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@brokenbridge6316

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder---Nice video. Still can't donate, sorry. If I had a job it would be much different, but job hunting is really tough for me and I suspect it will stay that way for an eternity.

@ericjustasinner5695

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder I want to give. but ill have to want we lost a car do to a cash :( have a bless day brother :)

@dust1077

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder i think the reason the eclipse has so little conventional weapons systems (for it's size) is because it doesn't have a power generator powerful enough to support that many turbolasers, ion canons, and other weapons and the superlaser at the same time

@thorshammer7883

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder Eclipse vs Titan (EVE) Covenant super carrier vs Super stardestroyer

@Apex_of_mankind

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder you should do UNSC vs Republic or Covenant vs Empire

I'm just imagining how the TIE pilots will be able to tell who is friend or foe over comlink

@opticalecho119

6 жыл бұрын

It'd be even worse for people on point defense turrets.

@cindywise

6 жыл бұрын

Kasino Kaiser lol

@Squivels

6 жыл бұрын

Nah, they'd have some sort of HUD with an IFF built in making ally/enemy id instant.

@_tertle3892

4 жыл бұрын

Painting wing before hand

@sovietcatunion

4 жыл бұрын

Ya

Mos Eisley Cantina VS Dexter's Diner. Who's the better restaurant? -Popularity within respected city/planet -Quality of food and service -How much money each pulls in

@leithesocialistyuricon8981

7 жыл бұрын

Brett Laughlin not bad

@loganchandler9988

7 жыл бұрын

Brett Laughlin I second this idea

@blacklightning6207

7 жыл бұрын

I really hope this becomes a video

@imredeye6736

7 жыл бұрын

Brett Laughlin well whaddya know

@soundedsilence32

7 жыл бұрын

Brett Laughlin this definitely needs to be a video.... and Fat man vs The Millennium falcon

I've heard that the Eclipse's forward lower section was used for ramming other ships and that its shields were powerful enough to allow it to survive the impact. could that be a factor making the fight more even?

@ok-hh6zk

4 жыл бұрын

But then the Executor was able to survive 3 imperial 2 class star destroyers ramming it after coming out of lightspeed and the shields were fine

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

No, because the Executors are faster and would be avoiding getting in front of the Eclipse anyway.

@dozergames2395

3 жыл бұрын

@@ok-hh6zk by the way for star wars FTL does the ship actually go light speed plus and then slowly decelearate with time after leaveing their form of FTL or it like a warp

@hanneswiggenhorn2023

3 жыл бұрын

@@dozergames2395 i think its more like a travel trough another dimension, not lightspeed

@dozergames2395

3 жыл бұрын

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 ah so mayve they could pull a reach

100% agree. Its been stated numerous times in multiple sources that the Executor is the pinnacle of capital ship warfare. While the Eclipse is without a doubt a powerful, beautiful and iconic ship, it doesn't hold a candle to the Executor. I actually think that even one executor would win, if it could stay out of the line of fire of the super laser

@SWY1356

2 жыл бұрын

this is old but staying out of the line of fire is easier said than done when you are 19km long target, especially if it only takes 1 shot from the super laser, and the fact that the eclipse can be used to ram into an executor, the eclipse is much more powerful armor and shielding, the executor maybe the pinnacle of capital ship warfare, but the eclipse is the True flagship of the emperor himself

When you mentioned the two executors splitting to overwhelm the eclipse, we've started talking about battle tactics and maneuvers. In that case we have to consider time and distance and the maximum effective range of the super laser. With that, if the eclipse simply wheeled right/left, they would effectively pin one of executors in the middle and the other executor would be hesitant to engage for fear of hitting their twin ship

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. Space combat is three dimensions, not two.

@brendenhawley2225

8 ай бұрын

it also very far over distances, which combined with the defenses of both ships makes friendly fire moot. It also means that turning speed may matter a lot less so eclipse can aim it superlaser pretty well. On the other hand I see the superlaser to be exactly the perfect target for tie bombers, so ties win the day because carriers generally beat battleships, through in the star wars vs battleships do a lot better.@@danielkorladis7869

Im sure that the stormtroopers would find a way to miss.

@Smolvali

5 жыл бұрын

True

How about the Venator Star Destroyer vs the Providence class cruiser

@fireblazermidnightgaming7897

7 жыл бұрын

I literally already posted that exact match up, but ok.

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

venator, just look at it carrying capacity

@carinka6255

7 жыл бұрын

The Providence was build to destroy the Venator , thats the purpose of it.

@fireblazermidnightgaming7897

7 жыл бұрын

but the fighters is what makes me wonder. after all, I've seen matches and played EAW FOC mods with a providence vs the venator, and in some cases, it can go either way, depending on who commands what ship. It's known that the venator has more fighters, and potentially better fighters, the providence clearly has better guns, and more of them on top of that. the question in my mind is who wins that fight including all factors, even the SPMA-T beam from the underside hangar (though I realize that is super rare, and may not be included in the battle).

@carinka6255

7 жыл бұрын

But RAW is not the best example bc. it isn't balaced very well, I played it for 3 months and the I saw enough to say that Venators are OP in it. They spawn ARC's then you target them at the shield and then its over for the Providence.

The frickin' dedication that goes into every one of these videos is amazing! Hat off to you my friend, you've just become the most respected Star Wars youtuber in my repertoire! Keep making 'em!

Pelican vs laat gunship

@blairjohnson5833

7 жыл бұрын

Not heat seeking missles though

@blairjohnson5833

7 жыл бұрын

David Crossler depends on the weaponry If the laat has turret balls it's impossible to flank

@Prestiged_peck

7 жыл бұрын

Are we talking full assault load like the one you fly in halo 4? Or just standard chaingun and autocannon?

@blairjohnson5833

7 жыл бұрын

Generalquarters 52 up to Eck I guess

@jamiegray6931

7 жыл бұрын

it all depends on the type of pelican. Wether it be the G79H gunship from halo 4 with its dorsal cannon and spartan laser turrets seen in halo 4, the standard G77 model seen during the war, or the G77S gunship seen as a leader power in halo wars two.The standard G77 pelican has no chance of besting the Republic gunship and if a video did take place it would have to be one of the pelican gunships in the interest of fairness.

Hammerhead Corvette vs CR90

@blairjohnson5833

7 жыл бұрын

AdmiralSupreme thats be done by every channel lol

@blairjohnson5833

7 жыл бұрын

AdmiralSupreme true

@Rocinante2300

7 жыл бұрын

AdmiralSupreme hey it's you again

@thorshammer7883

7 жыл бұрын

AdmiralSupreme Eclipse vs Titan (EVE)

@thorshammer7883

7 жыл бұрын

AdmiralSupreme Covenant super carrier vs Super stardestroyer

If you follow the West End Games RPG D6 version of these ships I believe the results would be different. While I would agree with the rough amount of Starfighters on a Super Star Destroyer, though if I recall the specific numbers look a bit more like 8 squadrons of Tie In, 2 Squadrons of Tie Interceptors, 2 Squadrons of Tie Bombers for a total of 144. I believe if memory serves a SSD has roughly 1000 destructive weapon emplacements and was about 33% faster than the Eclipse. It was also not terribly manuverable much like the Eclipse. So I don't see a hige manuverability advantage for the SSD. As far as your esimate of additional weapons I believe you have undervalued The Eclipse. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was literally THOUSANDS! A meer 500 only gives it about as much punch as about 5 Imperial Class Star Destroyers. As far as Starfighters... I dont recall the numbers there but it was emence. Well over the compliment of an SSD though I would say 3 SSDs worth of Star Fighters would peobably tie or outnumber the amount on an Eclipse... I could be wrong about that. Now consider this. You are correct about The Eclipse not being able to fire a full power strike very often. but what if it didn't? It was capable of firing less than full power. What if it fired 2 or 3 lesser blasts, which it could do without the long wait? Suppose it fired 2 or 3 blasts at the very begining of the engagement? These blasts might be able to destroy an SSD but maybe not. At the least it would cause serious, possibly crippling damage to 2 maybe 3 of the SSDs before they were even withing range of their own weapons. That being the case... whatever was left of those ships would be a quick mop up for the Eclipse... even if it only struck two of the enemy ships with the Super Laser leaving 1 SSD more or less unharmed I believe it would a very 1 sided victory for the Eclipse. I would even go so far as to say the Eclipse has a good chance of winning without the use of the Super Laser. Still I enjoyed your video. No disrespect. Keep them coming.

To be honest I think the executer star destroyer looks cooler than the eclipse

T-70 X-Wing VS Tie Defender. 4th attempt T-70 X-Wing is the upgraded model from The Force Awakens.

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

Tie defender would still win without a doubt remember when he is doing these videos he says "both pilots are equally skilled" wedge in an T-70 X-wing vs a TIE DEFENDER, 10/10 tie defender will win

@wolfgangervin2582

7 жыл бұрын

GSarge17 Been trying for this one too. Or sub in ARC-170 if that's a better match for the trip.

@legolaven

7 жыл бұрын

Don't try to brag about how many times you've tried. Nobody cares (also, I have tried mine 10-15 times, so i'm not exactly impressed with 4).

@GSarge17

7 жыл бұрын

LegOlav. Thank you sir. you opinion has been kindly thrown to the thrash. Have a nice day.

@Prestiged_peck

7 жыл бұрын

It's not bragging when I do it, I just like you to know how long I've been waiting

Droid Tri-Fighter vs TIE Automated Starfighter!!!!

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

that's fairly good idea the only thing the Tie has over it is speed, armour(not shielding), tri fighter has way more guns and could be more maneuverable .

@Who-vm7rq

7 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah I can get behind this.

@hunterkrone2875

7 жыл бұрын

The best of the best of Droid Starfighter technology vs the Empire's shameless rip off and literal flying irony lol

@Zephris

7 жыл бұрын

Hunter Krone yes! I was going to ask for something similar!

Republic Y-wing vs reble Y-wing

@terryforsdyke306

7 жыл бұрын

They are the supposed to be the same model, the only diferance is that the Rebel version is missing the outer skin. The Republic version may be very slightly more durable thanks to the extra armor and the Rebel version may be slightly more agile and have slightly better acceleration due to the reduced mass, although as the Republic versions were brand new and the Rebel version were 20 years old and needed a lot of maintenance that could swing in favor of the Republic version. Note those things I mentioned would equate to maybe 5% advantage/disadvantage in certain areas.

@virgilio6349

7 жыл бұрын

Terry Forsdyke Don't forget the gunner on the og ywing

@mr.mr.moremr.7077

7 жыл бұрын

these no gravity in space so wtf is mass

@stevehoughton906

7 жыл бұрын

Your right

@terryforsdyke306

7 жыл бұрын

+MR.MR & More MR. regardless of gravity an object still has mass, weight is affected by gravity, Mass is not. the more mass something has the more intetia it has, meaning the harder it is to accelerate/decelerate, which would also affect rate of turn. That is why the "J77 Event Horizon" Engines used on an A-Wing could not accelerate a Star Destroyer to A-Wing speeds in a simular timeframe (given weeks or months without course correction they probably could), because they were designed for a small lightweight fighter not a massive capital ship. Note the engine size on an X-Wing and compair it to the engine size on a Star Destroyer, the Star Destroyer engines are thousands of times the size of X-Wing engines but as the Star Destroyer has hundreds of thousands or millions of times more mass it accelerates and turns a lot slower.

My initial thoughts were basically how you described. That the executors would flank the eclipse and ultimately win.

Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Assault Frigate Mark II.

Also: the Executor could house thousands of fighters if it wanted to. Standard compliment was twice what an Imperial II-class Star Destroyer carried (which would equal 144 [72 TIE Fighters, 48 TIE Interceptors and 24 TIE Bombers]) but could hold, like you said, a lot more than that.

The first thing that came to my mind when i found out about the match-up was "Who fast and agile IS the Eclipse actually?". Because in a 3-on-1 fight the Eclipse could only win when it manages to outmanuouver at least one Executor. If i were the Eclipse´s commander, i would destroy one Exec. with the super laser, then try to ram a second while recharging the super laser for destroying the last. But considering how sluggish the ship is, there is practically NO chance to achieve that ram kill. On the other hand, if i were the commander of those 3 Executors, i would try to encircle the Eclipse. Even if i loose 1 of my SSDs, the other two SHOULD be enough to get the job done, provided they can dodge ram attacks and avoid the super laser firing arc.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Hella people mentioning the ramming ability without considering that if the Executors aren't commanded by potatoes, they'll have no issue evading such an attack with their superior thrust to mass ratio and therefore greater mobility. If you're the Executor commander, your losses come down to whether you know beforehand that the Eclipse has a superlaser. If you do, you simply attack from three directions... rear, and starboard and port or dorsal and ventral. And every time the Eclipse tries to turn to face you, you just reposition the Executor that it's chasing faster than the Eclipse can maneuver. The first target obviously would be the Eclipse's derpy little engines. Disable those and she's finished.

the like button cannot repel firepower of this magnitude

You forget the line in the ships guide about regarding eclipse "its shields and hull armour are so strong it can ram enemy capital ships without hesitation" Im thinking that it probably has some new advancements in power generation, shield power along with multiple redundant layers of shields . It could probably saw right through the comparitively thin executor without a worry while shrugging off all incoming fire. Its literally decribed as a tank of tanks.

Hammerhead cruiser VS Arquintens light cruiser

@thorshammer7883

7 жыл бұрын

M.L. Covenant super carrier vs Super stardestroyer Covenant super carrier vs Titan (EVE) vs Ecilpse

@JeanLucCaptain

7 жыл бұрын

Yup this I wanna see!

How to destroy an Eclipse: Ram it with a corvette or frigate coming out of Hyperspace.

@clone9159

4 жыл бұрын

That won't bypass the shield

@jessupm3377

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on where you hit the Eclipse if you decide to hit where the super laser is the frigate/corvette will be decimated because of the Eclipses armor and how it states that the ship is so large that it can ram enemy capital ships and destroy them and the armor is also very thick and almost impenetrable so almost anywhere you hit the Eclipse will come out on top due to mass and armor thickness. Oh I forgot that’s if the shield is not raised.

@Jay-629

4 жыл бұрын

Russian Spy Bitch this is a two-year-old comment

@jackness9431

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-629 so?

@Jay-629

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Ness it was a fucking joke you second-rate caveman

Ship stats converted to Traveller RPG system. The Eclipse wins every time. I think that you have seriously underestimated the power, rate of fire and range of the Eclipse spinal mount laser. It's like taking a hammer to a coconut shell. Big capital ships are simply too large and too un-maneuverable to dodge spinal mount weapons.

Wow, 27,000 subscribers!!!!! I think I subscribed at about 13,000. Great job with the channel!!!!

@EckhartsLadder

7 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks!

@diamondman307_

7 жыл бұрын

EckhartsLadder No problem. I love this channel!

'Star wars: behind the magic' states that 144 fighters were carried on executor class star destroyers as a bare minimum, but fully loaded can carry thousands, check wookiepedia.

Space battleship yamato vs MC75 cruiser(third times the charm they say)

@justcallmeeddy4067

7 жыл бұрын

im assuming no one knows what the space yamato is?

@justcallmeeddy4067

7 жыл бұрын

ship info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato_(fictional_spacecraft) anime: ww2.gogoanime.io/uchuu-senkan-yamato-2199-episode-1

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

YAAA MAA TOEEEEEE

@jonmcgee6987

7 жыл бұрын

Depends on what version and at what point in the Yamato time line you'd use the ship. Original story line with the up-grades the ship had in Be Forever Yamato. Or as she is in the Yamato 2199 series.

@justcallmeeddy4067

7 жыл бұрын

Jon Mcgee well I only know the yamato from the 2199 series

Executor VS. Borg Cube, please! :)

@JeanLucCaptain

7 жыл бұрын

The Borg would suffer heavy damage, then adapt and self repair, end of story.

Sad I'm just seeing this but I agree and that's saying the Eclipse gets the jump on the Executors. If the Executors got the jump on the Eclipse fast enough to get out of the firing arc of the superlaser then those concussion missiles on the Executors will knock the shields out and between the missiles and turbolasers the Eclipse wouldn't stand a chance. As a flagship it is a thing of fear and beauty but the fact is the Eclipse is too highly specialized to be useful alone. The only good thing is it's hull is so strong it can probably take a beating long enough to survive until reinforcements arrive to assist.

@EckhartsLadder At first I think I would have given it to the Eclipse as well. Then you went add some well thought out, based on information available and logical points. Very well done. I'm on board with your assessment! This one is String in the Force‼️‼️💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🙆🏻‍♂️🙆🏻‍♂️🙆🏻‍♂️❤️❤️❤️🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼💯💯💯✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼

Bellator SSD vs Mediator Battlecruiser

Kandossi type dreadnought against Inexpugnable command ship

Could we see a three part/topic video: 1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation. 2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship. 3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.

Ah spinal weapon systems. Massive power, but you have to move the entire ship just to aim the damn thing! :)

Secutor-Class Dreadnought vs Palleaon II or Lucrehulk-Class

palleon vs secutor (3rd try)

@yog7439

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Sun The Secutor class lol he meant the Secutor Jesus

@koraegi

6 жыл бұрын

George Lucas ty papa lucas

Excellent analysis. This makes me view the Eclipse-class in a completely different light. I never really thought of it primarily as a siege platform. I'd actually give the odds to 2 Executors over 1 Eclipse. The Executor just has too much firepower for the Eclipse to handle.

I pretty much completely agree with everything you've said. I don't think the conventional firepower of the Eclipse is as low as you're making it out to be; it must have the power to spare, or the designers wouldn't have bothered adding them. I think, in a 1v1 without the superlaser, the Eclipse would probably have a slight advantage because of the extra fighters and the sheer size (it's shorter, but it's also much "taller," particularly in the main body; this would give that little bit of extra protection to critical systems). Overall, I do think the 3 Executors win, but, if there were only 2 Executors, I think it would be a much more even fight, especially if the Executors had a chance to launch their fighters before one got destroyed by the superlaser. One other thing I'm wondering: in the case of both Death Stars, we see that the superlaser is formed using multiple beams at steep angles to one another, which then converge to form a single powerful beam. I'm assuming the Eclipse's superlaser is similar. What I'm wondering is, is it possible to just fire one of the smaller beams, so that, rather than converging with the others, it goes off at an angle to the normal direction of fire? It would obviously do less damage, but I can imagine it could still do a decent amount of damage, enough to let the turbolasers finish the target. That would increase the firing arc of the superlaser significantly, at the expense of reducing the damage output if the target isn't directly ahead. Finally, since it would obviously use less power, it would presumably take proportionally less time to recharge. So, would that be possible?

Second option; ground vehicles, AT-TE vs AT-AT

@clonewars_9805

7 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Kates Not a bad idea

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

well since we are dealing with equal skill if the AT-AT gets one good shot at range it will win easily the AT-TE needs to get right under it but surprisingly they both go very close to the same speed, if you're thinking about that SW rebels battle the at-te only barely won due to the sand storm,

@kirzuvo7145

7 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Kates AT-AT would easily win the mass canon from the AT-TE can't even damage the AT-AT and it's weapons can cripple the AT-TE

@clonewars_9805

7 жыл бұрын

But his idea of doing ground vehicles is a good one. Hey the AT-TE can at least put up a fight. Example is the fight in Rebels.

@mryellow6918

7 жыл бұрын

jacob holley think thats more that the ones in rebles were prototypes and didn't have sheilds, used to scare them, that obviously didn't work

z-95 headhunter (as it was during the clone wars) vs the x-wing

@aayush1043

7 жыл бұрын

Mic Clank the x wing was made to be better than the z95

@aayush1043

7 жыл бұрын

It's like tie fighter vs tie interceptor

@user-zi7qd1fy7d

7 жыл бұрын

Mic Clank Z-95 is quite a sucky ship, really.

@fidamdsaini8452

7 жыл бұрын

Droid Tri-Fighter would destroy both.

@user-zi7qd1fy7d

7 жыл бұрын

Fida Md-Saini Nah, X-wing and Tri fighter are about equal.

I think you are right about the super star destroyers having to basically run in circles to avoid the laser. Earlier you mention that their weapons layout is geared towards max firepower straight ahead towards the wedge, which sort of inherently means if they have to largely go perpendicular to the super laser in order to get the best chance of avoiding it, they wouldn’t be bringing the entirety of their turbo lasers etc to bear on the eclipse. If they oriented themselves for maximum firepower they’d basically be heading straight towards the eclipse and opening themselves up to an insta kill once the laser recharged.

Technically speaking, the Executor-class carries 144 Tie series as a minimum, but can carry thousands when fully loaded. Which for me makes sense considering the sheer size of the Executor and the lack of complex equipment like the Superlaser or Gravity Well projectors taking up hull space and leaving more room for hangers. I'd say it would probably carry around the same number of Tie series starfighters as the Eclipse on average. If not more closer to a thousand.

Resurgent Star Destroyer vs Allegiance Class Battlecruiser

Unicron from transformers the movie vs star killer base

@veakira1620

7 жыл бұрын

James Duncan doubt much people know what unicron is

@jambo1181

7 жыл бұрын

CryoFx It would be pretty good though and people should learn from the hypothetical video would happen. I just want to see the video.

@jg14gerhard_bar

7 жыл бұрын

k lets see unicron is a god, star killer base is a planet, unicron will come out of hyperspace and fucking eat the planet,if they shoot him he will likely eat the beam and go super sayian

@jonmcgee6987

7 жыл бұрын

That would be an interesting fight. Be the case could Star Killer base got a shot off before Unicron tries to eat it. Or Unicron transforms and starts to punch Star Killer base.

@jambo1181

7 жыл бұрын

Jon Mcgee Starkiller base may not be charged to fire.

I guess an Executor can beat an Eclipse 1 on 1 if both dropped out of hyperspace next to each other and engaged broadsides, where the Executor has the overwhelming advantage.

I have to make this joke." hey, if heard you like star destroyers. So I got you a star destroyer that can hold star destroyers for your star destroyer collection

provincie clas vs star destroyer

invisible hand vs imperial star destroyer

I know you try to stick to what's actually been listed as equipment and capability on these ships, but there's no WAY the Executor class has that few fighters embarked; A thousand or so TIE fighters and variants each is likely closer to what they'd actually carry, and that dense a swarm would have to make a dent even in the Eclipse's defenses/armor. Still, I appreciate the way you make it as clear as possible (without actually straight-out saying it) that the way Executor was destroyed over Endor was bullshit (aka 'dictated by plot') and shouldn't be taken as a meterstick for how effective that class of ship would be in an actual engagement. Good work on these videos, man.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Executor went down after having literally the entire rebel fleet's firepower focused on it and its shield generators being destroyed.

I think you're completely right about this match, unless the Executors attack in Tusken Raider formation the Eclipse will simply be outflanked and torn to pieces. Executors win 9.9 times out of 10 for me.

2 malevolent vs the Eclipse

@keelandubs1803

7 жыл бұрын

Plz like if you you think it is a good idea

@mittens4385

4 жыл бұрын

Uh...the eclipse has about 100 times the tonnage of the malevolence

Atlantis from Stargate Atlantis vs The eclipse super star destroyer

@michaelramon2411

6 жыл бұрын

With 3 ZPMs? I think Atlantis could tank the superlaser (at least once) and it is definitely small enough and maneuverable enough to get behind the Eclipse and stay there. Drones might have a bit of an issue with the Eclipse's shields (I think they can crack its super hull), but should be able to get through in time, disable the engines and slowly pick the thing apart. Or just bore through the Eclipse until they hit the reactor and damage that until it explodes. I don't believe we've ever seen a ship able to resist Ancient drone weapons (the Wraith ZPM Hive could heal off the damage but not prevent it), and Atlantis itself and maybe a high-end Ori ship are all I can think of that might be able to, so 3-ZPM Atlantis can take most anything short of a Death Star, at least in my book.

Right, because any commander would stop his ship right in front of the enemy's only serious weapon, and just wait to be destroyed.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

I assume that's if the commander of the three Executors didn't know about the supleraser. If the Executor commander did know about it, then you're right, it's highly unlikely that the three Executors would get in front of the Eclipse at all.

Ties vs ties and lasers from the destroyers would make for some very friendly fire.

You are giving too much credit to the speed of the Executor class SSD and not keeping in mind that they were not maneuverable at all. This would make for an undoubted 1v1 in the end, speed only helps if you can make an easy turn radius as well. Unless the fighter match up is disproportionate and very effective somehow, it's clear that the Eclipse would still win. ...and I'm not even an Eclipse fan...

@IKhanmakeWAR2

7 жыл бұрын

He also seems to discount the firing arc of the Eclipse, it's laser doesn't just fire in a straight line. It most likely works like the Death Star, which has different lasers directing the main beam in a certain direction.

@IKhanmakeWAR2

7 жыл бұрын

How fast do you REALLY think two 19 kilometer ships are going to be able to manuever out of range of a 30 DEGREE FIRING ARC weapon? This scenario would be the best case, 1 SSD would get to the Eclipse's side. I highly doubt one SSD would have the firepower to deal with the Eclipse.

@JeanLucCaptain

7 жыл бұрын

How maneuverable could a 19km long spacestation with engines be?!

@JeanLucCaptain

7 жыл бұрын

I read that the eclipse superlaser can be fired 16x per 24 hours.

@pubcle

7 жыл бұрын

He also screwed up the numbers on that acceleration. 1230 G for the Executor, 940 G for the Eclipse, making the difference basically negligible in terms of escaping the firing arc, two Executors would be wiped out quickly. He's also ignoring that the Eclipse could change its power output in order to take out different targets and had about 2/3rds the power of the Death Star II in its axial super laser at maximum power able to crack through planetary shields and sear continents (this seems to be contradictory that it is incapable of destroying planets as most estimates show it would take more power to destroy the shield that it would to destroy the planet and certainly most planets should at the very least be cracked by a weapon 2/3rds as powerful as one that essentially vaporized planets). The lore of the Eclipse states that the two SSDs could have each taken the entire Empire back by themselves had it not been for the sabotage used to destroy them and that each could take on the full fleet of the New Republic and come out victorious. While conventional weapons where somewhat lacking it had a much better degree of fire making it much harder to reach a blindspot. Furthermore it was loaded to the brim with an entire legion of Royal Guards who could be mounted into Royal Guard Interceptors to utterly dominate the small fighter fields and could quite easily be put into boarding parties in which only say maybe 200 (and that is an enormous overestimation) of the ten thousand Royal Guards would be needed to overtake an entire Executor. The Eclipse was made from the same materials as the Death Star making it neigh impenetrable to outside forces, it had more advanced weaponry than the Executor, specifically noting in ion cannons, making each turret, while less numerous, more powerful. The Eclipse II also carried Shadow Droid starfighters which were directly controlled by Sidious himself through the Dark Side of the Force which made them practically unmatched in combat, they could tap into the Dark Side and were given the brains of Imperial aces who could no longer serve physically without augmentation, in a star fighter match there is no comparison. The Eclipse shields were stated to be capable of shrugging off the entire force of the New Republic fleet and could smash through even the heaviest of ships without so much as a scratch. To say that even 5 Executors could so much as scrape the paint off of the Eclipse is an insult to anyone actually knowledgeable about its capabilities.

Lancer Class Corvette VS Corellian Cr90 Corvette

@anxietygamingactual6554

7 жыл бұрын

Wasn't the Lancer primarily an anti-star fighter ship?

@terryforsdyke306

7 жыл бұрын

yes, the Lancer Frigate had something like 80 anti fighter laser canons, it would shread the CR90, it vastly outguns it, the Corvette's only chance would be to run (and it should be able to do so, the Lancer was rather slow, the Corvette should be at least twice as fast)

Not a conventional matchup, but the Milano (Guardians of the Galaxy) vs the Millennium Falcon? They seem to have a crew of a similar size, similar roles, etc. I think it would be a close call. This also opens up the spaceship arena to a new universe such as the Marvel universe which might be cool in my own opinion. (Helicarriers, etc) Great vid as always tho ^^

My guess is, if the Eclipse took out one of the Executors, that the two remaining would then flank it with one to port and the other to starboard. If they where head to head they could increase to close the gap quickly, firing forward, then when along aside bring all weapons to bear on the respective side. The Eclipse would have to divide it fighters, and have both sides fighting. Combat tactics, they also could swing around 90* to the Eclipse, while being able to being able to bring all weapons forward, and reducing their profile. So in short, two Executors could make short work of the Eclipse by using combat tactics and flaking it.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Or one above and the other below.

providence-class carrier/destroyer vs. venator

@annofan-jz7dq

7 жыл бұрын

More CIS ships!!!

@kirzuvo7145

7 жыл бұрын

anno 2070 fan 22 providence class was meant to destroy venators they have more turrets and lots of firepower only thing venator has better is more star fighters

which empire at war mod is this at 5:54?

@ddjohnstonbetween2brests639

7 жыл бұрын

momo 12320 thanks

The Executor's TIE Fighter count was actually in the thousands, but 150 was the minimum complement

i love how he says "only 500 turbo lasers "

SSDV15 Star Destroyers Arc-170vTie Interceptor

@terryforsdyke306

7 жыл бұрын

+Karsten Sheilds I recomend making 2 posts with the 2 diferant matchups, if someone votes for this EckhartsLadder will not know which they are voting for. Also I sugest being more specific, there are several classes of SSD and more than 20 classes of Star Destroyer, I am guessing you mean Executor class super Star Destroyer vs 15 Imperial Class Star Destroyers, but if you in fact meant Eclipse for the SSD and 15 Victory Star Destroyers or one of the many other classes that could make a huge diferance to who wins, there are Star Destroyer classes boasting half the firepower of the Executor class SSD and with way less than half the firepower of an ISD.

@pudgeboyardee32

7 жыл бұрын

Karsten Shields jedi battle cruiser(very old republic) vs original mandolorian besilisks.

Do praetor 2 vs allegence

@clonewars_9805

7 жыл бұрын

Louis Bignell I love this idea

@Ironsollist

7 жыл бұрын

jacob holley thanks

@clonewars_9805

7 жыл бұрын

No problem. Those are my favorite ships in the Star Wars universe. Also love them in the mods for Empire at War

@Ironsollist

7 жыл бұрын

thanks

@Ironsollist

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob holley same

I'd say 2 Executors already kill the Eclipse while a single Executor has a chance if it knows about the superlaser and can evade it.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if the commander knows that the Eclipse has a superlaser, the tactic is obvious... avoid being directly in front of the Eclipse. And that's easy because the Eclipse is slooooooowwww

@diosworld7862

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielkorladis7869 and they can use that and try to take a broadside, considering nothing can defeat Executor Class in broadside battles

I should also note in Return of the Jedi, when the A-wing crashed into the Executor's bridge, that action wasn't what brought the ship down, she also suffered damage to her engines and when the fighter did crash, it was the combination of that and the engine damage that brought down the Executor.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

This was also after the entire rebel fleet had concentrated fire on the Executor and disabled the shield generators.

Eclipse vs Death star

@BoldOne8760

6 жыл бұрын

victor have Death Star hands down

@josephpayne113

6 жыл бұрын

victor have ....FIGHT! Death Star uses plantary lazer! Wawa wa Death Star wins!

@chookianna6146

6 жыл бұрын

victor have More,30 eclipse vs death star 1

@EskChan19

6 жыл бұрын

Hm. Wholy depends on how they start together. If both face each other, the one with the higher reach wins. The Eclipse Superlaser was designed to be able to crack a planets crust and bust it's core, so if it's superlaser gets a clean shot on the Death Star it would be toast. But same goes the other way. Hit the Eclipse with the Death Star beam and it's over. Though technically the DS1's targeting computers were not good enough to target ships. Wholy depends on if the Eclipse is large enough for it to hit.

An Executor Class Star Dreadnought usually carries a full wing of starfighters, that's 12 squadrons of 12 starfighters each... that is 144 starfighters, which can be a mix between regular tie fighters, interceptors or bombers. This doesn't take into account other kinds of space crafts like assault transports or shuttles.

What if you shot a pair or two of proton torpedoes down the muzzle of a superlaser? Would the laser have some sort of EMP wave or energy/ray shield setting to protect its inner muzzle and emitter? Or would the super-weapon be destroyed?

How about tactics? I would have 2 executors exit hyperspace perpendicular to eclipse under its belly firing away with everything, and the 1 other executor behind eclipse, again, perpendicular and firing away on eclipses engines. As long as the executors maneuver properly, eclipse wont be able to line up a shot. All Fighters, and bombers, would attack in waves along eclipses prow, and that super laser wont do much use against a wave of 450 little dots.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The Eclipse has to react to what the Executors do, because they're faster.

‘Quite a small ship for a weapon this powerful.’ *Eclipse wants to know your location*

Great video all you missed I think was that at end or the Death Star angled it’s laser without moving. Great video though loved it

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Death Star's superlaser array being so wide probably allowed it to do that. The Eclipse doesn't have the big dish with the additional focusing beams, just the central laser.

These ships are MASSIVE. The Eclipse was 17.5km or 57,414ft long while the Executor was 19km or 62,336ft long.

4 nebulon B frigates vs 1 ISD. A duel of classic canon ships.

Good job Eckharts. I believe your rendition of the battle is very reasonable and plausible. The only chance the eclipse has is to hit two ssds at the same time. If that happens, I believe it can either stall with its shields for the laser to recharge, or I might be able to take on the other ssd with just its fighters and turbolasers.

You can compare this two ships as a fight between a sore and a mace. The mace is really scary and will fuck up whatever it hits but its slow and bulky whit very little defensive capability wile the word is more menoverbol and can easy slash and stab at the mace

A nice analysis! Some very good points you brought up. There is one more factor to consider. The Eclipse can definitely seal up the battle, should it find the upper hand. If it did succeed in destroying the first Executor class...or worse...actually managed to destroy two Executors with its mini-superlaser, there is one more weapon at its disposal....the Eclipse has gravity well generators which can prevent the surviving Executor(s) from escaping into hyperspace. I think that is another good reason to explain why the Eclipse is so outgunned by even one Executor. As you said, the Eclipse is a siege platform, a weapon of terror...I might add that is is well suited to the Tarkin Doctrine, and GM Wilhuff Tarkin's school of thought, that most who would encounter even an Imperial class Star Destroyer would be given to running away, or simply choosing not to engage it because of the ISD's sheer size, rather than approach the problem tactically. When it comes to sheer power dedication, the Eclipse has two primary weapons...the mini-superlaser, and the gravity well generators. Of course, it must also power its ponderous shield system. The turbolasers and laser cannons are its tertiary weapons system should it actually come under attack by whatever swarming forces the opposition can muster against it. That is why the Eclipse is usually escorted by at least two Executors. I do think you otherwise hit it spot on in your analysis. Well done!

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Why would the Executors jump to hyperspace? They're more maneuverable than the Eclipse (very obviously a greater thrust to mass ratio) and can just outflank it and then pound away.

Fun match up...but I wonder if the fighters are as inconsequential to this battle as you say? We know that an SSD can be crippled by fighters, assuming it's taken a few hits and its shields are down. So what about this scenario: - SSDs jump in and the first one is immediately destroyed by the super laser, as you say. - The two remaining SSDs break off and circle the Eclipse, as you say. - At this point the Eclipse captain knows its a matter of time before he's ground down by the turbo-lasers of the SSDs, he knows he has to even the odds. So he launches EVERY fighter and bomber he has at one of those SSDs. - The SSD launches its fighters in defence, but those fighters are now outnumbered (very roughly) 2-1 by the Eclipse's fighters. - That SSD is also pounded by all of the Eclipses available turbo-lasers..not as many as the SSD has, but enough to weaken its shields...just like Home-One and the rest of the rebel fleet managed to do at Endor. - Suffering horrendous casualties the Eclipse's 'big wing' of 600 fighters punches through, allowing its 96 TIE bombers to unload everything on the SSD, particularly targeting its bridge - a known weak point. - The SSD is either destroyed (less likely, but possible), or is so badly damaged that it's combat ability is severely degraded or it's forced to break off (more likely). - The Eclipse now only has one serious threat to deal with, and because it's only taking the turbo-laster fire of the one remaining SSD, it's size and shielding enable it to weather that SSD's weapons and fighters long enough for its slow super-laser to power up again and destroy it.

If you added the Reborn Palpatine, hed probably only have to do a one on one, he could destroy the first with the superlaser, the second with a force storm, and then try to recharge the superlaser while focusing fire on the final Executor.

1x Imperial 1/2 class star destroyer vs Small rebel battle group (2x CR90 corvettes, 1x DP20 frigate, 1x GR75 medium transport, 1x EF76 nebulon B frigate.) 3rd times the charm!

I donated this morning! I'm Darth Max!

You should do a First Order Dreadnought (Mandator III/Bellator) against Snoke`s star destroyer,The Supremacy.If you already have,sorry for suggesting this,I havent seen all of your videos.Just subbed today!

You deserve more subs! Love your videos.

I wouldn't be completely sure. In Empire at war Forces of Corruption the super laser off the eclipse recharges very quickly thus being able to fire again after seconds or even a minute.

I'm guessing the weapons of the executors are drawing their stats from canon. If I recall correctly, an executor from Legends, had 300 heavy turbolaser batteries, 300 turbolaser batteries, 300 ion cannon and 300 concussion missile launchers. I think the video would have been better if it been two Legends ships in the vs.

I am not sure the Eclipse would kill one of the Executor class ships, to do this one of them would have to drop out of hyperspace directly in front of Eclipse, or the Executors would have to not be aware of the Superlaser, and if they did not know about the Superlaser why would they send 3 to take down a ship they far outguned? the Eclipse had grav well generators and if I remember correctly also a powerful tractor beam to hold ships in place while it rammed them, ramming was one of Eclipse's primary attacks. I think there is a fair chance (baring bad luck on jumping in) all 3 Executors would make it out without much damage

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

The Executors have tractor beams as well. And yeah, if the Executor commander knows about the superlaser, they'd have to be an absolute doofus to sit in front of the Eclipse.

The eclipse class star Dreadnought if it hit the right place on the planet where it penetrated the core it could destroy the planet

@JeanLucCaptain

7 жыл бұрын

Target an active fault line. Planet cracking earthquakes would eventually breakup the planet Genesis style.

I think two vs one is more interesting. One dies but the other get close enough to be able to fight without fear of being hit by the superlaser. Now it's efficient design but limited fighter support vs a less efficient design vs more fighters. Three vs. one is only really interesting if you say "Can three Executors kill an Eclipse before it's super laser kills all three?"

I agree with this analysis of the battle. However, the Eclipse was never designed to be a frontal assault dreadnaught. It is best left in the back out of range of other ships removing how many degrees it needs to turn to bring its super laser to bear.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't think there's really any case of the Eclipse traveling without significant escort forces.

That the Executer has such a small hanger capacity is realistic. Because all the guns and the everyday live of the crew take up a lot of space.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Look at the underside of the Executor though. Those hangars are enormous.

Nice video, i like ur content

So, I know this is an old video, but I had a thought that would tip the battles in favor of the Eclipse. It's something that you mention, but didn't really explore tactically: ramming. The Eclipse is said to have shields and hull strong enough to ram enemy ships without hesitation. While slower than an Executor class SSD, a ramming maneuver is unconventional enough that even with equally competent crews, I don't think the ramming tactic would be recognized before it was too late, and the Eclipse simply used it's bulk to smash one of the Executors in half.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

The ramming tactic doesn't matter. You have to be able to match speed and maneuverability with your target, if your target is moving, to ram it. The Executors are almost certainly faster and more maneuverable than the Eclipse given that they are less massive but have larger engines and more of them. The Executors' commander would probably not position the three SSDs right in front of the Eclipse anyway due to the standard layout of star destroyer type warships (able to concentrate most of their firepower directly ahead). With three faster, more maneuverable ships, the sensible choice is clearly to flank from the top, bottom, and rear.

Two Mediator-class Battlecruisers vs One Allegiance-class Star Destroyer and One Titan-class Star Destroyer. If you don't do 1 vs 2 types; One Mediator-class Battlecruiser vs one Allegiance-class Star Destroyer.

At least it could take an Executor in a one on one fight.

this may sound like a weird match up, and I just thought of this, but what about Thrawn (ISD II) and Yularen (Venator star destroyer) in their respective ships vs Admiral Trench (Providence destroyer) and Mar Tuuk (Lucrehulk battleship) in their respective ships. @eckhartsladder, do you mind leaving your thoughts on this match-up? (don't vote for it, obviously, but your thoughts would be nice)

The Eclipse Superlaser has about 30% of the deathstars firepower, not enough to cause a planet to explode, but it would totally scorch the surface, whiping out all life on it.

Millennium falcon vs the Eden hawk from knights of the old Republic games would be a great versus I don't believe you've done it before

The Eclipse's shields were so powerful that they had zero fear of using it as a battering ram against other ships. Its 600 SHIELDED TIE Interceptors would rape the TIE Fighters plus the Eclipse had Interdictor Gravity Projectors. The Executors were screwed the minute they opened fire on it because the Eclipse was built with far superior shielding systems more akin to the Death Star than to a Executor class.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone keeps pointing out the ramming ability but it really doesn't matter. You can only ram a target you can close the distance with. The Eclipse has a very small propulsion system for its size. The Executors have much larger engines and have more of them, while being much less massive. To avoid ramming, all they need to do is the same thing they're already doing to avoid the superlaser: keep away from the front of the Eclipse.

The Eclipse armor and shields is so strong that it can ram a ship without taking damage so it would win.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

Try to ram someone on a vespa while you're riding a bicycle. You basically can't, because they're fast enough to constantly evade you. The same would apply here. If the Executor stood still and let itself be rammed, then yeah, it would work. But the Executor is considerably smaller than the Eclipse while having a more powerful set of engines, so it's a simple matter to avoid the ram, especially since they'd be avoiding being in front of the Eclipse anyway because of the superlaser.

@T_REX1014

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielkorladis7869 Im not saying the Eclipse would try and ram it I am just saying that the shields and armor are so strong that it could ram it, meaning that it would also be able to take a lot of turbolaser fire.

@danielkorladis7869

3 жыл бұрын

@@T_REX1014 True, but that's why if the Executors' commander is at all competent, the Eclipse's engines will be the first thing targeted. From there, I think it's uncertain whether the Executors could actually destroy the Eclipse, but it would already be a mission-kill (taking out the Eclipse's ability to be an effective warship due to immobilizing it).