Dustin Rhodes Reveals HATRED For WCW Creative Team!
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In this clip, Dustin Rhodes talks exclusively to Inside The Ropes about when he went to WCW and created the Seven character only for the WCW creative team to fumble the character and how frustrated he was with this and the hatred he felt for them!
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Would you like to see the return of Seven? Let us know in the comments!
@TeddyBelcher4kultrawide
8 ай бұрын
Nobody ever liked him in WCW I’m sorry.
@pilotamurorei
8 ай бұрын
What I want? You to stop censoring the interviews you cowards.
@KandJHorrordotcom
8 ай бұрын
I loved the way he hovered when he went to the ring. Looked cool, too.
@dhotnessmcawesome9747
8 ай бұрын
@@pilotamuroreiHow can you tell? They're always impossibly quiet.
@Yoni123
8 ай бұрын
Seven looked awesome. Too bad they did the "work shoot" thing with it...
The Seven shoot promo was hilarious and one of my favorites to this day.
@dsfddsgh
8 ай бұрын
Didn't help that he looked like uncle Fester. 🤣
@VictorLugosi
8 ай бұрын
@@dsfddsghhe didn’t..
@jdel2315
7 ай бұрын
Yes The "Seven" in ring promo I always knew was from the heart...very memorable! !! Unscripted is without a doubt the most entertaining
Man, I love that Dustin was a fan of Dark City! A truly unique Goth-Noir Fantasy which was a great idea for a wrestling persona actually. Just imagine the feud he could have had against Crow Sting? Funnily enough The Crow & Dark City were both directed by Alex Proyas. If WCW had booked Seven vs Sting they could have hired Proyas himself to shoot the vignettes.
@johnm3907
8 ай бұрын
The matrix copied it, it even has the same sets
@SSS.1984
8 ай бұрын
@@johnm3907The Matrix may be the most derivative film of it's day. Dark City & Ghost In The Shell instantly come to mind as well as a little known 1996 film called Crossworlds. Personally I don't think that The Wachowskis have ever made a film as good as their 1996 debut, Bound.
@henryviper9091
7 ай бұрын
I came to share the same sentiments! I need to rewatch Dark City again, it's been years but it really makes me respect the Seven character a lot more knowing it was supposed to aim for something along those lines.
@MartyMcK
5 ай бұрын
The same Director as The Crow. 🤘
@The80sWolf_
4 ай бұрын
I miss Proyas movies, now he just makes shorts
I was there in Indianapolis when he came out. Definitely one of the coolest entrances ever.
@KingSausage74
8 ай бұрын
Me too!!!
Not gonna lie, 25k almost justified the entrance, it was pretty badass for 1999 lol.
@LarsOfTheMohicans
8 ай бұрын
Imagine if Seven feuded with Glacier, would've been legendary. Winner of the feud keeps his expensive entrance.
I was so disappointed when that didn't happen, I was hyped over just the vignettes. I get the networks and sponsors, but still, that could of went somewhere, but 95 goldust is highly underrated
@CaptainRedbeard.
8 ай бұрын
I wasn't too excited for Seven I'll be honest, but I agree with the latter part of your comment. 95 Golddust was sooo underrated.
@vapeymcvape5000
8 ай бұрын
*Could have
I know I'm late to the game but I must express that I feel like Dustin Rhodes is such a confident, creative genius. IMO. I thank my lucky stars he is who he is because he's actually inspiring to me. I admit that at the time I didn't fully appreciate the true level of individuality and expertise that made what he did possible. But looking back nowadays, I'm thankful for people like him with a true passion of wrestling entertainment. He showed us what is possible.
25k to float to the ring is ridiculous though.
Dustin is one of my favorite people. I LOVE these interviews! Dustin and Chris Jericho are the best!
So after years of everyone assuming Seven was a Russo character that Dustin decided to kill off it turns out the opposite was true.
@daf4ever
8 ай бұрын
No you are incorrect. Russo was all in for the Seven character but his bosses (TBS) hated it. There was a promo 1 week before with Seven in front of the window with a kid in his room. After TBS saw that creepy promo they ordered Russo to stop using that character. So Russo told Dustin they have to stop it and they went for a shoot.
@realretrorelapse
7 ай бұрын
What? I thought everyone knew it was Dustin's character that execs canned because the videos made him look like a pedo stealing children. There're also hella videos about this on youtube.
@VirgilZandig
5 ай бұрын
The videos started airing a couple weeks before Russo signed with WCW, so definitely not his creation.
@paulghignon4092
4 ай бұрын
@@realretrorelapse The execs did can the idea, but it wasn't pedo stuff. It's hard for people to comprehend how scary these promos came across as back then. We're talking a decade where the exorcist was considered one of the scariest movies of all time, but pails in comparison to the things we consider scary now. People weren't as desensitized to horror as they are now.
@frankstallone3864
Ай бұрын
@paulghignon4092 no one was scared except execs because he looked like a pedo. Pretending that people weren't familiar with horror movies is ludicrous.
The Dustin shoot was my greatest WCW moment! I loved it and talk about it with friends to this day!😊
@TheChadTI
7 ай бұрын
He seems like a good dude.
@toddsmods.623
7 ай бұрын
U actually have friends with conversations like that.
That time on AEW when the dark order wanted to recruit him and they said "join us you can be number 7" 😁😁😁😁😁 pure gold!! Loved it!!!!
Nobody seems to get the Dark City / Seven connection. I’m glad he states it here so nobody can deny that was the inspiration.
@JackDelamotte-cq3vb
7 ай бұрын
Undertaker rip off that's all seven was with the hat
@Maggot39967
4 ай бұрын
@@JackDelamotte-cq3vb Seems a little more creative than a ripoff but I get the point you're making. Scary gimmick = Undertaker unfortunately.
So being a teenager when this was going down, I was super into and excited for the Seven character. And I was bummed when they killed it.
Dark City is such an amazing underrated piece of work. Of course Dustin loved the movie! I did too, it's great!
@alanguages
7 ай бұрын
It had the same director as the Crow, so there was a great gothic feel for movie. Too bad Alex Proyas hasn't done similar type of work like those two ever since.
Dark City is one of my favorites too.
Dustin Rhodes in very underrated as a pro wrestler. And WCW completely dropped the ball when it came to Rhodes...
@green49285
7 ай бұрын
Disagree. He may be underrated to CASUAL fans, but hardcores have known him forever. Goldust is beloved by a lot.
@johncook9392
7 ай бұрын
@@green49285 Casual fans are still fans nonetheless. So you do seem to agree at least somewhat.
@green49285
7 ай бұрын
@johncook9392 I mean KINDA. my only disagreement is on the fact that hardcores DEFINITELY know who he is. Youd have to be pretty young or not SUPER into wrestling to not know who he is, which I'd wager is a minority.
@johncook9392
7 ай бұрын
@@green49285 I don't disagree with you. But as a new generation of wrestlers and fans come in.... I also remember that Goldust seemed to get a lot of hate for being "gay", which even as a HUGE Razor Ramon fan I never hated on Goldust (I assume you remember that angle)... I think that era/time frame and the hate he got for the character's "sexuality" makes me think he was underappreciated even by old school and/or hardcore fans...
I never knew about 7 until a few tears ago. I was wondering why the hell it didnt work out.. I was under the impression that Rhodes hated it. Just by what he was saying on the debut of 7. I never thought he liked it. Let alone created the character. Would have been nice to see that character grow like he said.
Dark City was one of my all time favorites
That might be the single most deceptive headline for any video ever.
@TheParappa
8 ай бұрын
True. I fell for it too.
@Yoni123
8 ай бұрын
He said he hated Vince so its not that far off to say team. Ive seen much worse titles
I seen it as a cross of Dark City and Powder. But I love how when Dark Order was recruiting, they told Dustin he could be #7 as a kick to the character. Seven would have worked well with Undertaker's Ministry. It would work great now, as a heel, have Darby turn on Sting, and join Seven, as his protege
He is definitely a legend I hope he will be adapted to the WWE Hall of Fame very soon.
Seven would've worked. However it wouldn't have lasted long given WCW was on borrowed time.
Seven Could have worked if they didn't have the Kid made him into this horror character like the fiend
"So they dressed me up like Uncle Fester, to play trick or treat, all year long." The Seven character would have been interesting to see if they had let it go on a bit longer, just to see how it would have played out. But with Russo's "creative" knowledge, if you can call it that, he would have run it dead and Goldust would have returned to WWF within the year.
@MisterK-YT
2 ай бұрын
Can you fill me in on who Vince Russo is?
Seven looked fucking awesome that could've been an amazing Heel that entrance floating to the ring the theme was awesome that would've been I get they didn't wanna hint at a child abductor but it could've worked he looked a bit like a cross between Freddy Krueger and Pinhead he could've been a sick demonic character abducting people ( not kids ) he could've been all about people needing to suffer with him needing to absolve them of their sins I dunno lol but I really liked how he looked as Seven that could've been awesome
@andrewblanchard2398
8 ай бұрын
HELLRAISER JUDGEMENT did that concept don't watch it it's a horrible movie
I just looked up those vignettes and holy hell that is some creepy stuff it’s more unsettling than anything else
someone needs to ask dustin who's idea it was to shoot a live action promos for acclaim's wwf warzone game.
I really would like to know why it was so expensive, 25k for every entrance. They already had the floating steel rope from Stings entrances. So hanging him to the rope and floating him out was 25k? HOW?
@jesseperry9602
7 ай бұрын
Sting really only ever just came straight down on one cable. To have Dustin attached to 2 cables, lift him up, move him from the ramp to the ring, lift him up again and then set him down in the ring....the precise movement and amount of rigging that would take would no doubt be costly...you know, if you wanted to hire professionals to do it
@dasstu
5 ай бұрын
probably all the dry ice, smoke and fire.
unpopular opinion; I thought the Seven gimmick was cool
Dark City! Awesome movie.
It'd be funny if he got to do a version of this on AEW because he's on TBS again.
And I believed his in ring promo about not wanting to do it! I don't know how he could of made it work but he's the only person whoever could have pulled off Goldust who is one of my favorite wrestlers!
The kid who’s eyes turned black was Cody Rhodes. That’s when the Nightmare truly began lol
How do u see the full interview?
Wonderful insight!!
I’m so glad we got him vs Cody
@theboombody
7 ай бұрын
Phenomenal match.
He said Vince Russo and almost threw up. I am dying here
When he went out there and said that seven was a ridiculous character. He made seven likeable. He won the crowd when he did that.
What's funny is Dark City was made by New Line which is owned by Warner Brothers
Dustin Rhodes is a fan of Dark City? I see he's a man of culture
Thats amazing! That segment I watched live as it aired and to this day to this very moment that I am here watching this video I maintained in my minds eye that he didn’t really (for the most part) break kafabe and dump on everything that we loved about Dustin throughout his career! (Again for the most part) Because it hurt me as a fan! I loved the entrance I was intrigued by the character then to find out that he not only hated the gimmick but Goldust as well I was a bit hurt as a fan. Bc gimmicks aside Dustin is a really great in ring performer! So I was bummed, it was like being insulted by the one you admire for being a fan of his. Alec Guinness O.G. Obi-Wan once insulted a 10 yr old fan who asked for an autograph bc Alec felt Star Wars was childish nonsense. (Alec wanted to work with Lucas more than he wanted to be in SW) it felt like that. So I am finally relieved to know that it was a work a Kayfabe/shoot with understandable notes of truth.
Itll be interesting seeing how fans digest this. I also assumed he never wanted to do it.
I'm surprised that they didn't cut to commercial and cut him off!He was pissed off and shooting! He definitely drawed heat!
i wonder now when did he find out that it actually was the network wanting the character killed off and not just Russo trying to screw him, cause he said he believed it was Russo fucking around and he just said ok fine, but when and who confirmed that no it really was Turner saying no we can't do that
Criminally under rated movie...
No way it cost that much each time. No way
i saw the dark city movie, great movie
How many ways can you package the same video?
Bring it back
Had no idea the character was his idea. The characte was awful, but now I know why it was that terrible. They didn't let him do what he intendet to. A problem you still have today. Wrestler go to the boss (like Vince) tell him an idea and they just ignore him and made the do some nonsense or let them guard catering. Dustin is sooo talented and it happens twice to him in 2 different companies.
Had Dark city on video, thought it was ok film, he could have feuded with Undertaker
Seven could of have a good feud with Sting.
People forget at the time, Turner broadcasting was not fucking with edgy programming whatsoever. One of the things that kept them from growing at one point since WWF went full blown attitude era. That's not to say they weren't doing contemporary programming but compared to WWF, it was like watching a teen nick show.
Crazy cause thr promo was so.good.he made me believe he hated.seven.and Goldust foreal
People so called HATED WCW! But had no problem staying there. Some until the end.
Yeah at the end of 99 Standards and Practices was at tv all the time so Seven had no chance.
As a child I was glad they immediately killed that character. Scared the shit out of me
“And oh, btw, I’m seven”. Lol
Golddust was an awesome character, made everyone look a million bucks.
One of the goat entrances ever
his entrance was awesome
Oh. Didnt know that was Dustin's idea, but the suits didnt like it. And AEW was probably gonna bring that idea back via The Dark Order. Evil Uno mentioned the number, but Brodie Lee unfortunately passed. Hopefully Dustin uses the gimmick as a final thing before retiring.
Imagine a gimmick where the wrestler kayfabe hates his gimmick and every promo is a worked shoot about how much he hates his opponent AND his gimmick.
Seven could have worked, but now with WCW at the time he was coming in. WCW at that point was on the downward slide and it probably would have been two weeks before Seven was fighting Mike Awesome in a fat chick on a pole match or some other nonsense for no reason.
its sad no one knows about dark city
It's a real shame that Dustin became a jobber after all these years. I was hoping he'd be successful like Cody.
@martindoll5884
7 ай бұрын
He is not exactly a jobber. A lot of the people he jobbed to in Aew he trained before they hit the ring. He was putting them over and help build them
@darrenhigham753
7 ай бұрын
Some people really mis understand what a “jobber” really does There’s another name for them “carpenter” as Barry Horowitz calls them
@SpeakingReality1
7 ай бұрын
@@martindoll5884 Right, and sacrificed his own career for them. That's the sad part. He comes from a legacy family and I was hoping he'd keep the name alive.
Most people think that the Seven character was Russo's idea, and since they hate Russo they think the character was terrible by default. Honestly, it's the kind of thing that gives you very little hope for human beings. It was a brilliant character, and it would have been brilliant no matter who's idea it was. I wish Dustin would have brought the character back in AEW as the new leader of The Dark Order. It would have breathed new life into the group by making them actually interesting again like they were with Brody Lee. They've been the drizzling shits since Brody's death. I think they're mainly on RoH now and are back to being heels, but I don't watch RoH and from what I've seen they are still a shell of what they were. Hell, over half of the group is gone and they're down to like 3 (possibly 4) members I think not counting negative one. Anyway, if not Dark Order leader, I would have at least liked to have seen a one-off return for Halloween or something. Would have been super nostalgic and probably gone down it history much like it did back in WCW. Everyone remembers Seven because the character was loaded to the brim with Mystique.
@AngryDad.
7 ай бұрын
I can't imagine caring this much about a dumb wrestling gimmick 😂 get out more bud
@JMFSpike
7 ай бұрын
@@AngryDad. I'm sure you have your favorite shows or sports and have discussed them with people. So maybe don't be such a hypocrite?
Golddust with Marlena is my favorite wrestler ever. Marlena especially. Terri is a beautiful woman 😍 But Golddust for his time was so outlandish and odd. Definitely Dustin's best gimmick.
This character would work well in 2024 if instead of turning kid's eyes black and creeping out kids, he is taking away vape cartridges from the divorced dads that watch aew and telling them about the terror of working a full-time job.
Anything cool or creative would never have lasted anyways with all the inmates running that asylum back then. Imagine this Seven did take off and get over only for nwo to jump and spray paint him whenever they felt like it
I never thought either of the Rhodes kids were any good in the ring
Love dark city, so underrated
Lol steven rhoads... WCW was THE SHIT. The creative team was SO GREAT, that vince had to buy it out snd destory it. And seven wasnt your creation, you even said that when you quit LIVE ON TV. I literally watched the clip ten seconds ago "THEY GOT ME OUT HERE DRESS UP LIKE UNCLE FESTER, BUT THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU WILL DISRESPECT MY FATHER, MY FAMILY AND ME!" And why are u saying vince created the idea of seven? He didnt own WcW for another 3 years lololol
Wow. Dude gets better everytime he speaks.
Even his theme song was pretty much identical to Dark City lmao
The Rhodes family has gotten every character over that they've ever had.
If you told me Se7en character or goldust character... I'd say Se7en had more of a chance to get over tbh. Sad it never came to fruition
Sounds like something Cornette would absolutely loathe and despise. I feel the same way.
@codesm96
8 ай бұрын
Dustin wanted the character to work but because TBS wouldn't allow him to go all the way with the character because they found it too gruesome and scary for children, Dustin and Russo had to make other plans for the network which sucks since Dustin confirmed Russo helped write some of the craziest Goldust stories and promos which actually got over so were hoping to do the same in WCW with Seven. Anyways, who cares about what Cornette thinks only? There are others in the business who have just as important, if not more important input to give. Not like Cornette ever had a hand in booking or writing some of the most watched TV segments, matches and PPVs unlike the guy he's been jealous of for nearly three decades.
TBS now fine with Moxley swearing and blood every week
Imagine seven vs taker ?
Saying that WCW creatives had any talent is giving them far more credit than they deserve.
they could've cut the salaries of HOGAN & NASH to afford the entrance
Who is shocked to find out the little kid in the promos was his little brother Cody Rhodes 😮😮
Now that he said Dark City, I entirely see the gimmick.
I KNEW Seven was supposed to be based on Dark City!!! Well I feel vindicated
Did he prevent people from talking about Black Reign like he does on Twitter?
I had no idea that kid was Cody
Vince Russo don’t know how to attach his wrestlers to things and I mean that from the O hart
So TV guidelines screwed us out of a character gimmick inspired by Dark City and that would have involved a young Cody Rhodes in storyline vignettes? Geez.
I find it funny when he's sitting here talking about how much this potential it had, when I've never seen anyone do a wrestling video about this ever without seeing every wrestling youtuber ever just crap all over it with how stupid it was.
It was always going to be compared to undertaker because of the hat and cost. Should have went another route
Didnt like seven.. Goldust was original very sexual stating the obvious but i thought some of the Goldust vignettes with his tone of voice and that music in the background was more creepy than seven
I honestly do not believe this story. It makes no sense to completely kill the character. There was something else to this.
Seven could’ve been great if the vignettes were too creppy they bc could’ve just cut them off
I thought he hated it all these years.
I don't believe that he loved the Seven character. I seriously doubt that
$25,000 for a single entrance is insane. Shows how much money they were making back then
@Kfowlkes09
2 ай бұрын
More like how much money they were blowing
He isnt telling the truth. That promo was all piss and vinegar. He didnt want it to work One of the first things he said was look at the crap they have me in. He didnt want the character to work.
Yo dustin goldust is an all timer