"Sometimes, one must betray their government to save their country." - John le Carré

@joachim5080

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that this includes being a kreml propaganda mascot … he’s rather the same type of fool as lee oswald

@carolynfogel6546

11 ай бұрын

Now that is saying something.

@faustinae3927

9 ай бұрын

Betrayal or exposing 😉🫣🇺🇸

@tatianalyulkin410

5 ай бұрын

Your bloody arrogance truly never ceases to amaze me. Considering you know bubkes about Russia, Ukraine or even the CIA. If I ask you who Jonna Mendez or Jason Hanson are would you be able to answer me? Why do you assume that we NEED the Russian propaganda to come to our conclusions? Why such disdain for the intellectual prowess of the people you don't even know? I don't " steal " ideas from my friends or my enemies- they " steal " the ideas from me. What the hell were you doing during your 4 or 6 years in college if you don't see that say yours truly and Oleg Tsarev can come to the same conclusions quite independently of each other? " Studying " basketweaving and your proper personal pronouns? Your " argument " that everyone who dares to disagree with the Blake Association ( I almost wrote " assassination "- but I can be forgiven, I am a Tsareva after all ) is shilling for or somehow connected with Putin and the FSB is not even " Junior High ". It's kindergarten.

Smart lady whose voice is like an icepick

When did it become a crime to tell the Truth? Specifically when it’s telling the Truth on crimes being committed?

@tatianalyulkin410

5 ай бұрын

From the moment America got into bed with the Blake Association.

This woman has really perfected the art of talking without saying anything.

@davidcorner4507

5 жыл бұрын

Yeez, you could not have said it better. Does she or anybody in the audience can actually extract anything of value from her endless stream of jibberish?

@filianablanxart8305

4 жыл бұрын

( As semantic exactitude , Capital T Treason is defined narrowly in the Constitution . Lower t treason usually involves various statutes regarding handling and disclosure of Classified Information , and espionage outside of the Constitutional definition .) But looking beyond Snowden specifically , she does present several different perspectives . Taking them in total would be way over the top , but broken down , some of them are useful generally . The wholesale shift from exclusively Career Employees to large numbers of Contractors is a big thing . Less institutional loyalty to specific agencies and missions. More frequent turnover , which is a factor in both more required vetting , with finite resources for background investigations . As noted , it's not sustainable to spend 1-2yrs doing investigations on contractors filling a 2-3yr contract . And Millennials are different than previous generations . If nothing else , they have been brainwashed their entire education that rather than the US being a positive force in the world , we are at best routinely venal and self- interested , and at worst actively evil .

@99gypsies

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidcorner4507 I think her main point was: "If you don't want your employees to tell the world that you are illegally spying on everyone, you should do a better a job of illegally spying on them before you hire them."

@bravofighter

4 жыл бұрын

99gypsies Yeah, that’s the long and short of it. I have family in that same line of work, and the mental gymnastics they go through to justify his would-be prosecution...they could try him in absentia, but haven’t because they can’t make it stick because he didn’t actually commit treason...are laughable. I come back to the fact that he had discovered that the federal government was illegally spying on the American people and then sifting that data for intelligence that might be useful. Well, clearly, the federal government has ZERO control over the CIA and in point of fact, it’s quite the opposite. I submit to everyone that it’s highly likely that this program is building dossiers on everyone that would come against it. Congressmen? Senators? Hacktivists? Journalists trying to expose it?

@baobo67

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. If you close your eyes you could be in a supermarket que.

37:01 - She’s the one that’s confused on what can and what can’t be classified. Waterboarding is a criminal act, the law says criminal acts like that cannot be classified.

Thank you!

Treason is NOT Snowden’s “crime” now, “is it, REALLY?”

Do you think the ‘Feds’ will forward Snowden’s $1200 stimulus check to his Russian address? 🤣🤣🤣

@Davidka1978Xoroshiy

3 жыл бұрын

Omg. True.

@michaelfuchs1467

3 жыл бұрын

I would volunteer to bring it to him in person... Plus a well aimed 'bonus'.

90% of this video has nothing to due with Snowden. The title is misleading. Listening to the squeaky voice of the presenter for an hour rambling about nothing and hoping to hear about Snowden was extremely painful. Don't waste your time on this video.

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

3 жыл бұрын

to do

@tonygibbs9339

Жыл бұрын

but within a series about "Whistleblowers, Leakers or Traitors?" then I think that it is in context.

The first questioner asked what Snowdens clearance was and the speaker didn't know. I do. It's a Top Secret - Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance. It's one of the two known "above top secret" clearances. The other being ECI which we only learned about a few year ago and know nothing about. Just an acronym and it's meaning. More here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information

@elizabethdiane3679

3 жыл бұрын

They should be thanking him!

We're not progressing to the point of *no* anonymity online, but rather a point where anonymity becomes the express burden of end-users.

Very humbling, very cool!

very good lecturing interaction talk programme . All you great gentle🐷🐂🐃🐐🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🌋🏔🌏🌎🏕🏝🌍

Around 22:00, she comments “at the risk of beating this horse to death”. Really? And then she proceeds to bring out the jack-hammer. This talk sucks!

@stevelenores5637

3 жыл бұрын

CIA lady is covering the agency's tail for something they shouldn't have done in the first place.

I believe he worked for the same group that was never investigated. I was a very low level helper in the USAF in Turkey in the late 1950s.

Great presentation.

She did a good job of reading Wikipedia entries in the sing-song tone of Peter’s coworker Nina from Office Space. "Corporate accounts payable, Nina speaking. Just a moment." "Corporate accounts payable, Nina speaking. Just a moment." "Corporate accounts payable, Nina speaking. Just a moment."

@robbienorton9522

Жыл бұрын

oh wow that's why her voice was so annoying! Good catch!

@towedarray7217

Жыл бұрын

@@robbienorton9522 Hang on a sec... is it the same Woman? kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJd-uNmncbq6oJM.html

Too bad she didn't explain why hong Kong. Such a disappointing presentation!!!!

An important presentation, but VERY difficult to listen to in part due to how the speaker's voice is recorded (clipping and echo artifacts that accentuate the speaker's frequent high-frequency speech peaks). I did get though the whole thing, but boy was it painful. It is worthwhile to take some time to get the recording right so as to accommodate and mitigate the speaker's speech patterns in the best possible way. Using a 32-bit audio recorder and a condenser microphone with pop-shield would be a good first steps. Just my 2 cents. Thank you.

@toma5153

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. One of the technical sins of many KZread channels - crappy audio. I do notice the irony of supposedly technically adept channels or organizations sometimes having the worst audio and visuals for a speaker giving a presentation. Usually, folks are over obsessed about the camera's video resolution, etc. and audio quality is a distant second.

Disappointed in this talk and did not get a lot out of it unfortunately. Not up to the usual high standard of the ISM productions.Cheers.

Traitor? For telling on the government’s CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE? Sentenced? Why would he be sentenced? For telling the TRUTH? Why is he being discredited? Could it be to draw the spotlight AWAY from your government’s CRIMES AGAINST THEIR PEOPLE?

@anng.4542

Жыл бұрын

Maybe because he just happened to "tell it to" an enemy nation. In other words, acting out a leftist fantasy in a sketchy manner. He decided that he ought to reinvent the rules to suit his own sense of right and wrong.

Judging from many of the comments here, Snowden seems to be a hero to lots of young leftists who wish they could escape to an authoritarian country but aren't impulsive enough to try.

"boundary-violators" like invading Iraq?

@trissloan2340

4 жыл бұрын

Any gripes you have or people that have gripes that you have, you never put your money where your mouth is. Move to Russia, N. Korea or Cuba and go enjoy their respective gov'ts. You have never sacrificed or put your life on the line for anyone or anything, nor would you.

@fellowcitizen

4 жыл бұрын

@@trissloan2340 Irrelevant, invading Iraq was an act of terrorism which left ME+US worse off, and destroyed thousands of lives + families in America. I have put my life on the line, and those three countries are not only totally different, but need to be understood in terms of forces they must offset in order to survive.

@99gypsies

4 жыл бұрын

@@trissloan2340 You know nothing about Fellow Citizen -- argue the points, don't attack the messenger. As a deep-rooted patriot through and through, I protested the so-called "War in Iraq," which was never a war, but an illegal invasion and occupation. It hurt our country. It increased terrorism. It cost US taxpayers 8 trillion dollars . . . it killed millions of people in the Middle East. It destroyed a country that never did us any harm. It destroyed the very oldest civilizations (Mesopotamia) that spawned our own Western and Christian culture. And it was based on a lie. 20 years later, we are still paying the price and Iraq is much worse off than it was before we started. I despise China, North Korea, what has become of Venezuela, Cuba -- but when my country kills millions of innocent people, I am afraid we are acting too much like those totalitarian fascist regimes. WE should be better. Our Founding Fathers were nationalists not warmongers; not imperialists. In America, we are free to disagree with one another. A true American appreciates diversity and respects his neighbor's viewpoints even if they are not his own. We are free --so we do not have to support every decision our government makes and we certainly do not have to support our NSA when they spy on us -- without our permission -- breaking our laws. I believe in our Constitution and I think it is a very grave crime to tread on it. Don't you dare question my patriotism sir.

@jayvdb

3 жыл бұрын

USA is in an arms race with itself, creating more/bigger problems overseas, selling its old arms to crazies, and creates new arms that it (and its allies) now need, and constantly needing more/deeper spying everywhere to detect threats, and its allies need to accept the spying (and other bad bilateral treaties) to avoid those ever greater threats.

Totally enjoyed this woman's presentation, very cool !!!

The lady who kept insisting upon all those definitions hijacked the last 15 minutes of the talk, which I did not appreciate. And people who could not be bothered to ask their questions using the microphone, their questions were lost to us.

She stayed in the the meaning/significance...and rolled with it forever

Obviously not present but the ironic part is I'm watching this on an electronic device I can't turn it off otherwise I couldn't hear it. LOL moving forward haha

Someone else asked how he as a system administrator got access to these files he couldn't see. The press have said how already, he asked a supervisor for his login credentials and used them. With his position alone he couldn't have read all this.

@PaulHenning84

8 жыл бұрын

*****​ here's my source mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9A703020131108

@turboruk

8 жыл бұрын

+kwnyupstate I guess apple system nor intel has issue to what really matter like a system does ; isn't it? L.A.M.P

the whats and why for were does the truth lie?

Schism. It doesn't mean I don't desire it. When communication comes again... we'll just say it. Unless we grow.

This woman is the traitor. He is the patriot.

On a general level I do not agree that the UNIX super users or "root" cannot access everything. Only encrypted data is secure.

@jerzykaltenberg298

2 жыл бұрын

ditto for dba access. What these people don't know about admin access would fill the yankee stadium. As root or sudo root you can own every bit in such a system. /as sysdba or oper you can dump the contents of the schema. As root & sysdba you can own the .dbf or the transaction logs or just log what sql is being thrown. As above, only encrypted data is reasonably safe, and that's only as good as the encryption and key mgmt. ( viz. borrowing your supervisors passwd) The problem lies with non-technical decisionmakers needing a non-technical analogy or executive summary in order to make personnel decisions with very technical consequences. The cusp of technical and old style humint _is_ where the problem happens. Also, ( and I obviously have no experience of the particular US alphabet security environment ) While a field operator / officer can be promoted to manage others ( and from watching these videos, i gather this occasionally happens) thus bringing their ability to judge character & motivation to the org, this very rarely happens in tech organizations. Management is mostly clueless. If they were any good at the tech stuff, they'd never become managers. Furthermore,. when (rarely) a competent technician transitions to managing his erstwhile peers, he quickly becomes useless as an engineer, while maintaining the delusion that he still has his chops. They're the worst. This is a completely different skillset & mindset, and I'd add that engineers / techs will generally treat restrictions placed on their access to what they see as their due, as something to be avoided, elided & worked around. Not out of any contrariness, but because they're a pain in the arse for folks trying yo get their work done & being evaluated on performance, whole being shackled with 'security' measures wholely spurious if you just keep access to critical assets off the fucking internet.

What???

So where's the part that actually deals with Snowden?

28;30 Of Strawmen arguments to then knock down when she finally gets to Snowden.....

Very informative.

No. Definitely not a traitor.

This is a very interesting subject. However, this woman is too annoying and rattles on without saying anything

Despicable, terrible human being, who thinks it's terrible that anyone would want to not be tracked online.

@jashickey

8 жыл бұрын

LOL... Hero !!

Alright who sped the audio up on this by 1.5

Would these apply to Donald J. Trump? Seems like it. He always thinks he needs money. He has always been a malcontent.

Right? Right? Right?…..

So being a traitor and Judas being that trader. I would have to ask you at this point. Somerset B. Says something like. Debate is necessary. Argument is tolerated. However TREASON is the death sentence. I don't believe that to be the exact quote but I think you get the point thanks and tell Jonna Mendez and her old man I said hello world! 🇺🇸🥰🌹💯💯🏁

Want to listen but the voice splits my head

Comrade Snowden now openly one of Putin's trolls.

@anng.4542

Жыл бұрын

I think he's now a naturalized Russian citizen?

Did Snowden's father own , work or associated with Zebra Technologies ?

Question. How many hundreds of times did this person say aah or um during her talk.

it's a debate nothing else

Her snarky comment about John Kiriakou caused me to shut it off. The amoral midgetry in this is pretty striking.

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Kiriakou blew the whistle on torture by the CIA.It is a crime.He ended up in jail for30 months.

I'm 36 mins in and can't watch any more of this. Treason is the highest of high crimes. It's not ethical or moral deviance. It's a crime that gets service men and women killed. It isn't "the normal kind of betrayal", it's the most severe kind. Anyone who does this knows precisely what they're doing. Why would you let this woman speak at your museum? Shrill and disingenuous. Better vetting next time please.

22:58 ''people with sense of dissatisfaction,disillusionment,depression and defeat at losers..'' nope my obese karen friend, its not like this!

I wonder if we would have heard this lady had Ed Snowden not done something. No doubt she would have found another dead horse's coattails to jump on. I would like to hear about her profile. Why is she so angry and upset if he is nothing as she is trying to have us believe? What did he do to her? Has she written any books?

They shouldn't had Q&A sections. Great lecture. But horrible Q&A section.

Perhaps we can beam her voice and lecture on tapped phone lines as an oversignal to lull enemies from listening. But it might be considered a war crime?

i didn't enjoy this speaker

What is the current half-life of secrets in 2020?

@DHorse

4 жыл бұрын

I guess she hasn't that the liberal arts have been eliminated in US universities. Where's the profit.

@DHorse

4 жыл бұрын

9:20 Again? A crime of disloyalty? How Orwellian we are.

@DHorse

4 жыл бұрын

10:00 This is just bizzare. In a list of 10 items only two are actual crimes. The rest? Thought crimes?

@DHorse

4 жыл бұрын

10:25 Good lord we have more Jesus, Hell and Judas. Weird.

Dominated by the pure. Yes, that's annoying. I'm split from my desire, or I was before brain soup.

If you were nice to me for thirty seconds back then, I would love you to death. You're my new best friend.

Snowden is a true hero.

MEATBALL!!!!!!

I'm bored to tears. I'm outta here.

Verbal Crap is the only description I have for her

Can't get past her screeching into the mic.

Taking State Department information home and putting it on your private server? Who could she be talking about? What is the situation if the organisation itself is "deviant", operating illegally, or in opposition to its supposed purpose?

@rauldempaire5330

2 жыл бұрын

Hillar.......

I'm not impressed by this speaker. Don't go into the psychology so much. Speak of his actions.

"Traitor" HA.

Lotsa whiney wannabe traitors commenting here.

@jerzykaltenberg298

2 жыл бұрын

it's the russian cheering section. "Sekcja specjalna zawsze lojalna"

aaah aaah aaah aaah aaah aaah aaah aaah and aaah and aah ah ah. Good basic aah speaking skills.

A bit of a click bait headline. Sure weren't your best content.

Blah blah blah and this woman doss not take a breath for an hour and says nothing of value

Edward Snowden - The Teacher, the guide from Darkness to Light. God Bless him.

Bless Edward Snowden ❤

@timeWaster76

3 жыл бұрын

Hell NO!

someone who wants to make a change or contribute to "leveling the playing field " is considered "Narcissistic?" Lol

@igorzum1925

8 жыл бұрын

+aisha a you're so right too many labels too little work

@AishaA-su4hg

8 жыл бұрын

Igor Zum​ 😈👍

@trissloan2340

4 жыл бұрын

"Leveling the playing field??????😵😵😵😵😵Your mind cannot comprehend what is at stake. You never served or could attain a high level security clearance. You are clueless and aimless; driftwood washed upon the shore.

@trissloan2340

4 жыл бұрын

@@igorzum1925 Shit, you are as clueless as she is. Did you investigate the Jon Benet Ramsey case???

This presentation is not up to the standards I have usually seen here.

What kind of name is Manijikian? She must be some kind of foreign spy. The kind in cahoots with our own spy grid.

Empty procedural stuff with relation to Snowden only tangential and suppositional. Really any point in calling him a narcissist?

Out of all the presentations I’ve watched so far that one is the most annoying…

the most boring speech ever

FYI: Titled “Edward Snowden” Video: Literally, not about Edward Snowden

Embarrassing lecture. They need to take this down from youtube. The speaker is an academic windbag with no speaking skills. The talk has no structure, no purpose, nothing you can take away. It doesn't go anywhere. She fails to explore the concept of betrayal - especially the betrayal of an idea - once you believed in 'the agency', 'the truth' etc - now you are loyal to a different idea - money, the excitement of doing something forbidden etc etc I was surprised she wasn't heckled - I guess everyone was asleep in the end.

@robertbrown4872

6 жыл бұрын

You don't like women very much, do you?

@robertsmuggles6871

6 жыл бұрын

you must be kidding - some of the best speakers at the spy museum are female agency people who plug away at something for years. Sandra Grimes on Aldrich Ames for example. Compared to stuff like that - the Manjikian lecture is just painful.

@towedarray7217

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Brown it doesn’t have anything to do with that. She read from Wikipedia and used google images to phone-in her lecture. Then delivered it like it was a mind-blowing presentation. Her gender has absolutely nothing to do with it.

@pjpredhomme7699

3 жыл бұрын

obviously you are not alone - a lot of negative comments , i get where that is coming from - aside from the style -she is putting presenting some well considered ideas. at least as counterintelligence is concerned . She is saying a lot of the assumptions about people who will engage in espionage have not changed to the modern work paradigm that is built around computer / networking . she has some very good points certainly the title does not fit , she is not a very skilled , dynamic speaker - that doesn't mean what she is saying is not very thoughtful and well considered . What is funny to me is some of the points that i have seen people make on this board are actually confirming the point she is making

You're going to have to deal with us who have liberal degrees/classes. Not only was I not raised to be loyal to the US, I was told how horrible it was, like the stuff they did. I hate myself. I liked the way the Russians worked together and how they had such a love for their nation, which is something I could not even feel now. I'm kind of stupid (no offense to myself). However, I did not deserve all the attention from Putin, nor your selfie culture of spies whose eyes burn against me. I'm damaged goods, and I want a nice life on Hideaway street with the five million dollars (after taxes). I know I was wrong, and I'm sorry (as I can be). I still, again, did not deserve all of that.

@tomg5187

5 жыл бұрын

Kaela Creighton I don’t get it, are you saying you’re Edward snowden lol

Let’s put a liar on the podium to tell the truth.

This woman is betraying the ideals of her country, I wonder if there a special ring of hell for that?

Terrible speaker. Got me angry as soon as 30 seconds in. Her screeching voice doesn't help.

The only good thing about her is how hot she was in the 80s

Terrible voice this woman has and the content of her story is BS. Snowden is a hero above any other. He fights against criminal government activity. Doing this is always legal.

18 minutes in and still just annoying platitudes. Terrible talk so far, hopefully it improves. But you should at least skip the first 20 minutes.

After watching this piece from IntlSpyMuseum, I can't even so much as risk stomaching one more of their pieces let alone get on their Facebook. We must part ways after this one brief unpleasant encounter!

@trissloan2340

4 жыл бұрын

That is your privilege. You will miss the excellent lectures.

Lol wtf is this? Moral philosophy? I was hoping for something of substance.

Snowden has a God-complex. He's speshal like a snowflake and a hero, thinks he's special when just speshal.

She seems to know nothing about Snowden 😉🙄😎🫤.

"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals!" - Edward Snowden

@TheScottEF

Жыл бұрын

If that's all that Snowden had done, he would be a worthy individual. What no one has ever justified is why he [1] never tried to go through established channels within the US (his statements to the contrary have always been denied by the folks he cites, and he never provided any evidence of attempting such); [2] needed to expose & endanger the lives of US intelligence assets in Hong Kong, China and threats from al Qaeda, Iran, North Korea, etc.; and [3] never made any attempt to cull information exposing domestic surveillance programs from legitimate foreign intelligence programs and methods. Look at the country he now calls home: the world's first major criminal state. That speaks volumes about the man.