Duffer brothers on Eddie Munson and Stranger Things 5 + Spinoff

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Matt and Ross Duffer in Collider interview talk about (SPOILERS)
1) Eddie Munson's fate
2) Stranger Things season 5
3) ST Spinoff
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  • @ghuleh969
    @ghuleh969 Жыл бұрын

    They struck gold with Joseph Quinn playing Eddie they HAVE to bring him back idc how

  • @20bndk05

    @20bndk05

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @biancajane3275

    @biancajane3275

    Жыл бұрын

    Can you guys just accept they might not bring him back? You can support Joseph Quinn in other projects you know

  • @devisavage2570

    @devisavage2570

    Жыл бұрын

    @@biancajane3275 I will not accept that he's dead

  • @lunatic5162

    @lunatic5162

    Жыл бұрын

    @@biancajane3275 well, people can not accept that. who are you to tell them what to feel?

  • @ghuleh969

    @ghuleh969

    Жыл бұрын

    @@biancajane3275 if they don't I'm fine I will keep supporting Joe Quinn in whatever he does next btw

  • @teeee9632
    @teeee9632 Жыл бұрын

    I’m happy they chose Max, they gave her a great storyline and gave Sadie more well deserved screen time. BUT Eddie needs to come back somehow, his story was not finished yet.

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    Kas.

  • @alphapylori4490

    @alphapylori4490

    Жыл бұрын

    @@susivarga7303 he needs to graduate first ..... im not done with him

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alphapylori4490 he couldn't do it twice, so now is the time to put on a tie? After all this shit? 😉

  • @crypt0sFX

    @crypt0sFX

    Жыл бұрын

    Rather Max go than Eddie

  • @daily_drake

    @daily_drake

    Жыл бұрын

    Yesss he need to graduate 😭😭

  • @BehindTheBush96
    @BehindTheBush96 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie is the one character they should NEVER have killed off. He’s one of the few characters who ISN’T a complete stereotype and is actually a very multi-dimensional and deep character. He actually has a personality and felt much more realistic than all of the other characters. One of the only characters I felt like had good character development, apart from Steve. He felt like the most realistic and likeable character in the entire show, by far, for these reasons. He had such main character energy. I’m so disappointed in his death - and on top of that, his death was so meaningless and there didn’t seem to be any good reason for him to run out to die that way when it wouldn’t have saved anyone else from dying anyway if El hadn’t stopped Vecna in the nick of time. And everyone apart from Dustin acting like nothing even happened after he died and only Dustin mourning him just felt so off.

  • @cyn6123

    @cyn6123

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree that he's a great character and they definitely need to find a way to bring him back! Where I have to disagree is the no good reason for him to go back and fight. We all know he was sick of running. He couldn't do anything to save Chrissy, but this he could do. I whole heartedly believe that him going back distracted the demobats from realizing they could get into the trailer and in turn, go through the portal to the real world where who knows how many people they could have killed; the first one most likely being Dustin since he was close to the portal. It also kept them from going back to Vecna's mansion after the fight ensued between Robin, Nancy, Steve and Vecna. Idk, I think he did a lot more than people realize by going back like that, even if it felt pointless at the time.

  • @SACKTV-VIJAYA

    @SACKTV-VIJAYA

    Жыл бұрын

    I totally agree with u. He just stole our hearts in all the possible ways in just very limited screen presence. What I need is , real homage to his death and justice for his innocence.

  • @DRobloxFamily

    @DRobloxFamily

    10 ай бұрын

    i absolutely agree

  • @ooogabooga5217

    @ooogabooga5217

    6 ай бұрын

    @@cyn6123 he could have done that without dying

  • @Ash_aa_90
    @Ash_aa_90 Жыл бұрын

    Somehow someway Eddie has to come back. He's an amazing character and Joseph did such an amazing job. So well liked and well loved.

  • @m.nicole7996
    @m.nicole7996 Жыл бұрын

    If the Duffer Brothers don’t bring Eddie back for season five, there should at least be some kind of memorial scene for him- where Dustin, Nancy, Steve, and Robin set up a small funeral to honor Eddie. I would like to see at least that (if they don’t bring Eddie back) because that “two days later” scene in the finale made *ZERO SENSE* because we didn’t even see Steve, Nancy or Robin react to Dustin telling them that Eddie is dead.

  • @angelicasilva7746

    @angelicasilva7746

    Жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @nyktipolis_khthonie

    @nyktipolis_khthonie

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah that was way too rushed. Was there even a scene where we see Joyce reunite with her kids and the reactions to each crazy situations they were in..? It was way too sudden.

  • @Hhhhhttr444

    @Hhhhhttr444

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nyktipolis_khthonie

  • @idk-ph3pv

    @idk-ph3pv

    Жыл бұрын

    They didn’t do the same thing for bob so why would they for Eddie

  • @justinanderson3056

    @justinanderson3056

    Жыл бұрын

    @@idk-ph3pv because Eddie is to good to be disrespected like that

  • @madaraperies
    @madaraperies Жыл бұрын

    While eddie munson getting all the love from 90% people .. these two get the most biggest hate of all the time 💀

  • @K0r1ISH3R3

    @K0r1ISH3R3

    Жыл бұрын

    They lowkey deserve it, I'm so fed up with them always introducing characters only to end up killing them off in the same season bc they're too afraid to ACTUALLY kill off a main. The only ACTUAL death we got was Dr. Brenner because the rest of the deaths were all newly introduced characters lmao

  • @mikeysbusy

    @mikeysbusy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 exactly what I've been saying

  • @Evelyn-vh1ex

    @Evelyn-vh1ex

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 IMO Brenner is not dead, just like he didn't die in the season 1 finale when we thought he was for sure dead since he got super messed up by the Demogorgon I believe.

  • @Abramsluvbot

    @Abramsluvbot

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 bro they wanted to make the kids lose did you not hear them? They want the kids to feel like what it is to lose

  • @Abramsluvbot

    @Abramsluvbot

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Evelyn-vh1ex he got shot 3 times…..

  • @LoboLocoX
    @LoboLocoX Жыл бұрын

    Not only has Eddie become real popular character but the actor has done a ton of press I didn't see this happening with other characters/actors that have been killed off.

  • @laraarriola9073

    @laraarriola9073

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly he was so special. Like even if Robin would've died we would'nt have had this reacction but we did with Eddie bc he is such a special and breath of fresh air to the audience

  • @trappedinamerica7740

    @trappedinamerica7740

    Жыл бұрын

    Eddie was written great with a perfect character arc and the actor knocked it out of the park. The character was a perfect coalescence of all the parts working. I hope that actor continues to work because he is something special

  • @thecinemasontm5547

    @thecinemasontm5547

    Жыл бұрын

    it happened with Dacre Montgomery (actor of Billy) tho

  • @maddiemaple2188

    @maddiemaple2188

    Жыл бұрын

    With Dacre he did do some press and interviews but he did more in season 2 where he was a new character and people wanted to know the actor but he was in it for more than one season whereas Joseph had his character killed off and introduced in the same season

  • @kimberlym25

    @kimberlym25

    Жыл бұрын

    @@laraarriola9073 idk why Robin is Still alive and gets to live for two seasons. Prefer Eddie back

  • @TeddieHelander
    @TeddieHelander Жыл бұрын

    "Season 5 is about the original group coming back to Hawkins" yeah, but i want Eddie though...

  • @haileyrumfelt9509
    @haileyrumfelt9509 Жыл бұрын

    They need to bring Eddie back for season 5. Just his character alone had such a huge impact on me. I would literally trade any of the other characters just to get him back and I really don’t think I could watch season 5 if he wasn’t in it.

  • @elmo7387

    @elmo7387

    Жыл бұрын

    completely agree with u - he had such a big impact on a lot of people i personally dont think he shouldve been killed off

  • @brysonfreeman7226

    @brysonfreeman7226

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, the Duffer Brothers send their regards

  • @selmar5253
    @selmar5253 Жыл бұрын

    WE DONT CARE HOW YOU DO IT. YOU CAN PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED AND WE WONT QUESTION IT. JUST BRING OUR MANS EDDIE BACK!!! Okay im done yelling 😭😂

  • @K0r1ISH3R3

    @K0r1ISH3R3

    Жыл бұрын

    No no keep yelling, speak your truth

  • @selmar5253

    @selmar5253

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 WILL DO!!

  • @rosegarden880

    @rosegarden880

    Жыл бұрын

    BUT LIKE WHAT DID THEY THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THEY DECIDED TO KILL EDDIE?? HES A FAN FAVV💕😭

  • @yourmumdoesntloveyou8734

    @yourmumdoesntloveyou8734

    Жыл бұрын

    DONT STOP YELLING! HE HAS TO COME BACK! ISTG IF HE DOESNT IM NOT WATCHING S5

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rosegarden880 they thought they are the writers and they have one more season???

  • @darkwoods1954
    @darkwoods1954 Жыл бұрын

    I'd love a Hellfire Club spin off about Eddie and the other three older members and their band.

  • @gabby7615
    @gabby7615 Жыл бұрын

    the duffer brothers are getting so much hate bc of eddie, like boys what did you expect he was a likable character💀

  • @K0r1ISH3R3

    @K0r1ISH3R3

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly, you've written him to feel like he was one of the main older characters, like literally. He felt like a main main character, it felt like he was always there tbh. People compare him and his death to Alexei and Bob like no bro. He was much more significant than both of those characters combined. What was the thought process here? Lmao

  • @lelodelrey

    @lelodelrey

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 frr!

  • @selmar5253

    @selmar5253

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 YES!!! I felt no emotional attachment to any of the other ones they’ve killed off. But Eddie? It was like they had time traveled to get someone who is to a T what an 80s character like his would be like. Joseph Quinn ate the role UP!!!

  • @cantdothisshitanymore

    @cantdothisshitanymore

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K0r1ISH3R3 GOOO GOOO GO YOURE POPPING OFF

  • @cantdothisshitanymore

    @cantdothisshitanymore

    Жыл бұрын

    @Maurice Nintendo Switch bro ppl care abt max too, she had survived for a season and made great contribution to the show. but eddie had the same potential as she did and could’ve survived for another season - not to mention, the last remaining one of stranger things

  • @larsonn2865
    @larsonn2865 Жыл бұрын

    We need Eddie back, he was Just too good…

  • @randyflores2933
    @randyflores2933 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie should be kas.... If you really do know D&D lore...

  • @K0r1ISH3R3

    @K0r1ISH3R3

    Жыл бұрын

    They've hinted at it so much, they know who Kas is, they referenced him in the first episode of s4

  • @itzelmedina3253

    @itzelmedina3253

    Жыл бұрын

    It has to be Eddie... Idk the DnD lore but I know about Kas... It's Eddie. Really, it HAS to be him. WE WANT HIM BACK FOR ST5

  • @K0r1ISH3R3

    @K0r1ISH3R3

    Жыл бұрын

    @@itzelmedina3253 It really does, Kas was Vecnas lieutenant, he was killed by bats and turned into a vampire, he fought with a shield with spikes and a spear, so did Eddie plus they've referenced Kas a lot this season. It cannot be coincidence

  • @wolfe6705

    @wolfe6705

    Жыл бұрын

    El saved Max from death. Why not turn Eddie back to normal?

  • @devisavage2570

    @devisavage2570

    Жыл бұрын

    @@itzelmedina3253 Kas is DnD lore love

  • @BELLAMIA21
    @BELLAMIA21 Жыл бұрын

    Everyone loved Eddie and tbh I do agree that he deserves better but we all just gotta hope nd pray nd Just wait nd see what they bring in for season 5

  • @Abramsluvbot

    @Abramsluvbot

    Жыл бұрын

    No Jason he didn’t love Eddie lol

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    I think now the story is a bit more "predictable" in a sense than in S2. There was heavy hinting and references toward Kas.

  • @Abramsluvbot

    @Abramsluvbot

    Жыл бұрын

    @@susivarga7303 he character was made to die the whole purpose of his character was that he ran away in dangerous situations and he didn’t want to do that anymore he wanted to be a hero

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Abramsluvbot Thank you for explaining the show to me. I said, there was heavy hinting and symbolism toward a possible Kas story arc. Bye.

  • @Abramsluvbot

    @Abramsluvbot

    Жыл бұрын

    @@susivarga7303 it would also ruin his character his character was made to die just like Steve

  • @ekhooo122
    @ekhooo122 Жыл бұрын

    they better bring back eddie i dont even care if hes the bad guy but he just HAS to be in s5 he didnt deserve enough screen time !

  • @brysonfreeman7226

    @brysonfreeman7226

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, the Duffer Brothers send their regards

  • @FidgetExpress
    @FidgetExpress Жыл бұрын

    I can already see the rampage of stranger things fans if they dont bring back eddie (me included)

  • @pixiechic2209

    @pixiechic2209

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business yes exactly!!! I agree w u 100%!! I’m hoping he pulls a hopper lmao- that would be cool. 💀💀😭

  • @lunatic5162

    @lunatic5162

    Жыл бұрын

    I`m just not gonna watch it hah

  • @rachelwelch1

    @rachelwelch1

    Жыл бұрын

    Don’t recreate another GOT fiasco. The fans essentially ruined the ending of GOT because they were afraid they’d piss off the fans. Though I think the Duffer Bros would be smart enough to stick to their original plan. Don’t get me wrong though, I absolutely love Eddie. But he basically served his purpose in terms of character development.

  • @rachelwelch1

    @rachelwelch1

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business idk. I think they’ve done well with the storyline. Makes it more of a climax if a bunch of them die in the last season.

  • @laine9331
    @laine9331 Жыл бұрын

    bru being eddie back I have been crying non stop it’s not far

  • @harmonyslife1102
    @harmonyslife1102 Жыл бұрын

    They better bring him back idc how I just want him back

  • @elyssastinnett2026
    @elyssastinnett2026 Жыл бұрын

    There is currently a petition for Eddie that has over 50,000 signatures so please sign we have to let them know we give a shit about his death

  • @marielacamano4811

    @marielacamano4811

    Жыл бұрын

    Do u have a link? I want to sign

  • @rosegarden880

    @rosegarden880

    Жыл бұрын

    I’ve signed it already💕

  • @DarthNibiru

    @DarthNibiru

    Жыл бұрын

    Link please

  • @KittieDanger

    @KittieDanger

    Жыл бұрын

    Link so i can sign?

  • @blackdogbrown

    @blackdogbrown

    Жыл бұрын

    I signed it last week!

  • @giulianamaugeri9276
    @giulianamaugeri9276 Жыл бұрын

    I just want Eddie back to me 💔😭🎸

  • @emelynieto2083

    @emelynieto2083

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too 😢🥺😭💔

  • @eddiemunson2358

    @eddiemunson2358

    Жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @brianabrown9612

    @brianabrown9612

    Жыл бұрын

    @@eddiemunson2358 Eddie oh my god are you alright

  • @eddiemunson2358

    @eddiemunson2358

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brianabrown9612 lol yeah. I just want to be back, man

  • @brianabrown9612

    @brianabrown9612

    Жыл бұрын

    @@eddiemunson2358 oh thank god don’t scare me like that man

  • @sabrina993
    @sabrina993 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie is by far the best character. I'm now obsessed with the show.

  • @irinaaa3709
    @irinaaa3709 Жыл бұрын

    I can imagine how happy the fans will be, including me, if Eddie comes back alive in season 5. That would make it the best season for me :))

  • @misschocolates

    @misschocolates

    Жыл бұрын

    Nobody wants Eddie back, that’d be terrible writing..

  • @irinaaa3709

    @irinaaa3709

    Жыл бұрын

    @@misschocolates I wrote that 6 months ago and I was really upset about his death. I definitely agree now, but still think that a memorial scene would be great

  • @brysonfreeman7226

    @brysonfreeman7226

    11 ай бұрын

    That’s completely wrong unfortunately, just enjoy other characters who are still alive before they might die

  • @brianhorsburgh6104
    @brianhorsburgh6104 Жыл бұрын

    I loved Eddie he’s my favorite part of the season but despite that I’m ok with him not coming back if he doesn’t. His arc was very well written and dying a hero’s death is a perfect ending for the guy who said I’m Not a hero and I always run

  • @emiliejenkins9225
    @emiliejenkins9225 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie deserved better

  • @zerpaulan_6643
    @zerpaulan_6643 Жыл бұрын

    I'm still in Denial. Eddie will come back.

  • @rosegarden880

    @rosegarden880

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m in denial still too..

  • @jenjk_
    @jenjk_ Жыл бұрын

    They better bring him back.I’m not gonna watch it without Eddie

  • @isabellaorozc0

    @isabellaorozc0

    Жыл бұрын

    Nobody is

  • @coreytaylorofficialjustpra7308

    @coreytaylorofficialjustpra7308

    Жыл бұрын

    then don't watch it, nobody cares

  • @thejellies5192

    @thejellies5192

    Жыл бұрын

    If that’s how you feel, you’re clearly not a fan of the series.

  • @isabellaorozc0

    @isabellaorozc0

    Жыл бұрын

    @@coreytaylorofficialjustpra7308 the duffer brothers probably will 😌

  • @lunatic5162

    @lunatic5162

    Жыл бұрын

    @@coreytaylorofficialjustpra7308 lmao and we don`t care about you too. go on

  • @caaarli20
    @caaarli20 Жыл бұрын

    Shut up and bring my boy back

  • @Miah1DTW

    @Miah1DTW

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly! They need to quit messing about! 👏🏼

  • @michelenelson754
    @michelenelson754 Жыл бұрын

    The love for Eddie character is palpable and listening to your fans is valuable. I am not sure I want to watch season 5 without Eddie.

  • @christinawhite5431

    @christinawhite5431

    Жыл бұрын

    same. I dont think I want to watch it if they don't bring him back some how

  • @chadjazeera9960

    @chadjazeera9960

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business Eddie was a great character, yes, but y'all straight trippin... Tragedy is a mo-fo.

  • @chadjazeera9960

    @chadjazeera9960

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business I feel like we are watching two different shows. Agree to disagree I guess... Subjectivity is cool ain't it? 😜🤷

  • @vuc4934

    @vuc4934

    Жыл бұрын

    well tragedy has to happen the show wouldnt be good if eleven just ran around and one shotted the enemies without anyone getting hurt and without any stakes

  • @chadjazeera9960

    @chadjazeera9960

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vuc4934 for sure! Agree.

  • @annienormal5822
    @annienormal5822 Жыл бұрын

    They obviously didn't realize what a phenomenon Eddie was going to become. On paper, they might not have thought he was that special, but Joseph Quinn played the hell out of that role. He made the world fall in love with what the writers saw as a disposable character. Now they need to seriously course correct. I hope they do.

  • @izzya7703

    @izzya7703

    Жыл бұрын

    They better, or the fandom will rebel more than they are now

  • @dulcerhz
    @dulcerhz Жыл бұрын

    HEAR ME OUT: EDDIE MUNSON, THE SPIN OFF.

  • @robynrader9211
    @robynrader9211 Жыл бұрын

    Literally every comment is bring eddie back. Which i agree they should bring him back

  • @poeethics9331
    @poeethics9331 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly I wasn't suprised Eddie died, but I really wanted to see more of him...such a great character that sums up the prejudice of The Satanic Panic of the time. On the flipside I do not think Max should have survived, I think that was a cheap save while killing Eddie...although he had an epic and character affirming end, was an easy kill for the writers. I wish Eddie lived and Max died...I feel like that would have made more sense.

  • @han.banann

    @han.banann

    Жыл бұрын

    i agree eddie literally could’ve crossed back over and fought like 2 more mins and he would’ve been fine but max actually got her shit rocked and lived? idk

  • @sarahsweetblood

    @sarahsweetblood

    Жыл бұрын

    Also the Duffer brothers just did the same shit that they've done before, the new character died and a fake out with an established character. Eddies death felt cheap because it was empty and he had no reason to die, if he lived there wouldn't have been any consequences, and Max's death felt cheap because it only stuck for 5 freaking minutes and Hawkings still went to shit even though her "death" was crucial to the Upside-down being opened to the real world.

  • @sophienoodlesoup1426
    @sophienoodlesoup1426 Жыл бұрын

    My theory is he is going to come back as a vampire, or something similar… hear me out! In the first episode, in the d+d scene where they did a hint to Eddie’s death and the Metallica scene, a character is mentioned in the campaign: Kas. This character fought with a sword and shield (like Eddie), and died. He then came back to ‘life’ as a vampire bc he was killed by a demobat……. Deja vü anyone? Also, (I think it was on Eddie’s jacket) the brothers indicated towards the Iron Maiden album Somewhere in Time, which is filled with song titles that can be used to explain a situation where Eddie is alive in the upside down (eg. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, A Stranger in a Strange Land, Wasted Years, Deja vu etc.) A coincidence? I think NOT! Often, when there is detail in the show about the opening d+d game, it usually reflects the shows ending. Think back to season one…..

  • @jodie3950

    @jodie3950

    Жыл бұрын

    Please god let this be true

  • @shadehdin2210

    @shadehdin2210

    Жыл бұрын

    I think this theory actually makes sense for Eddie. I love Eddie so much and want him back. But if they do I want it done so it makes sense and adds to the story.

  • @sophienoodlesoup1426

    @sophienoodlesoup1426

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shadehdin2210 exactly

  • @megblake7965

    @megblake7965

    Жыл бұрын

    also his bat tattoo i think is a foreshadowing of his actual fate just a thought tho. i’ve been a big fan since season 1 and i personally think the way they just made eddie’s story the whole duration of season 4 which was originally supposed to be 12 episodes and not 9 but the pandemic fucked it up they really shouldn’t have focused on eddie as much as they did just to kill him. i loved eddie and i loved joseph quinn even before he was eddie. they should really take the d&d kas the bloody handed arch with eddie and make it happen. the kas the bloody handed arch would make so much since with the storyline of our beloved eddie thus far.

  • @sophienoodlesoup1426

    @sophienoodlesoup1426

    Жыл бұрын

    @@megblake7965 the bat tattoo is! The duffer brothers revealed that both Eddie’s tattoos in that scene reflected his end: the bats for who killed him, and a hand controlling a puppet for his Metallica scene. I agree with absolutely everything u said.

  • @chipwaldencw
    @chipwaldencw Жыл бұрын

    I would trade El for Eddie.

  • @qtip463

    @qtip463

    Жыл бұрын

    No doubt lol

  • @katecarpenter6499

    @katecarpenter6499

    Жыл бұрын

    This actually made me laugh😂They’re like two of my top faves, so I couldn’t do that, but this is still so savage of you to say, lol

  • @mia-lb5nr

    @mia-lb5nr

    Жыл бұрын

    Same lol

  • @reallyadawn4869

    @reallyadawn4869

    Жыл бұрын

    Alright...not too much now...not too much 😭

  • @Cross_12350

    @Cross_12350

    Жыл бұрын

    @@reallyadawn4869 I mean el isn’t really good anymore too me in my opinion because it’s just always based on her like no give me something new that’s why I loved season 4 because max was like basically the main character

  • @captainbulge7360
    @captainbulge7360 Жыл бұрын

    I’m calling it Eddie comes back as a upside down vampire 🧛‍♂️/🎸

  • @angiestevens8742
    @angiestevens8742 Жыл бұрын

    I'm sure they had no idea the impact of Eddie's character and how well Joseph Quinn played it, he was amazing. To be so moved over the death of a new character says a lot. Hopefully he comes back in some way!!!!! Give him more screen time please!!!!

  • @takashipulsts4161
    @takashipulsts4161 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love the inclusion of "the Talisman " omg my absolutely favorite book ever

  • @adictive24
    @adictive24 Жыл бұрын

    People will think I’m crazy or ridiculous. But I don’t care what they do, I have faith that they will give us an absolutely crazy and satisfying final season. Thank you duffer brothers for this amazing show and everything you bring us in the future

  • @brysonfreeman7226

    @brysonfreeman7226

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, I have faith in the Duffer Brothers that they’ll give us a great conclusion to the series

  • @canny_linguist
    @canny_linguist Жыл бұрын

    Pretty much the entire narrative arc of this show has been realised before the cameras began rolling. That is testament to the Duffer Brothers' vision and creative genius.

  • @JeanLoupRSmith
    @JeanLoupRSmith Жыл бұрын

    Much as I loved Eddie, he's not coming back. Just as Barb's death informed Nancy's character development, Bob's informed Joyce's and Billy's informed Max's, Eddie is the catalyst for Dustin's. None of the deaths in this show mean nothing, even Chrissy's changed Eddie. In a way Hopper should have died too but seeing the story as they wove it, it makes you wonder where Joyce would have gone had he not been taken to Russia instead of dying

  • @bunnygirl849
    @bunnygirl849 Жыл бұрын

    bro everyone in the comments wanting eddie back are so stupid😭 he literally completed his story arc with being a hero and him continuing it would just mess it up

  • @lauraf.e2788
    @lauraf.e2788 Жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry, but we need Eddie back. Don't care how. Spin off idea -- an Eddie prequel?

  • @Piaras002
    @Piaras002 Жыл бұрын

    The plot armor is thick on the main cast. If they don't bring back Eddie, I feel he's a very wasted character. The two days later jump and no other characters acknowledging Eddie's death gives me a small measure of hope.

  • @randomish1231

    @randomish1231

    Жыл бұрын

    Ya it was sus that they didn't mention his death at all...even if only Dustin was close to him in the beginning, it felt like they had all started to become friends so the fact that they didn't mention him was weird lol

  • @surzeekanimations
    @surzeekanimations Жыл бұрын

    Y’all have to, HAVE to bring Eddie/Joseph Quinn back! Even if Joseph plays another character or something, PLEASE

  • @kurtsiecolferites2160
    @kurtsiecolferites216018 күн бұрын

    Oooof, season 5 is gonna be such an emotional rollercoaster. I am NOT ready.

  • @claudiomarionyc
    @claudiomarionyc Жыл бұрын

    Eddie still needs a redemption in the eyes of Hawkins

  • @adamredden2007
    @adamredden2007 Жыл бұрын

    Bringing Eddie back would ruin the Legend….it’s perfect as it is.

  • @thelaurenavery1133
    @thelaurenavery1133 Жыл бұрын

    All I heard indirectly is that Eddie is coming back frozen in time…as a vampire 😂 aka “It’s Finally my year.” Aka “I’m forever stuck in this year at this age.” (I’m reading into slivers of nothing)

  • @allenschultz6767
    @allenschultz6767 Жыл бұрын

    Season 4 brings back memories of playing D&D while listening to Metallica, Dio, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and the other rock gods in the background. With one D&D arch, I had players go into the planes of hell taking the fight to the source. It would be interesting if Stranger Things takes the arch of Eddie's character resurrected as "Eddie the Head" (Iron Maiden reference) into the "upside down" to raise a little hell. Perhaps some kind of super "bard" getting to play some mean riffs on his axe.

  • @nightfrost1891
    @nightfrost1891 Жыл бұрын

    as long as stancy doesn't happen, i'm tired of the stupid love triangle stnacy have shown time and time again they aren't compatible romantically let it rest

  • @unknownstranger6875

    @unknownstranger6875

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah I think Steve deserves better. Nancy made her choice. I would have loved him with Robin, they have chemistry, though I do like that she ended up being lesbian.

  • @jessicarose9208
    @jessicarose92083 ай бұрын

    I think it’s almost thrilling to see people take characters you created, so seriously. They must be very very proud.

  • @shadowseer07
    @shadowseer07 Жыл бұрын

    Also The Lost Boys is also an 80s movie, I’m sure you two have seen it, might take notes from it.👀

  • @ElectricFury
    @ElectricFury Жыл бұрын

    How have I only just now found out some of these new Season 5 details from this? I've been looking everywhere for an interview like this and this has been here for 8 months?!?! I'm really happy that they plan for the dynamics of Season 1 to be re-visited because I really miss having all the boys together in a season, as it's not really happened since the first half of Season 2.

  • @beefsupreme785
    @beefsupreme785 Жыл бұрын

    It was strange, to me Eddie dies sacrifices him self for the good of others, and except Dustin no body else even mentions him, it seems so cold and like others don't care about him but fantastic character hope to see him back in season 5🔙

  • @strangerthingstoday

    @strangerthingstoday

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that was kinda weird. Although there was a lot happening after the "earthquake", the old gang got reunited and Hopper came back to life, Max braindead and the world withering away...

  • @The_R1pp3r
    @The_R1pp3r Жыл бұрын

    WE NEED A EDDIE SPIN-OFF.

  • @michailavincent7925
    @michailavincent7925 Жыл бұрын

    Duffers. Me want more Eddie. DUFFERS. ME WANT MORE EDDIE YOU LIE Y O U LIEEEEEE

  • @Demogorgonrightsorg

    @Demogorgonrightsorg

    Жыл бұрын

    Friends don't lie

  • @klauswigsmith
    @klauswigsmith Жыл бұрын

    I'm fine with Eddie dying and not coming back. He died a heroic death to save Dustin from the bats and he seemed at peace with that when he died. So I don't need to see him come back. What I WOULD like to see in Season 5 is all the residents of Hawkins learn they were wrong about him and learn what Eddie did to save Dustin and his friends. Eddie doesn't need resurrection. He needs redemption. As an 80's metal head and D&D nerd, I'm just happy to see all the love a character like Eddie is getting.

  • @bernicaa2792

    @bernicaa2792

    Жыл бұрын

    to be honest there was no reason for him to go back and "buy more time"

  • @klauswigsmith

    @klauswigsmith

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bernicaa2792 yeah, that was kinda lame, but only we knew he didn't need to "buy more time"...Eddie didn't know that.

  • @bernicaa2792

    @bernicaa2792

    Жыл бұрын

    @@klauswigsmith idk there was just no reason for him to think that if only he just went with dustin

  • @klauswigsmith

    @klauswigsmith

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bernicaa2792 Well, he may have thought he needed to buy more time for Steve, Nancy, and Robin, PLUS the fact that he was feeling immense guilt over having run away from Chrissy when she was being killed. To me, it would have made more sense for his motivation to be to draw the bats out from and away from the gate in the trailer to protect Dustin. But as Game of Thrones Seasons 7 & 8 taught us...you can't always rely on otherwise good writers to make consistently good writing decisions.

  • @stickbound
    @stickbound Жыл бұрын

    ok but what if Eddie was just passed out instead of passed away

  • @timeash2205
    @timeash2205 Жыл бұрын

    I'm not really into series shows but stranger things got me hooked. Love the cast Nat 11 Max Eddie and the other's. Love the show. Great job to you all.

  • @alinagomez7714
    @alinagomez7714 Жыл бұрын

    Them killing off Eddie was such a stupid move

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    Because you know better than the ones who wrote the story, right? 🤣

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business who elected you, love? 😀😁😂🤣 You sound like a maniac. Poor Joseph Quinn. Don't cry, S5 will crash Netflix again. Stay crazy!

  • @susivarga7303

    @susivarga7303

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business "we know better than they"??? You mean they asked you for advice before writing 4 seasons of the show? I thought they came up with the story themselves... 😀😁😂🤣🤣

  • @kimberlywilmoth9184

    @kimberlywilmoth9184

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@Nunya Business It's their story, they can do whatever they want. Eddie's story arc was written perfectly by the Duffers and portrayed perfectly by Joseph Quinn. I don't know why that isn't enough. If they brought him back, it wouldn't make any sense storywise...and before Volume 2 aired there were videos all over YT predicting Eddie's death, then when it actually happens and those predictions come to fruition, everyone is shocked and enraged 😂 Don't get me wrong, I loved Eddie and I bawled like a little bitch when he died...but that just proves how well it was done, that's what good TV is supposed to do.

  • @kimberlywilmoth9184

    @kimberlywilmoth9184

    Жыл бұрын

    @Nunya Business Yeah, but his name can still be cleared in season 5, he doesn't have to be alive for that. The town of Hawkins could even honor him with some type of posthumous award, that would be sweet...and hopefully we'll get some reactions from the other characters over Eddie's death, because that was my biggest complaint with the finale, Dustin was the only one who was affected. Granted, I do realize the others weren't as close to Eddie, but they still got to know him and should have some sad feelings regarding his death 🤷‍♀️

  • @hrcutz
    @hrcutz Жыл бұрын

    Season 4 had me on the edge of my seat! I cannot wait for 5.

  • @megante2012
    @megante2012 Жыл бұрын

    Suzie has to be the main character of the spin-off. Her computing skills help her solve mysteries.

  • @joanpennel3938
    @joanpennel3938 Жыл бұрын

    Bring Eddie Back! Bring Eddie Back! Bring Eddie Back! Otherwise this ending sucks, and you and suck . I am just gutted that none of the characters even acknowledged him...WTF.

  • @Evelyn-vh1ex

    @Evelyn-vh1ex

    Жыл бұрын

    Eddie was the moment, the king, the freaking main character of a show he came into on its 4th season!

  • @Kris-rf1mo

    @Kris-rf1mo

    Жыл бұрын

    Even if they don’t bring him back I hope and expect them to have some kind of memorial for Eddie. I think that would pacify a lot of us if they actually showed the cast respond to Eddie’s death. I am wondering what happened immediately after those events in the upside down where he died. I think I saw in the unlocked interview with the cast and crew that we’re going to see what happened with Eddie really affect Dustin. (and I’m actually kind of hopeful that he just passed out from pain and the gang is keeping him in hiding since he’s still wanted for murder)

  • @joanpennel3938

    @joanpennel3938

    Жыл бұрын

    If they would not bring his character back, I also would like to see some resolution as to what happened in those 2 days, acknowledgement from Steve,Robin,Nancy that they are also gutted. It just bothers me that they are acting so unaffected except for Dustin. Unless they really are protecting him. Im practically gaslighting myself into believing that's the case. I just never felt so utterly laid bare by a character death and it feels so inexplicable. There are no words....

  • @rosegarden880

    @rosegarden880

    Жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY ITS LIKE THEY DIDN’T EVEN CARE THAT EDDIE DIED!! Wait.. maybe Dustin didn’t tell them yet?🤭

  • @julieb.5860
    @julieb.586016 сағат бұрын

    it's funny because i read so many comments 'bring eddie back' and 'how dare you kill max'. people, this is not a show for children where only the bad people die and we all hold hands and sing songs from barney or mr. rogers at the end. this is a grown up show, and therefore there will be people dying that we love. it's part of why this show rings us out so much emotionally, and why it resonates. in all the greatest sagas, there is usually sacrifice.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 Жыл бұрын

    The Duffer Brothers have confirmed that Season 5 will pick up where Season 4 left off. “It will be 100km/h from the start. We have already plotted the opening scene.”

  • @varsha953
    @varsha953 Жыл бұрын

    Okay Duffer brothers, you are gonna end the show in next season and you guys have been brilliant. So please listen to the audience and their heartfelt love for Eddie. His character is so monumental, there's only so many times that a character is adored like this in such a small time. Eddie needs and deserves to come back. Period.

  • @annienormal5822

    @annienormal5822

    Жыл бұрын

    Well said! I can't recall a character on any show having this type of reaction with audiences in such a short time. Usually it takes time to build a fanbase like this, but his was almost instant.

  • @marvel096
    @marvel096 Жыл бұрын

    Funny they said Bob's death was a shock bc the moment he appeared onscreen as Joyce's new love interest I knew he was probably gonna die. Jopper was made to be endagame so there was no way Bob would continue on the series past season 2.

  • @MadMax-mi4rd
    @MadMax-mi4rd Жыл бұрын

    I hope the bring him back i cried for a week i had makeup running down my face i lost i started crying when dustin told his uncle

  • @MotoSteve
    @MotoSteve Жыл бұрын

    this is how we bring back Eddy in season five. lets say there are two types of monster that attacked Eddy and Steve ,one that has a venom that make you paralyze, like a blow fish or snake so Vecna can come and get you later on another type that just bites like the ones that attacked Steve....maybe one with stripes and one with spots which shows why Steve just had wounds where Eddy looked to die. With the big battle at the end it gave Eddy enough time to wake up from his bite and the venom to where off and he comes out of the woods through the four gates looking for Dustin not knowing they think he is dead. he walks into town and that's how we keep Eddy for the last season...just a metal Dad that loved the character...please start liking it so maybe it gains so traction and the two brothers see it ..thanks love the show .....Dad

  • @happyzombiikitti
    @happyzombiikitti Жыл бұрын

    Them saying that they wanna reference the empire strikes back move is really foreshadowing. I’m a huge Star Wars nerd, and you can’t fool me with that reference. In Empire Strikes Back Luke finds out Vader is his father and trains under Yoda to master his Jedi skills and face that dark reality. Luke has visions, one of these visions is seeing han and leía suffering and in pain and thus goes forward to battle Vader. At some point luke and Leia are telepathically connected, and Leia I’m return taps into her Jedi powers to save her brother. Luke= El Han= Eddie Leia= Max El and Max are now telepathically and “supernaturally” connected, this is now proven because El can tap into the “white noise” to hear, see and talk with Max. If max is in a coma, El is the only one who can communicate and reach out to Max. Max in some way is connected to the upside down, therefor connected to the “supernatural” power of Vecna as well.Vecna being the Vader in this situation. She sees Vecna controlling creatures and the upside down getting stronger; she sees lost friends and towns people down there including Eddie. They are all reaching out to Max in someway, but more importantly, sees that Eddie is under influence from Vecna and “frozen” in the upside down. (Just like Han was frozen for a bit in empire strikes back) He is down there but cannot escape the upside down. Only max can hear Vecna, Eddie and El and the upside down. El taps into this, and along with the rest of the crew they tap into fighting Vecna in the upside down and out in the town. The townsfolk will battle as well (the rebellion) and the crew will head into the upside down one last time to rescue Eddie and beat Vecna.

  • @ramonlopez95
    @ramonlopez95 Жыл бұрын

    Keep in mind vecna is a lich. liches in D&D control the undead. That would be neat if he came back as a Undead creature of some sort and betray vecna in the end like Darth Vader did the emperor. And for vecna to tell 11, 11 I am your father!

  • @jen0000

    @jen0000

    Жыл бұрын

    I had the same thought, but slightly different. Eleven would be Luke, Vecna is Darth Vader. And since Vecna never revealed his mother’s sins and why he hated her, we later find out it is because she had an affair with Dr. Brenner which would make papa Eleven’s grandfather. And so there it is. Last but not least, Eddie would definitely be Han, the vampire version

  • @MrAsmontero
    @MrAsmontero Жыл бұрын

    I hope they take a lot of time to polish and make season 5 as good as they can. You could tell that season 4 had extra thinking time.

  • @distortionpedal
    @distortionpedal Жыл бұрын

    OMG the guy doing the interview has a flipping step brothers t-shirt on. !!!. RESPECT! my fav movie .

  • @Foxii_nico17
    @Foxii_nico17 Жыл бұрын

    Duffer Brothers just took him away like villains

  • @patticakez3336
    @patticakez3336 Жыл бұрын

    I really wish they would reconsider season 5 being the final season I love this show and don’t want it to go! I love the dynamic between everyone writers director cast!!!!!! Wishful thinking.

  • @garrybrown2627

    @garrybrown2627

    Жыл бұрын

    Everyone is to old now.. show has lost its charm imo so 5 is good season for it to end on

  • @blakewalton1372

    @blakewalton1372

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@garrybrown2627i dont believe so nothing wrong with age man can say there in college an keep running with it they have the fan base for a few more seasons

  • @blakewalton1372

    @blakewalton1372

    4 ай бұрын

    Tagg them

  • @garrybrown2627

    @garrybrown2627

    4 ай бұрын

    Most shows that go past season 5 start to go downhill usually and the quality goes down. Rather go out on top like Breaking Bad, which also went 5 seasons or its spin off Better Call Saul. They ended at the right time.

  • @byler4560
    @byler45609 ай бұрын

    2:52 they scared me i hope jancy is endgame and they wont make her go back to st*ve

  • @brookechase3953
    @brookechase3953 Жыл бұрын

    I'm convinced Eddie will come back as a Puppet for Vecna. I think the title of the song Eddie playrd was very intentional not just with the way Vecnas been doing it but Eddie's fate.

  • @4hotpink10
    @4hotpink10 Жыл бұрын

    so excited to see Jopper thrive

  • @isabellaorozc0
    @isabellaorozc0 Жыл бұрын

    It’s funny how all the comments are just about bringing Eddie back anyways BRING HIM BACK WE LOVE YOU EDDIE YALL BETTER BRING HIM OR YALL LOSING A BUNCH OF VIEWS ON SEASON 5

  • @rosegarden880

    @rosegarden880

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah did they think about how much hate and less views their gonna get for next season??

  • @isabellaorozc0

    @isabellaorozc0

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rosegarden880 EXACTLY we all gotta let them know that

  • @isabellaorozc0

    @isabellaorozc0

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rosegarden880 which is also why I told them to get cursed by vecna🥰🥰 the duffer brothers obvi

  • @ara-ks1yr
    @ara-ks1yr Жыл бұрын

    They made me cry my eye's out at home when I had to play eddie death it was sad

  • @ashwitmoro
    @ashwitmoro Жыл бұрын

    That Sneakers hoodie is pretty sweet! Love that movie.

  • @TheConstructiveCritic888
    @TheConstructiveCritic888 Жыл бұрын

    I mean, them saying their decision to have a dark season 4 where they “lose” isn’t really a choice. It’s a very basic formula device. There’s a reason it’s used in nearly every film franchise.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 Жыл бұрын

    The Wheelers Synopsis Mike and El have married and now face the important task of raising children and it will be especially challenging when the kids have inherited their Mother's powers.

  • @vanessabernini1336
    @vanessabernini1336 Жыл бұрын

    Eddie 🖤🖤🖤

  • @tinabocskai8043
    @tinabocskai8043 Жыл бұрын

    I won't be popular with this opinion, but I don't want to see Eddie back if he would be a vampire or a zombie. Eddie is too pure and humble I don't want to see him being evil. The only way I can imagine, if it would be a flashback, when Dustin remember him like when they met and Eddie called Dustin and Mike to the Hellfire Club. Or some kind of scene like that. But not vampire, zombie or any evil character. Joseph said it well int the Access Interview: Eddie got a great arc in the show. We fell in love with him at first sight and get an important role in the story, and got a very heartbreaking end. It would be ruined with a vampire/zombie Eddie. I want to remember Eddie like this, as we met him, saw him in this season.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 Жыл бұрын

    Stranger Things: Wrath of the Beholder - Spin-off Series Synopsis This is set in 2009. The kids are older now, and they have children too. Mike and Eleven live together in Indianapolis with four kids, aged seven, twelve, seven, and three, near where Lucas and Max (Who is in a wheelchair) live with their ten year old, six year old, and newborn baby. Dustin has moved to Utah and now lives with his wife, Suzy, and their two kids, who are five and two years old. Unfortunately Will has passed away, and his old friends attend his funeral as pallbearers. Joyce and Jonathan vow to get revenge on the drunk driver that crashed into Will when he was driving home one night. Meanwhile, Steve lives with his wife Yvonne in the new Hawkins, which lies just outside the old one. Robin and her wife live nearby. Nancy and Jonathan are married, and have three children. Dustin, Lucas, Mike, Max, and Eleven love paying Dungeons and Dragons with their kids, but one day Dustin comes into contact with a Beholder in real life. He thinks it may have gotten from the upside down to the real world through one of the four gates made in Season 4. But then, super suddenly, he is zapped by the Disintegration Ray of the Beholder, and disappears, reappearing in the upside down. The Beholder won't stop until all the friends are in the upside down, and then he will zap them all with his most feared ray, the Death Ray! What will happen? Find out in this spinoff series on Netflix, coming out late 2023. (Disclaimer: Not actually real).

  • @markramos621
    @markramos621 Жыл бұрын

    Okay you Eddie stans- stop attacking the duffer brothers Eddie would have not even existed without them- and you guys should have known he was gonna die its pretty common for them to kill off good or new characters- example barb and bob were good characters but they got killed off-

  • @astreoin

    @astreoin

    Жыл бұрын

    exactly! like they didn’t know eddie was gonna be this loved because his death was filmed so long ago lol

  • @ghuleh969

    @ghuleh969

    Жыл бұрын

    Just casue is their common story doenst mean is good, also 90% of Eddie being so loved and likable is thanks to Joe Quinn, the duffers even said he was the only actor that made him less annoying or threatening and added so much more

  • @thebozosareout8770
    @thebozosareout8770 Жыл бұрын

    Yall eddie stans wild in deez comments bro ☠☠

  • @feintcircles
    @feintcircles Жыл бұрын

    Love the SNEAKERS Hoody. Such an underrated movie.

  • @seannadiaz4028
    @seannadiaz4028 Жыл бұрын

    So when are you dropping season five? Halloween?

  • @TheSakebomb1
    @TheSakebomb1 Жыл бұрын

    I know Elevens mother was presented in season 2.. however it would have been cool if there was a 002 female character that was also in the program who came back to protect Eleven, and opened the gate that pushed 001 into the upside down.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 Жыл бұрын

    HNL Synopsis Martin Brenner is the head of Hawkins National Laboratory, experimenting the power of telekinesis in child test subjects. But as people are suspicious, the police begin to investigate and one of the subjects escapes, Brenner's life falls apart...

  • @Sumivizion
    @Sumivizion Жыл бұрын

    Theres so many things that points into eddie coming back

  • @teenietinytony
    @teenietinytony Жыл бұрын

    the best part of this video is the cat :D

  • @loriwitmer6596
    @loriwitmer6596 Жыл бұрын

    Bring Eddie back!!

  • @thelaurenavery1133
    @thelaurenavery1133 Жыл бұрын

    In Lord Of The Rings when Gandalf the Grey “died” he came back as Gandalf the White…. Will they do a version of that for Eddie?

  • @crustychunkss

    @crustychunkss

    Жыл бұрын

    a LOTR reference for him would be so wicked and appropriate for his character 😭💕

  • @jennifertharp659
    @jennifertharp659 Жыл бұрын

    I trust that the Duffer brothers will give it all they've got. I hope it ends on a high note. And I hope we get Max and Eddie back, some way, somehow. They're such loved characters.

  • @kallieaaliyah9246
    @kallieaaliyah9246 Жыл бұрын

    if they dont bring back eddie..

  • @rickbone3906
    @rickbone3906 Жыл бұрын

    I’m waiting for the teacher from previous seasons to come back and teach the kids about time travel and the possibilities of it. The kids will find a way in the upside down to make time go back to before all this happens and end it before it begins

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