Tubman’s horse was lame in the walk and still awarded a 6.8… these judges should be embarrassed.

Front right, front right, hind left. The extended trot was the real tell-tale sign for the front lamenesses.

It's like they have to prove to the world that their horse is indeed lame

This is, indeed, outrageous. There needs to be an investigation as to why this test was not stopped! In this day and age we need to do better!

These high level riders spend hours on the backs of these horses, how can they not pick a lame step. I had a chronically lame horse, that ended up retiring, and I was an amateur rider and I could easily tell he was lame even though it was a subtle lameness.

@lynni3461

Жыл бұрын

Which one is lame? I don’t spot that. Never saw an unhealthy horse I think only the really bad ones who couldn’t even walk properly

@enawaldstein

Жыл бұрын

​@@lynni3461 all horses shown here were lame first two were stopped.

@csillatakacs55

Жыл бұрын

If you regularly ride a horse, have a partnership for at least a month to know how the horse's gaits feel you'll pick up on lameness immediately. My ex-lease horse went lame on the trail and I felt it immediately when it wasn't even visible. A few hours later hopping lame. (He recovered quickly, he bruised one of his front hooves on a rock.) You will feel the slightest change, because it just doesn't feel "right".

@grenade8572

11 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@lynni3461 I'm not very good at spotting lame horses, but I'll write here what I've spotted, in case I can help you 0:16 On the extended trot, it's obvious that the front legs move differentely; the right one makesnice rounded movements, the left one make flat movements. + the horse's head goes up when the left leg goes down --> front left leg is lame. 01:00 The back right leg is lame. Back left hoof goes near the front left hoof, but there is a gap between the back right hoof and the front right hoof. 1:33 - 1:51 One ftont leg lame (I'm not sure wich one). The horse trips, piaffes sticking on the floor, put the head up when the lame leg touches the ground. And it goes on for the rest of the performancrme.

@spellywelly

6 ай бұрын

Amen. I don’t believe for a second these riders couldn’t feel it. Like you, I had a mare with a subtle lameness - so subtle the first full lameness workup couldn’t pinpoint anything. I had my friend take her on a walk for a second opinion. She couldn’t detect anything at first but called me halfway through agreeing that something was off. We couldn’t get to the bottom of it, but a second lameness workup six months later showed side bones forming, so I think it must’ve been related to that. What I know for certain is that we amateurs don’t possess a hidden talent these pros don’t possess.

These riders are atrocious - especially the first one! Sawing and yanking on the poor horse's face, and the weight the hag threw into the halt! Do these people bribe their way into Grand Prix??? They surely must... Thanks for sharing - exposing these horrid creatures by name and evidence is the best thing we can do, as responsible horse people who actually care about our mount's welfare. Clearly these "riders" don't.

@animallover4101

Жыл бұрын

Oh it’s definitely political !!! Tubman is married to a judge

@EquestrianStrong123

Жыл бұрын

The Grand Prix and fei need to be abolished Complete bullshit 😊

With Tubbman it almost looks as if the horse injured himself during the test. That horse is SOOO tired.

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

Жыл бұрын

Actually, you can see the lameness in the front from the very beginning of the video, but as the pattern continues it becomes more and more pronounced. I'm honestly angry that not only the rider, nor the judges stopped it from continuing, that horse looks to be in the worst pain out of all the others in the video- tail swishing, ears pinned back, lips tight.

@amberblyledge7859

Жыл бұрын

@@AccidentallyOnPurpose I see it now. He is fully lame at the start. Shame that, he's trying so hard for his rider and the rider doesn't notice. Horse looks like he hadn't gotten REM sleep in three days, which is usually the maximum they can do before really suffering. Add exercise to that and you have a recipe for horrible injuries. My mare hid lameness from me once. Perfect in the walk (I think her feet were a little long) except for a reluctance to go down hill. It was a steep hill so eh. She volunteered the trot, me never asking, and was lame as can be. I had to stop her three times before I finally convinced her that "No, we aren't trotting anymore! You hurt!". She loves going fast! We cut the lesson super short and I got off as soon as she had stopped. Like, you can feel when they are off! She's just good at hiding it sometimes. Unfortunately her past has given her a lot of experience in that. She also has full veto power to not go on rides. If she doesn't feel like it or hurts or something, she just says no. It only happens like once every 20 rides or so. She refused the other day because it was raining. It was kinda that nasty rain.

@randomvielleuse527

Жыл бұрын

@@amberblyledge7859 Good for you! And for your horse! Trusting the horse to know what they need builds their trust in you and strengthens the relationship- which is the only way to go. Some time, she'll refuse to do something, you will listen and afterwards realize she saved you both from serious trouble.

Why on earth are the judges not stopping the tests as soon as it's evident the horse is not level. How the rider cannot feel the horse is unlevel just proves how out of sync they are with the horse.

@helenakove2

Жыл бұрын

Yahhh, I'm beginner level and i can immediately feel if something ain't right. How people on this level can't feel is shocking

@enawaldstein

Жыл бұрын

But they did with the first two I think

Rhythm is the first element of the training scale! Theses riders call themselves trainers? Can't feel the rhythm is irregular? Hmmm

@aSnayl

Жыл бұрын

They most likely can, but sometimes horses aren't really lame but just nervous and tense and loose rhythm for a couple steps. Which is not the case in these videos, sadly. I agree, if it's more than just a couple steps, you should totally notice and act

Unbelievable! I can't understand why no one told them to stop and if that was me I would have jumped off! Not carried on riding!?!! 🙁

You have no idea how much pharmacology these horses rely on to help keep them ' sound' dressage done right builds a horse up, not breaks it down.

Without the horse these riders would be nothing; they should be able to tell their horse is lame. These a horses are an extension of there bodies no excess do or this

What I fail to understand is how did these poor horses pass the jog up, aren't they required to pass the soundness test before the event like at Rover Kentucky 3 day, I thought every FEI event required a jog-up? I mean can't they feel that their horse is not alright, or worse yet to they not care.

@xhogun8578

Жыл бұрын

Something can happen between the trot up and the actual test. What I don't understand is why the riders are not noticing it earlier. Proves they are not in tune with the horse. Also why the judges are not stopping the tests as soon as they see the horse is unlevel.

@IreneAdler-ds5mo

Жыл бұрын

This is true, horses are horses, and things happen. But I disagree, and say this is unlikely if it was a recent injury there would be swelling or cut skin that would be hard to hide. If your horse's goes a hits it hock on a stall wall etc and it three hours until your ride, you are going to know and there is going to be swelling and steroids don't have that much effect that quickly.

@animallover4101

Жыл бұрын

@@IreneAdler-ds5mo there is a thing called rein lameness. Riders can in fact cause their horses to be lame the way they are ridden

@IreneAdler-ds5mo

Жыл бұрын

@@animallover4101 I don't agree with rein lameness as scientist, horses don't immediately become that unsound as those horses were under saddle. A horse that has a poor fitting saddle or bridle, will buck, bolt shy etc some type of evasion. Horses that lame in the hind hind is a result of hyperflexion abuse, through rolkur as stated by Dr. Hershmann. There is always a causally point or agent horses are not "rein lame", something has happened to make them lame. A stone in the shoe, shoulder bones worn away through a poor fitting saddle etc. IMO you would have to be brute of a rider to get on a perfectly sound horse and make them appear so lame so quickly. It takes time hopping on a horse, that was fine and then you ride them for say an 1 hour or day what in the name of heaven were you do to that poor horse to turn them lame so quickly. IMO these are long term lameness issues and the riders just don't care.

@sarahwagland1559

Жыл бұрын

​@@IreneAdler-ds5mo Tension is science. Bridle lameness is caused by tension. Feeling why the horse is tense and showing them how to release it is an art.

Such a cruel sport

Off topic somewhat, but I watched a podcast earlier today about ECVM in warmbloods and other breeds. It's a real concern.

@amberblyledge7859

Жыл бұрын

One of the symptoms is severe overtaking and it can also be caused by arthritis. Look up relative vs absolute elevation. Pretty much everyone today uses absolute elevation and it causes all sorts of issues.

Heartbreaking the horses try so hard to please 💔 😢

Not showing this level, but my horse I learned most from was one I brought back from a stifle injury. He had a hitch in his walk, but sound in trot and canter. Judges often commented on the walk that it was uneven, but we never got the bell.

Like I once had that my horse wasn't feeling great and thought he was lame. Luckily I got it on video and my feeling was right. Wonders why I can see it on video and zero comments on my test sheet bij the judges?????

@janeatack1

Жыл бұрын

Judges are not vets. Only vets can "diagnose" lameness. Judges can only comment on regularity. We are told only to ring the bell and stop if it is apparent on both reins and in all 3 gaits.

These horses are off a lot and it’s in part due to an overwhelming amount of work. I was taught by classical masters that they did not do dressage five days a week. They alternated between trail rides, dressage and a little light fun work. They didn’t want the horse to get sour.

Judges , vets and the riders must be disqualified for the rest of their lives. Than you'll never see poor lame horses again.

@morethanmeetstheeye1355

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I’m new to watching dressage; even I could tell the movement was a struggle. I keep coming across abuse of these equestrian athletes. Rollcur is abominable ! In my opinion, if you force your horse using the rollcur position, then you should be forced into an unnatural position for every moment your horse is abused. I have the same logic to improper and/or painful bits - let’s put a scaled down bit in your mouth and pull and push on reins. I’ll volunteer for both human consequences; but hey, I’m nice like that. Also - why do judges not enforce the rules that are clearly in place ?! Is it the greed of the owners? Are judges accepting bribes?

Horse abuse. Do these people know nothing! The lameness was so clearly visible a child could pick it up.

When was that

I’m not a rider but have watched many amateur level dressage events and I could pick up the lameness!

I'm not great at spotting lameness or telling which foot/leg is sore but wow- no problems here! What the hell is going on in these riders minds??? So frustrating! :(

@chrisunderwood2524

10 ай бұрын

What's going on is the term..me, me, me look at me...

I have surely come to know, riders are NOT trainers!, a really good trainer is hard to find. There are lots of unseasoned people out there claiming to be experts...sad

First one even lame on off fore as it walked out, didn't she feel it?

Those extended trots on the first two were pretty revealing! The last one , poor thing- hella lame in piaffe- why the F didn’t they get excused???? Looked like rider was just spurring more to try to cover up the shortness of stride. Absolutely shameful

How is this allowed? Why are thhey not rung off? All jury blind? Wtf

You do the same taxing movements over and over (your entire life) and you will end up lame. Repetition, repetition, repetition. It honestly doesn't surprise me how often dressage horses break. Horses were not born to these things all the time, they're not machines. Dressage itself should be the smallest portion of ridden work, light and short. This keeps ligaments and muscle sound. The horse needs to be a complete athlete doing other things the majority of time. This variety, like out rides for example on different surfaces, what Americans call "trail riding" keeps them fit and toned and using muscles in a different way, even just at a walk but preferably all three paces. Collection all the time particularly on arena surfacing is especially damaging. Riders who are afraid of outrides should let others do it instead.

If they were good riders they would've noticed that their horse is lame in the warm up ring. And if they did notice and decided to compete regardless they should be banned imo bc of animal wellfare. People who even consider competing on a horse that is in pain should not have horses at all. Embarrasing either way to show a horse like this, absolutely pathetic.

Win at all cost. These are not horsemen. These are equine abusers.

I will fail with this music it's totally lame annoying

@DressageHub

Жыл бұрын

Perfect it matches the riding!

You do sometimes have horses tweak something and you hope horse warms out of it. At least they stopped

Call it rein lamness or whatever.....but true story....I was riding my horse in the warmup arena and she suddenly went dead lame....really lame!! I rode over to talk to a friend about it and chilled a for a while! She said she wanted to see what I was talking about and "voila" it completely disappeared!! Sometimes stress can do funny things!!

Do you know how much guys and glory it takes to actually get there is like to see any of yous do better

@lauradon8603

Жыл бұрын

You're excusing a professional rider riding a lame horse. Any rider worth their salt can tell lameness the second that horse miss strides. And I have done better than these riders and I've never ridden at this level in my life. As an amateur I picked up my horses lameness and stopped riding, got it diagnosed and retired him to trails when it was proven to be no longer compatible with intensive training.

@briarcunningham7284

Жыл бұрын

@@lauradon8603 I sooo agree!

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

Жыл бұрын

Even a beginner would notice they are riding a lame horse, especially a horse as visibly lame as this one. There is absolutely no excuse for this, and some vet dropped the ball on the jog up.

@sunnybunny7053

Жыл бұрын

By "do it better" you mean enter a competition on a horse that isn't lame? Yeah we could all do that lol

@sue7298

Жыл бұрын

You are kidding right? Out of the ring period. Right now end of story. Sad about the hours of work but they know its part of what can hapoen just like any other athlete. The horse comes first no excuses

Well for one thing, there where no people in stands..so in my opinion this was just practicing or warm up...and these people riding this horse is obviously they don't know what the feeling of a lame mount is...they are just going through the motions doing what their lessons teacher taught them...