they knew the big action stuff, roof explosion etc, they just had to get there and wrote it really quickly. It isn't a hard rule, but is dependant on writer ability and execution by the director

"It isn't woke" "Yes it is." "No it isn't!" "Oh, I'm sorry. Is this the 5 minute arguement, or the full half hour?" "Oh. Just the 5 minute." "Ah, yes...Anyway, it most certainly is woke." "No it isn't!" "Yes it is." "No it isn't!"

@masonmanic

Жыл бұрын

Soo... Is it rabbit season?

@theunholysmirk

Жыл бұрын

I've paid! No you haven't.

@weirdowithacello3481

Жыл бұрын

@@theunholysmirk "I could just be arguing with you in my spare time."

@Mj0Skyver

Жыл бұрын

"Oh, I've had enough of this!"

@weirdowithacello3481

Жыл бұрын

@@Mj0Skyver "No you haven't."

I don’t know where these people come from. EFAP and the drinker have been perfectly clear that they only care about the quality of the story, and these two GOW games have had really great stories, every character is well-written, and makes choices that make sense for their established character, and everything within a vacuum also makes sense within the larger GOW mythos and series.

@peanutgallery4

Жыл бұрын

The Fandom Menace

@chapman2001

Жыл бұрын

Nerdrotic has the same stance

@SomeFellow2000

Жыл бұрын

I think some people are just on too high of an alert because of the past decade, so many of our favourite series or franchises have been ruined or “subverted” that some people jump at anything that could be a “red flag”. I’m of the opinion that story/characters are the most important things in creative media like Film/TV. Gameplay is number 1 in video games to me. GoW 2018 and Ragnorok are great, so many good things that far outweigh the bad, generally speaking.

@MetalMilitia83

Жыл бұрын

Woke often causes things to be bad so they often go hand in hand

@whisped8145

Жыл бұрын

I don't know what you have played, but it wasn't the same games that I know. These stories are bad, the characters are annoying with few exceptions. In Ragnarök it gets really bad. They broke the entire cosmology and rewrote the entire northern mythology to make this stupid preachy californian soap opera sitcom plot "work". Everyone's instant reaction is "but the greek games weren't super accurate!": Those were true in their core and only turned everything up to eleven and after the Box was opened things went justifiably bonkers. The Norse games are random things that got norse names slapped on to them that the VAs can't even pronounce. This was made by the same people that constantly complain about "cultural appropriation", and they lie about Kratos's past as well, making him say things that make no sense, are simply false. For example, he already was worshipped by the Spartans after he took over the seat of Ares. Or this nonsense that for him everything was just about revenge, when it was always justice. Even Asura in Asura's Wrath, who is more of a rage-monster than Kratos, understood that, and Kratos is a way more intelligent guy than Asura. But hey, let's marry a godlike woman who only uses him to start her very own revenge plot to use Kratos to kill a pantheon - wait a minute, isn't that parallel to what Athena used Kratos for, and the very types of manipulations that he hates the gods for? He should have been furious at this woman once he found out and just leave these lands altogether.

"The word woke is kinda like wet bread... It's everywhere and it falls apart as soon as you touch it." -Bilbo Baggins

The difference between Kratos and Angrboda is that Kratos in universe is an outside element to the Norse background and treated as such (the same but to a lesser extent is true of Mimir). Angrboda on the otherhand is inserted into the story with only a handwave away to explain why she is as she is in an ill-fitting setting and they just want us to pretend that it's fine.

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

But she's arguably not ill fitting tho. Especially by being one of the giants. A race that looks drastically different from one another.

@parasytesymbiote4633

Жыл бұрын

@@cameronroy2129 @FastenedCarrot This is cope

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

@@parasytesymbiote4633 cool, feel free to explain or just cope

@parasytesymbiote4633

Жыл бұрын

@@cameronroy2129 easy, quotas, checklists, the setting, and most importantly we lost the cool stuff that is blue people.

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

@@parasytesymbiote4633 none of that contradicted what I said. Also Brock was blue because of mercury poisoning I'm pretty sure

I really like using the word "woke". It is the past tense form of "wake", which is commonly used to describe one of two things: -Someone finishing their sleep. -Someone realizing just how ignorant they were to something. I use the word almost every day to great effect.

@gsgunawan80

Жыл бұрын

How about "hyper-awareness?"

One of the craziest things I’ve seen from the wokeness discourse was when Mauler got to Angrboda and then chat had a tism-stroke BECAUSE OF HER SKIN COLOR. It got even worse when some of them tried to justify her skin color by citing the lore. “She’s a shapeshifter in in the lore so it makes sense why she’s black.” LIKE WHAT???😭

@whisped8145

Жыл бұрын

"Cultural Appropriation is okay when we do it. You have to like the black inserts into your mythology and history, or you're a bad racist. You must love the black race, or you're a racist" They also turned Gryle, the icelandic witch that eats unruly children, into a drug addicted animal abuser, because that's somehow less offensive to put on a blackwashed character that we somehow need to claim is now angrboda's granny. Noone in this discussion knows anything about the actual Norse Mythology.

@Adorni

Жыл бұрын

Mauler’s point about Kratos both does and doesn’t have merit- he’s right that a Greek being present in Norse Mythology and being Loki’s dad is a larger issue, but he’s wrong that virtue of Kratos being there is a bigger issue- Kratos is said to have crossed through some kind of dimensional threshold to reach Midgard, so he is not actually _from_ the area. Angrboda, however, is. Alongside some of the other people who weren’t native to the land, which is a bit jarring. And someone might say “well there you go, you _just_ said Kratos came here, so clearly Angrboda’s family came from Africa or something.” Except it’s never even suggested that that’s what happened. It’s not very good world building, and it comes across as though Santa Monica were doing diversity casting, and Angrboda was the one they felt they could “get away with.” And given that Kratos - a literal white man from Greece - is mo-capped by a stuntman from California and voiced by a black dude, why, exactly, does Angrboda _need_ to look black? Because they needed to tick a box? Because black people are so easy to please that they see one person with dark skin and dreadlocks and start whooping and hollering? Does this mean that, if Kratos goes to Africa, we’ll see some white gods mixed in with the black ones? How about Mexicans? Or Polynesians? Or does it only matter when it’s *one* group’s mythological playground? Because I don’t think that’s a very good idea.

@choroyexplota

Жыл бұрын

The skin color is not the problem, its never as superficial as that. No one cares that the dwarf is blue. The problem with her is that she is a black-south east asian mutt with wide nose, large lips and turd hair.

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

@@Adorni hey um ... Black people cam exist in that realm easily. It's not a big deal. Blue people exist, these realms are basically their own world its believeable enough and doesn't create any actual issues. The only issue to make here is if you don't think black people can fit into a mythology with creative liberties already being applied to have the narrative of the story happen in the first place. All it comes down to is whether you personally believe it or not it's not even a big deal in thr slightest. They managed to recontextualize her being the mother of the worldserpent just fine.

@Adorni

Жыл бұрын

@@cameronroy2129 Oh, okay. They can exist “easily.” So tell me, then: If I see a Japanese person hanging out in a mythology story involving the Inca, with no actual explanation other than “just don’t think about it, Asians can exist in that realm easily,” am I just supposed to accept that? Does the concept of “world building” mean nothing at all, anymore? Or is only a non-issue when **only one** cultural mythology has other ethnicities just hanging around sticking out like sore thumbs because “well, there’s just not enough diversity, here.” I do not personally care of a black person voices a Norse character. It’s a video game, you can cast whoever you want. What I _do_ care about is whether or not something that claims to take place in Norse mythology can actually afford to have all its on-screen **characters** from Norse mythology actually be Norse, rather than dipped in hot chocolate and throwing around hair snakes. Angrboda is not Norse any more than Atreus is Loki. She is a modern black kid, who happens to be named after a Norse giantess for some reason I cannot comprehend.

Woke to me just means "The Message" is forced into a product that talks down to it's very audience and very much destroys a plot when the writers focus on a agenda instead of quality storytelling.

Love this! This is exactly how I feel about this stuff. Mauler has such a way with words and manages to communicate exactly how most of us feel about labeling something without thinking about it. For those of you on the left, right, or whatthefuckever, The quality of a story cannot be summed up by simple words or phrases that only point out the most superficial of elements within it. It's summed up by every spoken and written word, every action the characters take, every event that takes place, and every worldbuilding seed planted. I find it fascinating and frustrating that many people on both sides of the political spectrum who clearly worked hard to get to where they are and/or are very savvy in their field can't seem to fully wrap their heads around judging a narrative based on plain old logic and reason. You know, something that pretty much everyone was taught to do since they were goddamn kids. I guess they're just so blinded by their ideology that they can't see past it when analyzing literally anything that has nothing to do with politics.

@DJ10_

Жыл бұрын

I think the issue is that we _haven't_ been taught to do this as kids, people have to really think about this sort of stuff which most just don't because it's not seen as important.

@coreys.2456

Жыл бұрын

@@DJ10_ That could be it, yeah. Many parents and guardians never fully teach their children how to navigate the world. It’s unfortunate, but not an excuse for the inability to properly rationalize things like this. Definitely could be a good reason for why, though.

Wokeness exists, but there are people who will see it everywhere. It's the exact same thing as when SJW's see sexism and racism everywhere. Even the FNT crowd can kinda get stuck in this sometimes.

@johnnyboy2537

Жыл бұрын

Problem is the wokeness is pretty much everywhere in entertainment up to the executive levels of these companies. It's almost completely unavoidable in anything out of Hollywood or the west coast companies because a lot of them have literal quotas for this crap. So they're right the overwhelming majority of the time they call it out. At this point it's the exception in Western entertainment to not be woke because not only is run by the woke socialist crowd, but they're absolutely insistent on making sure it's the only things that gets seen. Which is why manga and other foreign entertainment is getting popular while Western sales plummet. Saying entertainment doesn't have a wokeness problem is like saying the Catholic Church and teaching professions don't have a kiddie diddler problem. They definitely do and the solution is simple enough to both of them.

@thepebbleinstitute7702

Жыл бұрын

It isn’t racism, and it comes from a far, *far*, better place, but people have gotten so jumpy with the woke that it sort of creates a simulation of it. On one hand, the decimation of positive masculinity is absolutely caused by “the woke”, but on the other, you have stuff like Ben Shapiro’s Broke-Back Zombie Farm, which is just... silly.

@uneterostardust8233

Жыл бұрын

When your Woke alarm triggers because you see a minority *Exist* in a movie, you have to update your Wokeometer because it seriously broke. I say this for myself tbh, I reached that point, went "Oh shit", and had to think real hard about Wtf it even means to call something " Woke". Truth is, A few too many people use woke, not as a measure of terrible lefty politics and bad wtitting, but as a substitute to the word "Degenerate", if you take a movie that gets called woke and its not even out yet, or its just a mid/ok movie, and It happens to have a minority in it, it makes much more sense *Why* they are using the word. The old " dont say the quiet part out loud", I must say I despise these actual, proper biggots who make the word "Woke" basically require a justification for its use, its useful to reffer to general bad and hypocritical lefties, hard to use it when racists really like to use it as well...

@HerohammerStudios

Жыл бұрын

Extremism is bad on any side

@Abysalss

Жыл бұрын

They see it everywhere because the people who push for it have so throughly infiltrated every level of media creation and actively cut down any opposition to putting the message before the story

I don't think the problem is the word. The problem is people's usage of the word. The word 'woke' has a specific definition. It is when the politics of the writers or directors overtake the story and mess it up/ruin it. Those politics are usually on the left side of the spectrum; mainly, feminist, racial, or LGBT. It is when they insert these things into the plot, and it takes over the plot when it shouldn't. Though there are instances where these things are in certain stories and it is perfectly natural. But the problem is when it is forced. The problem is that now people are oversensitive to these things now. Mainly because this woke stuff has ruined a lot of movie franchises, books, comics, videogames, etc. Now, people are criticizing these things in stories where they are not ruining the plot, cause they have been burned before and are now oversensitive to them.

@diazinamon2431

Жыл бұрын

I can understand being oversensitive, but it's important to remain fair and unbiased when criticising media. That's the whole point of objective criticism. Even if most media has had a lot common tropes that people would count as 'woke', you should remain open-minded and give all stories a fair chance. It's not enough to say: "Other media did bad things and so you can't blame me for jumping to conclusions with GoW." You have to remove your biases and look at the story for what it is.

@warrenharshaw7677

Жыл бұрын

@diazinamon2431 I completely agree. I don't think that Ragnarok is woke. It has elements of it in the story, but they don't overtake the story. They are in the background.

@warrenharshaw7677

Жыл бұрын

@diazinamon2431 I do not like when people overuse the word. It basically ruins it and makes it worthless. We need to call things what they are and also recognize when things are not woke. But I have been seeing a trend lately where people are becoming blind to woke stories and are not seeing the stories being overtaken by it. So I guess it goes both ways.

@aquapendulum

Жыл бұрын

Oh so it's just a tiny subset of "bad writing" then? You might be missing the forest for the tree.

I've gotten to the point where if I think something is 'woke' I try and push that thought out of mind and focus on what's happening instead.

@HerohammerStudios

Жыл бұрын

Good luck. The writing of most things will just give you an aneurism

@torchedheavily

Жыл бұрын

@@HerohammerStudios I don't really watch stuff made by Disney ;)

Normalize using the term "Cultural Marxism."

@justcallmedk9453

Жыл бұрын

Normalize actually making arguments instead of relying on shortcut terms

@rudolfambrozenvtuber

Жыл бұрын

I would strongly suggest against that

@egomania2792

Жыл бұрын

@@justcallmedk9453 This. Stop with all the buzzwords, make arguments.

@Xasew

Жыл бұрын

@@justcallmedk9453 An argument about what? You do realize we need to name things to talk about them? OP merely suggested to use one term instead another.

@justcallmedk9453

Жыл бұрын

@@Xasew It's actually backwards. The concept of the object we talk about comes before whatever name we assign to it. Also, having the name of something before even it's concept is how terms (like Mary Sue) end up being misused to death. Just "normalizing" Cultural Marxism like that will just make it the next buzzword that needs replacing

*I'm too gay to be woke.*

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

Name checks out

@Gandalf-The-Gay

Жыл бұрын

@@cameronroy2129 You're damn right.

@The_Sleepiest_Socialist

11 ай бұрын

And too Gandalf to be gray.

Ive only watched people play God of War a tiny bit so Im not up on all of it, but the only part that really bugged me was Odin. I couldnt take him seriously just because all I could see and hear was Toby Ziegler from West Wing lol

idk why but I thought for some reason this was about a show called woke that I used to see trailers for.

I feel like people are so jaded by the subversive and corrosive way stories and media have been made as of late they end up having an almost allergic reaction to such things. Like if it even hints at something "woke" then they immediately jump to the worst case scenario... I don't like the race change, it seems arbitrary for 'THE MESSAGE' type marketing, however, if the actor gives a good performance then it can be overlooked in the pursuit of quality. I haven't played ant GOW games so... idk, but it definitely seems like people are jumping at shadows.

@whisped8145

Жыл бұрын

Apologia without any knowledge of the product. The writing is excrement. No acting can save that. This is not jumping at shadows. This game literally complains about "Odin's financial imperialism", by a female dwarf that Mimir sees as his equal if not smarter than himself. Right... totally not "The Message" It's Socialist propaganda. It doesn't always need to be 100% of it. It can be done by trickles here, trickles there, so they can get away with it just enough. This game is an insult to anyone's intellect. They copied every bad movie idea from the last ten years, especially the MCU, just like Bayonetta 3, and ducttaped them together. These are uncreative hacks. They even invented the cosmic giant that they then actually called "Ragnarök". No, that's not a thing. And once he arrived they decided to not want to use him afterwards... they talked Surtr into ending his life for this, and the next minute they don't want him anymore for the siege because of "muh collateral". Are you joking!? Yes, this is the TLJ of God of War. Also, Freya and Frigga are not the same Goddess. That's a very recent misinterpretation, but these hacks needed their story to work somehow. Hence why they had to completely rewrite Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel. Hel is just a title now, instead of the daughter of Loki and Angrboda... great... but hey "it's well acted, right? riiiight? so it's okay!" Thor has a hangover and throws up from a tiny bit of mead... the guy who took three gulps from the ocean, because he was tricked into it, which is what brought us the tides. Barfs from a bit of mead... right. I say it's about time to flay some native american and black african myths in the most insulting ways. Or, to do something actually useful: Make a game that really mocks all the Socialists of history into oblivion while showcasing how their deranged, insane policies bring nothing but misery and death. That might actually be good for once.

@rudolfambrozenvtuber

Жыл бұрын

@@whisped8145 My man is not okay

@eidolon1426

Жыл бұрын

@@whisped8145 Even if we *pretend* that your insane conspiracy about the "hidden messaging" in this game has any merit or evidence to support it, and we rightfully reject your hilariously embarrassing adaptation arguments... You CAN still have a well-written story made by crazy political fanatics who "shit all over the source material." If Hitler wrote The Lord of the Rings, I'd be praising him as a writer all day long. You know that there are *literally* professional torturers out there in the world right now, right? Like, unironically there are people who are SO skilled at the *craft* of inflicting pain and torment to get information out of others, that they are paid more money than you and I will ever see in our lifetimes... You understand that no matter *HOW* terrible and disgusting of a person they categorically are for the things they've done, they are *STILL,* by definition, masters at their craft, the most skilled in the world, and it is explicitly impossible to argue that their work has NO merit to it whatsoever, regardless of how removed it is from my or your personal moral condemnation. Torture may be bad, but being skilled at the art of torture, means that you are *good* at torture. So unless you can go scene-by-scene and rip the game apart with *evidence* to support your claims of *internal* -inconsistencies... well then you are simply *not good* at *criticism.* P.S. And seriously, don't pretend like citing the mythology means anything to anyone. You're desperate if you even *think* about trying that. Arguments from adaptation are worthless. The second you try it you forsake 90% of the movies/games you've ever *heard* of. Most (if not ALL) STORIES are adaptations of other stories, so using an adaptation fallacy would only hurt your position, not strengthen it. Don't appeal to something that will only make people disagree with you more, dumbass.

@alexcomer63

3 ай бұрын

@@whisped8145 I fully agree, do you think EFAP are getting sorta leftie nowadays? I don't understand how people can't see that if it has socialist talking points, overt feminist messaging, and race swapping (especially when it's a whole real world group of people's religion but also on a much less significant scale like a culturally significant IP) it makes it automatically terrible from it's inception. It's the intention behind these things, the point behind it all is to destabilize society, so you should absolutely destroy these things on every level, a little bit is unacceptable, even if it's written well (which I seriously doubt this game is).

To be fair 100% of Drinker's videos are 10 minute videos of'' This new thing came/is coming out. It's such woke bs. (Clip of woman from 6th element laughing). I told Tatiana that. So anyway, go away now''. Of course that's his audience. I know his streams are more in depth, but that's what 90% of his audience is there for.

@mario7833

Жыл бұрын

Really? Drinker comes across as fairly balanced to me when compared to other 'counter-culture' media critics like Geeks & Gamers or Nerdrotic, who fit more into your given template imo. He does give credit where credit is due even when the subject is a part of 'the message' and as far as I've seen only calls out political messaging when it is there (and usually explicitly stated by the creators of the media being discussed themselves). Mauler and him seem the most apolitical of the bunch to me, though Mauler takes the cake in that front.

@tindekappa9047

Жыл бұрын

@@mario7833 I know he's right most of the time. But still, that's all he ever does. It doesn't matter that he's fair, when that's all he does of course he'd attract the raving lunatics who call everything woke. They can't tell the difference.

@mario7833

Жыл бұрын

@@tindekappa9047 Yeah, there's bound to be some shared audience amongst the 'anti-woke' KZreadrs but that's just the nature of crowds. Collective intelligence is typically less than the sum of it's parts. One thing I can give to Drinker is that he *is* doing something other than criticizing media. He's written before and is still writing now.

@fastenedcarrot9570

Жыл бұрын

That's a really poor representation of his content.

@trajanthegreat2928

Жыл бұрын

That's because companies like to put their wokest elements in their trailers and promos because it's a giant virtue signal. Check out the cast and writers interviews for the Rings of Power or any number of films/tv shows like Batwoman or the Eternals. All they talk about is how diverse the cast is and how important representation is. When that's their attitude, you can tell that storytelling has taken a backseat to their ideology. That generally leads to poor character writing and lack of consistency.

I mean, it could just be because she’s black…and there’s absolutely no reason you need to race swap characters. Is that bad for some reason? I rolled my eyes when I saw the girl because I knew she was not authentic to Norse mythology and there’s only one conceivable reason for that; preemptively quelling outcry from the diversity crowd. She’s fine, it’s not a big deal…but it’s eyeroll worthy for sure. I don’t hate it, but I don’t like their perceived reasoning for doing it at all. If I was having a chat with the creators and they said they cast her because she was the creators niece (for example) my objection would vanish. Nepotism isn’t a big deal if you get a good end product but pandering is gross, especially when you’re preemptively capitulating to crazy people that care more for diversity than authenticity.

@EmptyAltruism

Жыл бұрын

Also, to clarify, I don’t think GoWR is woke. I only object to pandering to diversity crowds by sacrificing authenticity. That is all. All in all, seems fine. But I don’t see a need for the change so why change the mythology? I’d be annoyed as hell if they announced Blade was being played by vanilla ice. But I wouldn’t say it’s woke. I’d say it’s an unnecessary ethnicity swap and a departure from the character because part of a character is how they look. It’s pretty simple stuff really.

@fastenedcarrot9570

Жыл бұрын

They can cast anyone in any role and animate the character to look however they want though. So them making her black in a Norse setting is inexcusable.

I’ve really grown to despise that word and physically cringe whenever I hear or read someone using it unironically. It is just a word you use to describe a thing you don’t like when you’re on the right - that’s it. And the word has such a vague, wide interpretation that black characters existing and openly communistic themes are both used as evidence that a piece of media is ‘woke,’ which is self-evidently absurd as I don’t even know what the person means. If you dislike the presence of minority characters, say that. If you dislike left wing themes, say that. But don’t rely upon the word “woke” to do the heavy lifting for you and act as if you’ve described the problem when you haven’t. All you’ve done is invoked the correct buzzword so everyone who agrees with you knows to clap like seals while adding nothing of value. There may have been a time where you could attribute some value to the word and use it correctly but that time has long since passed. I don’t use it anymore and I hope everyone else soon follows suit.

@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09

Жыл бұрын

What do you think of the term M-SHE-U?

@Longshanks1690

Жыл бұрын

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Woke makes me cringe, m-she-u makes me want to vomit I get such bad second hand embarrassment from anyone who says it.

@RedCornix

Жыл бұрын

What a bunch of woke garbage lol. It is an intentionally vague term and comment sections anywhere are going to be filled with people voicing their problema with varying degrees of clarity. The left uses the word "racist" or "bigoted" the same way. Welcome to the internet. Successfully attract enough people to your position and you'll get the same types.

@denkerbosu3551

Жыл бұрын

@@Longshanks1690 They unironically tried to coin the term recently, though, how do you feel about it? YOu can cringe at it as much as you want, but the fact is, the concepts and ideas behind the term are very much real.

@robertlewis6915

Жыл бұрын

I don't use it because I've heard people use to indicate the thing described is left wing... and I've heard it to indicate the thing is right wing.

It's pretty much a buzzword, sort of a rightoid equivalent of "alt right" or "nazi" (maybe less intense). Sort of the natural evolution of "SJW"

@Longshanks1690

Жыл бұрын

Precisely, it’s just the word you use to show likeminded people you understand what the problem is even if you can’t actually explain what’s wrong with it. You just shout “WOKE GARBAGE” and that’s depressingly enough for some people.

@janehrahan5116

Жыл бұрын

The difference is that unlike the altright/nazis, wokists actually exist in significant numbers/positions of authority and are destroying society at this very moment... but yes calling everything woke is counterproductive, what good is a label if you cannot apply it properly?

@7.62x38mmR

Жыл бұрын

@@Longshanks1690 On top of that, 80% of the time it conceals the real issues and just dumbs down the actual problems with certain pieces of media

@wojak-sensei6424

Жыл бұрын

@@Longshanks1690 Buzzwords don't equate to a point, they only parrot a much, much simplified version of one. I guess every corner of the internet just has their own version of the football hooligan: always ready to scrap with other strangers.

@jBread28

Жыл бұрын

It's the 'SJW/snowflake' of the 2020s

Now it’s happing again with the Starfield situation.

I’m simply done putting up with the little elements of wokeness which is to me when they insert something to show support to progressive politics/ their special little pet groups, when something is transparently done for “representation” or “diversity” and I can acknowledge that GOW was a well made game, but I’m simply done letting the little things like shoehorning someone of a totally foreign ethnicity to the setting. It doesn’t ruin the game but I’m simply done giving leeway as I’ve seen that not objecting to the little things only encourages them to go further in the future. I kinda miss wolf just because wolf was the person amongst the efap hosts who seemed to most understand the issues forcing diversity caused. I wonder if mauler had changed his opinion on it slightly for the sake of optics or just over time changed because watching old efap and he seemed to agree that forcing diversity had a tangible link to lowering quality in stories

0:38 the fact HIS audience cares SO MUCH about it should tell you **everything** you need to know about his content.

When the president used it, it pretty much cemented the usage of the word in the mainstream audience. Honestly it's a good thing. But the side effect is a bunch of boomers misusing it all the time.

THEY RESPONDED TO A COMMENT BY OH SNAKES? YES!

it's gotten to the point where if i see a review and the person can't critique it with out screaming woke then it is useless to me as a review.

The woke debate is symptomatic of just how unfocused the entertainment industry has become. We're so uninterested in finer details and mechanics when it comes to storytelling and game design that we'd rather just debate about the creator's political ideology. I just want the sociopolitical climate to take a back seat and let me judge things in a more productive way.

I hang around some pretty woke-hypersensitive parts of the internet and I honestly don't see how GoW could be construed as "woke."

@cameronroy2129

Жыл бұрын

It's just because they made have black character in places where they could have taken liberties. They only chose the characters where there is enough excuse or reason they could be. Giants being a species that can literally be made out of stone and shapeshifters. The argument just comes down to some people arguing black people can't exist in Norse mythology and thats an argument that has enough holes in it that the woke argument is dead in the water.

Wait till they go to the Hindu pantheon......and I bet you they won't interpret one god in there having white skin, not one.

It's just that she was black.

Ragnarok is goyslop

Angrboda, her grandmother and the other black are enough to say it is a woke game. It smells like Californian Amerimutt from a mile away

@justcallmedk9453

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing Shawshank Redemption, I am Legend and 2003's Daredevil were all woke as well...

@fastenedcarrot9570

Жыл бұрын

@@justcallmedk9453 Those all have setting in which black people are a feasible element of the world. Morgan Freeman was cast in Shawshank because he's Morgan Freeman and not because he's black too.

@choroyexplota

Жыл бұрын

@@justcallmedk9453 good job citing counter examples of more than a decade ago where this shit didnt matter at all

@justcallmedk9453

Жыл бұрын

@@fastenedcarrot9570 So race-swapping characters which physical appearance was never completely disclose, and the closest we have for one of them is that she wasn't even white in the first place, is somehow worst than race-swapping characters with very defined and described skin color or heritages as long as it is in modern day? Gucci. I bet you are very much ok with the race swappings in marvel and dc if you are consistent with that premise

@justcallmedk9453

Жыл бұрын

​ @Niloda ​ I like how you and the other loser gave me 2 completely different reasons as to why 3 characters that were never described as white, from midgard or even human in the myth being depicted as black is some big crime against humanity. It's almost like you two just got to the conclusion that it's bad and now are trying to retroactively macgyver reasons why. But you're right. A decade ago people wouldn't just go full spastic for seeing black people in media and actually analyse the bunch of actual reasons in which I am Legend and Daredevil failed. Today braindeads like you two would just blame Will Smith and Michael Clarke Duncan

Thor might be a hero to the later 2 humans that survive ragnarok, if i remember my like week or two of mythology covering this... that being said everything that was covered before the end of the world was glossed over in broad strokes. he did have goats drag his; in GoW fatass around and then ate them for their efforts

@Ramsey276one

Жыл бұрын

GoW Thor did WHAT!?!

@ShishouDzukiZaManako

Жыл бұрын

@@Ramsey276one dont worry they respawn so he can eat them everyday. and nah in mythology ones; idk about GoW goats, im guessing they are no different. he definitely has the belly to suggest he does XD

@rudolfambrozenvtuber

Жыл бұрын

Most adaptations treat the 2 humans as very obvious later Christianization

GoWR has bad gameplay and bad story. Pretty visuals though, I guess.

@choroyexplota

Жыл бұрын

like goyslop

Woke is overly politically left wing. Imagine cringy Christian films but for left wing politics. Good stories like Arcane can be woke by pointing out just how many powerful women to powerful men there are. Really good art can still push a political narrative. With good art though, it usually comes down to seeing the diversity checklist in your head as you watch. You can't unsee ut unfortunately.

@fastenedcarrot9570

Жыл бұрын

Normalise admitting something is propaganda but that it's well writen propaganda.

Even worse the bulk of the Norse Mythology as we know it was what was written down by a Catholic priest later on.

@Ceyx000

Жыл бұрын

No it wasnt. An anonymous author recorded Norse myths in poetic form in the Poetic Edda (1250), and an Icelandic poet named Snorri Sturluson recorded prose versions of them in Prose Edda (1220).