Dugtrio ISN'T Banned in Gen 3 OU. But Why?
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Pokemon Gen 3 Competitive Singles is my favourite format. Despite being banworthy in every single other Generation of OU, Arena Trap is fully legal in Gen 3. While in Later Gens Dugtrio is centralizing and can trap important targets very safely and reliably, Dugtrio is a manageable presence in Gen 3 that struggles to get in safely and also sacrifices momentum when it Locks into a move to trap something.
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Iron Brian definitely needs our help to reach Paldea quickly and safely with his middling 77 base speed
@jayanths1221
11 ай бұрын
Middling? More like mediocre.
@Feroror
11 ай бұрын
@@jayanths1221Mediocre? More like Bad
@relo999
11 ай бұрын
@@Feroror Bad? More like Abysmal
@filipantic5801
11 ай бұрын
Ahh i see his place in trick room teams already
@h2o684
11 ай бұрын
Bad? More like unusable
imagine if dugtrio got renamed to "dugdugdug"
@anusthing
11 ай бұрын
Honestly with dudunsparce, this is a possible evolution lol
@noysam3570
11 ай бұрын
or diglettdiglettdiglett
@hanswurst9120
11 ай бұрын
And Diglett to Doug?
@Royyy13
11 ай бұрын
I like Dugcubed
@BlazeSLK
11 ай бұрын
@@Royyy13me too. 1³ is the same as 1x3 anyway so it works!
I always find it funny when I trap their skarm with magneton then my magneton is trapped by dug, then my porygon2 traps their dug. Just a chain of carnage.
@Imitationist
11 ай бұрын
Have you tried the same team but with Hariyama over Mag?
Came for the gen 3 ou analysis, stayed for Iron Brian and Great Neck
It's sad how Iron Brian is at least getting some recognition, yet everyone's just forgotten about the future paradox form of Dachsbun, Iron Breads
@tomgorey9294
11 ай бұрын
And it's past form, big wheat
@bg8561
11 ай бұрын
Iron Breads? No... It's *Iron Buns* !!
@honjon666
11 ай бұрын
@@tomgorey9294 sourdogh
Without Dugtrio, the meta would probably be DDTar and Heracross spam. Not to mention Blissey would become even harder to deal with. Wouldn't be nearly as varied.
@Victini0510
11 ай бұрын
Very similar to Snorlax in GSC. It's the lynchpin that holds the meta together
Arena trap is also legal in Gen 8 LC and although Diglett is one of the best mons there, it is not alone and faces competition from Trapinch.
@arthurrezende4943
11 ай бұрын
Until the tera nation attacked... yikes
@christopherdangelo1292
4 ай бұрын
Tbh I think it was also the fact it got sd
@christopherdangelo1292
4 ай бұрын
Because I doubt tera alone would have done it without it not just being an efficient trapper, but it also actually threatening a sweep with, say, tera dark sucker punch
I need more gen 3 OU lore
Dugtrio is also legal in Gen 4 UU :) Although I think it's possible that it could get banned if Gen 4 UU was more developed.
@BladeRabbit
11 ай бұрын
Arena trap got banned in DPP after the format ended, its just they lock tiers/dont update the smogon sets. But yes for a time Dugtrio was UU with arena trap.
@tyler4965
11 ай бұрын
@@BladeRabbit arena trap is still legal in uu I believe
@frogwhisperer4268
11 ай бұрын
@@BladeRabbit Nah Arena trap is banned in OU but not UU. Google "DPP Arena Trap (Dugtrio) [Arena Trap is banned]" and go to post #13
@geometryemperor
11 ай бұрын
@@tyler4965 so is Sand Veil by the way. They are only banned from OU. Because of this, Dugtrio is unusable in OU, but can be used in UU.
@kirbymontrey3897
11 ай бұрын
Wait arena trap is legal in gen4 uu? Wtf
Tyranitar: AAAHH!!!! WHY AREN'T YOU BANNED?? Dugtrio: **traps Tyranitar and Earthquakes it** Tyranitar: NOOOOOOO!!!!!
I really dug this video on our favorite area trapper's balanced role in ADV
@peet-janissen5838
11 ай бұрын
i don't get it
Ban dugtrio. - this message brought to you by the Ttar and Metagross gang
@tomgorey9294
11 ай бұрын
Tar takes a band eq from full
@DkKobaADV
11 ай бұрын
@@tomgorey9294 only if bulk invested 252 Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 328-386 (95.9 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO Also less than half the time after a spike with bulk (Also weird you assume the person with ADV in their username doesn't know this :p)
Another factor is that team preview tells you exactly who you need Dugtrio for, so it's easier to use.
@alejandrop.s.3942
11 ай бұрын
What team preview? Is that feature in Showdown?
@shadowdraqon2479
11 ай бұрын
You really don’t know what team preview is?
@thechronocrator
11 ай бұрын
@@alejandrop.s.3942 Team Preview is when you get to see the opponent's team at the start and pick your lead. Not a feature until Gen 5! Not a Showdown invention.
@alejandrop.s.3942
11 ай бұрын
@@thechronocrator I see, I only played till gen 4. Thanks for answering.
@bharatgoel8809
11 ай бұрын
I'd argue that team preview makes dug worse, since opponents will always be wary of its presence and can play smartly. This is pretty much exactly why team preview destroyed zoroark
Dugtrio when theres a superman team: 💀
Another big addition for Dugtrio in gen 4 - life orb. It got to keep similar power while not getting locked into earthquake.
I’ve theorized that former OU king Tyranitar, has made it’s way to the RU tier, only to defeat controversial Pokémon Iron Mugulis and it’s crew. Tyranitar’s typing makes it good against Iron Fellow and Spidops, and the SpDef boost it gets allows it to fair well against Mugulis. With a simple moveset of Rock Blast, Crunch, Earthquake and protect, it can defeat all 3, leaving only Garganacl and Old Money, which Iron Brian can go up against, to help our altruistic hero. Let’s hope Tyranitar and Iron Brian can end these menaces once and for all
Surprised you didn't mention Explosion as a gen 3 pivot move. It definitely does enough chip damage to allow Dugtrio to KO.
@sideways5153
11 ай бұрын
That’s such a hard commitment that I think everything said about Baton Pass applies to Explosion/Selfdestruct as well
@Imitationist
11 ай бұрын
Ghost Types are also common in gen 3, most common being Gengar who only takes damage from Sand, Burn and direct attacks. Gengar also packs WoW to neuter physical attackers.
@Sonicfan640
11 ай бұрын
@@Imitationist pretty sure Gengar is the only common ghost type in Gen 3 singles. And as common as it is, a lot of Metagross and Claydol sets still choose to run Explosion anyway. I wouldn't have mentioned Explosion if it wasn't a commonly used move.
Youve single handedly made me have a love for gen 3 ou
Thanks for getting it right. Too many people say it was gen 6 first, when it was gen 7 as you said
Dugtrio gets checked by any Flying type and Porygon2.
Love the gen 3 ou analysis. Really highlighted its differeneces from future metas and the explanations were quite thorough but also concise. Really like your vids!
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Kinda interesting how buffing both entry hazards and pivot moves didn’t cancel out, and actually escalated the overall power level of the format in a lot of ways. Like, the intended counterplay to volt switch/u-turn was clearly supposed to be toxic spikes or stealth rock, but the two things kinda just ran parallel to each other and caused significant power creep. Less slap-fighting, more deciding games based on cutting-edge team building. Mixed attacking sets fading away and the rise of weather/terrain/etc centric teams are probably a consequence of power creep making less efficient/streamlined teams less viable
Love the content man keep it up!
I think kind of shows that in the right context, even very op abilities can be healthy for the game. It seems that area trap is only op because the ability to switch got easier along with with dugtrio getting slightly bette. If switching moves never happen, area trap may be not oppressive, though I agree that be less fun for the game.
Legit one of the best Pokémon videos, this was super entertaining hit also informative
thank you for making this video. I was wondering the same.
I think because there are enough Pokemon in OU with the Flying type and or Levitate ability as well as the fact that Dugtrio cannot stat boost or do cheap moves like Wobbuffett.
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I hope that Iron Brian will be a valuable asset against any future iron mugulis activity. It is good we have someone who knows how a future paradox thinks and acts.
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Ngl I thought that in later gens ghost types in general are immune to trapping, like not just shadow tag, but also arena trap. I guess not. Great video, this really shows how many big changes were introduced across generations.
@jimothycool
11 ай бұрын
Ghosts are also immune to Arena Trap, most of Dugs targets aren't Ghosts though
@dispentryporter8621
11 ай бұрын
They are immune to Arena Trap and all other forms of trapping, not just Shadow Tag.
@lupuszero9879
11 ай бұрын
@@jimothycool Aaaah I see, that makes sense, thanks for clearing it up
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Ngl this gen 3 content is really makin me consider that subscribe button
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Enjoying all this gen 3 ou content
The Spirit of Great Tusk (Peace Be Upon Him) lives on in Iron Brian.
Dugtrio is such an interesting Pokemon! I didn't know about its role in the metagame
If Jim had simply switched Milo straight into Charizard at 8:30, Jim would have not been able to eliminate Jim’s Blissey so easily. An amateur error by Jim who has a long way to go before reaching Jim’s level.
Please keep the Gen 3 content coming! I never have played one competitive game of Pokémon but I love Gen 3!!!!!
Iron Brian and Great Neck are joining the lore!!!
Interesting video
As an old head I have no idea what all the extra fluff for the iron stuff is but seems the youngins enjoy it lol
10:40 Skyhops patreon is a threat!!! His favorite Pokémon is Iron Mugulis!!!
For those wondering, Iron Brians stats are Necrozma-dusk manes
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iron brian needs our help!! (real o_O)
i wonder sometimes
I realized i was a pokenerd when I recognized Iron Brian's base stats as literally Dusk Mane Necrozma's base stats to the tee. I wonder if that has lore implications.
Ngl was kinda caught off guard when I heard my name at 1:03 LMAO
It's also worth mentioning that sometimes Dugtrio ran Choice Scarf to out speed Tapu Koko if it were to try to U-turn out.
Can u cover some gen3 random battles strategies/pokemon variants?
Can you make a video about your preferred colours for different types of balloons?
Why are Iron Brian's stats odd? Is he secretly a past paradox form!
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BRIAN, LOOK OUT!
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Iron Brian will surely be helpful with it's wonderful typing against iron mugulis and his gang
Brian an upstanding gent frfr
I think if Dugtrio is paired with a mon that has previously either cause some serious damage to the mon that Dugtrio needs to defeat but it can't OHKO by itself before being killed, or that it has performed some form of sacrificial move to dent the enemy's stats (memento, screech, tail whip...) it's a real deal (pure-clear body users tho) . Magneton and Dugtrio together are fearsome. But by itself it's not broken, at least not in gen3.
So basically, Dugtrio became a problem when Stealth Rock got introduced.
@jouheikisaragi6075
6 ай бұрын
More proof Stealth Rock was a mistake
Keep up these adv videos
dugtrio is the kinda mon you hate to play against but hate even more to use yourself
Great neck Lmao
Anyone who says arena trap is the issue is crazy. Let’s see them win with Trapinch.
JIMOTHY COOL YOU FOUL!!!! BY MAKING A DUGTRIO VIDEO,YOU ALLOWED DUGTRIO TO ARENA TRAP IRON BRIAN AND LET IRON MUGULIUS COMMIT ITS WAR CRIMES!!! YOU DOOMED US ALL
Dug facilitates stally teams? Isnt one of the main styles facilitated by dig special offensive?
@tomgorey9294
11 ай бұрын
In modern gens dug facilitates stall
@duelme1234
11 ай бұрын
@tomgorey9294 8:03 . Yes I'm aware that it does that in modern gens, but that's not what jim is saying at all here. also in bkc's video on the same topic months back, most of it covered how dug relates to offensive progress.
It's all fun and games until Iron Dugulis turns up
Trapping abilities are awesome. I'm not a fan of banning them. I've lost to them but that's part of the fun.
Dugtrio moment
don’t forget ghost types are immune to trapping too
another banger
It's amazing that dugtrio turned from being OU in gen 3 to NU in later generations
@DisastrousIntentionally
11 ай бұрын
Cause Arena Trap got banned.
Skarmory's best friend in ADV OU
As a fellow Brian, I can get behind Iron Brian.
Iron mugulous is gonna be so broken can’t wait for vgc debut
1:00 isn’t that in the distortion world why would Brian want to go there?
I always wondered why Dugtrio (and to a lesser extent Magneton) didn't have a Duo form
So Iron Mugulis' stats are that of Primal Kyogre, Great Neck's are Zekrom's and Iron Brian's are Dusk Mane Necrozma's
why does iron brian looks exactly like iron crown lol
Superman teams: "Pathetic"
Dugtrio is Love, Dugtrio is Life
kingambit just survive the suspect test... i cant- its just so unfair...😕
Dogtrio lol
I don't play competitive Pokemon but I love videos like this. I like seeing competitive aspects in games I don't personally play, very interesting.
Can't believe I was so quick to judge Iron Brian. He really does want to help prevent certain calamity.
I wouldn't mind arena trap in gen 8 OU, anything to get rid of clefable
@autobotstarscream765
11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the Clefable Trainer would also have Dugtrio to trap and kill your Dugtrio to clear the way for their Clefable to filibuster the battle.
@jacobmorris6357
11 ай бұрын
@@autobotstarscream765 I guess so. Once I tried mean look Bisharp to get rid of it, but after I put it on the team, I didn't find a single clefable for 5 matches.
@autobotstarscream765
11 ай бұрын
@@jacobmorris6357 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Clefable Trainer would use Dug to hunt down and trap your Bisharp.
Would arena trap still be banned if it worked only one time like Intrepid sword?
@globalistgamer6418
10 ай бұрын
Mostly likely yes. In later gens Dugtrio usually only was used to kill one mon on the opposing team and often already used single-use items (Focus Sash, Z Crystal) to achieve that. What made it OP wasn't getting multiple kills but being able to pick and remove one pivotal mon that the opponent can't win the subsequent match-up without.