Great video. Now I can just leave a link. It's been a lot to try to explain all that as folks want to know why I recommend the EBMX battery vs others, so I just say the others are pretty much DIY; the battery I can make you is just as good as the others. The EBMX battery is in another class.

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

thanks Rio you help us a lot mate. EBMX = team

So glad you made this video! Best battery in the E-Moto industry by far!

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Thanks lads. ✅⚡️

great video. very cool to see you share some of the testing footage on the vibration machine and the laser welding clip. as a consumer, seeing that video, makes a world of difference. you can tell people stuff all day long but seeing that is so much more impactful.

Great video. This looks way better than the Chi battery, which has 3D printed enclosure and shrink wrap, lol. Also it has a bypass BMS which is kind of unsafe.

@CmdrTigerKing

Жыл бұрын

chi is chite !

These are hands down THE best batteries on the market for Surron and Talaria I had an early gen 1.0 version fail and they sent me a gen 2.0 replacement and it's been rock solid ever since.

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Hey Simon. You betcha 👊

@simoncase6312

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme 👊

Hi Matt! I am really glad to see the level of transparency you guys never fail to provide! Haters want to tear apart what you guys do, but then they can't get squat from your competition on HOW their packs are constructed! Good job, keep up the great products and honesty!!!

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

So you did watch it. 🤙

@de-bodgery

10 ай бұрын

@@tau3457 LOL...of course! Best way to know what they are doing is to look at the video!

You guys are making it hard to doubt you. Love it.

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Your team has the best power upgrades in the industry

Wow… look at how much work and technology goes into the every EBMX battery!!!! This is why EBMX is the only 2 year warranty battery in the high power market

@surronzak8154

Жыл бұрын

Save my battery has 2 years too …

Wow thank you for showing us your product and offering that warranty. I was a click away from chi but you won me over from this video. I don’t know why you guys get so much bad press and rep from influencers and community. I’m happy I did some research and took the time to learn about your company first. Cheers

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

thanks mate.. yeah we make great stuff - usually at a level well above what other companies can only dream about. i guess the KO fan boys club has a lot to with that hate.. but we just keep keep focused on making great products. Ee know you will love our battery when you get one.

@wattanapoboonrueng8801

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme I will be sure to take lots of photos and do my own little video. I plan on getting the 60v 63ah bundle which includes the seat extender and fast charger through chargedcycleworks. I fly a lot of fpv drones and I have so much plan with the EBMX battery. Bought the Suron on friday and have been buying upgrades all weekend.... hopefully im still married next week. Cheers

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

@@wattanapoboonrueng8801 yes it becomes a bit like that mate. go well and we are sure it will be awesome for you. CCW are a great dealer and one of our faves to work with.

Great video and clearly indicative of your mindset and intent to remain in the industry. Commitment to an industry in its infantile stages is not for the faint of heart. Knowing you're committed to longevity of both your product and business model confirms I've made smart investments in your product line.

Cant wait to get one!

Great video! How can we tell the difference between gen 1 vs gen 2? Are all the places selling your batteries selling gen 2? And does your batteries connect to the Ant bms app?

Great video, very informative. I was an early adopter of the 72v and recently had it fail. After testing and contacting Matt at EBMX with the results they are honoring the warranty and sending a new battery. Good to see what goes into them and that they are still improving the tech. Come back and ride Hawaii again Matt. Aloha

@matthew_wauters

Жыл бұрын

Cant wait to come back soon mate!

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

That is awesome and it is not even one of the ones I read about on other sites lol.

will the 60v batt work with a stock 2022 surron xx ludicrous edition and would it affect power? also can it be used with a 1.7″ seat drop?

glad I saw Chi-rash battery video, kept me from buying one

Are their controllers just as good as their batterys? How does the ebmx x9000 compare to the bac8000 and the ko?

Amazing! Thank you.

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching Bryan

Do they make these SKI cells in bigger amp hours? where can I purchase these cells from?

Well done 😊

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Junior 👊

Solid 👍🏼

I cant wait to get my hands on one of these batteries, I'm already on my secnds stock Sur-Ron battery in less than a year

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

yes they are a huge upgrade :)

We’re can we see the battery settings , I’m sure mine has been played with by someone and I’m not sure how to set it back up correctly, when u hold the button for 3 seconds goes into some sort of settings

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

EBMX website tech support page

What app are you using to communicate with the BMS?

@matthew_wauters

Жыл бұрын

The ANT BMS app

When you say you've de-rated the ANT 400A BMS, what is the current limit set to? Any ETA on the more powerful batteries?

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

300amps set limit to protype more powerful batteries being made now - ETA 3-4 months to market

Certifications? Thank you for sharing this video. Do you have any certification testing completed for your batteries? UN DOT 38.3 - Yes / No? UL 2271- Yes / No? Others?

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Yes Blake we have certification and test certificates these are available to customers - UN38.3 and CE - we are unable to sell around the world without these.

@GroovyVideo2

4 ай бұрын

Pouch cells

Love the video. Love the continuous improvement. How can I know if my battery is v1 or v2? If it’s not potted, could I get it potted under the warranty? Would love to ensure those 10 years!

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

hi Mate.. if you can PM us with the serial number and purchase details we can confirm but 99% sure it will be potted.

What IP rating ? Or is it just a sunny day battery ? Make at least IP67

Is the battery percentage display based on voltage or is it based on actual amp hours, AKA coulomb counting?

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Based on voltage. The most accurate way to monitor battery % is to use the app to connect to the BMS.

@jimlahey5354

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme thanks. Seems like a step back though. The stock surron battery display is based on Coulumb counting. Putting out an app and connecting via Bluetooth is a hassle. I see the chi battery is moving away from a voltage base display. Do you guys have any plans to upgrade? Seems like the Ant BMS needs a connection to the display.

Thank you very much for sharing all this amazing content! This is truly a state of the art battery. I have been trying to find any catalog of these battery cells from SK Innovation, their pouch li-ion cells seems very interesting but have been unable to find any extra information, not even a contact email… any help from you guys would it be very gratefully if it is possible! Thanks again and keep developing this kind of engineering.

@matthew_wauters

Жыл бұрын

I dont think you will find much info. What do you want or need? send us an e mail directly and we may be able to help (look on the ebmx site).

Do you make any Sur ron batteries with 18650 cells or just these pouch batteries? What's the proven lifespan of these pouch Cells versus 18650 cylindrical cells?

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Just use the lithium ion pouch cells like in this video. really depends on they make and quality of cells... but the cells we use out preform most of the small round cells you will find in batteries.

Can the talaria 60v battery charge, be read on the egg rider display?

@matthew_wauters

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it can. you need to enable the comms in the BMS. we have another video up for how to do this...

if the fire was enclosed in the case how would you know theres a fire ?

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

Ehhhh if one actually lit up you (and they) would definitely know about it. They are saying the runaway should mostly stay contained within the casing compared to other brands which might blow out the sides earlier. But if it did happen, hopefully you can get to it when it is smoking and before it becomes a flame torch. Eg. you could use gloves etc. to get it out of your bike / garage and to an external area to then be managed (not official advice, don't approach burning packs). I have not heard of this happening to anyone.

Best Sur Ron Battery for sure.

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

thanks for using Hoss.

@bernardhossmoto

Жыл бұрын

@@salesebmx4696 yeah, I'm using. I'm addicted to that sh*t 🤪

Will or can you make these type of batteries to suit other brands of bikes ???? .

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

trevor yes we do .. which brand and model ?

@trevor8672

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtremeGenuine Stealth Bomber 2019 . Not needing one just yet but now that I know you can supply these newer types of batteries for my bike there's no doubt that when I do you will definitely hear from me that's for sure . By the way thanks for the fast reply to my question to , it's much appreciated.

Pouch cells swell over time. If they're potted, they have nowhere to expand. Isn't that dangerous?

@BrunoPOWEEER

Жыл бұрын

Premium pouch cells don’t expand like cheap disposable RC lipo or other low quality pouch found on cheap products. Lots of premium electric cars and electric motorcycles use premium grade NMC pouch cells, Surron Ultra uses the same SK pouch cells and they’re potted too. Premium pouch cells are also used by the defence, some like the Kokam military grade made in Korea you can put a bullet through and they still working and no fire. Pouch is amazing!

@bardamari1852

Жыл бұрын

@@BrunoPOWEEER Any chance I could get the cell model number to read more about it?

@MotoAlias

Жыл бұрын

​@@bardamari1852 actually your supposed to use compression with pouch cells so they aren't able to expand. It prolongs their life. I imagine potting has a similar effect.

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

I have read a couple of posts from customers that said they had problems. And ebmx seems to have come through and replaced them. But they said that they had to wait quite a while. Like 5+ weeks. I guess their new battery pipeline is just like that. It would be interesting to see actual numbers about these faults from ebmx. Cos it is just something that happens sometimes with the tech and with enough builds and sales it seems possible.

Heat has no way to get out of these batteries. And elevated cell temperature is the number one cause of battery degradation.

@BrunoPOWEEER

Жыл бұрын

Hey Jim, These cells have a very low internal resistance so they run MUCH cooler than cylindrical cells Rated for 300A continuous which is over 21.6kW… it’s hard and impractical to ride such short wheel base bike at 15kW peak… Also when talking about degradation, we are so confident that EBMX is the only company giving 2 year warranty where all other companies only do 1 year or depending where you get it from = 0 months warranty and fingers crossed it’s going to work…

@jimlahey5354

Жыл бұрын

@@BrunoPOWEEER Hi Bruno, I would love to see a video where you ride it hard and show the temperature in real time. Talking about it is one thing but showing it is a whole another level. It does look like you guys have the best battery in the business right now. If you make a video that demonstrates it it's way more powerful in terms of transmitting your message. Cheers mate!

@surronzak8154

Жыл бұрын

@@jimlahey5354 yes with 3 thermistors, one in the middle of the pack, one on top and one on the side, temperature delta is important too, I want my battery to hold more than two years considering the high price tag. But I don’t think we will se such a test from anyone soon.

Does anyone have any idea where to get updated apk files for x9000? I think they forgot to update my controller before it shipped out. All the reviewers controllers worked for the reviews. Mine doesnt work at all. Maybe I am unlucky.

@marrzie467

Жыл бұрын

Matt doesnt have them. I have asked several times.

what happens if the battery is 35 celsius from sitting in the sun and you fast charge it at 20 amps

@surronzak8154

Жыл бұрын

No answer you get your answer

@BipoCosmo

11 ай бұрын

🫣...charging range is 0° - 45° C Charge rate ranges from .3 - .5C ( safely under 1C ) depending on model. Sir this is a Wendy's.

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

@@BipoCosmo For some context. In Australia just solar panels on roofs in summer sit at about 60c most days despite usually being rated for output at 22c. People don't ride their bikes much in winter ...

@BipoCosmo

10 ай бұрын

@@tau3457 hi there how's it going? 1. .3C - .5C and under 1C w/ "C" = battery [C]capacity 2. The BMS ensures safe charging temps and charge rates.

@tau3457

10 ай бұрын

@BipoCosmo good thanks. But we don't have those low temps in Australia where this company is from. 2 of our largest cities are tropical / subtropical temps. So more like 20-45c ambient and 25-60 in sun.

Lipo ftw very smart, i was wondering how it was possible to make thepack so slim

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching, leaning and the comment mate :)

@salesebmx4696

Жыл бұрын

Also mate these are NOT lipo they are Li-ion just in a pouch cell shape. That was one of the whole important points of the video.. you get that... yeah?

Does the bms have Bluetooth?

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Sure does.

@gunsgamesandmotors6517

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme sweet! do I use your app or a different one to check battery percentage? I have the KO controller but not sure how accurate it is

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

@@gunsgamesandmotors6517 ANT BMS is the right app.

you must have made this

Nice video but I prefer my battery in a plastic bag. Good luck

These are the best cells, manufacturers should not be using cylindrical cells anymore

Lithium ion is literally a lipo lol what

BuT iT´s fiRE PoUcH CelLSs..people like these not even knowing the difference between kW and kWh :D I work in battery testing and wonder whether you thought of the internal pressure of the cells, especially when potting the whole case. Usually you got a venting valve as every cell breathes a little bit. And pouch cells are, because the lack of a housing, breathing more then for example a cylindrical cell. Besides that, I think you can ignore the haters and confidently advertise your 3rd party batteries as best on market..

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

The cases are not 100% sealed and can vent that’s why they are not waterproof. Thanks for your feedback mate.

@christianwagner6244

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme the kW and kWh was meant for the haters ;) Thanks for the reply!

@joem8601

Жыл бұрын

@@EBMXtreme Question and not a hater I just wanna know what if I ride on the boardwalk/ocean and stop to charge at my usual spot on the boardwalk when my bike quickly gets soaked from all the moisture/mist? Happened to me about 1-2 months ago I put my jacket to cover my chibattery and my charger also didn't seem to get affected But would you recommend a non waterproof battery in my situation/this situation? Even the floor was very wet and I lost traction... the bike was really getting wet and it was happening fast And even though I was on the boardwalk it was far from the ocean, about 270 feet away

@BrunoPOWEEER

Жыл бұрын

@@joem8601 every battery should be extremely waterproof, specially cylindrical cells as they’re steel case and rust pretty quickly with any moisture inside the pack. You’re riding the battery was warm then you left it charging (much lower current than when you’re riding) so your battery cooled down and if not potted, it probably absorbed moisture from that very wet marine air. Pouch cells are vacuum sealed aluminium foil with external plastic coasting, these survive much better if moisture is present (and the battery isn’t potted). Usually marine moisture is very corrosive too so try to give a quick rinse over the bike after exposing in scenarios like that otherwise lots of steel parts will start to rust (even stainless steel parts as they’re all 304 and not 316 marine grade stainless). Cylindrical cells are regular steel

@BrunoPOWEEER

Жыл бұрын

@@christianwagner6244 Hey Christian!! Thaaaanks for this really nice and positive comment mate and asking about very interesting technical details =] •Pressure vent valve on the battery case: this is extremely important on non-potted devices where there’s a lot of “lose and free air” inside the battery case and the pressure significantly varies when the internal case temperature increase and decrease. This is a 95% (maybe 97%) fully potted battery so there’s pretty much zero air inside this battery case. •Internal cell pressure: pouch cells have an internal vacuum, no air inside (Lithium chemical reacts to the water present in the air) so inside the cells you only have separators, chemicals, minerals like copper, aluminium etc and electrolyte solution. In this case the stainless box (+ fibreglass and potting) gives the structural/mechanical and external protection to the pouch cells. Cells shouldn’t breathe, this would introduce air and moisture inside and rapidly damage the cells. Cells are completely sealed for a reason. Depending on the cell (form-factor and brand) you can slightly smell “electrolyte” vapour when opening the battery case that isn’t potted. Premium pouch cells are very very different to cheap pouch cells (RC and what you find inside most electronic devices). Anyway, thanks for your comment mate… so much POWEEEEEER ohh yeahh!!

Best in the world

@EBMXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Albi 💯

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