Odysseus said “You can’t fire me because I QUIT.”

@cojec

Ай бұрын

Athena went "You can't quit, I QUIT."

@awildnoviceappears

Ай бұрын

You can't quit you're a god!

@rhov-anion

27 күн бұрын

Athena: "Two can play this game."

So fun fact, in "Warrior of the Mind" the harmony between Athena and Oddy builds up. At first Athena holds the note and Oddy has the little melody which she joins him on for the last time. However in "My Goodbye" Athena starts with the same little melody and it ends with a single belted note.

@lizlilliman3644

Ай бұрын

You know I just realised this at the end and was like wow.

Love this song, and love your reactions 💕 Truly so excited to see you keep going through this journey, thanks for trusting us 😊

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

I am excited too!!!😁

@ElBarbas-hv2qw

Ай бұрын

Hey Mortius, have you seen the new Gigi animatic of There Are Other Ways? Its astonishingly well done!

@Sam_Less

Ай бұрын

@@ElBarbas-hv2qw he commented on it

@kirru6813

Ай бұрын

@@ElBarbas-hv2qwhe has a reaction on his patreon

@larseich5796

Ай бұрын

​@@ElBarbas-hv2qwit's on his patreon

Odysseus! This is not the time to start being sassy to your DIVINE SUGAR MOMMA! What are you doing my dude?!

@morganring8385

Ай бұрын

Came looking for this! 😂

@TheTuneShifter

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this!

@awildnoviceappears

Ай бұрын

Describing Athena as a "Divine Sugar Momma" is... something, that's for sure... Not entirely inaccurate though

@dragansnyder2786

16 күн бұрын

She insulted him for being merciful, despite the fact that it was seemingly the only option because she wasn't providing any way that polyphemus's corpse could have been moved if they would have killed him, Odysseus gives sentimental reasons why he did it but there's actually a very good common Sense tactical reason that he did what he did, i would be hurt too if my own mentor decided she wanted to cut ties with me after what is seemingly the first mistake, i Athena is being so dumb that she almost has to be acting(make a quick note here that this is really just my speculation, we don't really know what the heck is going on with Athena in the musical yet)

@dragansnyder2786

16 күн бұрын

But she probably should be mad that he chose to dox himself, but she clearly shows that she's upset he didn't kill polyphemus either, even though, like I said killing him honestly would have been dumber, because he's a giant CYCLOPS

"she is Athena" NO YOU ARE!!!!!!

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

😂😂👑

Athena is mad for two reasons, Ody didn't kill the cyclops (making sure no threat remained), and also the name thing. Because... you can ask gods to help you when you've been wronged in Greek myths. So... when Ody gives his name... it's like he's doxxed himself and is ASKING for a god to take him down a peg. So Athena was like, "No listen to me! Don't do it! Gods you did it! You silly man!" Funfact, you'll still hear her music motifs throughout the other songs which is a hint that even though she's not talking to him she's still watching him. :3

@SantosoWijaya

Ай бұрын

Also, at this point Poseidon is fully mad with Ody and Athena wouldn’t dare cross her uncle.

@geosustento8894

Ай бұрын

​@@SantosoWijayanope. Poseidon was only able to go after Odysseus because Athena no longer favors him. It's not a matter of superiority as aside from Zeus (and maybe Hera) the other gods are fairly equal hierarchically. It's a matter of who's got dibs on who. This is why in Orion's myth, Apollo can't go after Orion and had to trick his sister to kill him as he was under her protection. Or why Hera can't go after Zeus' many affairs directly and had to resort to tricks and subterfuge (such as the case with Semele) in order to kill or punish them despite Zeus also being terrified of Hera.

@SantosoWijaya

Ай бұрын

@@geosustento8894 There are some sort of obvious hierarchy, though. In the original material, Poseidon had to ask for Zeus’ explicit permission before unleashing his wrath on Odysseus. Also, later when Odysseus asked why Athena abandoned him, she said that she was afraid to cross her fearsome uncle.

@geosustento8894

Ай бұрын

@SantosoWijaya like I said, Zeus has the authority over the others. That's why Poseidon would have asked him regarding unleashing a storm. As for the latter, I don't ever remember that happening. IIRC, Athena abandoned Odysseus in the myths because he did something that insulted her. I don't remember there ever being a confrontation and her addressing Poseidon as her "fearsome uncle" especially when they have a very famous sort of rivalry that even Odysseus was a pawn for.

@Ale-hy4bx

Ай бұрын

Yes, but please don’t spoil it for her! She’s good at catching this details

If I'm remembering correctly, Jorge has been friends with the singer of Athena since college so that may be why he seems to have such good singing chemistry with her

Fun fact: When she first sang warrior of the mind, she held the note of mind. Then when Odysseus joins her he sings it and does a bit of a run with it. Then the next time she sings it she also does the run, showing she is opening him into her life. Now with my goodbye she does a bit of a run with her last couple of "goodbye!"'s and then finalized it with holding the note to show she has cut him out, she is done. The songwriting is so goooooood

'She's such a b... powerful being.' I SEE YOU XD Amazing video

I love how you’re split between vibing with the music and being astounded by the lyrics. Neither of them are pulling their punches XD

Considering later context... Athena really is a wholesome little bean...

Athena always valued logic. He let his emotions dictate his actions. "Open Arms" was the start of him going soft. Which led to his friends and soldiers dying.

@TangQin-ey3ru

Ай бұрын

YES

@dragansnyder2786

16 күн бұрын

​@@TangQin-ey3ru Odysseus may have given a emotional bit of reasoning as to why he didn't kill polyphemus, Athena should have seen that there was a perfectly sensible reason why he wouldn't have done it, the first lines of survive he talks about how the Cyclops is blocking the door so if they would have killed him they would have , been trapped in there, honestly the goddess of wisdom shouldn't harp on him for not illing the Cyclops (it itwas kind of dumb that he gave out his personal information, but Jorge does frame it in such a way that you might be able to blame Athena, because she was in his head needling him to kill polyphemus and so he just lashed out at the Cyclops and gave out all that really important information)

@audreyii6750

12 күн бұрын

I think Odysseus had been unstable since he had to _kill a baby_ Polites' entire song is about how he can see the stress/guilt is _destroying_ his friend Like, the crew sings "Everything's changed since Polites" and while I _do_ think Polites' death caused Odysseus' already fragile emotional/mental health to spiral further, that wasn't the beginning of the change Everythings changed since the sacking of Troy. This man was captain in a _ten year war_ yet in "Full Speed Ahead" he refuses to raid an island & starts talking about "we should try & find a way no one ends up dead"

@dragansnyder2786

12 күн бұрын

@@audreyii6750 I mean Odysseus has a decent bit of logic to why he doesn't want to raid the city, when you've been in war for 10 years you definitely don't want to engage in any more violence, and at every turn he really was trying to find a way not to commit violence, because again this man's been in a 10-year war and I think he's pretty well had his fill

When Athena was talking about his dead friends he looked ready to fight her

Love how all these reactors start the Troy saga with a lot of musical analysis, but then in the Cyclops saga, the reactions become very story based

“You reveal your name! Then you let him live!”

Recently Crashite released a very good animatic for the song "Luck runs out" from "The ocean saga", Mortius hasn't seen it, so your playlist probably has another version. But i really recommend to watch the animatic from Crashite, it's so much better!

@WittySomething

Ай бұрын

Second this, Crashite's animatic for Luck Runs Out is super good.

@Atlaska

Ай бұрын

I feel like even if you like it better it's kinda 'eh :/' to read one animatic is better than another/others, just as a thought /lh

@LilyBirds

Ай бұрын

@Atlaska it's good because it really shows what Jorge intended to do with this song. And Odysseus's intentions in the end of the song are also right.

@Atlaska

Ай бұрын

@@LilyBirds Oh, I'm not debating it's good! 🙌 But I don't think it's necessary or good to compare which one is better, is all I'm saying.

@WittySomething

Ай бұрын

@Atlaska I mean, people are allowed to have preferences. It's fine if someone thinks X is better than Y, it doesn't mean someone thinks X sucks. I think Gigi's animatic for Monster is the best one but that doesn't mean I think the others out there are shit. Honestly it's more rude to tell someone their opinion is rude or not valid when it comes to things like this.

Athena says, "You've grown soft", but I really don't think that's the case with Odysseus. Odysseus is... hurting. Active, bleeding type of hurt. But Athena has no understanding of that. Of course he rejected her advice; last time he listened to a god, he was forced to kill an infant. The man has had enough, and who can blame him?

@awildnoviceappears

Ай бұрын

THIS! EXACTLY THIS! I dislike it when people characterize Odysseus as this whiny boy who was given power by Athena and then threw a tantrum when things went wrong. His best friend just died in front of him and his mentor is acting callous to this! Of course he'll be running high on emotions and will be making bad decisions! It's repeatedly said that he's Just A Man! That's the whole point!!! Sorry for the rant, I really dislike those people

@carlycchapman

28 күн бұрын

@@awildnoviceappears Athena DOES have a point though, and spoilers, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . this decision bites him in the ass later

@emerson4140

14 күн бұрын

@@awildnoviceappearssame!! Also, one of the things that I feel like ppl don’t understand abt Athena is that she isn’t entirely wise about everything. She’s only wise when it comes to war, AKA strategy and politics. Her callous nature is because her domain is basically a giant chess game. On the other hand, Ares would’ve been more sympathetic because he’s the soldier’s perspective of a war. He is the camaraderie between men, the one who understands the vigor and determination each soldier has in wanting to get home alive. I feel like ppl water down Athena and Ares a lot these days, which totally sucks.

@awildnoviceappears

12 күн бұрын

@@emerson4140 yes! Thank you! To add to your point about Ares, during his verse in God Games, he's not exactly angered by Odysseus not killing Scylla but more that he did a "cowardly" action that led to the loss of the lives of soldiers. Just a little something extra I noticed in prep for the next saga (with the pattern of how they're releasing, I expect it around November honestly)

@emerson4140

12 күн бұрын

@@awildnoviceappears exactly that!! I also feel like Ares is genuinely angry abt how Odysseus betrayed his men by sacrificing them. Not only was it cowardly, but it broke the bond that all of them had made over the course of an entire decade. That shit is cruel from an outsider’s perspective

9:49 look at choir, see anything familiar? It's not cannon or anything but it was a good way for Wolfy to emphasize that twist of the knife.

@jdstaton4677

Ай бұрын

exactly ... just to the right of her ... Polites... and he's holding the infant

I'm so excited for what is to come. Also, you will eventually understand where Athena was coming from

Fun fact: "You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend, I mistook you for a general, what a waste of effort spent" is a reprisial from Warrior of the Mind. "If you're looking for a mentor I'll make sure your time's well spent" from Athena, and "bestest of friends" from Odysseus. Also, some recommendations for the next Saga: Storm: Jen Luck Runs Out: Crashite Keep Your Friends Close: Gigi Ruthlessness: Anniflamma, though Gigi has one that continues from Keep Your Friends Close

I just missed the premier but! CYCLOPS SAGA. I hope you can catch up before the newest saga in like 4~ Days

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

I know! I need to hurry up hahah!

@froggy12koreangirl

Ай бұрын

@@JenniferGlatzhofer “ROW FOR YOUR LIFE!” - Honestly wishing you the best, hurry but savor the amazing talent and voices! Each saga has a different enjoyment. I do like the “dance-like” motif of time signatures and animatics;

I absolutely love your reactions and analysis of the songs. I feel like im getting an enriching experience learning things ive never woulda learned prior

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Definitely recommend looking through Jorge's shorts! He gives lots of the music stuff we all love like the call backs, ensemble lore, instrument choices etc and it's just aaaaaaaa. So good :D

4:51 " she wants a leader who's going to lead" ah yes, the floor here is made of floor

watching ur reactions is like waiting for a new episode of a show thats airing 😭

@AlexGeeks52766

Ай бұрын

You get me 😭

Oddy say all of this, but there's only one thing that he forgot, she's a literally a GODDESS, he say all of that like she was one of his soldiers, oddy has some balls.

@TangQin-ey3ru

Ай бұрын

It’s a miracle that Athena didn’t kill him on the spot

Just a Lore thing i just noticed. Gods can cononicly sumon backing vocals but untill the vary end of my goodbye when Oddy said she was alone, she only ever dueted with Oddy giving him the impresion that he was the only one she backed. But she shows Oddy that his is just a man like all the others when she brings in the backing vocals.

@ControversialOpinionGuy

29 күн бұрын

I mean... she's gonna duet with telemuchus later to, so not just ody...

@NateD6547

29 күн бұрын

@ControversialOpinionGuy I mean that this is the "first" time she uses her powers to summon backing vocals. It's something up to this point that powerful beings do frequently and freely.

I love watching reaction videos to Epic because it feels like hearing for the first time again. I cannot wait for you to hear the rest of the sagas!!!

The song is great, as is the reaction to it. We look forward to the continuation.😁😁😁

It's a joy to see your genuine enthusiasm for the vocal performances and for all the callback and motif nerdery that's all over this musical. It inspires me to relisten to the songs with a fresh ear, I'm excited for you to hear more

This song is the musical version of an epic rap battle of mythology

Unfun fact: Athena only ever had one true friend, named Pallas, daughter of Triton, who helped train Athena in the arts of war. During a sparring match, Zeus saw that Athena was losing the fight, and not wanting his daughter to lose, secretly flashed his shields, directing the sun into Pallas' eyes. Distracted, Pallas put down their guard, and Athena accidentally impaled her friend upon her spear. She was blamed for Pallas' death, and forbidden to go to her funeral. Athena had been born as an adult, but had the mind of a child, and while she had gained much knowledge at this point, she had little emotional intelligence. So, she shut down. She ran out of tears to cry, and eventually, locked her guilt away behind a stoic mask. Athena did, however, take on her friends name as an epithet, and was thusly known by many in Athens as 'Pallas Athena'. So, she is basically numb to Odysseus' tears, having forgotten what if felt like to be in greif.

OMG Thunder saga is epic i am so excited for you to react to it and if you want to the (Jorge versions) of Troy and cyclops saga realsed so yeah..cause the company who there were working with were b- and yeah thats it ahh thunder saga is ahh amazing

@HY...AKA....GamingFacility

Ай бұрын

@TeI3gram_Me_JenniferGlatzhofer kzread.info1yOf7Ad-23M?si=_dagylLwALzg0vR3

Knowing about the theming around background vocals I just realized she was treating him as an equal up into the point she said you are just a man with the spirit backgrounf

I know you're more focused on the music than paying specific attention to the animatics. But I'd recommend looking at the background of the shot when Athena's chorus joins her in singing "Just a man."

I think athena left, not due to the fact he felt emotional loosing his friends but because he allowed his emotions to control his actions- not taking her very rational advice. By him essentially taunting the cyclops who was already blind- thinking hes so high and mighty that he can literally leak his name and home. That sort of recklessness isnt something you want in a general. If you were in a war and your general went to the enemy you just defeated "HA, MY NAME IS ××××××× ×××× AND I LIVE AT ×××××××" while being aware that gods can take advantage of that, id be like 'that could be bad'. If he had just silently left, she probably wouldve stayed (been annoyed, sure but i dont think enough to leave). In those few sentences, Athena realised that Oddysseus was willing to risk everything just to get the final word in. Yeah, she was quite flat and didnt sugarcoat it but like...this is a war and she is the GODDESS of WAR and WISEDOM- not emotion. Of course shes gonna be upset he did something so stupid! Great reaction! Im so happy that more and more people are getting into the epic community ❤

@DarkestNova556

Ай бұрын

CORRECT! From what I can tell.

Thank you for being the personification of my own nerdiness when I first heard this song via Mortius! (Speaking of, there's a cheeky animatic from it that just cracks me up every time, in case you haven't seen it already). My musical theater brain was just picking up all your points and going YAAAAAS QUEEN (err goddess)!! Excited for you to embrace the tidal wave ahead as the musical "Odyssey" continues!

in the original text she never leaves and is always watching over him (actually don't know in this), Athena is a merternal role in to Odysseus amd is the one time she was allowed to be as such in myth

Yayy

"Ba- Wa- Li- what line?" PFFF 💀

Jennifer! Watching one more because it's pounding rain with thunder and lightning outside so no sleeping with that going on. Might as well watch another Jen video until this nonsense is over with ... unless the power goes out, it's that bad! 😯 Ok for you ... ❤... as requested. 😊 So Goodbye ... sounds more like a nasty breakup between Athena and Odysseus! Did you ever turn Sarah on to this Epic? You did say she loves Greek mythology. Great reaction and analysis Jen. Off to bed ... the weather has settled down a bit. 😊

Girl it's 5am I just binge watched your entire Epic list and I can't wait for u to continue. I'm one of them mental epic fans, I'm obsessed with it since I found it little after the oncean saga released, so when I saw vocal coach reacts to eppic I instantly clicked on it. I looove your videos so far, made me an instant fan of yours. Your analysis and your reactions... I mean... golden!!!!!

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

Oh thanks so much!

NICE WARRIOR OF THE MIND CATCH!

Jen you better sing at 10:45 ✨✨✨

I personally think the Mircsy version of this animatic is the better depiction of the fight / break up between the two of them.

EPIC is such a journey of musical candy! ❤🤗

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

Right😁

I'm excited

Watching your reactions and analysis makes this even better!

I love your reactions so much, I can't wait for the next saga

I know you're mostly doing a vocal analysis, and itll be a while until you get to it, but I *highly* recommend reacting to Rochi's animatic for "Monster" in the Underworld arc, their visual metaphors and storytelling are AMAZING and perfectly complement the music

@fiony1

Ай бұрын

My guy she just finished the Cyclops Saga 😭 😭

@thebrandunsafeone7184

Ай бұрын

@@fiony1 I literally started the comment with an acknowledgement of how long it'll be

❤❤❤ lovely ending to the Saga! Thank you for your reaction and analysis!!!

2:28 it's Hades' :P

MY GOODBYYYAAAAAYYYYYEEE!

Hi Jennifer hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤

You should cover this song with mortius, that would beee sooo awesome

@JenniferGlatzhofer

Ай бұрын

👀👀

Everyone in the fandom is like “haha, dont bring up Just A Man challenge failed” when it comes to the musical, but I love how often it’s said. The audience needs the reminder that despite his pride as a leader of men he is also just a human doing the best with what he’s got. It’s easy to forget with so many mythical and monstrous creatures in the story ;-;

GOODBYE (C)2006

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you and casper both have beef with athena now lmao

Athena was in the right, Odysseus lets control by the anger and the compassion. Letting the ciclops live and saying him his name a thing that will return as a tragedy to Odysseus

Badass señorita

Just letting you know the newest Saga in Epic is gonna release in 3 days. So if you find it hard to find animatics when you reach the latest Saga it's okay I'd just use a lyric video if you can't find an animatic that does the whole song. Animation takes time. XD

I'm not sure if it is on my end but the playlist is in the wrong order so the first video is the latest so if you are watching this through that you have to remember to go a video back each time so you don't go backwards.

@ControversialOpinionGuy

29 күн бұрын

Click the reverse button at the top of the playlist...

This is actually my first Epic song that made me get into it🤭 (its a pity that is her last song for a good 4 sagas)

@HY...AKA....GamingFacility

Ай бұрын

I love Athena's voice ahh

@lode555

Ай бұрын

@@HY...AKA....GamingFacility Her voice is gorgeous. I came in WAY late into the series. I had never heard of it until The Underworld Saga.

@omarsalem1219

Ай бұрын

4 actually

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So small problem Jorje’s releasing new and improved versions of both the Troy Saga and the Cyclops Saga because companies aren’t paying him his money for both those sagas… so… yeah… Maybe after you finish watching the entire series you can go watch the newer ones? Idk do what you want I’m just the informant

You should react to “Bless the Broken Road” by Rascal Flatts

1:41 Me: ... Hey >:^(

Who won? Who's next? You decide!

@ControversialOpinionGuy

29 күн бұрын

Teehee... gotta love it...

React to slaughter to prevail viking to hear some interesting vocals

Hi! Can you do a reaction video of "Saving All My Love for You" by Michael Pangilinan and Sassa Dagdag? Their cover is chef's kiss! I hope you'll give it a try. Thank you!

please reaction dimas senopati , alone by hearth, thank you

Its not really focused on, but Odysseus _is_ prideful We see it in his cockiness when dealing with the cyclops (up until Polyphemus decides to kill everyone) When he demands Polyphemus remember him And now, when he "talks back" to Athena (yes, he is grieving & its understanable he'd blow up a bit but) he calls a _GODDESS_ vain, counters that, no, actually, this is HIS goodbye & points out she's alone Unfortunately Jorge's music is so epicly composed, we feel as if Odysseus is doing the right thing (His "i am the infamous, Odysseus" moment 100% _sounds_ like a hero/victory moment, but it is NOT)

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Odyssey is letting his emotions overrule his logic while in hostile lands, and putting him whole army at risk of death directly as a result of those actions. Sharing emotions is a private thing when you're safe at home. He should not be lashing out at his best chance at returning. Your immediate response of wanting him to be emotional is weird. Why do you want him to do so?

@nathanroy4000

Ай бұрын

showing your emotions is how most people process them, unless you have gone through war, or something equally traumatic, most people don't process emotions in silence or have an easy time letting logic take precedence when their entire world gets flipped upside down. so yes, as leader that is what he should have done, but under extreme circumstances even the most logical can become emotional. and putting your emotions aside is not normal by todays standards, so why would that be anyone's default setting if they have not been through one of the aforementioned trauma's?

@cdbitesky

22 күн бұрын

They just came from a war and this definitely isn't the time to process. The instability from sound so clearly compromised his ability to think clearly which is the problem

Hope you didn't like Athena either...

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