oh my god, thank you! I'm AuDHD/OCD/traumatized and while I have a decent sense of direction IRL, I have this experience in games, especially Fallout. even this morning I had a hell of a time leaving Dunwich Borers in FO4. my least favorite is the Tunnel of Love in FO76... the exit door marker does nothing for me, I *will* spend ten minutes after the event ends just trying to leave the damn building. and I'm always overencumbered because like in real life, I "need" everything. it's so stressful. I think I've done the Power Armor thing too. I'm just really happy I'm not alone.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

You are definitely not alone 😂 and yeah - I’ve definitely noticed I have a sense of direction/space as a pedestrian in the real world that I don’t have in video games or while driving. Brains!

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

And yes I have had that EXACT situation in the tunnel of love 😂

@marblemunkey

27 күн бұрын

​@@lindsaysfallout Okay, now I'm curious how this would change in Fallout 4 VR. Would it make navigating better or worse for you?

Fov slider will fix the lack of spatial awareness. a lot of games will put blinders on you so you can see the small stuff.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

I never thought of using fov to fix this problem. Worth playing around with.

@Lordoftheapes79

26 күн бұрын

​@@lindsaysfalloutyou'd be surprised how the settings(of any game really) can completely change your experience. Over the years, I've compiled a mental list of settings I immediately look for the second I have access to settings and customize them.

@user-om8pb8ob9i

25 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout if your screen is close to your face, then changing FOV settings will probably help. however, if you're playing on console, you may have to install a mod unfortunately. however, i have found that switching to the "third-person" camera helps with navigating the environment. it really bothers me that even with bethesda's latest game, starfield, they did not include an FOV slider at launch. I think they added it in later, but these are basic features!

I struggled with the same frustration in dungeons as you described. My ex, told me “you should go every place ,except we’re you’re “supposed” to go.” It’s better. It took the pressure off. Instead of trying to find my way in frustration, the paradigm shifted to “I’m just wandering around to see if I missed things”. I know this won’t help everyone, but if it helps anyone it was worth sharing.

I'm fortunate enough to not have experienced this kind of negative response from myself when dealing with "Bethesdaisms" such as what you described. So glad the mod community is able to provide you with some kind of help with this! Also I'll say this every time I see one your videos, it is so engaging to hear you talk! Your smart and eloquent presentation is rare these days. Keep creating, it's been a blast 🫡💙

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Aww thank you! 😊

It felt so good hearing someone articulate the way i feel when i have to find my way through a vault or warehouse. I have played a game my partner and i were playing together gotten lost and just quit the game with our character lost in some warehouse or vault.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Thanks, that means a lot. I'm really hoping this video connects more with people who know about or care about this experience rather than the git good crowd who wants everyone on earth (other than them) to stop complaining 🤣🤣

@MementoAmora

27 күн бұрын

YES. Even in BG3, the goblin camp might as well be a maze. I get SO lost in places with repetitive patterns, it's not even funny. The feeling of dread I get when I'm going past the same door that leads to a bathroom for the 90th time while trying to find my way out of a building in Fallout is also the opposite of great. And I'm not even diagnosed with anything, so that is a (debatable) neurotypical's take too. Also, the BoS part in New Vegas was just absolute h e l l. Only did it in one playthrough because I couldn't even fathom going back to that place. If frustration has a home, it's right there.

the beating your own heart thing feels very relatable if i understand it properly

As far as Skyrim goes, use the Clairvoyance spell. It is a little quirky, but it draws a line on the ground and takes you where you need to go.

@thelemon5069

25 күн бұрын

You know using that spell a ton I'm now realizing it's totally kinda an accessibility spell lol

this is one of the most validating videos I've ever watched ❤ thank you for posting this

Have you tried using the V.A.N.S perk? Ive never used it myself but i believe it draws a path to wherever your quest marker is.

@melissaparsons6575

26 күн бұрын

It’s a must for me. 👍

@ingni123456

26 күн бұрын

Did they fix vans? I remember it as only working in VATS, which is basically useless. I accept I don't have the same issues as others here, but trying to work out where my quest is via VATS combat sounds like a hassle to me.

@FleyDragon

26 күн бұрын

​@@ingni123456 you don't have to be in combat to use vats. You can hold down the button to activate it.

@melissaparsons6575

12 күн бұрын

@@ingni123456 I play on PS4. For me VANS works out of Vats, but it makes the same noise. This is true pre and post update.

Wow! I'm a software developer, and I push for accessibility in my company. It not only helps people who NEED it, but also those who WANT it, it is doubly worth the "effort" to male something accessible I'm hoping to one day develop games and include accessibility features with many customisable options to suit someone's exact needs/wants. Discalculia is something I had never considered as needing support in my games (except for lists) so this really opened my eyes!! I'll definitely be looking for resources around discalculia assistance when creating my games and how best to support 🥰 You are seen and cared for! Inclusion makes a better experience for us all

As someone who is dyscalculaic, I have never had any issues with special awareness or navigation. Quite the opposite actually, which is why I was so surprised at the premise of this video. I guess thank you for sharing and teaching new insights into something that affects me, only very differently! 😁✌️

Very ironic that Tim Cain talked about hating the 'git gud' mindset just yesterday.

@lindsaysfallout

26 күн бұрын

I commented on that video!! I was like "so weird, I am literally trying to upload a video about this right now"

As someone on the other side of this, I'm also frustrated. For some reason I got the type of neurodivergence that makes me really good at most video games, but on the flip side I have a compulsion to finish games (like, I can actually start getting anxious and frustrated if I spend too much time away from a game without fully completing it). Sometimes, I have to look up how to get really obscure achievements or beat a really hard optional boss or whatever, and that usually involves asking the community for help. _The amount of times I have gotten "get gud" as practically the sole response to my inquiries makes me want to put a hole in my monitor._ Like, has the gaming scene as a whole really become so averse to people asking for help that they feel the need to be openly hostile to anyone asking questions? I don't get it.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

From what I'm hearing, we're on the same side of this! 🤣🤣 You may not have my direction issues, but you and I are definitely on the same page with the "must close out this open mental ticket" issue. And I feel the same way - the drive some people have to be hostile toward people asking questions really needs to be addressed in a more constructive way, because we're all feeling it and none of us like it, not even them.

Thanks for vocalizing feelings I also have. First video of yours I've seen, but I look forward to seeing more

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@thanostoao7408

27 күн бұрын

@lindsaysfallout hey really, I didn't have a lot of time to make a comment, but wanted to appease the algorithm. I listened to the video while driving and I really want to make sure you know I really liked how you put words to feelings that I didn't have words for. I don't have the same spacial awareness issues, but some of the other things yousaid were very relateable

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

@@thanostoao7408 That really means so much to me, thank you for taking the time to share that 💖💖

This video is such an amazing encapsulation of what it's like to have your own brain get in the way of something you enjoy. For me it's tabletop gaming rather than video games, but damn if this isn't incredibly relatable anyway.

Glad to see I’m not the only one that gets lost in the BOS bunker every playthrough

It's a relief to hear other people say they struggle with this. I've gotten frustrated to the point of feeling physically ill when I tried to get through certain buildings...at that point I just say screw it and noclip my way to the objective, but I feel like I shouldn't have to take a step that drastic just to keep enjoying the game.

@lindsaysfallout

26 күн бұрын

Thank you! It’s a relief that I’m getting so many comments like this of other people who get with this is like as well!

THANK YOU this is so relatable, and the Hidden Valley bunker is a perfect example… I’ve spent countless hours in New Vegas but getting lost in that thing and inside Hoover Dam happens every damn time istg 🤯 I found my brain handled Jedi Fallen Order MUCH better, where the map was actually a 3D projection of the space I could rotate and see from all angles, instead of a flat drawing of a space I can’t conceptualize mentally.

1: I’ve experienced this so much, I can’t count how many times I’ve been halfway through a quest and just get so over stimulated to the point where I just want it to be done I stop enjoying playing the game. 2: I hate that the”get good” has grown into a toxic response, I understand where it came from in the Demon/Dark Souls days. The feeling of overcoming an obstacle that felt only moments before as nearly impossible is very intoxicating. Now though it has becoming something ugly spouted off in non-helpful ways.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

You are not alone! WE are not alone! 🥳(We are all together, and very very lost! 😂)

@shanemartin6300

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout I remember playing a game once that had compass markers, but you could also hit a button and a little trail would show up to lead you towards the goal and it lasted for like 10-15 seconds. I feel like this would be a good staple in games for stuff like this.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

@@shanemartin6300 Disney Dreamlight Valley has that and it is glorious!!

I get the same type of frustration a lot, and what I end up doing in bethesda games is just cheating my way out of the spiral. I mostly use teleport commands to take me to a quest place if i've been there before, or to get out of mazes. I try to limit their use because abusing them ends up cheapening the whole experience imo. I loved that in Fo76 you can fast travel from inside buildings (but they removed interior maps which makes it really frustrating when i'm trying to backtrack or explore where I haven't been. Also rotating minimaps - I always turn those off - having North be fixed helps a LOT with orientation, and just in general navigation knowing the cardinal directions easily is a huge help.

Ooo this ones been awhile... KingGath, the guy who made SimSettlements, his first mod was this settler mod that I think was called "Salvage Beacons" or something like that. What it adds to your game is a work station for a settler and these craftable beacons. How it works is you put these beacons in a container along with your junk and your settler will go and get it and put it in the workbench for the settlement they come from. It's a really convenient mod.

Even though i have Autism and Asperger i do have a great sense of direction, because most of the time i know where i am and how to exit the location and i have noted that once i found a path that i like i never find another, for example in Fallout 4 i go from Vault 111 to Concord and after i go west towards Abernathy Farm and Walton's pond and i continue until i reach the Nuka World transit, afterwards i go south towards Greygarden. But i do get lost sometimes inside Oblivion and Skyrim dungeons, those locations are really a maze and especially Aylied ruins

Oh gosh! The thing you described about making your heart beat every time it's needed is so precise for me - as a teenager I experienced asthmatic episodes so severe that even after taking all my meds I had to try to sleep sitting on a bed and forcefully make my body inhale every time. You've unlocked that memory! I'm autistic too, and though I'm good with directions, I have another problem - AVA, I have big troubles percieving speech if it's not a studio mic quality sound, or voice is muffled, etc. And I've just imagined if games wouldn't have subtitles... that'd be a nightmare to navigate a plot in that case. I feel your pain T_T I wish our favourite franchise was more accomodated to all kinds of neurodivergent needs. It feels like it's a specific interest for so many autistic people out there

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

OMG I definitely struggle with understanding what people are saying more than the average myself. Definitely sounds like you're having a greater struggle in that regard, but the worst for me is people with accents. And I feel horrible, because I know I'll show dysregulation if I'm upset trying to understand, and then I feel even worse for possibly appearing racist or bigoted in someway. I just hate being confused/lost 😭😭

@Mirrima

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout Oh yes, I understand that very much! Especially as I watch mostly English speaking content makers, and English is my second language (technically third, but I don't practice French last decade, so it became second in terms of knowledge). But because of this audio perceprion struggle I can't watch shows with original voices because they try to make the speech sound autentical (covered with noises, whispered etc), that I lose all the sense on the way. And also the struggle in real life - I can't even count how often my uni mates were angry at me because I didn't help them with answers, but it was just because I was not capable to decifer their whispering🙈🙈🙈

Firstly, you are wonderful and your experience is valid and people care! I experience this too and jokingly refer to it as my "directional insanity," as la Chidi from The Good Place. I wonder if it's related at all to another experience I have with multi-player. I am a terrible leader. The amount of times I hear my friends say, "oh, we are moving?" Or lose track of them completely... I wonder if it's somehow related

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

You are so sweet! Thank you! It’s gotta be related. I struggle with multiplayer and it breaks my heart, I would love to have a 76 crew, but every time my brain says “nope.”

@Shakespearmint

27 күн бұрын

@lindsaysfallout I've been trying State of Decay 2 with my sister and a few close friends. We learned very quickly that there is a distance tether, so if I get too far away it just spawns them where I am. It feels like the digital version of being the kid on a leash haha

Not sure if this might help, but I tend to use the "stick to a wall" method when I'm looking in unfamiliar places, or games without a decent minimap for indoor spaces (looking at you, Fallout 76, just a couple of days ago I got into a massive cave which I was only able to figure my way around like that). The basic premise is, you choose a direction (left or right only) when you first load in to a place, and keep following that particular wall. If you get lost, doesn't matter, you only need to remember which wall you chose to follow at the start of the maze. The way mazes/interior locations get populated in games means that you will always end up back at the starting point eventually. Or at least an exit. Of course, you then might need to go back in and try following the other wall, if you end up in a particularly segmented dungeon, but beats having to spend spoons dropping breadcrumbs and then remembering to follow them back. Another potentially helpful trick might be dropping a piece of loot at the entrance of rooms you fully explored. Then you know there's nothing beyond that doorway. I do a slight variation of this by making sure I open all the doors, so when I get to an open door, I know I've already been to that room. But I do not have the same limitations as you, merely keeping the doors open might not be enough. Also, I do think playing with someone else (or multiple someones) that can be your GPS if or when you need it can be an excellent choice. If a lack of a GPS is the problem that keeps you from fully enjoying a game, and if the game doesn't natively accommodate your needs, anything you need to do to get that GPS which will allow you to enjoy the game is valid, IMO.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Stick to the wall! Yes, I have used that method before but I totally forgot about it. It’s really friendly to my autism too because it keeps me focused. ❤ also my new roommate is an amazing human GPS but he’s been away 😆

As other people have mentioned, you might want to take the V.A.N.S. perk (which is an Intelligence perk you can take no matter what, since it unlocks at Intelligence 1) and see if that helps any. It allows you to generate a green "path" tracer towards your nearest objective when you enter V.A.T.S. mode. I don't have quite the same spacial dyscalculia, but I do often find myself lost in Fallout and retreading the same ground, and VANS helps get around that (particularly when I want to get out of a building once I've done all the things I want to in it).

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Yes! I need to get in the habit of using this! I wish it could have helped with the situation described 😭

@Stray7

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout Yeah, I find it mostly useful for when I'm trying to get out of a place, rather than find a thing. This is especially true if I'm just going into a building blind, no quest at all, because I'm curious and want to explore, rather than trying to find any particular thing. I wonder if there's mods to modify how VANS works, but that's not going to help on a Vanilla playthrough.

I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, took all the pills etc. I listened to your essay, had a hard time relating at first, but as i kept listening, it clicked with me. I remember when I was a child having to do math homework, I just couldn't bring it into focus no matter what I did. I remember feeling overwhelmed and humiliated, felt defective. I don't know if my brain has changed or I've just developed hundreds of coping mechanisms i don't notice. I can't relay directions at all, I have some sort of mental map in my head but I couldn't reguritate how I just went for anything. The "get good" stuff, it can be hard to ignore. during covid I went at all the dark souls games trying to just go through them and i got decent at it. But I ended up hating it, realized I should play the games for fun and not for any other reason. If I got good it didn't really matter. As an aside there is a perk in fallout 4 VANS that will show you where to go through VATS, also a spell Clairvoyance in skyrim that does the same thing.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

You may have coping mechanisms you don’t notice, but if you don’t notice them (and they don’t exhaust you) then that’s awesome! 🎉 I would love to have workarounds that weren’t so costly, but I always feel mine too hard to bear, so I just gotta be gentle with myself, and spend time with people who are gentle with me too. Thanks for the tip on VANS, I’m hoping I can work it into my gaming habits and it makes a difference for me. It looks like the most practical vanilla solution.

@trekker105

27 күн бұрын

​@@lindsaysfalloutPlus, one of the expansions added a second rank that gives you an additional two to perception, essentially refunding the perk points spent.

Where they chose to put the fast travel points are just ridiculously random. My reasoning on what fast travel points should represent is a point your character chooses as a staging area when they come back. Thus, it makes a whole lot of sense for there to be an easily located container nearby, and you shouldn't be popping up in the middle of a horde of Super Mutants.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

I have had this thought. I was actually just reminded today that I need to reinstall a mod that changes the fast travel points in New Vegas.

I think you raise a very interesting point when it comes to neuro-divergent people experiencing video games. It would be nice if a company like Zenimax/Bethesda were proactive on a title creating two versions, one in their normal well known style and one that is scaled down somewhat and simplified for that audience. It would be an interesting experiment at the very least, and could potentially open up a whole new market of people who maybe steer clear of complicated games.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Yeah! I don't even think they would need to do that - just put accessibility settings in the game. That's how most software does it.

@ubernoobage3548

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout Yep. Afterwards I was thinking about how modern games have started to include a colour blind setting after people kept requesting it and it made me think similarly.

As someone who by no means has dyscalculia, I genuinely agree that a lot of Bethesda's dungeon design is actually terrible. The corvega assembly plant is a nightmare. There is no reason why someone who has played the entire game dozens of times with thousands of hours should get lost for 10 minutes trying to find the leader of the raiders there. And honestly the Corvega assembly plant is the tip of the iceberg with the issues. It's not just that Bethesda doesn't design for neurodivergency, they just genuinely are bad at dungeon design.

All the different flavors of neurodiversity. I am AuDHD and dyslexic as well. My dyslexia hinders my read and writing. I have a pretty strong mental mapping of my surroundings but even fallout I get very lost within the “dungeons”. Asset reuse creating so many same looking stairwells, etc. I found your channel because of your fallout series character reviews but I am also very happy to see this is a neurodivergent friendly space

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Happy you found me! I'm hyperlexic, so I have all the problems on the opposite side of the spectrum from you... over-explaining, obsession with precise words... I'll never communicate enough to satisfy my hyperlexia 😂😂 I would say this video and the show analysis are both on brand of what this channel is going to be, because I think I'm always going to be interested in bridging game concepts with real life concepts in a multitude of ways. Probably not gonna see basic Let's Plays or like, settlement building here.

I don't know if this helps but I'm awful at remembering directions as well. I was playing Mass Effect and getting lost since every room seemed to look exactly the same as the last. My friend suggested that I imagine the room as a box and rotate the box in my mind as I moved through it. It worked for me but I understand it might not work for everyone.

My spouse is also ADHD and Autistic. No wonder I automatically enjoyed the vibe :)

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Haha! We love the people who love us! 😂 I need to find one bad 😂

love this channel 👍

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! Hopefully I’ll get my technical issues figured out soon and get more out to y’all

i'd love to hear your opinions on what would make areas more navigable. would it help if there were more unique and memorable visual features? are there types of interior layouts that are easier to navigate, like if they are symmetrical or not?

I thought it was just a me thing! I have suspected that i might have discalculia, I constantly get lost in fallout games. I hate that there are so many floors but the map shows it as a single layout. I end up wasting so much time thinking i missed the objective walking in circles and getting very frustrated when the entire time i was on the wrong floor and missed a staircase i hadn't seen before

I agree! Still have a hard time with the nav on fo4 - I’m used to games like RDR2 with the mini map and the highlighted trail which helps so much. I have to constantly check my pip boy to make sure I’m facing the right direction to where I wanna go and the slider thing at the bottom does nothing for me lol

it really blows how harsh people can be when it comes to "difficulty"/skill differences. i remember breaking down over math homework as a kid bcus it just didn't make sense, and unfortunately i got the whole "it shouldn't be this hard for you, you're just not trying hard enough" bullshit. 100% recommend looking into accessibility mods to make playing easier - i know it gets exhausting having to put in the extra work, but i'd argue its always worth advocating for yourself - & fuck anyone who just tells you to "git gud", those people are chuds lmao

@lindsaysfallout

25 күн бұрын

This this this. You’re speaking my language. Exactly. People don’t get how relentless this feedback can be.

Some of the dungeons in Fallout 4 can be incredibly hard. The quest that sends you from Vault 88 to Hallucigen comes to mind. Navigating the Hallucigen building is wild. That's my least favorite part of the Vault 88 DLC. I'd love to watch you stream Fallout 4, and I'd be more than happy to help you navigate when I can. I'd say go for it. Are you thinking KZread, Twitch or somewhere else?

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

I imagine I would do it here, since the only audience I imagine I would draw to it would come from here, so seems convenient. What do you think?

@unexpectedbagel6164

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout Seems reasonable to me. I’ll hafta make sure I get notified about future streams you may do.

just a random video I found and It speaks so well to my own neurodivergence ☺

@lindsaysfallout

25 күн бұрын

It’s rough huh 😭

That sounds rough. I know I have that problem until I've played a game enough to where it's iny memory. I wanted to ask though if you knew about the perk V.A.N.S. in vanilla Fallout4? It will overlay a lit pathway to your closest active objective marker. Just keep an unfinished quest in your "to do" list and it could even used to find ways out. I this is helpful.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Actually, yes! I forgot to bring this up! I do have that perk in Fallout 4, but it seems to never be applicable when I need it. Like in the scenario I mentioned in the video, I was looking for my power armor, not a quest marker, so it didn't apply. But it's definitely better than nothing. I hope in the future Fallout treats this like an accessibility need instead of a perk though.

@jamesbaird128

24 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout I coulda guessed that. I gotta say, your idea to drop different pieces of junk in rooms you've been in is brilliant.

So... Skyrim is as old as time and I still don't know the way to high hrothgar. Every single year since launch, I've had that urge to play a lil bit of Skyrim, and in every single playthrough, I'm getting lost, ending up in Ivarstead, giving up and trying to parkour up untill I find a road. Only found the right path once, and to this day I've never seen it again.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Omg 😂 so relatable. I still use Skyrim-horse as a verb, like “I had to Skyrim-horse up a wall like spider-man”

Yeeeaahhh i feel this 😅🎉 based asf. Playing Dark Souls was a fantastic challenge and I learned my way around there the hard way. Since I discovered Well Rested / Lover's Embrace only lasts 8 hours, I have to fast travel everywhere via the Institute's teleporter. It's starting to bother me 😅

I always wanted to play video games when i was younger but i was so bad at them my brother and his friends would make jokes about me and wouldn't help me understand how to play. When i get lost in fallout i get extremely stressed . I get what you're saying here

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

It’s a thing! And everyone being mean doesn’t help! I really feel like people just don’t grasp that they really are people that can’t do this, we’re not just being impatient or not valuing the skill, our brains just literally can’t do it. There isn’t enough education in this world to prepare people for the reality of how truly different all of our brains are. But Bethesda and major video game developers should be aware.

I don't know if you've ever played '7 Days to Die' That game uses a "follow the light" path for navigating points of interest. You can literally just move toward the most obvious light source, and find a ladder, or a door. Then once in that room/hallway you look for the next light bulb, or table lamp, or shop light. I often think of 7Days when I think of Fallout, it's got that survival scavenging and modifiable weapons vibe down.

@domongart9331

27 күн бұрын

I always turn off the 7th day horde, because I don't like time pressure. It's got lots of customize options, *and* you can change the options for a given save file at any time, you could even just turn off all the enemies if you wanted to just build a giant base without being attacked, and then turn them back on again. Makes me wonder if one or more of the devs are a bit neurodivergent.

@lindsaysfallout

26 күн бұрын

Dang, if only I have infinite hours in a day, I think it would be fascinating to make a video about different UX approaches to different ND/accessibility concerns. That would probably be for the other channel tho.

I'm grateful that I don't have it that bad, but I still do get lost in like every dungeon: the only reason I dont ge lost in the srarting dungeins in FO4 anymore is because ive done them so many times. hbmberguy did an amazing job talking about how now recent fallout games are impossible if you don't follow quest markers - and Bethesda doesn't have good question markers half the time.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

I gotta check out the hbomberguy video. Unfocused Bethesda hate irritates me, but gee golly is criticism warranted sometimes.

I relate to this so much.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

It’s so hard right?? 😭

That sounds awful, I'm sorry you have to go through it constantly

OMG I'm not the only one!

5:36 ok i also struggled with that. that place was sort of a nightmare

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Right??? 😂

I find it interesting that I struggle with things you struggle with in game are things I exclusivley struggle with irl and yes lacking accomodations are so frustrating, and you have to deal with that shit doing a leisure activity, while nondisabled ppl would probably find the accomadations we need infanitlizing I believe any difficulty in gaming should be optional and not the default, adding accomodations you can customize shouldnt be considered a demand to use them by nondisabled players.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

You get it, you get it, you get it! I wish I had used that wording in this video - that a big issue is that a lot of the neurotypical (or folks who believe they are NT) gamer crowd find our accommodations infantilizing. Because they think it’s weak and shameful to need what we need, which is why “ableism” is a word. You’re right, we should at least have the options/settings, and if anyone thinks we’re infantile for that, that’s their problem!

I don't know if it helps, but I think video game dungeons tend to be uniquely hard to navigate. I don't think I have discalcula, math was my weakest subject, but in a "gifted kid" way, and my IRL sense of direction is above average while walking (but completely goes away in a car, part of my autistic aversion to driving), and I still feel like I spend over half my time in any video game dungeon being lost unless I use mods, look things up, or otherwise "cheat". Like, maybe the "git gud" crowd is fine, but I'd bet the hypothetical "average" Fallout 4 player spends several total hours lost per playthrough. I really think game developers would find even their users without disabilities happier with their experience if they made these things easier to navigate.

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Totally!! I mean I was trying to sound humble, like an awareness that I understand the world doesn’t revolve around me, but I honestly agree with you. Making the games work better for us really couldn’t hurt the gamerbase as a whole!

I had this worse in morrowind, to a point it made me nauseous, had to stop or i had to throw up, otherwise i really like the game, but could never finish

I feel you on both the Halucigen Building and downtown Boston in general. Just wondering, have you tried the V.A.N.S. perk. It helped me when I got lost in buildings when I first started playing. don't think it would solve the confusing maps, but did it help at all?

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

A few people have mentioned it, and while I do have that perk in this character, I guess I still need to work it into my gameplay loop habits 😆

Dawg. ~tcl. No maze can contain you. Btw I giggle thinking you John-Wick a room of monsters and madmen, stone-cold, only to be disoriented and distressed

@lindsaysfallout

25 күн бұрын

Yeah yeah yeah, with mods and console commands we’re gods, I know, it would still be nice if game developers didn’t force us to have to do that!!

Yeah, you don't have to be neurodivergent to be painfully lost by Fallout's quest tracking system. It's awful.

@lindsaysfallout

26 күн бұрын

Right? We were just talking about that, like it would make everyone's life easier if they made some changes.

@creepstadoodle3217

25 күн бұрын

I was going to the red racer factory in fallout 3 just today and it was just awful. There are so many similar looking room and then I died to a ghoul and had to do it all over again 😭😭

damn am i first?

@lindsaysfallout

27 күн бұрын

Looks that way! Your honor forever! 🎉🎉

@ethernetgirl2001

27 күн бұрын

@@lindsaysfallout ive never seen someone else with dyscalculia before. ill say i dont have the same struggles as you, in real life im pretty good at remembering routes and can generally find my way back to an area i recognize, but certain games can be really difficult. minecraft is the worst for me because its not a finite map, the new zelda games were also a struggle at times because of how big the map is. i didnt even realize this was something that other people struggled with because most of my friends dont have that issue at all, my boyfriend has played overwatch for a long ass time but it still baffles me how he has every single map memorized along with all locations of the health packs meanwhile i get lost and lead myself down dead ends almost every time i play. i didnt even know dyscalculia caused this because i never really looked into what my diagnosis meant other than that i cant do math.

I weirdly enough even though I have really bad dyscalculia have a remarkable sense of direction. I usually mod the fallout to play without HUDs often or disable fast travel I don't get lost too often. If you ever wanna join my little community come watch the stream ^-^ www.twitch.tv/Lemons_And_Leaves?sr=a