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@zaklex3165

Жыл бұрын

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@LK-pc4sq

Жыл бұрын

Joviwe, I am from Seattle and watched many of your photos. I immigrated into Vancouver and like the us mode, was bullied, was forced to work 12 hours a day. Worked Christmas eve, and they made me work in the evening and over night. The same if not worse BS occurs in the Us work force. I once worked for a manlife assemble job, assembling heavy parts. One day, it was three minutes before the bell rang "We cant leave when we were done" I was done with my station and I talked to a employee and said, you know, I am a contractor, I might want to apply as a full-time employee. A line supervisor crossed paths into our assembly line and said "Hey Larry, I see you are talking" and then the line chief fired me... I was a temp I had no rights! If I knew about the Netherlands way back then I would have left for Europe LONG time ago. The same predatory practices have crept into BC Canada BUT the workers have more rights, more unions then America. I am now over 50 VERY VERY depressed and hate the US because I have been abused by so many people in my life. I don't think your country could except me I'm over 50 now. But ..... at least the government cares more about its people! I met a American woman living in Denmark and her Danish husband divorced her. She was single, and no one wanted to hire her because she did not speak the language. She said the was about to make it as a maid to pay her bills. If I could go back in the past, I would have immigrated into Germany, Norway or Netherlands. I would do it ow, but age is creeeping up on me im now 55 years old.

@bradforward850

Жыл бұрын

This company comes from a Right to Work state. They don't have to have a reason to fire you under right to work state rules. They musta' forgot where they're doing business.

@seriously1184

Жыл бұрын

Jovie You are not correct ! In the Netherlands nor in Europe do people have more rights and are not more important than corporations etc What is important though is the law and nothing else !!! Corporations like people have the same rights as people do under European law !!! If anyone brakes the law and this can be proven in a court of law, then this person or corporations is held accountable and will be sentenced to whatever the judge deems appropriate at that given situation under the law !!!! And in this case it was very easy to sentence this american company, because it clearly and evidently broke some Dutch and European laws (in a very stupid way) !!! Its that simple Jovie !!!!!

Something similar happened in Germany where McDonalds tried to force US working conditions onto its employees (low wages, no vacation days, etc). Needless to say they lost the case. Working conditions in the US are deplorable, corporations call the shots, long working hours, low wages, no vacation, no sick days. Why on earth do American people put up with that?!

@ericfisher1360

Жыл бұрын

You are I assume aware that there is no such thing as a unified "US working Condition" for any job correct? Take your McDonald's example; The Pay and benefits of working there in the United States will vary based on location. This is pretty standard form for most jobs, even the dreaded Walmart.

@ShanuWral

Жыл бұрын

Excellent question!

@kknn523

24 күн бұрын

The American constitution was written for corporations. It did give novel human rights, and right to bear arms to protect the corporate rulers. Where as in Europe. It was the kings, and philosophers which had more priority than corporations. At least. That is my evaluation.

In New Zealand we had a large American company that was planning on opening branches here. In the US they had a no union policy and wanted to carry that policy here into their workplaces. When they found that such a policy would be illegal here they approached the government for an exemption (sadly for companies used to the US environment NZ limits political donations so that US type lobbying was not an option). This was refused and they said "no exemption, no company". The response is that we have no branches of that company here and somehow we have survived!

@Snowshowslow

Жыл бұрын

Good for you!

@Rottnwoman

Жыл бұрын

GO Kiwis!

@panchomcsporran2083

Жыл бұрын

Americans need to unionise

@hikareti9503

Жыл бұрын

New Zealand also has an Employment Court branch of the judiciary that deals solely with employment issues, there are consequences for employers that want to act like some American companies.

@markschattefor6997

Жыл бұрын

@@panchomcsporran2083 Never going to happen! Maybe after long civil war some things could change, but I doubt it. The US isn't a real country, it's a MEGA business to serve warlords all over the globe/disc and sell them their older gear when they get the modernised versions.

My wife has a similar experience when she was pregnant and American Express changed her work conditions and were not willing to accommodate her when she was unable to work the full 8 hours. We didn't have to go to a court. My wife could stay home for the entire pregnancy and the recovery time she was paid as if she worked for a full year. Pregnant women are highly protected in Dutch society.

@metalvideos1961

Жыл бұрын

no workers are protected in the netherlands are protected no matter if you are pregnant or not. we have workers right. America doesnt understand that they have to give workers rights. americans work like slaves. if you work for a company in america you are owned by that company no laws can protect you from that. in the netherlands laws protect workers against everything. you cant get fired for no legit reason.

@erwin757

Жыл бұрын

Yes and the “pro life” republicans are like that … oh wait… vote blue guys!! 💙💙💙

@Voron_Aggrav

Жыл бұрын

@@erwin757 pro life till the day it's born and then it can just starve to death

@elizabethnilsson1815

Жыл бұрын

and NOW the Amrican Express is NOT EXCEPTABLE as a payment..... and it goes or change name THAT WILL BE WIPED OUT AS WELL NOW FARAHOS TIME THANK YOU IN EUROPE. HERE WE GO HAND IN HAND FOR A BETTER WORLD at least untill the pandemic and I KNEW THE EUROPEAN MAN WILL NOT PUT UP WITH ANY SHIT FOR LONG

I've said it before. You are already Dutchified, Europeanized, but now you are really "Nederlandse". I have worked for the Dutch judiciary for 24 years and I am proud of such a ruling.

@johnatkins5987

Жыл бұрын

And so you should be ! Thank you !

@YourFellowRNRSisterFan98

Жыл бұрын

Wish I was there lol it’s one of my dreams to visit and possibly move there. Clearly after I become a citizen however I do that I’ll figure that out in time.

@elizabethnilsson1815

Жыл бұрын

GOD BLESS YOU and ALL DUTCH PEOPLE OF THIS KIND.

I always love it when American (or sometimes other) companies get trounced for unfair or unreasonable work practices elsewhere in the world.

@TheExplorder

Жыл бұрын

The story of the disasterous project "Wal-Markt in Germany" is also a nice example. They didn't know what hit them, when the entire 2,3 million members of the retail Union stood up to them. I'm sure there are videos about this subject on youtube

My former employer was even more intrusive. In the USA, non-unionized people are just wage slaves.

@harmonizedigital.

Жыл бұрын

In the USA even Unionized workers don't have it great either. I worked at IBEW 520 and they treated me like dirt.

This company should have known better. Because every Dutch person knew this was an instant win for the employee.

@bmw803

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. And as she mentioned, the country and most of their businesses haven't collapsed, because employees are treated like people instead of numbers. On the contrary, it's America that's falling apart. I wonder why!!!!!

More than 20 years ago I worked for a US company in the Netherlands, under Dutch law. I got the same compensation for just firing me. Their reason was cost savings due to less profitability of the whole company that Fiscal year. The judge didn't buy it.

Chetu has since given up their Dutch branch in Rijswijk and left the Netherlands. It's especially sad to see that their U.K. branch still exists (as they do no fall under European law anymore since Brexit). The U.K. evidently becomes more and more Americanized with unscrupulous companies having all the rights over their employees. Chetu now only has branches left in non employees respecting countries as India, the U.S. and the U.K.

@vullings1968

Жыл бұрын

Yup, you saw that with the P&O sacking. All their UK workers were called to Dover to get collectively sacked via Zoom. No EU-workers were fired.

@ChrisMcCandless77777

Жыл бұрын

we can miss those kinds of companies in Europe, just don't buy from these companies. and every employee must be aware when you work for those companies that you are not a human being but a slave

@ed7872

Жыл бұрын

@@vullings1968 Many P&O workers were so happy they voted for Brexit! NOT!!!

@Rob2

Жыл бұрын

They closed the branch the same day the ruling came in that they had to compensate the employee they fired on they day they refused to use the camera. It looks like a company that makes decisions without much thinking. A bit Trump-like: "you're fired!".

@peterbreis5407

Жыл бұрын

You mean "unscrupulous" not scrupulous. If they were scrupulous there would be no problem.

What Jovie says is so true about many American companies. I was fortunate as I ended up being a University faculty member, and I was able to determine my own working conditions - however, many people here don't bave any workplace protection. I love the Dutch court's remedies to the wrongfully terminated employee. 885 Euros is a reasonable court fee. This story should appear somewhere in the US media.

@ed7872

Жыл бұрын

Sorry Kevin, it was a court fee of € 585, not € 885. The Netherlands is not that expensive. You won't also find that the lawyer that represents this individual gets something like 30% of the fine imposed by the court. The lawyer gets a normal, agreed, amount based on the amount of time spent. It really creates a level playing field for both parties. Slightly different from the US situation.

@jwenting

Жыл бұрын

@@ed7872 yup, lawyers by law in the Netherlands can only work on a fixed or fixed hourly fee, AND the court can determine that the fee they charge or the hours they charge are excessive and order them lowered. That's why there are next to no ambulance chasers and frivolous liability lawsuits in the Netherlands, that and the fact that there are strict legal limits on how much a court can order to be paid out in damages (so you can't just go in and demand a billion because your coffee was too hot). This works for everyone, as it not just keeps companies from having to constantly fear frivolous lawsuits, it also means that those companies don't need to spend an inordinate amount on lawyers and slush funds to prepare for paying for those lawsuits, lowering their operating cost and allowing them to provide their products and services at a lower price (hence for example the far lower cost of healthcare in the Netherlands compared to the US, there are other reasons but that's the main one).

Love the Netherlands . So glad this man found justice 🌎🌸

Many years ago, my husband (who was still my boyfriend at the time) worked for an American company in the Netherlands. When they wanted to cut back on the costs and personnel, instead of firing him, they sent him to the US, without me. There was not even a department for his kind of work there. I think they were hoping my husband would stop his job, so it wouldn't cost them anything. He sat at the office in Boston for three weeks, staring out of the window, because there was no work for him. It was settled before it could go to court in the end. But I was flabbergasted about the way they treated their personnel.

@ShanuWral

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I'm not surprised at all.

Going by the additives in American food and drinks I get the impression that the laws governing such things are in favour of the industries rather than the consumers.

@SaharanKnight

Жыл бұрын

Well, of course... I have spent 30 minutes in a Walmart or Target reading food labels before I bought a handful of items and even then I wasn't sure that I wasn't being misled or cheated. The food industry in the USA is deep, deep corruption, even for pet food, not kidding! Some very evil heads of foid companies who should all be in prison for life, at the least!! But their justice will be like a "slow train coming", to borrow an expression from the singer Bob Dylan.

I love how smug you are about this. You've officially fully integrated in the Netherlands, hahaha!

@mrsiz218

Жыл бұрын

I love that too, not gonna lie, I’m kinda jealous! 😂

For sacking immediately are very, very strict rules in The Netherlands. Usually, only violence or being caught redhanded stealing are acceptable as valid grounds for a judge. In all other situations, there must be a notice period and a formal procedure leading to settlement or a judgement by court.

@Snowshowslow

Жыл бұрын

Yes and a file of wrongs committed and other attempts to fix it. Firing can't be the first step you take that the employee know of (unless someone does something truly outrageous).

Ohh I did read about this last week or something and I was shocked that that American company thought it was ok to invade someone's privacy like that and that they had so little trust in their employee who always did a good job for them for more then a year.

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

In the USA that's just normal... the land of the free...

The employee was in his/her full right to sue this US company. I really hope the penalties are going to be paid, especially now that the company withdrew from the Netherlands.

@NSBarnett

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I hope that too, but I fear that they won't be. I fear that the employee will have to sue the company again in an American court, which will probably come to a different conclusion. Looking on the internet, this story only came out in October 2022, so the plaintiff probably won't get his money for some time. But anyway, Jovie, please bring the story up to date when he does, or when he learns that he doesn't!

@rido1274

Жыл бұрын

@@NSBarnett No, it happened in the Netherlands with a Dutch employment contract, so Dutch law applies. It's maybe complicated, because you need an American Bailiff to collect your money, but an American court can't rule in this case. Same for a criminal who's convicted in the Netherlands and wants to appeal in the USA.

@CorporateG0th

Жыл бұрын

@@NSBarnett they'll have to abide by the court orders or the company can pack it in and the executives are criminally liable in Dutch jurisdiction.

@berndhoffmann7703

Жыл бұрын

If I were them I would not dare to try, that could have even more additional costs thrown at them.

@VeniVidiAjax

Жыл бұрын

@@rido1274 actually… they can. They can order them to pay

This is why we need to vigilant in order to keep this protection in place because there are a couple of Dutch political parties who want to change it in order for companies and employers to be able to fire employees easier, cheaper and faster. To the Dutch and European people, be very wary on which political parties you cast your votes for it is your children who will suffer the consequences of your choice today and tomorrow.....

@marie-jacqueline2180

8 ай бұрын

True!

The average U.S. company is built on a foundation of 18th & 19th century managerial concepts tied together by a burning desire to maximize profits at any cost, and usually views employees as replaceable cogs on the money-making gears rather than as individual people. I've worked in the gov't & private sectors, in IT and retail and healthcare and education, as a secondary contractor and as a primary employee, as line personnel and as low- & mid-level manager, and it's all been basically the same way. So sad.

I've worked for 2 American-owned/based companies in the UK and they had the same disdain for their employees here.

@elizabethnilsson1815

Жыл бұрын

THE UNION IN UK IS STRONG STILL THE BRITISH WILL TILL THE END OF THE TIME REFUSE TO BE A SALVE OF AMERICANS

@eattherich9215

Жыл бұрын

The lawfirm that I used to work for in the UK merged with an American firm and things turned very ugly. The firm had been heading towards grim but we hadn't seen anything yet.

My company went into American hands, and then the new management fired me because I had been a victim of cancer. They were 'cleaning up'. They weren't stupid enough to let it come to a court, and they settled with me quite quickly.

It’s so strange to realise what I thought was just “normal” isn’t the case for everybody around the world.

In the Netherlands Dutch and EU laws are valid, no matter where the company has it's headquarters. If you are hired by a Dutch subdivision, Dutch employee/employer rules and laws apply. Laws and rules differ a lot from those in the US. Cameras are there for the safety of the employee and possessions of the employer. Recordings cannot be used unless there is a crime committed (against or by the employee). Presence of cameras has to be announced. A video call can be made by the employer when the employee works at home, but NOT when on sick leave.

@dutchgamer842

Жыл бұрын

Demands to use cameras in your home isn't safety, it should actually be forbidden. Your home is your private space and no one has any business to see your home. Only Tha parts you voluntere to share cause you want to on social media for example. If you don't even want to use a cam for a micro 2nd you shouldn't be forced, it's a violation of privacy. Your voice should be enough to have a meeting from outside of the office. There is litterly no reason at all to use a camera from your private space. There is also no reason to make a video call, a normal phone call should be enough. An employer shouldn't be able to demand it.

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchgamer842 If you work from home, your workplace at home has to meet the requirements as in the office. No smoking, no eating, nobody can see confidential data, tea/coffee breaks, etc. And your employer has to facilitate your environment, good chair, double monitor etc. You are not 'free' to do as you please, and it's usually in the contract you sign that allows you to work from home. Be aware of the conditions!

@dutchgamer842

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 So you're someone that agrees with violation of privacy. A home is never a place where an employer should have a say. Definitely not using a camera, that's violation of privacy. It's not the companies property, so it's camera doesn't have any business in the property. A company should never be able to enforce a camera, or forbid you to eat and drink during work. This has nothing to do with safety. It shouldn't even be in a contract. An employer should always give you to the opportunity to work from the office and never enforce you to work from home. Work should never be done from home cause a company demands it

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchgamer842 I am not 'someone that agrees with', it is in my contract. The contract that ALLOWS me to work from home. The computer I work on is my employers, the company controls it, enforces updates, virus scanner, and even all communication ports, while I am 'at work'! It allows me to connect to my employers network and gives me access to all files I need. Part of my work is to attend meetings, which I join with video and sound. And yes, even on holidays in Spain, drunk in a pub, I am bound to the conditions in my contract.

@dutchgamer842

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 I wasn't talking about the equipment. The moment an employer uses a camera, the employer is trespassing. Meetings should never be enforced to use a camera if someone is working from their private space, neither should a demand of sacrificing a room in the private space for an employer. An employer shouldn't even expect any employer to work from home or waste money on the energy bill, cause the employer is working from home. Eating and drinking during office hours is also normal, you also do it at your desk if you are at the office. Everything you said, shouldn't even be in a contract, this is only good for the employer and violates human rights and privacy. On your free time like, days off, holiday and vacation. An employer should never bother or contact you, there is totally no reason to do so.

Oh I totally agree on the side of the Employee that was wrongfully terminated, you hit the nail on the head Jovie when you said in America our companies care more about the rights of the company than the rights of the employees. Some companies here will work you to death and pay you even worse. I live in the US but work for a Europe based company and I am sooooooo happy that I do. They care about the welfare of their employees and the culture is so relaxed and flexible when it comes to work/life balance. Good for the Dutch Courts to take care of their citizen and get them the compensation they so rightfully deserve.

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

which makes me wonder... how can a European company compete on the US market, when they have so much more costs on employees?

@mirandaw2095

Жыл бұрын

@@nagranoth_ The European company I work for isn't based in the US, their HQ is in Europe. They have offices around the globe which makes them a global company. The culture within the company is different, that is what I was referring to in my statement. Sorry if that was unclear, but they seem to value their employees more. I'm saying all companies in America are toxic or bad, there are some good ones out their maybe I have just had bad luck.

@arnodobler1096

Жыл бұрын

@@nagranoth_ "I do not pay good wages because I have a lot of money, but I have a lot of money because I pay good wages." - Robert Bosch 1861 - †1942 (Bosch Compay)

@flopsinator5817

Жыл бұрын

@@nagranoth_ Highly skilled and qualified people might be more inclined to work in a company that has good working conditions, even if it pays less than a competitor with worse working conditions. Highly skilled and qualified people make better products or are capable of marketing them better. Bosch, Nestlé and Philips are good examples of this. That being said, there is a whole ocean and a lot of red tape to cut through in the American market; it's a risky venture. As such many companies elect to just build local offices strictly for the purpose of importing the products they make. Think BMW or Volvo.

American companies should finally learn that their slavery of employees in Europe does not work.Thank you for this video.I was very amused by the court ruling.Greetings,Kelsea

@majdavojnikovic

Жыл бұрын

not yet, but soon the whole Europe will work for usa companies as European economy is going down with this russian sanction situation. then we will see how it goes with protection of workers.

Nice story! It actually surprises me that the court cost itself was so cheap; 600 euros is nothing compared to the other numbers.

@Snowshowslow

Жыл бұрын

I am guessing the court didn't have to spend too much time on this bogus dismissal 😉

@Peregrine101

Жыл бұрын

@@Snowshowslow The so called court costs are not what you think they are. The courts in the Netherlands are paid for by the government. The court costs mainly consists of two parts. First of all there are the cost the employee had to make for an attorney, basically the attorney's fee. Secondary a bailiff has to serve the papers on the company noting them of the case that has been brought against them. The cost for the bailiff also has to be paid for by the company as they are the losing party in this. But overall you are true in that there is not that much involved here and it was apparently not that much effort to get this case together.

Companies hire people, they don't buy slaves. 👍👍🇳🇱

@ericdpeerik3928

Жыл бұрын

Well, we used to 😂

I love this!!!! :D And how you told the story, haha you’re so smug :P Wasn’t it Wallmart who tried years ago to open stores in Germany, but they couldn’t turn a profit because they had to pay their employees a good wage, allow unlimited sick days and a good amount of paid vacation days - even for part time workers. I don’t know the full story but I’ve heard that in a video that an American youtuber made about the difference of working in the US vs Europe. The more of these types of videos do well here on YT, I hope the more US citizens will realise that they’re not treated well and their situation wouldn’t be acceptable in many places all over the world. So that they get good examples about what’s fair, and they can stand up for their rights

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

yep, wallmart thought they were a big company so the law would bend to their will. Nah bro.

@thodan467

Жыл бұрын

It was a mixture of ignoring the market, ignoring the laws and customs.... they did not make money and they did not respected the law about their employees right´s and the german court´s were willing to correct the second mistake

@Baard2000

Жыл бұрын

I guess the ROI wasnt good enough.

@dennisraeimakers5218

Жыл бұрын

Americans are indoctrinated asf

@phillipridgway8317

Жыл бұрын

Somalia has better workers rights than the USA! It is a fact that American workers have some of the worst employee rights and protections in the world...

What a great story! I'm so happy for that worker.

Great story! I live in the U.S. and everything you said is so true about companies here and it's a shame! It's like always walking on eggshells because were I live, it's "right to work" and I can be let go at any time without reason.

@Rottnwoman

Жыл бұрын

But you are still there, obviously a willing victim.

@mE-zx7pt

Жыл бұрын

@@Rottnwoman because people need to pay rent & have access to healthcare. Know it all.

I saw this first hand where I worked .. a contested employee firing. She won in the end too, but we never saw her return to work. I love Holland for that.

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

well, I mean sure you win, they shouldn't have fired you, but going back to work there obviously isn't going to work. There's no way there's no bad blood.

@tonys1636

Жыл бұрын

Would you go back to work with the same company, all trust would have been lost.

@woutmoerman711

Жыл бұрын

Linda, it is not just in Holland but in the entire Netherlands! I love living here. Kind regards from the Netherlands.

I didn't hear about this, but I always like it when foreign (American or otherwise) companies try to use their home-rules in our country and get to know what our court thinks about that. The fact that this company no longer works here shows that they're not flexible enough to change to work according to Dutch law. (I'm not really sure my English is good enough here, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say)

@blackenreed1425

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly understandable. Have you tried reading comments by Americans recently? They don't know the difference between there, their and they're. One spelled (or spelt) Pilate as pilot. His response to my correction was "I don't spell!". Another talked about his constitutional rites (instead of rights).

@elizabethnilsson1815

Жыл бұрын

BE SURE THE BRITISH IS NOT STUPID.... THEY WILL BE MONITORED FOR A LONG TIME BOTH IN THE UK AND FROM ABROAD....

The verdict was fair and right. As a company you don´t own your employees, you cannot treat them however you like just because you pay them and you can´t behave like a dictator. When I started working in the finance industry in The Netherlands I had no experience with US companies. Through takeovers I ended up in 3 US companies which were Dutch companies before. In all 3 cases it was promissed that little would change but in all 3 cases much changed within 6 months: A new management, much more pressure upon the employees to create more turn over, closure of offices leading to more travel time towards the remaining offices but above all a mentality that all is about money and that employees shouldn't complain and do what they are told. As a consequence all these 3 firms ran into big trouble because Dutch employees simply leave such a company. One of these 3 companies had 120 employees when it was bought by an American company, after 21 months only one of those original employees still worked for the company, the rest, including me, left. We had plenty of choice between other firms who do treat their employees well. Since these 3 bad experiences I promissed myself to simply leave a company when taken over by an American company. I had to do this twice since then.

@elizabethnilsson1815

Жыл бұрын

IT SHOULD NOT BE YOU TO LEAVE IT SHOULD BE ALL THIS TYPE OF AMERICAN COMPANIES TO BE BANNED. THE AMERICAN MC DONALDS ADDAPTED THE EU LAW ABOUT CELERY TO PAY AND OTHER LAW AND IT STILL ALIVED.

Those court costs were very low, here they alone would have run into thousands. That was not the only and won't be the last US company that has crossed swords with EU employment rights and contracts. Many US tech and social media giants have their EU headquarters here in Ireland and often find themselves up before an employment tribunal or a court.

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

Courts are paid by the Dutch government and as service available. Lawyer costs have to be paid by yourself and are not included. So court costs are only paperwork and copies, stamps, secure delivery etc, involving the case. It is low so everyone can seek justice, even when when it's outcome is not in your favor.

@tonys1636

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 It starts off here with a tribunal, if the employee wins the tribunal may consider that a serious breech of employment legislation has occured and refer the company to a higher court for a criminal prosecution. The costs for them will really escalate and if found guilty by the jury the fine can run into millions of Euro along with the costs being almost has high, these cases can last many months. A certain high profile US internet giant discovered this to their cost a few years ago, the case going as far as the Supreme Court as they kept appealing. The higher the court the higher the penalty. They are still here, albeit a good few million Euro lighter and now fully comply whilst benefiting from advantageous corporation tax arrangements! That is why many choose to set up here, along with a highly educated often multi-lingual pool of people to employ.

@wimschiphorst8541

Жыл бұрын

And if your income is too low, you only pay 184 euros. The rest will be paid by the state if you lose the case.

@arnodobler1096

Жыл бұрын

The subway franchisees have the problem that they have to go to an American court. The Subway Europe headquarters is a granny flat in Liechtenstein.

@tonys1636

Жыл бұрын

@@arnodobler1096 That is a business contract, different from an employment contract in that it would state which juresdiction applies to it, if one doesn't like it, in that it is a foreign country that has the control over it, one should get it jointly and amicably amended before signing or just walk away before signing.

Welcome to Europe Chetu. The land of the genuinely free.

my company trusts i do my work properly. i can get up and get a coffee and hang laundry in a short break. i clear my head and come back refreshed. in the end, i might work 38 hours focussed from home in 38 hours in stead of 20 hours focussed while being in the office for 50 hours.. we noticed that we like office days for meetings and catching up and explaining how things are done or for things we hand back and forth a dozen times in a few hours. and we have only emergencies at home days. were we only disturb for things that can not wait for Thursday of Monday.

Nice story. It is always polite to put the link to the actual story in your description so people can read the source material and the original post grts its credits. Another nice case is Wendy's vs Wendy's.

@silsilsilly

Жыл бұрын

yes

I wish the laws in my country also work that way. What a just ending.

You are so right and I am really happy that we live in an environment where the person itself is protected so good. I really like that you point out that it is EU law.

Haha, I was waiting for a proverbial mic drop after you read the compensation the employee gets. BOOM!

And no unions involved. Basic worker rights. E: I believe Walmart tried the same shit in Germany. The law is in principle the same for everyone.

@metalvideos1961

Жыл бұрын

well we do have unions in the netherlands though. and if you are a worker its good to be part of a union. my dad advised me to do that as well. Its better for any worker in the netherlands to be part of a Union. workers right in the netherlands are good. but its even better if you be part of a union.

This is exactly the reason you won't find Walmart in the Netherlands 🤣🚮 That company got owned by the Dutch💪🐐

I had kind of like a similar case, also work for an American company. Has been back a few years. Big reorganization, and that's more than a hundred people. Employees angry, and we have the right to strike in the Netherlands (think in Europe in general). We went on strike, the management took pictures of employees on strike, invate your private life. I am a trade union member, but that does not matter ( it's every 1 Union or not Dutch Law ), the management had to erase the images, under the watchful eye of the Union, court case lurking. Happened 100%? photos deleted. Yes!

Fabulous news. This is one reason why I'm moving to Europe next year

Hi Jovie! I have been watching some of your videos and absolutely love how warm your channel's entire vibe is. Love from the USA!

Our former US parent company was shocked to discover that it could not just fire dutch employees to suit its restructuring plans.

Hey Jovie! You tell the best stories and I always love hearing them! Good to see you and love the jewellery! 🎉

Hi Jovie, it would be the same in Germany, and hopefully in all EC countries. That requirement is illegal in the whole EC because of the GDPR. And this company can tell of luck because it wasnt fined for violating the GDPR, because that fines go anywhere from 20,0000 € up to 4% of the companies yearly total EBIT.

@zaklex3165

Жыл бұрын

The entire GDPR is a joke...I've always said if you wanted to maintain privacy then why did you get on the internet in the first place, anyone that expected/expects privacy online was/is just a complete fool. Nothing to hide so I don't care what they know.

@thodan467

Жыл бұрын

except the cost of the case

@metalvideos1961

Жыл бұрын

yes this counts for ever EU country countries that are part of the European Union.

@karstenbursak8083

Жыл бұрын

I remember Walmart trying similar stuff in Germany in the early 2000s

To what extent does the lack of properly functioning trade Unions affect the legal status of workers in the USA? Most of the rights workers have in the Netherlands (and in Europe) are the result of well-organised Unions that have made strong efforts to ensure good working conditions.

@ericfisher1360

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the Union. Some Unions that are tied to the State in the US are not dissimilar to what you are hearing about in the video, some are basically extortion rackets.

It’s not the first time this company ran afoul of Dutch labour law… the predecessor of this man also was judged to be wrongfully terminated.

Very good point you have shown us that watch your channel. Well done young lady. Thanks for sharing.

This whole "fired immediately" thing seems to be something fairly unique to the US, considering the developed world have actual labor laws that work. Not sure how this works in the Netherlands, but here all work have a contract (labor laws enforced by government entities). Even as a freshman you have a "trial period" where employers get to fire you but you have a 14 day guarantee. After trial period, say 3 months or so, this is expanded to a 3 month guarantee; from the day you are fired, you still get to work for 3 more months and time to find something new. Here that also works in reverse; you are legally obliged to continue to work for some time (1-3 months, I think it varies) after quitting. This allows employer time to find a replacement, and to me, this only sounds fair. Of course you can come to an agreement outside the contract to speed things up, but that usually involves economic compensation from the company. I still work from home; I get more done, don't get stressed by traffic and parking issues, less friction with others (but also less social for obvious reasons), and can flex my time better if needed. If required to get constant monitored - yeah, bye bye and no thanks - that's waaaaaay to intrusive on my privacy.

NICE!!! This warms my heart.

Wonderful story. No more words needed. 😊

I agree with the employee , my mom a Scottish biracial immigrant to the USA ? She started working for a federal company here in the USA about a year ago and she still works there? But the first week she was in training she had not only had to have her web cam on? She had to ask if she could use the bathroom in her own house?! She almost quit but didn’t cause I started having seizures sadly and needed the money for the medicines. Cause they are ungodly priced even with her insurance anyways now she liked her job cause she’s her own supervisor now but if she was in the Netherlands it would have been very different I’m sure better. And I agree with the employee he shouldn’t have been fired for not wanting his camera on cuz he’s got a right to his privacy. In HIS OWN HOME! I’d have been the same way.

Good information to know!! I’m guessing if I did not live in the US then I wouldn’t have been fired for trying to work from home at the beginning of the pandemic. 😢

@dicknr1

Жыл бұрын

Only in english native language countries you get treated as nothing. Its a problem ONLY in english nations of all western countries. Basically thats why the world laughs at USA but europe does the same with UK. They arent part of the Euro union, they dont abide to same laws, they dont treat the people well and have tons of problems with poverty and drugs abuse, its that they are officially part of the european continent but thats about it. Thats why we dont take anything serious when it comes to English nations. Always distrust the source until proven true. Sadly not many people will say this. but this is how kind of how all of the world sees English speaking countries, because they all share the same violations of human rights while proclaiming to be rich and free. if i do get comments below who disagree its only UK, USA, AUS comments, because lets be honest when did any north european nation for example ever say: Wauw UK, USA, AUS are so amazing I would love to live there for their freedoms or wealth. No, wealth we have too, with more freedoms too, so you never hear someone say excitedly to go to any english speaking nation to enjoy a better life. Funny enough the only people always bashing these comments are the hurt people who come from there and dont like to be told how bad it actually is and how pitiful these nations look to our societies and how much of a joke we find it. We still might wanna visit for the experience, but thats kind of all credits to give. And this applies to almost everything in a English native speaking country. It should be different but the entire English rule and culture that america desperately transformed into is all about abuse and lying and taking and everything that defines greed. America just copied that system. And they are proud of it too somehow.... Such a shameful thing isnt it?

Awesome. I do agree. Here in Canada, I hope the same outcome would happen, but I think it would be more difficult to fight unless you were in an unionized workplace. Often companies here screw young employees with such BS as they know they cannot or will not fight for their rights. Fortunately we are not quite as bad as the US, but I think we have a bit to go to get to the European standard.

Very nice vlog, so agree with the court! 🙏🙏

I once worked for a Dutch company that wrongfully terminated employees effective immediately ('op staande voet') as a rule, just so they wouldn't have to pay them severance, and just banked on not getting sued. The fact that this kind of termination meant that the former employee wasn't eligible for unemployment benefits was not their concern. Last I heard the management was replaced completely.

@wimschiphorst8541

Жыл бұрын

You can only be fired on the spot if you have committed a serious crime. For example, you robbed the boss for a long time. And then there is often a compensation to be paid by the company. Or a company has to reorganize in order not to go bankrupt. Then register with the UWV (a semi-government institution). These check whether what the company says is indeed correct. And check whether a good redundancy scheme has been agreed with the unions.

@rikakemme

Жыл бұрын

@@wimschiphorst8541 I know, they just didn't care. They just banked on people not bothering to do something about it and the sad thing was they were right every time.

36 years in the US and now in Europe. I see a big difference in work culture. America is such a mess. I am lucky I was able to escape. It was not an easy process.

I loved the video. Wish it had been around when our U.K. citizens voted on leave/stay in the E.U. One of the biggest losses was the E.U. court laws on Human Right.

@grahamsmith9541

Жыл бұрын

The Bill of Rights was introduced to parliament in June 2022. to repeal and replace the Human Rights Act 1998. Incorporating the rights contained in the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law. Making them enforceable by UK courts.

Hey Jovie, great video, good topic, love your enthousiasme and making sure you have the actual numbers and quotes. And if I may add; I think you look amazing both with your impecable make-up but also with the natural look while showing the jewelry! Love to see it, love to see you thrive :)

This reminds me of the American army during WW2 - when they came to be based in the UK 🇬🇧 they tried to impose segregation of black servicemen while here - the British said 'No way - not on our soil ' and it resulted in The Battle at Bamber Bridge 👍🇬🇧

My brother-in-law worked for a Danish company. He was the branch manager for the Netherlands and Belgium. An American company bought the company. Soon after acquiring the company, they appeared on the scene and fired my brother-in-law. A 30-minute or less process. He was not even allowed to formally say goodbye to his employees. He was not given a severance packet. He sued and received a great settlement. It took two years, but it was worth it. Not surprisingly, the US company is no longer operating in the Netherlands.

I love this. This shows the people accually have power to change things for better. I hope the company found a place where its shitty treatment of employees is tolerated and won't mess with EU employment standards again.

Good stuff. The French are notorious for being even more aggressive about this work-private balance stuff.

@SaharanKnight

Жыл бұрын

Vive la France! These comments are such a breath of fresh air for me working in the States and facing work issues.

YES! Love this story!!

I'm happy the Dutch court system stood up for the employee. It would be nice if that happend in the USA. Sadly, very doubtful. It's corporations/business's that are in charge. Makes you think twice about living and working in the US..

Honestly the compensation seems low to me when you take the salary into account 🤔 But yeah, definitely good they don't get away with that stuff here 😁

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

It's roughly a year of unemployment benefits (which are 70% of your last salary), so I guess they based it on that.

@-_YouMayFind_-

Жыл бұрын

It was a year salary. Obviously he doesn't get the year salary although he does get 50000+8000+9000 so technically he comes close and besides they needed to find him a new job elsewhere I believe.

I still love the reaction of my American manager when I told her I will be on vacation for 3 weeks in the summer, 1 week between Christmas and new year and 1 week in may. I thought she would explode. I didn’t even dare to tell her at that moment those vacations were only 25 of my 37 paid vacation days 😀

Love, love, love this!

Work life balance is important in Europe. four weeks and all holidays get fully paid. When you get sick you get fully paid.And your workplace is secure. The company can't fire you when you are sick. And you have to take your 4 weeks vacation in the first year, you don't have to wait 12 months. European workers has rights what US workers dönt have. looks like they are like slaves. i have a American friend he says always, to go back to the US no thanks. i have here more rights and more Freedom then in the US. The next step is to get the citizenship so i can give back the US Citizenship

In itself, the companies' wish to verify that someone is actually present during the course is not unreasonable (though it may show a lack of trust), but demanding the camera to be on for the entire day is- that _is_ an invasion of privacy in my book. If they really wanted that all-day supervision, they should have required the employee to come to a central location for that course. Firing someone for just stating his objections to that without any other ground and without even having a conversation about it is totally unreasonable, of course.

Great story and i see you are really enjoying it.

Nice to hear that. TOP !!!!

Being an IT exec in the NL myself, I know from first hand that it takes a lot! to fire an employee because of non-performance. Usually it requires at minimum a 'reason for termination- file', in which all letters, memos, emails, notes, meeting minutes, etc are included in which the manager (+ HR department) observed certain behaviors that were not in line with the employee contract or company policies. And the corrective action agreements that followed. After a number of violation warnings you can usually make such a complaint stick with the courts easily. But having no file, no reason for termination, is a Gods sin in NL. Firing a person without a 'file', on the spot, is doomed to fail. I do not understand how Chetu NL HR did not know that. It's trivial. Perhaps HR was based in the US? I once led an IT-department on ad-interim basis, and got the former head of IT, the IT-boss before me, who had then been demoted to Project manager, but who refused to leave the company, as an added bonus. I went straight to HR and negotiated an exit package for the guy as he was nothing but a pain in the butt. It cost the company around 160K in severance pay to complete the exit. It was worth it though...

I completely agree with the statement, but there is also a downside here in the Netherlands. I am an employer myself and once lost a case against an ex-employee because the judge "didn't care" for me as an employer and I couldn't tell my side of the story. In the Netherlands there is a very strong idea that the employer is very rich regardless of how small the company and that the employee works to earn his living and is therefore always the lesser. But an employer also has to eat. Now someone from the municipality has destroyed my company. She has been fired but the municipality does not want to do anything further. I can't go anywhere because I have a huge debt and can't get a lawyer. Agencies such as Victim Support and Legal Counter and Human Rights etc. do not help employers, so I am on my own. So, because of this person who has been fired cause she was wrong, I lost my company and maybe my house. My dreams for the future are over and gone.

@ericfisher1360

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I am an American who lives here in the Netherlands, albeit I just work manual labor. (Wife is Dutch) My wife who works in middle management can sympathize with your situation. The protections given for non productive employees is ridiculous. Mind you we are not business owners so I couldn't begin to imagine what it is like seeing a business you worked to create going up in flames because it is effectively illegal to protect it from bad employees.

I REALLY enjoy your channel ❤😊

I love the way you went about this story. I guess the lawyer in you came out as well. Lol.. You are awesome. 🥰

Well said ! :)

In the US the people are slaves off the system! While in Europe the people have the power to have privacy without the risk of beeing fired ,under the protection off the law!! Crazyyyy!!

Thank you for making these videos! Never listen to the people hating on you. I am currently in the USA still and it is heartbreaking seeing how people say America is the best place in the world so they do not need to do anything to change it. It is very sad because society here keeps degrading everyday. I just hope that all this conflict here in the states does not blow up to a civil war. As a parent you did the right choice moving away. I wish you the best!

@SaharanKnight

Жыл бұрын

"People say America is the best place so they don't need to do anything to change it." Certainly, people are like that! But they will complain of course and sometimes really lash out and so act in unhealthy ways. I am American born but I see Americans as having a rebel mentality, and I think I know where a lot of that comes from.

Chetu a software development Co based in Florida has support staff in India, possibly other developing countries thought they could hoodwink a civilized country/continent. I love the vigour of american free enterprise but they feel they can impose their beliefs and dominance outside their country. Imagine working for companies that only pays 2 weeks holidays a year or no Fed maternity leave. Good grief..

@rido1274

Жыл бұрын

2 weeks hollidays? I worked in Miami 1994/95 as a Dutch employer under Dutch law for a Dutch company. Most were American, who had to earn their 2 week hollidays. After 5 years: 1 week, after 10 years: 2 weeks. I had a total of 38 days off each year from the start and enjoyed all Dutch social benefits. No limited sick days etc.

@andiman45

Жыл бұрын

@@rido1274 I was kinda generalizing. Im in Vancouver and our labour laws are 2 weeks off a year vacation, no dental or extended health benefits, unless offered this at start up or with a union. Provincial Govt just implemented a 5 day a year sick time which is monumental in North America. Also there is no healthcare premiums people need to pay.

American companies have been treating their employees stateside horribly for decades, American workers have been putting up with it for a few reasons... One, because they simply don't know better, but Two, because Americans are dependent on their employers for health insurance and live in fear of losing their jobs and healthcare!

I agree with everything in that case. He deserved all the money he was to be paid for wrongful dismissal and invasion of privacy.

Even worse, a company cannot just terminate you. They can put you on paid inactive status, but termination can only happen with prior approval from the government employment agency or a court, and neither would give approval in cases like this (as you'd be able to present your case to them before they make their decision). I've had a somewhat similar situation with a British company. They tried to impose British labour law on us working in their Dutch office, especially British sick leave regulation (which are far worse than Dutch ones, including no pay when on sick leave) and only unpaid vacation time (both of which are illegal in the Netherlands). That didn't go down well, obviously, and they quickly had to change their tune. Then they tried to impose an illegal dress code, requiring all male employees to wear a 3 piece suit all day every day, mandated down to the style and colour of underwear (I kid thee not) without including any restrictions on the female workers apart from "skirts or trousers below the knee, belly button covered". We got them for that one because of its explicit gender discrimination. Within months they started laying off their entire Dutch staff and moving all operations to London.

Hilarious how the ex-employee was awarded more than his yearly salary. Good on The Netherlands for not letting business trample on the rights of workers.

this story made me smile :)

Why do I still live in the states? ? ?

@nagranoth_

Жыл бұрын

Haven't found a job elsewhere? Can't afford to leave? You're used to things as they are and like so many people won't actually get out of that rut without a good kick?

That is good news. What I can say is I am part of the Works Council at a contact center. This camera thing, was and still is, a hot topic as our american company demands us to switch on the camera and put our picture in their database which can be visited from outside. As per the Dutch AVG (GDPR for Entire EU), they are not allowed to demand any of this. Even worse, about one year ago Teleperformance was taken to court for this as also they demanded to have the camera switched on the entire day. You will understand the judge told as per AVG this was not allowed and so they had to stop it immediately or a fine would follow.

I was working for an American BPO in Mumbai. And they seems very professional but when my salary came I didn't received my internet reimbursement and food meal and also my Over time.and I complaint them . And That was the day the came after me and they were simply harrassing me by saying your work is not good and blah blah. So stopped doing Over time and didn't asked for anything but they still after me the reason was they wanted me to do overtime but don't want to pay. Once I did a 12 hour shift for a whole week which made 18 hours of overtime.But when my salary came they said that you only worked 7.5 hours every day and you were short of your daily working ours. Hence I left the job. HR department is good for nothing.

@eattherich9215

Жыл бұрын

HR is management's creature.

I wonder how this will work out on the workplace itself, since that is what a lot of companies are trying to push. I do love your gleefulness in this video lol

That's the way it should work.

Its a cool story and Im glad the employee got what he rightfully deserverd, although we do enjoy better legal protection compared to other countries; in the last 20 years labor protection also been under pressure. And in some areas has been severly scaled down, and more difficult for ordinary people/employees to get legal help. So staying vigilant as Dutch citizens & residents is important. Just like any where else corporate lobby groups are strong and have a lot breath. As for Chetu not being aware of Dutch laws by it self already says a lot of the company. As a Dutch buisness owner who also has a production facility in Switzerland. The first thing I did when I planned the Switzerland facility; was to hire some one who knew their legal system, and also was able to tell me more about their work culture/customs & ethics.

Geweldige video !

I love your videos!!!! I’m currently working on getting hubby and I financially able to roll out of the US. We’re thinking of settling in Portugal but Netherlands will be our first stop in Europe. Would love to see you😃 Have a great day!❤️

For any American employers watching: Loyalty is grown in confidence and the employees right to support their private life. Working from home is a privilege, for sure, but it also means you trust your employee to do the right thing. Constantly trying to monitor people is counterproductive. Same goes for your insane focus on production during business hours. Workers will actually also be more productive if you give them some freedom over their own time at work, believe it or not. Trust your people, it will benefit you more than trying to push and control them constantly. Mind you, if you give them this trust, it's not for free! You can still fire people if they actually misbehave or fail to meet goals.

It sounds like a fair ruling. Not sure that the same ruling wouldn't happen here in the U.S..

Great result.