My god. A KZread video on vehicle regs by someone who is intelligent, literate and a genuine enthusiast - rather than yet more baiting, hyperbolic tripe. Subbed.

@ochayethegnu2915

Ай бұрын

Don’t worry, the comments are still full of conspiracy theories and scaremongering.

@interdec

Ай бұрын

Yeah, exactly what ajwrighr5512 said; sadly also what ochayethegnu2915 said too:

If you can get away with not telling the DVLA then don’t, they don’t even know their own rules and regulations. What they don’t know won’t hurt them, it’s bureaucracy gone mad now and it’s getting worse.

The elephant in the room here is the excruciating nature of dealing with the DVLA in any way at all. Very often these bureaucrats have liberal arts degrees and know nothing about motor vehicles. Rules, such as they are, are very often either not understood by said bureaucrats or applied with zero consistency. Over the years I have adopted a policy of avoiding any interaction with the DVLA if at all possible and it has stood me in good stead. Likewise classic MOT. I got so tired of MOT testers either not understanding classics or sometimes even damaging them, the MOT exemption was a blessed relief to me. A knowledgeable classic friendly MOT garage is essential, but getting ever harder to find as the old boys retire.

@joeedwards627

Ай бұрын

Absolutely completely correct

@mcirelandosharma7411

Ай бұрын

Yes it's simply about surrendering even more authority over your personal transport over to the govt.

@joeedwards9721

Ай бұрын

I've been in the motor trade for 40 years and deal with the DVLA on sometimes a weekly basis if not a monthly basis, they are the most incompetent, inept, most aggressive bunch of misinformed unhelpful halfwits you are ever unfortunately forced to deal with, as you know! It's unfortunate that the advice I give people is to tell them nothing and avoid them at all costs, I don't want people to do the wrong thing but dealing with the DVLA is like talking to a spoilt child

@ptonpc

Ай бұрын

For me, the loss of the local DVLA offices was a major blow. I know of people who have had major problems dealing with the DVLA. When I registered my classic, it was a case of going to the local office where knowledgable staff gave me advice, asked me a few questions, checked over the paperwork and said "No problem".

@mcirelandosharma7411

Ай бұрын

@@ptonpc true. It is this way for everything that controls our lives. The separation between the people that make decisions, and the people that have to live with those decisions. The decision makers know that when there's something people are unhappy with, they can just scream into the sky because there's no one and nowhere to go to complain and change it.

Finally, someone who has read an understood the consultation document then shared a factual assessment of it. Well done.

As an mot tester I have seen good and bad historic cars. I am of the age of having worked on early E type Jaguars and other cars of this age. Most are maintained to a very high standard , often coming for an "MOT" check which was not needed , but they wanted to make sure every thing was ok , especially the brakes and often to have a good look at the underside which I'm quite happy to do. Most owners are happy to have things pointed out which may give concern in the future or with use. Tyres are a major problem with cracking and flat spots, brake pads can glaze. The other extreme is someone who has botched things and is just concerned that it looks good on top,. We had one recently purchased as fully restored that was a death trap. The number of missing split pins , loose nuts ,bolts too short that only went into nuts a few threads...fuel pipes weeping, rubber fuel pipes of the incorrect type with no clips , linked brake pipes and brake imbalance that was unbelievable. The owner collected it on a trailer and took it back. Structural problems and the use of incorrect gauge steel is common , if in doubt ask I have seen chassis rails fabricated with body work steel , the reason ? It was easier. The DVLA can be a pain at times but they are trying to get things right. There used to be on KZread videos of a VW golf 1988ish bodyshell with corrosion being crashed at 30mph it collapsed inward...now think of a 1970 's saloon doing the same thing. As one idiot said to me, if I cover it with under seal you'll never know as you're not allowed to remove .it...

@gottliebdee263

Ай бұрын

No. the DVLA are NOT trying to get things right. Trying to get things right means mandating an inspection for everything that is on the road. Classic cars should have MOTs too. Why leave it to chance, mandate it and stop people that think they are competent mechanics from putting others at risk?

@waynestevens3662

Ай бұрын

An excellent overview. And dont think it is just the cheaper models.... ive seen Aston Martin DB's in an awfull state costing hundreds of thousands through auction. I know because i repair them😊

@colinhamer6506

Ай бұрын

Can you help me understand the MOT rule on welding in repair panels and spot welds not being acceptable. I've spot welded seems that where originally spot welded and been told by the MOT guy it needs to be seem welded 🤷‍♂️

@waynestevens3662

Ай бұрын

@@colinhamer6506 Spot welds in a factory are accurate, have the correct electrical energy applied to consistantly create a strong weld. An MOT tester cant guarantee your spot welds are going to hold, visually a seam weld that has no coating applied is easier to examine as a good repair than a spot weld. Of course there are guys that can create a seam weld on the edge of a metal panel that is bonded (ask me how i know)🤦‍♂ As a fabricator i have seen awful seam welds and great spot welds however if someone asked me which one i would pass it would be a seam weld every day. If its a factory look you are after try cutting 3mm of the edge of say your sill panel, seam weld (on a higher power setting to ensure penetration into the base metal), grind the seam welds flush (ive even using a cutting disk ground a fake lip in) then using a 6mm punch, knock fake looking dimples in a line to replicate the origonal spot welds. This repair also ensures no water getts between the panels. And im paid to do it this way on Classic Aston Martins😏

@RW-bi2rp

Ай бұрын

@@waynestevens3662 I think your actually making the vehicle more unsafe by seam welding, as spot welds act like stress relief when in an accident

What you explained is exactly what i thought when I read through. I have no idea why so many people are panicking over it all. 👍

Nice to see a well balanced video. I have many classic cars and also work on ev conversions, we can't have any extra holes or welding to them. The biggest issue weve found is the experience of the dvla inspectors as many of them dont knwo much about classic cars.

@stevebaker9709

Ай бұрын

Please stop converting old classic and historic cars to EV s there is no point .the pleasure and fun in owning a classic car is in the driving .if you want a car to drive like a. Modern computer on wheels then get a modern car and enjoy your classic has it should be 👍👍👍👍👍

@modscotsman

Ай бұрын

@stevebaker9709 you can't have been in a ev conversion then, they are as much fun as a petrol one. I've had plenty of sceptics out in the ev mini and everyone of them has loved it.

@paulharrison8152

Ай бұрын

@@stevebaker9709it won’t be long until you can’t get petrol to drive your classic. You might as well convert now and be ready for the end of petrol, which will happen.

@stephenhowe568

Ай бұрын

Come on boys don't bicker, classic cars will run on synthetic fuel, they don't do 1000s of miles a year so it shouldn't be too expensive to run.

Don’t tell ‘Em Pike 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Great presentation mate. You are absolutely right, get involved. Cheers.

Great video keep up the good work thanks

Excellent- extremely informative. Most grateful 🙏

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

A common modification to cars such as MG Midgets and Austin Healey Sprites is to fit a five speed gearbox. Depending on which box is used, this can necessitate alterations to the vehicle’s structure, which should presumably lead to an IVA test. However, a Spridget in standard form will not pass an IVA test without *further* modifications being carried out, for example switchgear meeting minimum radius requirements. It’s ridiculous that one area of the car is deemed acceptable for people to drive about in, but if a different area changes, then the acceptable becomes unacceptable.

@garypoulton7311

Ай бұрын

The provision for classic cars are there to ensure they are retained as items of historical interest, not to make it cheaper for job blogs to run a car. Personally I think only completely original cars should be eligible, and there should be MOTs every five years, or ten thousand miles. The no MOT thing will destroy the classic car movement, wait and see.

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

You've hit the nail on the head with the frustration many enthusiasts feel regarding modifications like fitting a five-speed gearbox to monocoque shell. It's a common upgrade that can enhance the driving experience, but it often comes with a catch-alterations to the vehicle's structure that may necessitate an IVA test. What adds to the frustration is the inconsistency in standards. While a standard Spridget might not pass an IVA test without further modifications, it seems unfair that certain modifications are deemed acceptable for driving while others are not. It's a classic case of the rules feeling arbitrary and out of touch with practicality. Hopefully, feedback like yours in the DVLA consultation can shed light on these inconsistencies and push for more sensible regulations that balance safety with the freedom to personalise our beloved classics.

@Callsign_Sturm

Ай бұрын

​@@garypoulton7311I'm more concerned with getting one of my 30 year old trucks I just bought running again, it being historically significant is hilarious to me being 90s era. We need to focus on improving society's ability to drive and think critically. Mandated collision avoidance systems are terrible for society. Definitely take weld classes and learn how to make welds that can pass an x-ray, but no mandates should exist on it.

Changing it from ice to ev should be a major change & a Q plate , because it's a lot heavier , also you would have to change the suspension to cope with it .

@longfordlongstone8057

Ай бұрын

Agreed- any EV conversion that doesn't re-engineer the suspension and braking systems seems like a recipe for disaster. New mass distribution, roll centers, radically different torque curve and output- it's a totally new vehicle and the stock running gear is almost certainly not going to have the tuning bandwidth.

@kyle8952

Ай бұрын

@@longfordlongstone8057 Don't be daft. When doing an electric conversion the first thing people do is look up what the weight carrying capacity of the car is. Add that number and the weight of the removed engine and full tank of petrol, and you have the exact amount of weight you can add in during the conversion without needing any changes like that. Sometimes that figure is too low and there's no way to fit enough batteries to make the effort worth it. Sometimes you can do it but you lose all your boot space. Other times it's entirely fine and you keep most your boot space. It's a bit "how long is a peice of string". As for roll centres, you do realize those are a function of suspention geometry, and aren't changed by payload...

In my opinion the Q plate is a dated idea. Anyone can check the status of a vehicle online now. There is a section at the front of the tax book that could be used to state the status of the car, in the way they do for insurance write offs. I think it only serves to make people hide what they have done if they have modified a car or some such. It would make much more sense if they kept the IVA test for the various reasons they have it now, issue a Q plate, but allow a private reg to be applied afterwards. (Meaning it can be rolled out to existing Q plate cars). This way much more people will be willing to come forward and present their car for an IVA test. Currently, it seems in most peoples best interest to avoid dealing with the dvla, when they could be offering people the chance to make their car fully legal for the cost of an IVA test. I think that If the car and engine are 40 plus years old it should be tax exempt, but if either are newer tax needs paid for. But I do think that a modified vehicle should always be mot’d.

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

That's actually a very good point. If people knew that a Q-plate was transferrable, they'd be more receptive to following the legitimate process. That said, so many people are totally oblivious to that process that it might not make as big a difference as it should. It's such a broken system.

I remember those torsion bars on marina.... Pretty soft... Good idea to change

Your explanation sounds pretty sensible to be. I’ve seen some pretty terrible custom projects over the years which really shouldn’t have been on the road. I fully support modification to vehicles but it has to be done right. These cars with stupid amounts of camber for example are stupid. It reduces tyre contact area and adversely affects how the tyre is loaded. It looks stupid and ultimately is unsafe. Having a car assessed by someone qualified to do so who has the power to say if something needs changing is a good idea. Just a shame it has to involve the dvla as we all know what they’re like. Cheers for the video. Very clear and easy to understand.

Cars = freedom. That must end 😂

@frankfisher99

Ай бұрын

It's exactly this. They hate personal freedom

@ochayethegnu2915

Ай бұрын

@@frankfisher99Let me guess - you’ll be voting for Reform on 4th July …

@ochayethegnu2915

Ай бұрын

Rubbish

@kyle8952

Ай бұрын

Cars stopped being freedom the moment the majority found they NEEDED to have one. There isn't any liberty in seeing a massive chunk of your wages vanish on a payment plan and running costs, just to sit in traffic jams in order to get to work, it's a financial trap. Someone earning the same wage as you but living close enough to walk there is laughing all the way to the bank.

Ouch , I built a !939 Austin 10 with MGB Engine , gearbox Front and rear suspension , great car fully complied with all MOT requirments ,the reg was KMY409 , a relative has built a Ford mustang and replaced all the running gear with Mercedes AMG an absolute projectile , again it compies with all the legal requirments ,

keep it to yourself its none of their concern what you do with your personal property, unlikely they even know what one of those cars look like anyway, do you think every shop or person knows what all the oem structure and components look like on a 40 year old car?

Q plates are nothing to do with age. They are to do with not being able to identify the original vehicle. So you could have a chassis from one vehicle, engine and drive train from another and bodyshell from a third. What is the original vehicle? Age is, and always was, irrelevant.

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

Correct. Q plates indicate a vehicle of "indeterminate age or origin".

@cedriclynch

Ай бұрын

​I will second that. I have an electric motorcycle that is not a conversion of anything but is entirely my own design. Some parts such as lights, brakes and mirrors originate from Honda, Yamaha, Volkswagen, Fiat etc and came from a breaker's yard. I got the vehicle registered in 1992 and it was issued a Q registration because I could not prove its date of manufacture.

I converted an 04 Freelander to electric and was able to get it past the DVLA without needing a IVA test by scrupulously avoiding drilling cutting or welding any part of the chassis. Even then I had to take it back a 2nd time for more photos to be taken. The ridiculous situation at the moment is the experts on the ground (MOT testers) with their eyes on the car cannot make the decision as to whether the car will pass or fail. They can only take photos and send them back the Swansea for someone to decide the road worthiness of your car from the photos.

Great upload! It is obvious, also to the DVLA, electrifying a classic is a significant change, sacrilege to its history, and devoid of any exemption. Basically useless to any historical significance, pleased to hear, scrapvalue! As a milkfloat fine, but to be kept away from any historical event.

@allangibson8494

Ай бұрын

Which also means changing the engine to a different manufacturers would be a significant change… Electric conversions are simply an engine change.

@user-et1id3hd5i

Ай бұрын

@@allangibson8494 It is most certainly not! Apart from the adaptation from the engine (mounts, bellhousing, drive adaptor) there have to significant improvements to the suspension to cope with extra battery weight, also the modification of the chassis / body floor to accommodate a battery. This adds up to a very significant change.

@allangibson8494

Ай бұрын

@@user-et1id3hd5i Depending on the battery pack size, losing the engine and transmission balances the weight change. Sacrificing load capacity permits bigger battery packs with no chassis or suspension changes. The final vehicles weigh almost exactly the same. There are bolt in conversion kits that are completely reversible for a number of classic cars like VW Beetles and Transporters and Land Rovers. The battery packs replace the engine and the motor replaces the transmission.

Thanks for that, my intention would be to keep it pretty close to what park royal put out.

The great irony of all this is that most "classic" cars that get modified, do si in order to make them better, safer etc. Having to re-register a car that has had the chassis strengthened, better brakes, better chassis geometry etc, or even an upgraded engine/gearbox is frankly bonkers, because the car is now less likely to cause problems than it would in it's original form. But then again as my father joked in about the year 2000, common sense has been outlawed.

Ah the marina start rattle and bang of the clutch when it lets go. Happy Days, Not! But you learned a lot.

My post seems to be deleted but essentially you're applying reregistering legislation to an already registered vehicle when there is no need. Notifiable changes are on the v5. Colour , fuel etc. Not changing a chassis leg. That comes under roadworthy. Modifications for safety & environmental performance are also allowed in the mot exempt legislation. Type approval is post 2003 vehicles on. C & U regs are what you look at.

Will the Queens old limos need testing before Charlie starts scooting about in them? After all they are all cut and shuts right?

I know of a couple of mot stations refusing to do a basic safety check on my 45yr old classic. They say either a full “on the system” mot or nothing. They said it’s not worth their time and they are busy enough with regular mot work. So I am having to go to a non mot garage to have it checked thru or do a full mot every year.

@edwilko8819

Ай бұрын

😂mot is a basic bear min standard of safty check so u either have a basic bear min check or spend more.money on a service standard inspection

@OH2023-cj9if

Ай бұрын

Every local council has MOT testing stations, use them.

Tye questions I have are if subjected to a test, how much of the test would be applicable? Would it be for altered components only? Who can identify stresses and strains in respect of large fabrication changes that could affect integrity?

If I have a rust hole in a chassis and simply weld a patch of metal over the top is this an allowable repair or a "modification". I strongly suspect the answer will depend on the mood of the official looking at the patch.

For the people who swap floor pans and reattach bodyshells or make a 4 door into a 2 door will be heading down the Q plate route?

Good explanation of the situation. I have been a member of the Federation for years as an individual. I have responded to the survey, but am worried about the outcome having little faith in DVLA or many of these Gov Departments. On the point of repairs, the panel might be right but what about the quality of the welding? Or the accurate positioning of critical members? I think the DVLa will come down on these aspects in far more detail where repairs have to be made by professional outfits not an enthusiast with a nice new MIG welder and no experience on a simple garage floor. Time will tell!

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Yes, the DVLA might impose stricter guidelines to ensure safety and structural integrity, especially for significant modifications or repairs. This is covered in the consultation's questions on rebuilt vehicles and radically altered vehicles: Rebuilt Vehicles: 3.11 What should be the definition of a rebuilt vehicle? 3.12 Is the current guidance still relevant considering emerging technologies? 3.14 To what extent should a vehicle be rebuilt before DVLA needs to be informed? 3.15 Should the main emphasis for assessing a rebuilt vehicle be on modifications to the chassis or monocoque bodyshell? 3.16 At what point should a chassis or monocoque bodyshell modification affect the vehicle's identity? Restored Vehicles: 3.18 Should restored vehicles be assessed according to the current policy for rebuilt vehicles or have a specific process? 3.21 At what point should a chassis or monocoque bodyshell modification affect the identity of a restored vehicle? Radically Altered Vehicles: 3.32 Should the main emphasis for assessing a radically altered vehicle be on modifications to the chassis or monocoque bodyshell, or should other components also be considered? These questions directly address the issues of welding quality, accurate positioning of critical members, and the overall impact of structural modifications. The DVLA's focus on these areas is crucial to ensure vehicle safety without stifling the passion of classic car enthusiasts. While the DVLA might tighten regulations to ensure safety, staying informed and involved in the consultation process is crucial. This way, we can help shape regulations that support both safety and the interests of classic car enthusiasts. Let's keep an eye on developments and continue advocating for a balanced approach. Thanks again for your engagement!

Putting the ruining of cars with e conversions aside... What you described is already the case.. modify the chassis you need an sva. Make mods in last 30yrs you need a MOT. The problem is that the DVLA don't have a clue. I have a kit car that has retained the original plate, yet is re registered with a newer date making it not tax exempt. Yet I know of other cars built exactly the same way with the same parts which retained the original construction date. It's down to luck of the draw..

I am writing this as a warning. If they get their way it will only lead to more regulations and eventually the death of modified and classic cars in the UK. I'm British but I live in France and have done since 2020. In France we have IVA (RTI in French) however, to be eligible for an IVA test you must have permission from the manufacturer of your vehicle. Only one problem with that, the manufacturer will never grant permission to modify or upgrade a vehicle, even if it improves the safety of the vehicle. This simply means that upgrading the brakes for example or perhaps retrofitting some wheels and wider tyres from a newer model of your car etc. is entirely impossible in France and many other EU member states.

So this is going to affect people putting an old car body on a newer running chassis.

Why do they insist on making car owners lifes a misery

@adee-H1066

Ай бұрын

They say they want us to keep our classics on the roads,but in reality they don't really.

@Mr57blackbeauty

Ай бұрын

As the man says, like for like not a problem, but dropping an 8 litre V8 into something that you've made your own subframe/chassis legs out of tin foil and attached with bird shite welds, will be a no no.

@adee-H1066

Ай бұрын

@Mr57blackbeauty exactly.I'm all for the yearly mot,regardless of age.an unbiased yearly check can't be a bad thing.I've seen some shocking "repairs" over the years.keep the 40+ tax exemption and bring back mot on everything. Although,testers would need to be aware that classics don't meet the modern day standard of tolerances.

@peterdixon7975

Ай бұрын

Given I know someone who managed to drop a BMW M-57 Diesel into a Rolls Royce Shadow, with a crappy home brew brake set up & air ride and only needed an MOT I have some sympathy with the DVLA on this point.

@Pinzpilot101

Ай бұрын

This is not the government, it is the civil service who are all commies and want us classic owners off the road. A right wing government might control them, a left wing government agree with them and will give them free rein.

What about engine changes say from an old not very economical petrol to a more modern diesel how does that effect things

Was only thinking the other day Q plates must be a thing of the past, when I was a nipper, all imports went on Q plates and a lot of kit cars, not seen on e for many years.

Great video there buddy, I am not a fan of MOT exempt policy, there are a lot of classic cars, that are not really road worthy, that have been put back on the road, due to this policy. Tax exempt should really go back to the 20 year old, as it was. I cannot see why that changed in the 1st place, Tony Blair might be able to answer that one. The electric conversions, i can see going as an engine conversion side, and i recon that might bite classic car owners, the government will be wanting to tax anything electric, with them changing the rules last year?? So it might be worth classic car owners not to bother. Petrol and diesel isn't going anywhere fast off the market at all, and there could be a massive u turn, so i wouldn't waste my money on converting a classic car to electric, just for the sake of things at the moment. Look what happened to LPG

@joeedwards627

Ай бұрын

Classic cars are my business, I’ve yet to see a dangerous classic, your on a bandwagon, armchair expert

@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391

Ай бұрын

If I had an MOT exempt vehicle, I'd still take it for an MOT, partly as a second opinion (they may spot something that I've missed) but also as proof that it's kept in roadworthy condition.

@joeedwards9721

Ай бұрын

You obviously don't have one so aren't in a position to comment, just your opinion on something that doesn't effect you

@procta2343

Ай бұрын

@@joeedwards627 who you calling an armchair expert you ponce,

@procta2343

Ай бұрын

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 yeah always best to be safe than sorry,

I converted a mini truck to electric and used proper bits motor batteries etc about 6 years ago. Dvla chewed me over a plate I welded on the chassis rails, a guy came out who was a contractor for dvla, his job was to check or more like stitch you up and end up having to take a sva test. 500 at the time same as a kit car build test. Luckily the guy realised what I was doing and basically just changing from ICE to electric on the logbook, after a few heated letters and phone calls to dvla I finally got it mot free and electric on the logbook. Guess what i wasted all my time , no insurance company would insure it lol. I did follow a guy who did everything to the tee a few years before I did mine, again the rules changed just as finished mine and the dvla just encouraged the insurance to stop home builders. I have many historic cars and are all tax and mot free. They are mint and do get checked every few weeks as we all know how fussy we are with our cars. I.e classics are safer compliant than most cars on the road. Like most things we like to do in the uk someone spoils your fun eventually though...how long will we enjoy historic cars the way we do!!

@fixityourself1111

Ай бұрын

Also from memory all this dvla FBI car chassis photo vin tag photos 18 thousand photos before issuing logbook came after the landrover chassis swaps , folks were going to shows and the dvla FBI were taking vin numbers of shown cars sending letters out...basically any old land rover that were swapped to coil spring chassis "significantly changed" got a letter to say car needed inspecting to see if drastically modified. Always hide your reg and chassis numbers at shows, just saves any hassle and stops the snowflakes.

I've heard alot of classic ford owners getting worried. Cars get a ground up restoration, and we all know how Ford owners like to keep this OEM right down to colour and paint markings on bolt heads. But when they sell and the new owner awaits the V5 there are challenges and cases where Q plates are issues. Massively effecting the value of the, just purchased vehicle.

What would your opinion be on whether I could recreate a Park Royal Triumph Vitesse from - transplanting the rear herald estate tub and roof onto a Vitesse ? This is how Park Royal done the special order conversions to start with. Would this be acceptable and a straight forward notification to dvla ? or would it cause problems and shed loads of paperwork ? Thanks - good luck with your build

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

I've done this exact conversion, in exactly the same way that Park Royal did (had a mate, now deceased that worked there at the time, had some fascinating stories) I took an original MKII Vitesse saloon and plonked the rear tub from a Herald estate on it. Told DVLA it was now an estate and they sent me a V5, no questions asked. Admittedly this was some years ago. But the real story is that the Herald/Vitesse is a separate chassis car. As far as DVLA is concerned, the car's identity follows the chassis, not the body, so you can, legally, do pretty much whatever you want to the body so long as the chassis stays standard. Which is how we get things like the "Vincent Hurricane" a Spitfire or GT6 chassis and running gear, with a complete and very different GRP shell mounted on it. Life is unbelievably easier to a modder with a separate chassis car, compared to a monocoque modder. I keep dwelling on the idea of doing all sorts of nasty things to an RM Riley for exactly this reason!

Well that'll kill the restomod scene.

The big issue about the IVA thing is..... will your classic have to conform to modern IVA rules? That means no toggle switches unless in the prescribed area, no classic rigid wing mirrors that dont flip back etc etc.

@FutureProofPerformance

Ай бұрын

And that's the issue, most classic cars would have to be entirely rebuilt to pass an IVA.

@kevinwells768

Ай бұрын

@@FutureProofPerformance ...or dressed up for the test ;)

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

In some cases yes, in some cases no.

@howardlund7669

Ай бұрын

Yes - if it needs IVA it's because it's a new car, so needs to meet current C&U regs.

Great video but I fear a Labour government will view this differently, they don’t seem very car friendly 😐

@stevebaker9709

Ай бұрын

I'm sure the labour will do what they did the last time they were in office and stop the 40,year cut off .they stopped it when it was 25 years and made every one have to register for SORN every year .then the conservatives got back into office and changed it again but made the cut off 40 years old for tax and MOT and SORN a one off .labour hate people having old classic and histrionic cars and will tasks them off the road .hope you won't be voting labour in next time 👍👍👍👍

@cedhome7945

Ай бұрын

First rule of control is to disarming and remove personal transport.....

@feydespiel.

Ай бұрын

They're no people friendly either...then again I'm not labour friendly 🤬

The DVLA should get rid of that Q plate, and maybe request something like an identification plate that sits next to, or alongside the original VIN plate. I have suspicions that the agency use this to make money, and to retain the original registration number.

Eat z bugs, own nothing and be happy

So what's their opinion of rally and competition cars?? Or even custom built vehicles as in a rwd conversion on a Fiesta or Focus ?? 🤔 I get and agree where they're coming from on safety, as an ex mot tester I disagree with the mot exemption.. Is this just a way around removing the tax free status from 40yr and over vehicles?? 🤔

Hi mate What about the 30yr rule , if you have owned the car for over that time with some modifications will that change , Also some of these car professional car build channels that build cars for people they go well beyond what you have discussed and they seem to retain the original registration will this change if so will put people out of business?

@K2edg

Ай бұрын

The 30 year rule is a bit of a pain to deal with anyway....... You need hard evidence of when the modification was done such as receipts etc, just owning the car for 30 years doesn't work. If you approach the DVLA with a period modified car they will deal with you as if it was done last week unless you can prove when it was done and by who.

@MHLivestreams

16 күн бұрын

They have no idea, be free and have fun.

Where can I find the explanation of the retaining eight out of fourteen points allows you to retain your original registration please?

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles

@nrshida

Ай бұрын

@@claytonspeedcars That's great, thanks..Why do they sometimes give an age-related plate after an IVA, does it depend on the age of the parts used? If your Marina ends up on a 'Q-plate', what are the negative-consequences besides the apparent stigma of the 'Q-plate'? Fantastic build btw. Your metalwork is excellent.

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

It doesn't on a radically altered monocoque. That negates the points system.

@nrshida

Ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Whoa UPnDown replied! I'm not worthy! Video on this would be great. It's very vague. If you modify or replace the suspension for instance, then that must attach to the standard mounts otherwise it's a radical alteration? Or do they simply mean swapping bold-on parts not OEM? What about an engine swap, surely new engine mounts modify the monocoque?

A friend of mine has got a Escort Mk1 RS2000 that he’s restoring, he would like to fit bubble arches, but is worried that this might mean it gets registered on a Q plate, the bubble arches were a factory option at the time so would they be allowed I wonder.

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

This is fine! You aren't modifying the monocoque, just a couple of skin panels without structural strength. Even if this were debatable, the "factory option" bit is the "get out of jail free" card in this case. If the factory did it, you can too!

@trentsteels

Ай бұрын

@@stephenboitoult8774 Thanks, that makes sense, kind of what I thought too.

@mattsmith4053

Ай бұрын

That is incorrect. You have to cut the rear arch/quarter panel join to fit the rear arches which is a monocoque modification and therefore needs IVA. Just because the factory offered it as a option doesn't mean you can do it on other models legally. I wouldn't be too worried personally, but it's upto the owner.

If you are issued a Q plate, can you change it for a n on-dating personal plate later?

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately not as the rules currently stand. One question on the survey suggests it could be up for discussion

I am from New zealand all cars on the road have to be registered and have go through a mot every six months my point view comes from 55 years as a mechanic our road worthy tests are called a more appropriately a warrant of fitness, or wof. 6 montly for cars before 2000 yearly for cars after 2000 we don't have a rust problem in our country so I can crawl under a car that's 40 years old and undo virtually every bolt without a power tool or snapping it however overtime regulations have tightened and when even surface rust shows up under the car you may get a reject or at least a notice , if dodgy repairs are detected they can issue a repair notice that has to be sign off by a registered panel beating business ( this could be because a previous accident repair was not completed properly even years before but now got picked up by a more eagle eyed inspector) when it comes to modifying cars like even yours there is a modification process to follow and for that we have what is called " the new zealand hobby car manual" that goes into virtually every aspect of modifying cars including seat belt installation on old cars back to 1920ts ( hotrods) brake and suspension modifications body mods etc etc and by the way the manual can be bought in sections or complete , or can be down loaded for free and printed of at your local stationary shop for about prob 30 uk pounds On the restoration side of car repairs if the vehicle has not been registered for more than 1 year the title becomes dormant so the vehicle falls out of the system to put it back on the road it has to be "revinned " it gets a new chassis tag this inspection can take 2 days and costs around 350 uk pounds it's very thorough and includes taking even door cards off seat belts up to date and correct airbag check to see if any recalls are out standing etc any previous damage or improper repairs or rust issue is automatic fail any modifications may need a modification cert if a failure occurs you have 28days to complete the repairs or another fee is due any structural repairs "has to be done by a certified bodyshop/ panel beater " the end result of these rules and regulations ( and they have been in force for over 25 years) that we have the highest number of top quality, classic / restored/ modified cars in the world go to a car meet or coffee and cars and you may see a 1922 restored model t next to 600hp super charged hotrod a Honda vtec powered mini mk1 cortina 1000hp gtr skyline and they are all " road legal" in the end I don't mind building my cobra to engineering standards acceptable to ministry of transport standards , during my time as a mechanic I have found there is only one bigger liar then a self modified car owner , a fisherman. Check out " the new zealand hobby car manual, it's free to down load online

@BarmaBoysAndFamily

Ай бұрын

Sounds like absolute hell and just a jobsworth scheme. Why do so many people accept such levels of interference these days? They will all be accepting experimental drug injections at this rate 'for the greater good'.... oh, hang on 😂

How would it work if for example you have a 70's Lotus elan and you change the origanal pressed steel chassis for a tube space frame because of rust......... it would pick up on the standard mounting points but would be an improved item. Would this be a significant change? and what would be the result??

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

I could do a whole video just on this subject! If you're thinking of swapping out the original pressed steel chassis of your 70's Lotus Elan for a tubular space frame due to rust, it's worth considering how the DVLA might view this. While the new frame could be an improvement, it might still be seen as a significant change. However, the good news is that Lotus is still in business, and there are active clubs out there that can offer support and advice. Connecting with these communities can be a real lifesaver, providing valuable insights from fellow enthusiasts who've been there, done that. Plus, being associated with a brand like Lotus might give your mods a bit more credibility. Just make sure to document everything carefully, get involved in the DVLA consultation, and maybe seek out some expert advice to stay on the right side of the rules.

@K2edg

Ай бұрын

@@claytonspeedcars The problem with the Lotus clubs etc is they recomend you don't inform the dvla of any change....... which imho feels a bit dodgy. They tell a story about a Lotus exec making a deal with the DVLA to consider the metal structure as a 'subframe' so wouldn't require declaring or IVA test if replaced (but remembering he was representing Lotus so any part would be OE), the confusion comes when they think a modified part falls under the same rules.

@K2edg

Ай бұрын

@@claytonspeedcars I would love to see a video about this subject..... The club has recomended fitting Space frames as a upgrade for years now and when asked about this very subject say it doesn't have a number stamped into the Chassis/Subframe and there for does not require an IVA test when replaced (which imho only covers like for like parts). The way i understand it is the DVLA will only entertain a modified chassis/subframe if the origanal design is not available and would require an IVA test. Yes, as a Lotus owner i find this subject fascinating, but beware it's a touchy subject in the Elan world.

@ralphmillais5237

Ай бұрын

Lotus Elans do not have a chassis. It is a subframe. The vehicle ID is carried on the vin plate attached to the body. There is no need to inform the DVLA that you have "changed your chassis". That is the advice I was given by Graham Arnold in a Club Lotus seminar around 2002. For a long time Lotus stopped supplying chassis, sorry subframes, and Spyder cars supplied many many frames, which are still around. This point has as far as I am aware never been clarified. BTW I still regard the Spyder spaceframe as by far the best frame for an Elan!

@K2edg

Ай бұрын

@@ralphmillais5237 That only works for OEM desiged structure (call it what you want), the second you fit a space frame to replace a pressed steel chassis/subframe you are in the realms of substantial change and all the fun things that go with it.

So I have a question and I don't own said vehicle, it's more of an interest in the rules. If you have say a MKI Escort which has the usual strut top issues. How would reinforcing them stand now? Obviously it's something we all used to do in the past. Though would it now be considered a modification? Even though the AVO and RS models had it as standard, a 1300E for example, wouldn't have had them. Like I say, I don't own one, but have had 13 over the years, so it's still an interest to me. I do have 2 classic motorcycles, but other than paint, they're pretty much standard.

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for your question! Here’s the lowdown: Reinforcing strut tops is a bit of a grey area. Since the AVO and RS models had it as standard, it can be seen as a factory-spec repair. It’s not weakening the shell but fixing a known issue, so it makes the car safer and more durable. As for the rules, the DVLA currently considers any modification to the chassis or bodyshell a significant change. So, technically, reinforcing strut tops could be seen as a modification if the original model didn’t have it. But the new DVLA consultation is a great chance to bring this up. They’re asking for input on these kinds of modifications, so it’s the perfect time to highlight that such reinforcements are historically accurate and don’t compromise the car’s integrity. Relevant questions in the consultation include: What counts as a rebuilt vehicle (Question 3.11)? Do current rules cover new tech and innovations (Question 3.12)? Should we only focus on chassis modifications or other parts too (Question 3.15)? What defines a radically altered vehicle (Question 3.29)? We really need clear guidance developed with input from owners clubs and specialists. They know their stuff and can help the DVLA make rules that work for everyone. So, reinforcing the strut tops on a MKI Escort, especially if you’re following the AVO and RS models, should be seen as a factory-spec repair. Definitely get involved in the DVLA’s consultation and push for clear, fair guidelines that help keep our classic cars on the road safely. Hope this helps!

@just-another-guy

Ай бұрын

@@claytonspeedcars Brilliant. I will fill out the consultation to the best of my ability as I feel that there will be a lot of grey areas in all of this.

@MHLivestreams

16 күн бұрын

@@just-another-guy they have no idea when anyone put them on anyway, as you recall, plenty of fellas put them on over the years, way before repairs were necessary, as per your type 49 comment. I found a bolt on oval strut brace really helped with handling too. Great cars. I miss mine. Have a good day.

Ideally for me I'd like more clarity.. upgrade ie engine and suspension.. what is and what's not? I'm a vw enthusiast and want to at some point either 20vt or vr6 my mk1 golf. Is this to much or ok? Same for coilovers to air suspension to hydraulic suspension? Just so very vague

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your question! I get why you'd want more clarity on this stuff. As a fellow VW enthusiast, the idea of putting a 20vt or VR6 in your Mk1 Golf sounds awesome, and who doesn't love a good suspension upgrade? As it currently stands: Engine Upgrades and Suspension Changes: Generally, there is no issue with the points system for engine swaps like a 20vt or VR6 or suspension changes to coilovers, air, or hydraulic suspension. As long as the car retains enough original components to meet the points requirement, you don’t need to inform the DVLA. Current Guidelines: Engine Swaps: These are typically okay as long as they don’t drastically change the car’s identity or safety. The points system ensures you maintain the original vehicle’s identity if you keep enough original components. Suspension Mods: Upgrading suspension systems is usually fine as long as it’s done safely. Significant changes might need to be documented, but generally don’t require DVLA notification if the points are maintained. What You Can Do: Stay Updated: Keep an eye on the DVLA's decisions so you know what’s up. Get Advice: Talk to pros or car clubs about your plans and make sure you’re in the clear. Document Everything: Keep records of your mods to ensure everything is well-documented. The DVLA's consultation is asking for input on what counts as a "rebuilt" vehicle and how much you can change before they need to know. Some key questions include: 3.11: What's a "rebuilt" vehicle? 3.14: How much can you change before informing DVLA? 3.32: Should they focus on chassis changes or look at other parts too? Your engine and suspension mods should be okay, but it’s all about doing them safely and following any new rules from this consultation. The DVLA wants feedback from folks like us, so your input can help make the rules clearer and fairer. Keep an eye on the consultation, and maybe throw in your two cents! In short, as it currently stands, engine and suspension upgrades are generally okay, but it’s smart to stay informed about any changes. Your feedback is crucial to keeping things balanced for everyone. Thanks for your question and passion for the classic car scene!

@downnoutmotors

Ай бұрын

@claytonspeedcars wow thanks for the detailed reply.. good to now and peace of mind there considered ok by the dvla. Ofcourse I'd need to notify the dvla with new engine number etc for the updated v5. Would you have a link for the consultation? Would happily write my option down. I'm assuming you'll be doing a detailed update as things move forward with this? Thanks again 👍

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

@@downnoutmotors Yes, you would need to notify the DVLA with the new engine number, etc., for the updated V5. Here’s the link to the DVLA consultation: DVLA Consultation oonline1.snapsurveys.com/classicvehicles . I’d definitely recommend sharing your opinions there. Yes, I’ll be keeping a close eye on developments and will provide detailed updates as things move forward with this. Stay tuned!

What about re-shelling a RS500 Cosworth and welding in the cars Original (VIN) floor number to keep the Original identity of the Vehicle?

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

That would be ringing.

@scottsvxr

Ай бұрын

@@UPnDOWN Yup exactly but believe me there's some fairly popular KZreadrs that are suggesting it's a done thing, one of them is now selling and RS500 for over £250.000.

@colinhamer6506

Ай бұрын

​@@UPnDOWNre-shelling and ringing are very different. It's a grey area and easy to get wrong for example in the 90s a friend bought a MK1 mini that had been re-shelled with a MK3 he got pulled over by a police officer that noticed MK3 features and a MK1 number plates he had to have it assessed I can't remember it exactly but it needed to retain a % of the original car to keep it's identity and it failed and was given a Q plate.

@mattsmith4053

Ай бұрын

For a legal re-shell the shell used has to be brand new from the original manufacturer (or licenced thereof - the mg hertigate stuff is legal afaik). If you reshell something into a used shell it'd either have to keep the registration of the shell, if it's within the 8 points system, or go on a Q plate/IVA

How about a more heavy duty anti-roll bar?

@claytonspeedcars

23 күн бұрын

Not an issue. Carry on!

Register them in the Isle of Man then transfer it to the UK.

A plate really shouldn’t be a worry as it’s easy to buy an age related plate and transfer it on ?

@UPnDOWN

Ай бұрын

Q plates are non-transferrable.

That's not a rusty chassis rail......just saying BMW owner over here 😂

I owned the worlds first hybrid. It was an 86 Chevy Malibu. Back in the 90s. I had to leave the battery on a charger every day since I only drove 10 miles why buy a new battery. Do you guys today are buying my troubles from the 90s. Full electric today is just a bigger problem from the past, 1998 Honda with 4 truck windshield wiper motets on the wheels . Good luck tackling climate change, actually don’t mean it but like the tellie. If it preoccupied you to the point you don’t mind SHTF, then kool beans .

I’m afraid that’s wrong, I’ve done a like for like repair and dvla have penalised my 1971 supervan and told me I can only get a Q reg. the vans as original as it could be

@procta2343

Ай бұрын

id have argued that, because as mentioned some manufactures pulled the plug on support many, many years ago, or no longer about. How are you supposed to get a new chassis for it, if no one makes aftermarket one etc. Rover is another example, Rover went bust 20 years ago, and a lot of bits for those are no longer on the shelf, so what do rover owners do? they will have to Knock stuff up again etc as you did.

@ralphmillais5237

Ай бұрын

Trouble is the DVLA are a bunch of muppets that know nothing about historic vehicles.

@ambivalentonion2620

Ай бұрын

Why even go to the DVLA and declare it just tax it and start driving

@LewiBuchProductions

Ай бұрын

@@ambivalentonion2620 I didn’t have a choice when a trike stole my vans identity! This then prompted an inspection which raised this whole drama!

@procta2343

Ай бұрын

@@LewiBuchProductions How did that happen? surely the trike had to have used a strong percentage of the van etc.

So? If you keep it standard, it’s Okay, and even if you put an engine of the same make/model, with larger CC cylinders. It’s still OKAY.?

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

You can do quite a bit more than that and stay within the rules. You are working with the DVLA's own "8 point rule" mentioned by the poster. retain 8 points of a possible 14 and all is well. I have a '73 Triumph Toledo with a Vauxhall 2.0 litre engine and gearbox, hybrid prop and a Sprint axle. These mods cost me 5 points, so I still have a "9 point" car! Completely legal and Kosher by DVLA's own rules, it's been on the road, registered as what it really is, since 2011. It has kept it's original reg number and is elegible for Historic status and free VED. The only minor change from a standard car is that I DO still have to have it MOT'd every year as it falls under "significantly modified" classification by MOT rules, which are completely different to DVLA's. However I don't care in the least, as I regard the MOT exemption as a mistake at best. I get ALL my classics MOT'd annually, modified or stock! To answer exactly your point, yes, you can put in a larger engine from the same range of car without penalty. To use something close to my own car as an example, say you have a 1300cc Triumph Dolomite, you can fit the engine gearbox and axle from a 1998cc triumph Dolomite Sprint and still have a 14 point car! You'll never be legally able to CALL it a "Sprint" or sell it as one, since it's impossible to change the model on a V5, but it'll be one, except on paper!

@ambivalentonion2620

Ай бұрын

​@@stephenboitoult8774you can be very dodgy and vin swap it, i know someone who did this on a triumph dolomite, had a 1500 rwd I believe and a rusted out sprint, swapped it all over onto the standard chassis swapped the reg and vin from the barn find sprint and cut up the remains, no DVLA involved

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

@@ambivalentonion2620 Well, yes, you can, but this is "cloning" and extremely illegal in the UK. I'd never advise anyone to do it on an open forum like this! However, I will note that Dolomites and any other Triumph built before 1979, have no stamped in VIN numbers on the shell, so identity is a matter of opinion - and the opinion that counts most is that of the guy with the V5 in his hand! Real Dolomite "anoraks" like me and maybe half a dozen others can usually tell a cloned Sprint from the real thing, there are some subtle differences, But I doubt anyone at DVLA would be able to spot them!

@ambivalentonion2620

Ай бұрын

@@stephenboitoult8774 yes I've seen it done to dolomites many times, seen later cars get registered as 1972 cars even though they weren't just because that's when the tax cutoff used to be. The thing that gets me is when people publicly list for sale just a v5 and vin plate for something like an rs2000 that just is obviously there to get cloned

@kyle8952

Ай бұрын

@@ambivalentonion2620 The best one I've seen was an ebay listing for an early 60s mini. The seller said "could do with some welding between the front half and the back, if you can find it".

Did you get an electric shock …………..your hairs sticking up ! 😂

Problem with Q plates makes vehicles Value upto 70% less someone I know can't sell an amazing Jago for £2500 on a Q yet a less than perfect R reg Jago sold for £7800 sad that they won't allow it to be A Classic on a Q plate

The cost of buying a classic car keeps me away from them i would love to own one but rediculas pricing keeps the average Joe like myself in the modern car crap trap

Body on frame statement isn't correct - you can't modify the frame without it being considered a significant change. For a body on frame vehicle the chassis IS the main component which must be kept in an unmodified condition, the body is a bit more vague, for a monocoque the body IS the chassis & therefore has the same rule applied - no modification is permitted.

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

True, it's essential to clarify the distinction between repairs and modifications, especially concerning the frame or chassis. Thank you. For body-on-frame vehicles, repairing the frame using like-for-like components or methods, without altering its original structure or design, would generally not be considered a significant modification. However, any substantial alterations to the frame, such as cutting, welding, or structural changes that deviate from the original specifications, would likely be viewed as significant modifications by the DVLA.

What country is this in?

Q for quality..

So what about fitting a slightly more modern engine into your classic car because you are unable to find a like for like engine !!! (The replacement engine is same make as the classic car) BTW...

We don't have such a thing in Australia but l live in N.S.W Australia and we have yearly registration inspections for any light vehicles over 5 years old many Chinese built vehicles will fail there first inspection because of rust now other states do not have yearly registration inspections except for the ACT and only in N.S.W to modify your vehicle chassis in any way you have to get an engineering certificate it is inspected by an automotive engineer and usually cost around aud $50000 and nobody would ever modify any Morris Marina in Australia they are considered absolutely awful cars that is why l enjoyed watching Top Gear when they dropped a piano on a Morris Marina l do remember them they came and thank goodness they went away and Leyland Australia even put a 6 cylinder engine in the Morris Marina clutching at straws and thank goodness we spared the awful Austin Elegro no wonder they went broke making crappy cars and of course there was the Japanese were been sold in Australia and that was the death Nell for the British Leyland vehicles the Japanese vehicles were so much better and so more reliable infact to day there 20 30 and 40 year old Toyota's driving around and registered and we have the yearly rego check and there are no exemptions also to see a classic British car it's a very rare sight but to see a classic Toyota see them every day and l myself own a 1997 Toyota Hilux and it has turned me into a Toyota fan boy and ant thing to do with Toyota l will watch it and there is a you tube channel that is second hand cars 14 and 15 years old and there is a mechanic on that and when they feature a Toyota and the mechanic who does what goes wrong with a Toyota is usual response is well nothing

this is an intended step towards more adverse regulation,require FEES

The DVLA and Govt should put more effort into untaxed an uninsured cars but no they take action where action isn't due and dodge the obvious targets

Like for like to the manufacture's original spec is a repair - not a modification.

@claytonspeedcars

Ай бұрын

Exactly. That is what I said...

@phoenixmotorsport647

Ай бұрын

@@claytonspeedcars I think the majority of the misunderstandings isnt the DVLA's wording. As usual its the press trying to frighten everybody and push whatever agenda they have in mind.

So.... Companies like retro power. Will have to put Q plates on .. their clients won't like that..

how is this new? Has it not been impossible to register (for example) home-brewed pick-ups and convertibles due to the radically altered legislation that came in around the 90s? the business about needing 8 points to keep original ID and 5 of those must come from having an unaltered monocoque

Cars over 25 years old should be able to be resomoded. Updated brakes and similat engine capacity should be an automatic ok.

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

You can, and a restomod like you suggest would be perfectly acceptable within the existing rules, so long as you haven't chopped the chassis or monocque shell about, in order to achieve your engine upgrade.

Did you know that using a reproduction chassis identification plate also qualifies you for a Q plate?

Significant chassis mods are rightly Q'ed. Q = Questionable 😅

@catherinewright8933

Ай бұрын

Q = Correctly registered as well !

Everybody acting like this is new legislation when its been in place for decades, its just that people havent followed it.

Why the bullxhit title? There are no changes to be explained. How can you say what youre claiming? We're facing a 'call for evidence' which is being called a consultation. Therd are no rules announced, yet. Looks to me as if everything is potentially up for review. The bit of info mentioned are the rules as they stand currently which, reading the consultation questions,could easily mean they're looking to change things. The answers ard already done, theyll just shoehorn the consultation data to suit their agenda. But top marks for bringing more attention to the situation.

If it means that's it's harder for people to convert classic cars into EVs as there not as they were manufactured and need a q plate bit like modification to anything.... Just the usal miss information bit like E10 fuel 😂😂

Who in their right miond would convert a classic ICE car to an EV? That tech is going down the drain already!

@mikemartin2957

Ай бұрын

The 'King' got that foolish conversation installed to his Aston Martin DB he got as a 21st Birthday in 1970, present from Her Majesty! Just so he can promote his daft " green credentials ' .The whole point of an Aston DB is it's V8 engine & lovely engine noise, performance ,etc .He can certainly afford the petrol it uses! Now a good car ruined.with a foreign made food mixer motor in it😮

I agree the DVLA are idiots. I made the mistake of telling them get the displacement of the engine. Only for them to demand someone from the AA or similar confirms it. It’s been over-bored. There’s no way anyone’s doing that without the cylinder head off. So I learned my lesson and never bother contacting them unless absolutely necessary. Idiots.

So you improve the handling , by way of better suspension and brakes but then you end up with a Q Plate - no one wants that shit!

if a vehicle is already registered dont bother to tell them anything. only needs a mot and if historic doesn't need one. your wrong you dont need to take for a iva if already registered.

Rules introduced to manipulate the honest. Why? Because honest people have a conscience and playing on that is a key area to those people. Levels of conscience vary from groups to groups and we are seeing the Wests conscience, charity and guilt being abused and taken for a ride.

Total bollocks. Do as YOU wish, but stop insisting on interfering with everyone else. That makes way more sense

But what’s the DVLA’s agenda for doing this? Why do they need to do it? Is it safety or to make more money out of those with modified historics? As they say, it’s a small % of the cars on the road doing few miles so why are they spending money on this? Chase down the chop shops & that area with the funds not make victims of the enthusiasts for bolting on aftermarket mods.

If you put an Electric battery in a classic car you have destroyed the car as I drive a 1965 Chrysler Valiant AP6 and the motor noise makes me smile. If there was no noise well that’s just ridiculous. The government are trying to cars from us. Just wait them out as EV’s are a joke.

I suggest people look at the German rules surrounding vehicles before 'mouth foaming' about this. EV is a fine example of possible dangers. If a car was produced in 1970 with an 85 bhp engine, with EV it is realitively easy to drop in an EV unit making 200 + bhp. NOTHING about that car is designed for 200 bhp and so there has to be laws to monitor that. Because people can be idiotic. This gentleman is talking total.sense; I suggest people cease hyperventilating and listen. People don't like change but mostly adore mass hysteria.

You either know history or you trust the government, you can't do both.

i have a classic car and i think that all cars should have an m o t that includes classic cars maybee every 2 years because they dont go on the road as much but they need to be tested

@BoyeeSmudger

29 күн бұрын

Agree. It's a form of second party checking, I'll be taking mine to local garage for a once over... When it's finished, sometime this decade.

Won't be surprised if a bunch of inspectors visit a car or bike meet and start pulling people up....

@richardsealey3626

Ай бұрын

They don't have enough staff for that................

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

@@richardsealey3626 I wouldn't be so sure about that! No they probably don't physically attend meets, but they do keep up with magazine and social media exposure. I know of at least 2 heavily customised "hot rods" who's only resemblance to the original car was the number plate and a general shape, that have lost their identities and historic status without any input to DVLA by their owners. They just got a letter out of the blue from DVLA saying your car is no longer road legal, prove it is, or get an IVA and a Q! So DVLA must have SOME sort of source!

All started with Tesla and EV haters aka fake news & KZread EV hate channels.... 1, EV insurance is being increased by 1000`s, now it`s now trickling down to Classic cars.....

You obviously dont have much faith in your own work if you need an idiot MOT tester to look over it.

Its just communists again, they must have time on their hands. One thing to consider if you want to save lives on (our) roads comrades is to use our money, tax money, not your money, to lever the government roadmenders into action and fill the holes, flatten the surfaces, improve drainage, put laybys in, repair laybys, etcetc. There is a lot if catching up to do to make roads safer and reduce casualties. R

@MrNatbatten

Ай бұрын

Communists? Give your head a wobble, lol.

@BarmaBoysAndFamily

Ай бұрын

I agree, it is straight out of the marxist book of rules. Control, re-educate, monitor.

@Walt_G

Ай бұрын

The Conservatives have been in charge for the last 14 years, I was not aware they were communists.

Hi Ben. I believe that it should be mandatory that historic vehicles undergo suspension, steering & brake upgrades, even drive train upgrades to make them safer in modern traffic. Modern vehicles are much, much faster & handle/stop in a way historic vehicles cannot. To my mind, this makes them unsafe & vulnerable. Pre '88, there were no restrictions & those who were building high quality modified classics wouldn't doubt welcome a return to that system which didn't remove the vehicle's identity. After all, there are no veteran vehicles with more than 30% of their original components as everything had to be made by blacksmiths & didn't resemble the factory components. Cheers. Leigh.

@stephenboitoult8774

Ай бұрын

it's not a full answer, but, significantly, there is no mention AT ALL of braking equipment in the infamous "8 point rule" which I take to mean that I can do what I want with the brakes on my modified cars without penalty - and I do! The particular 70s built cars I choose to modify already have rack and pinion steering and coilovers at all 4 corners, so I consider the steering and suspension more than adequate as is. You can mess with spring rates, bushings and shocker performance enhancers anyway, so long as it was designed to work with OE suspension design, it's "like for like" enough to not cost you points. But it depends how old the original car you are modifying IS! I know a couple of guys who have a "T bucket" and a 54 Anglia respectively. Both have ginormous blown V8s and tube chassis. Both have also lost their historic status and identity recently due to being undeclared "radically altered" cars by DVLA standards, they should have been IVA'd and on Q plates when built. Now they can't go back on the road till they are IVA'd, a complex process that ranges from difficult to impossible on some cars. To me that's just tough luck, they got caught!

@TK42138

Ай бұрын

Most historic or classic vehicles aren't regularly driven or cover the typical annual mileage that a modern car typically clocks up. They're not dangerous if the person behind the wheel can actually drive.

I have a 1982 xt550 ona Q plate. I contacted Yamaha and got a letter stating it was registered in italy and the details. DVLA still will not change it to original plate and kept my letter from Yamaha.