welcome back! do we have any data on when Chinese goldfish breeders first encountered the 3 mutations you outlined from the painting - the split lobed tails, telescopic eyes and the loss of dorsal fin? additionally, the appellation 'ranchu' when do breeders begin to use that term? both china and japan had extensive and sophisticated beurocratic systems government oversite well before the Ming Dynastic Era and given the elevated status placed on the goldfish by this time in their development documentation like breeding records, royal household inventories, gift registeries of the various noble houses and even import/export documentation from pre-1400 records likely contain highly detailed descriptions of various fish characteristics - has anyone ever done a deep dive into those sources to compile that kind of data?

we missed you.. this is my best youtube channel.

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Safak. This means a lot to me

Welcome back! We missed you!!!

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Man, thank you. That means a lot to me.

another very informative video, thank you :)

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Joanna!

Great video!

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Ron!

I love the new presentation style and formation of the video. The art is beautiful.

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Chey for your feedback. I figured out a better and efficient way to do PIP (picture in picture) recording. Will show you in my later video.

This historical artistic journey on the ancestor of the Ranchu goldfish is extraordinary. The art of brush painting is exceptional. Very good Lei

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Marco, thank you for your kind words. That means a lot to me

一直听说过这幅图 明宣宗的 “鱼藻图”， 但没有机会见到真容。这是研究金鱼非常珍贵的历史资料。谢谢你的细心讲解和分析。

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

谢谢，许教授的鼓励！我也是最近刚从 何为教授 那里得到的这个资料

Good. Thank you.

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

great video, thanks for sharing, new subscriber here

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Welcome to the club!

I love learning about goldfish history! Their family tree is also very interesting to me. Do you know where celestial eye goldfish came from, since they have large eyes but also lack a dorsal fin?? i think a genetic study might have shown that the mutation for no dorsal fin happened multiple times, but i might be forgetting.

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Hi *Juliet* , Celestial goldfish *first appeared in 1870* (Qing Dynasty) in the Forbidden City, Beijing, China exclusively for the imperial family. You are probably right about the dorsal mutation. One of my classic *Chinese Goldfish Books published in 1904* clearly defined *two types of celestials:* (1) *Celestial Fish* , no dorsal fin, smooth back like today's celestial goldfish, and (2) *Celestial Dragon* with a dorsal fin

@thrice42

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoldfishCorner Thank you, that is very interesting!!

If this goldfish paining is real, Chinese goldfish history may be rewritten such as when egg fish created, and when three-lobed tail appeared.

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Probably

Hi can you do a video where you talk about the traditional chinese way to keep goldfish? No filter, thanks😊

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, actually I will talk about it during my next interview with Joanna. Plan to release it next week. Stay tuned! Here is the link to Part I of the interview: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gISqsLqBerXViNI.html

@andrisani6658

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoldfishCorner Just seen the first part, fantastic, especially the small part about the traditional Chinese method. I would like to know a lot more about this method😂😂, great guys

@GoldfishCorner

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrisani6658 Yeah. I will talk about it in the next release. As you said, easier said than done. I plan to make a series of videos to disclose this old technique with my tank

@andrisani6658

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoldfishCorner thanks a lot