Everything I’ve ever learned about Dream was never by my own will.

@vocalcalibration8033

15 күн бұрын

Same brother

@theonlyace8393

15 күн бұрын

For real I had no idea b4 the drama

@surianna301

15 күн бұрын

Were you being held by gun point while watching this

@jurb417

15 күн бұрын

you voluntarily watched this so you're already wrong.....

@solomani5959

15 күн бұрын

Ditto.

The girl who accused Dream's friend saying "I was freshly 18" was the first sign that something was wrong about the whole thing lol. Her video seemed super rehearsed and everything but I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was scared but no regular person would say "freshly 18" lol. "I was only 18" or "I'd jsut turned 18" are the regular sane people terms, "freshly 18" sounds like a Sasha Grey video title from 2008 ffs

@Rothillion

15 күн бұрын

she said that to manipulate the public opinion. when she said freshly 18, they was pointing that she was a minor few weeks/months ago. meanning she decided to make people feel he is a pedo

@rainblue4789

15 күн бұрын

there's been so many bs stories like this recently, was this the same girl that sounded like she was reading a Y/N fanfic as her "story" recounting?

@MrHestolemyname

14 күн бұрын

She says ''freshly'' purely to make it more sexual. Which made George's situation look even more bad.

@lootmaster1337

14 күн бұрын

i was freshly 18 .. we cuddled and then he left .. and i don't even like the minecraft weridos but if the bar is that low, holy shit

@VoxelPioneer

14 күн бұрын

The best part is she had been 18 for like 6 months when it happened 😂

Im balding, so I watch Asmon

@jansix4287

15 күн бұрын

For me it’s the dirty room in mom’s house. I can relate. 😆

@pachalo

15 күн бұрын

I have a dirty room, bald and love Dr. Pepper

@thegreatbeavers

15 күн бұрын

Asmomgold completely lost the touch for Minecraft though he is right but he is ded wrong. There's guys like Grian and Mumbo Jumbo and both of em are happy.

@nedfo72

15 күн бұрын

Same bro, same

@karnaerrande

15 күн бұрын

same

Something important to note is that the George canceling was bullshit. The girl in question was 18, lied that she was 21, and went to a drinking party. Both she and George were drunk, and they both consensually cuddled. It was only a week after the party that she tried to wield her age as if she weren't an adult. It's a very interesting rabbithole for sure.

@gabev7579

15 күн бұрын

Wow sounds like she was trying to use him

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

15 күн бұрын

This happens far more than people realize. Clout seekers weaponize interactions. It's called Vulnerable Narcissism.

@Thisguy2532

15 күн бұрын

@@gabev7579she was, like many young ladies, they decide one day I didn’t like that and bam on KZread for clout and it didn’t work TBH a lot of KZreadrs I watch that aren’t in the gaming community covered it like aba and preach, and said she was being dumb saying she wasn’t capable of making her own decisions as a legal adult even going as far to say she in her own words was an underaged/minor 19 year old, no accountability even for the fact that she lied about her age and claimed sexual assault for cuddling, I have friends that would tell you horrible stories of when they were SA, it was a grab from the chick to obtain popularity

@kahillloyd8920

15 күн бұрын

she also didnt start wielding her age until after he tried to distance and end things from her too

@ferretdash

15 күн бұрын

isnt 18 the legal drinking age in the uk, where georgenotfound lives?

The Georgenotfound situation was disgusting. It's abhorrent how common that is offline. People never get punished for slandering men like that.

@kacecrimson8297

15 күн бұрын

not enough people care, maybe that will change. But as is to the wolves he goes

@ucNguyen-tp3fb

14 күн бұрын

Who?

@karacter3369

14 күн бұрын

That advice by the end of the video was real

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

14 күн бұрын

I'm surprised this didn't get deleted like 80% of my replies on this subject always get deleted despite just voicing the same opinion as most of this thread. People should realize that this is "Problematic" to the admin's/AI of this site. Be careful out there my dudes, they see you as the enemy.

@kacecrimson8297

14 күн бұрын

@@user-zj6tl2jt9h I legit dont even want to comment anymore because they delete my things instantly. Im just praying that this back fires on them to such a degree that they have to give up on it.

The 2019-2022 "Tech Boom" has massively warped peoples frame of reference. Between people physically sheltered in their homes and mentally sheltered into their online circles, the brain rot has rooted itself deep. Going from 40+ mil views down to 7 mil views blows, sure. BUT, if you had 7 mil views back in 2017-2018 you were a titan on the internet.

@eirgel38

15 күн бұрын

absolutely. I keep seeing pandemic numbers referenced as 'falling off' or something when it was just a huge exception bc of the circumstances

@jimbothegymbro7086

15 күн бұрын

I mean as long as he can survive on the lower views and he's happy who cares? we don't have to min max the joy out of life to be valid human beings for christ sake

@RIP_ZYZZ1738

15 күн бұрын

@@jimbothegymbro7086And to add to your point, less views means less shit to deal with. So if falling off means having the same standard of living with better mental health, that’s a win honestly

lol 12 year olds don't want to watch other 12 year old content creators. They wanna watch 16-26 year old creators who play minecraft and act like they're 14.

@thatguyintherain3168

15 күн бұрын

That's what he said, dingus

@Asin24

15 күн бұрын

@@thatguyintherain3168 I mean in the rant early on he literally said someone their age. It's not at all what he was initially saying.

@mattnic001

15 күн бұрын

thats literally his point

@godpop

15 күн бұрын

​@@Asin24"people that look 14" is what he said earlier😂

@imrane161

15 күн бұрын

​@@godpopwhat about jake paul tho, what about those typical bad influence youtubers who prank? What about that chick who made the apology song. I think mr beast aswell? (I dont pay attention i think those got/have alot of kids) Its not about looking like them its about the content. Meanwhile people that look the same age rarely attract the same age crowd. Ofc the audience wants to relate to the youtuber. "Same look" doesnt mean "i relate". I disagree with him because he puts those 2 together like cause and effect. There could be different factors at play. A big one for example is the mystery is gone. Asmongold even said that his vieuwership was already falling before he took the mask off. So clearly its not about his looks. Taking his mask off was a just a quick way to get back vieuws. I think the main reason his vieuws dropped off for non constincy

Imagine your face is the reason of your downfall .

@luckysalt8151

15 күн бұрын

Normally that would be pretty shitty/shallow, but when its the internet as a whole, there's not much you can do about it. So it doesn't matter if its bad. Even if the allegations were true.

@basementhomie2674

15 күн бұрын

Can relate

@tuckddd9

15 күн бұрын

Bro really look like the troll thing he had to know that angle would do it he had to

@SyIis

15 күн бұрын

Life could be dream

@LordRykard9376

15 күн бұрын

Honestly I think it's more a mystery thing.

Asmongold is right. Honestly, even if he gets way less money now, he also gets his life back. If he is wise with the money he has earned so far he could easily do less on KZread and just have a normal outside life. There is nothing shameful about deciding to take your winnings and walk away.

@holysecret2

14 күн бұрын

I agree, I think however that communicating that is an important step in avoiding a lot of toxicity. Pewdiepie was quite honest about the direction he was going, and communicated that he was less interested in making frequent content anymore, but would keep in touch. I think his relation with his community is a pretty good example, where it graduated from the sort of daily active friend you go out with to more of an old friend you see a couple times a year. Not trying to invoke some parasocial vibes with that language by the way, it's just the closest analogy I can think of

@RobReith

14 күн бұрын

Honestly that's the way to go in my opinion. Get wealthy then have a life to enjoy it. 👍🏻

Regarding George's "power dynamic" conversation. You can tell someone is terminally online when they use such a phrase and have no idea what it actually means.

@thomgizziz

11 күн бұрын

There is always a power dynamic... people are attracted to something and they want it which they say creates a power dynamic. It is just a BS way to play the victim. Unless people are threatening to use their power outside of the relationship or are using that power then there is nothing to talk about. You threatening to break up with somebody isn't a power dynamic issue because they have the same power in the relationship. People need to stop trying to have no responsibility and need to stop playing the victim for cash and prizes.

@barstools1013

11 күн бұрын

​@@thomgizzizbut that's not what that means. He has no authority over her.

Bro should have kept that mask on for life😭

@PineappleBaconPizza

15 күн бұрын

Damn, he's going to build a time machine to stop himself from that face reveal 😂

@oscarcharliezulu

15 күн бұрын

Dream should have learned from the dread pirate Roberts

@DanteVerde-pt9zc

15 күн бұрын

@@PineappleBaconPizza Nope it's his canon event

@offworlder461

15 күн бұрын

Dude should've learned from H20 Delirious. Just keeps uploading face reveal videos every April 1st.

@PhurPher

15 күн бұрын

Nah, it wasn't him showing his face that's the issue, it's definitely the fact that he did a face reveal and made it a whole thing. It's weird and creepy and keeps peoples mind stuck on your face. "Peekaboo, look it's me, a HUMAN, hehehehe" and his eyes are all wide and IDK man it's weird. Like yea, we know dude... stop being fucking weird about it. It also makes being in a game and not showing your face a weird thing when in reality it isn't, making this face reveal some BIG THING, it just gives everyone a bad vibe. It's pretty unhinged tbh. Like Asmon said, it's attention seeking too. If he had just revealed his face without announcing it or giving a fuck, like it's just another day without addressing it, nobody would have gave a fuck. Some parasocial weirdos would have talked about it for a couple weeks and people would have stopped hearing or thinking about it. It's almost as if he was hiding and this reveal thing was a projection of his guilt combo'd with his awkwardness that he had which was his reason for wearing it. Thing about being awkward, stop paying attention to it and it stops mattering. Still exists, just doesn't count for anything, no one gives a shit.

The problem wasn't the face reveal, I think. The problem is he basically decided to stop doing the thing that made him famous, and subsequently not replace it with anything meaningful. The amount of content that he produced dropped off a cliff, and people stopped being interested. If Dream had kept making content regularly, the face reveal would have just been a controversial blip that everybody forgot about in a few months. The fact that he just stopped doing what he was famous for and tried to freaking make music is what hurt his career so badly. Frankly, he could still make it back, I think, if he returned to what made him big in the first place. The problem is entirely self inflicted.

@namanhlehoang9999

9 күн бұрын

I think the same. People love him cause of his content which he has been making as a minecraft content creator until he do vlog like content and interact with celebs

bro forgot that every kids youtuber is in their 20's or 30's

@SaviorLight

14 күн бұрын

What he's saying is their looks not their actual age. It's a point it seems a lot of people are missing. I will say Asmond's point holds true in many cases however, the content matters to that draws you in.

@animalcrossingcharacter_ex9717

7 күн бұрын

@@SaviorLight what 20+ person looks like a 10 year old

@CarneAsuhDude

6 күн бұрын

@@SaviorLightwell that wasn’t what he said lmaoo. He said 12 years watch other 12 year old creators who are the same age etc.

@ultimaxkom8728

5 күн бұрын

In another way, it's a kind of stereotyping. It also has to be said that teens love to imitate adults and being "smart"; rejecting kids stuff.

Dream's situation is the opposite of Disguised Toast. Toast's face reveal was an accident but was just laughed off and then he did the reveal later and became more powerful.

The thing that people disagreed with about Asmon's take on watching people who were their age and people saying "No?" was not people saying "People don't relate with people the same age." Of course they do, it's your own age demographic. You have the most to relate to. They were referring to like the golden age of KZread when they were kids, like I was when I first started watching KZread. I watched Chuggaconroy, Tobuscus, Smosh, just to name a few, and I was like 12 years old. I don't think there were ANY child KZreadrs I would watch on the platform when I myself was a child.

@holysecret2

14 күн бұрын

There are a couple of old streamers / youtubers that I like to watch sometimes, that feel quite relatable. At some point it stops being about age, and more about the content of someone's character. There seem to be about as many people that are and aren't around my age that seem relatable / unrelatable to me, to be honest.

@SobBaget602

14 күн бұрын

it's almost like When i was a teen i was watching markiplier, Jacksepticeye. even thought they most definitely didn't look young or like me lmao

@kingkarlito

14 күн бұрын

haven't seen his ability to understand completely meltdown this quickly for awhile. people tend to watch people a few years older than themselves, they are still super relatable but also someone to look up to.

@Regarded69

14 күн бұрын

All the examples people give were in like their late teens or early 20s, you're just proving Asmons point. Tobuscus looked and behaved like a 16 year old for the duration of his relevancy and the Smosh guys looked and acted really young too in their hayday. Asmon didn't really say that kids wanna watch youtubers that are their age, but they don't want to watch mature, bearded men. When watching Smosh as a kid I remember thinking ''they are pretty much the same as me, just a few years older'' but today Smosh looks like a couple of hipsters that you would see enter a LA coffeeshop with their baby carried in their baby backpack, and I don't think I would have watched them as a kid. I can't think of any youtube personalities I followed when I was younger that were 30+ and mature in their apperance and behaviour.

@pindy6109

14 күн бұрын

@@Regarded69 I liked Chuggaconroy because at the time he was doing a Wind Waker playthrough and I was in love with the Wind Waker. He also did some Super Mario Sunshine and I also loved that game at the time but we'd sold our console so we couldn't play it anymore. I liked Tobuscus because of the Literals, especially of games that I liked. Smosh similar story, their Pokemon intro theme dub was hilarious at the time and still damn funny to me today. It's not because they were "acting like kids," (that's a major stretch) it's because they had video game content as a part of their skits that I found the most relevant and entertaining to me.

kids always want to look up to and hang out with people older than them. Main reason why most of the Heroes in fiction have been in their 20-30's albeit not many older than forty, while the teen and child heroes and characters usually had a place in the roster but were often seen as annoying or weren't as popular, even though children and teenagers were the main audience. Everyone from that time talk about cheetara, liono, etc, but I don't here many people saying Wiley Kat and Wiley Kit were their favorite characters in thunder cats. Then you can say "well that's fiction that's different idiot." But same is pretty true from every hobby/interest that was popular, skateboarding, football, basketball, music, outside of the age of boy bands, the "stars" were always around 20's to 30's and the kids flocked to them. I think the main takeaway is that the age limit is "younger than my parents, but older than myself, and successful."

@hubytuby6308

15 күн бұрын

Spider-Man, Shazam (Captain Marvel)

@knife3730

15 күн бұрын

Agreed, boys want to look up to heroes who are masculine and assertive, and by extension brave. traits that are hard to write into an underage or elderly character.

@Thisguy2532

15 күн бұрын

@@hubytuby6308i was gonna say spidey, high schooler when he got his powers, and Shazam billy was what a middle school kid or in highschool? But spidey was more widely popular but there is a lot of Peter in his college/adult life which are some of the best comics around his 20s I think even Peter in the PlayStation games is what mid/ late 20s and spiderverse you get the older Peter, man remembering Peter Parker had a really shitty life 😂 no wonder he’s always spidey

@aeryellae5837

15 күн бұрын

I think most of the heroes that are written for children nowadays are actually kids themselves. YA exploded between the mid 90s and the oughts, growing over 1000% with heroes like Katniss , Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, Eragon, and Edward, Bella, and Jacob from Twilight. Even in anime, the most popular genre is shounen, which is dominated by child soldiers. :P

@longlepro957

15 күн бұрын

they can look up to both, one is not exclusive to the other. age range is probably 0-10 years older.

We learn from Naruto, that Mask Removal will Nerf you (Obito)

@-Tixz-

15 күн бұрын

😂

@captainchaosxx3866

14 күн бұрын

Or in the case of Haku. Leave your oppenent sexually confused.

@todd8398

14 күн бұрын

That's why Kakashi wears another mask under his mask.

@Arbalest-vy5jz

13 күн бұрын

@@captainchaosxx3866 a.k.a have a good looking, sadly this one isn't

I was laughing at the relating to people your age argument at around 4 minutes in. Personally growing up on KZread I watched people that were older than me. Rooster Teeth, Yogscast, Pewdiepie, Machnima, ect. I think it more so has to do with the content and how it relates to you but I see his point.

@aiaoi5048

15 күн бұрын

its essentially you as say 16 y.o can relate to 16 y.o type content in general regardless how old the content creator is (e.g. pokemon cards content creator). when you past 16 y.o, usually you won't be interested in 16 y.o type content anymore

People typically watch people older.

@crafty4722

15 күн бұрын

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

I don't think this is a bad thing for him. Minus unloyal fans he still have very large core fan audiences and that just make his community more solid.

Don't try to appease mentally unstable people, or suffer the consequences when they decide to turn on you.

Kids will mostly watch streamers that are around their own age.....hm I guess Pewdie Pie's fans didn't get the memo

@benparker265

15 күн бұрын

I didn't agree entirely with this point either, but I think it's more about maturity not exactly what you look like, there's alot of successful Minecraft youtubers who aren't young but they are very immature, like pewdiepie for example, and this is what makes them relatable to a younger audience.

@LittleWritingV

15 күн бұрын

When minecraft first took off, no one was using face cameras. It was until much much later on KZreadrs started putting themselves in the videos. Do you remember the musical fever for minecraft parody songs? I dont remember any 12 year olds doing that.​@benparker265

@rawrbrz

15 күн бұрын

Pew is just still got a child’s heart. Dude has a wife and house and kid and what seems like financial restraint despite the insane amount of money

@BussinandDiscussin

14 күн бұрын

He fell off a bit though and 90% of his fans are those 35 year old millennials now, 13 year old army is just a joke.

@EldestZelot

14 күн бұрын

It's part of identification in social learning theory, so yes it is true. However it's not black and white, most people will seek role models and feel more comfortable with people around their age group. It's primarily neurodivergent children, adolescents and young adults that break this cycle as they have uneven levels of milestone development.

I’ve never heard of this person.

@atlus3669

15 күн бұрын

bro how

@justaadhdgamerwesley6244

15 күн бұрын

Stay pure

@mantraki

15 күн бұрын

@@atlus3669 I would say not being terminally online but dream has participated in so much drama its almost impossible not knowing who he is

@mahinkhan3708

15 күн бұрын

I wish I could say the same

@Steamedhams578

15 күн бұрын

​@@atlus3669How old are you for example? I'm 25 and I only heard about dream on Twitter and when he got beat up by that Voice Actor.

He should change his name to Nightmare and go on a villain arc at this point.

Feels like the youtubers that rise the fastest always fall the hardest.

@Butter_Warrior99

15 күн бұрын

Yup.

@jyuu6650

15 күн бұрын

because you have everything to lose when you're at the top

@Thisguy2532

15 күн бұрын

Part of the reason why I never started or tried to be a KZreadr either you never get big or you get big and then in like 5 years your working a regular job again, most KZreadrs have a short life span to get up there and still grow that’s why Mr beast and pewdiepie are the exception to the rules it’s hard to get there and still be there for over a decade and have the life with a beautiful wife and just occasionally like pewdiepie upload every once in awhile and still get millions of views

@Kramer8

15 күн бұрын

Beluga

@Sergeant_Tofu

15 күн бұрын

Like Vanossgaming a slow rise and he's still loved today.

Asmon is more riled up than usually today

I guess everyone watching pewpiepie, jacksepticeye, markiplier were in their early to mid 20s when they started.

@MrBiosh0ck

15 күн бұрын

Lol imagine choosing this hill to die on. 😂

@Goston67

15 күн бұрын

Don't forget Mr. Beast, Smosh, the Paul brothers, RayWilliamJohnson, Ryan Higa, Shane Dawson, jennamarbles, and who could forget SSSSSSniperwolf

@loth1184

15 күн бұрын

I think you forgot 3 more Ss on Sniper wolf's name 😂​@@Goston67

@todd8398

14 күн бұрын

@@Goston67 Said this before, but Jenna Marbles was smart to GTFO before social media audiences got f'n weird.

@heatfragment

14 күн бұрын

lets not forget before that era Fred was a thing.

I swear the last minecraft youtuber to not have drama was DanTDM and that was like a decade ago 😂

@dogecursor5190

15 күн бұрын

Dan is such a pure person

@ariaangela3455

15 күн бұрын

Also CaptainSparklez. Bro still make big bucks he got himself a BAC Mono amongst other expensive cars

@user-nh8le8uv6g

15 күн бұрын

Stampycat didn’t really have drama either

@Patchnote2.0

15 күн бұрын

EthosLab would like to know your location.

@syressx9098

15 күн бұрын

Techno, my king

The whole argument that kids want to watch people around their age is totally wrong just based on how we all grew up. Even in the minecraft community, SkyDoesMinecraft, Deadlox, DanTDM, Yogscast, all of them were way older. Rhett and Link, Smosh, you can keep giving all these examples of content creators that were extremely older than what we were but we watched them. Tobuscus, Aviator Gaming and his gang, I can keep giving a fuck ton of examples of 20 somethings who a bunch of early to mid teens watched. And based on that argument alone, they should be relating to someone younger.

@chanter3978

15 күн бұрын

I can't think of anything that 12 year old me would have hated more than watching a 12 year old's youtube videos. I had so little patience back then that it would have driven me nuts.

@riccardobuso5379

15 күн бұрын

Well, asmons argument is partially true, age is not necessarily a factor but how they act definitely is. A kid isn’t going to watch complex philosophical videos, they’re going to watch people who act how they’re used to, and these people are acting as children (nothing inherently wrong with it tho)

@danusorn8655

15 күн бұрын

The Paul brothers, Pewdiepie, heck the OG KZreadrs were ALL NOT KIDS

@Cristofah

14 күн бұрын

@@chanter3978he’s not talking about 12 year olds he’s talking about teenagers

@username.exenotfound2943

13 күн бұрын

stampy as well

Influencers are like passing trends. When they gain fame, they get their heads in the clouds, thinking they're invincible and their fame will last forever. If they don't use their moment wisely, they won't last long

Can Sunny V2 end any sentence without a vowel sound?

@Lybrel

15 күн бұрын

No-uh

@chanter3978

15 күн бұрын

Seriously. It's worse than nails on a chalkboard to me.

@kozinus7096

14 күн бұрын

that patch will roll out with V3

@RobReith

14 күн бұрын

He does love to drag it out a bit huh? 😅

@tipopmat

2 күн бұрын

Wish I never read that comment. Now it's the only thing I hear-huuuuuuh

when i was 13-16 i was watching JackSepticEye, Pewdiepie, Markiplier, Rooster teeth, they were all older than me by almost a decade. Asmon thinking being older means younger audiences aren’t interested in your content is just 100% wrong. It matters more about what your interests at that age are.

@mynameisnoternesto

14 күн бұрын

I think it’s most about the targeted age. They are 10 years older than you but probably they acted and still acting like a 16 years old

@michaelh878

14 күн бұрын

All people who acted in very immature ways.

@dscvered

14 күн бұрын

@@michaelh878 Were they immature or did they act how adults who have fun for a living act? They were paid to make jokes and play video games. That’s not the kind of work environment you’d find at a brokerage or tax agency. I think it just goes to show that asmons nickelodeon argument flopped because a bunch of adults were able to capture the attention of a majority of different age groups while being adults themselves.

@maxten1463

14 күн бұрын

@@dscvered they were immature. nice essay though

@dscvered

14 күн бұрын

@@maxten1463 Took me like 10 seconds to write that out lil bro, and no, they weren’t. Nice try backing up your argument though, oh wait.

Dreams downfall will be motivation for KZreadrs with hidden identity to never show their faces ever

@Fadexpl

15 күн бұрын

His face reveal is irrelevant to his "downfall", he just stopped producing his most popular series of videos so people started leaving.

@ASNS117Zero

15 күн бұрын

@@Fadexpl 100%. People would probably go back to watching him if he started Manhunt back up.

For me when I was a kid I was into captain sparkles, the red baron, and other guys I'm pretty sure were in their late 20s early thirties.

@crafty4722

15 күн бұрын

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

He took off his mask and all the middle schoolers were like who tf is this creep lmao

Ok this is legitematly so stupid. SunnyV is treating it as if Dream is somehow trying desperatly to recapture the glory days and get back to the old numbers but failing to do so yet for me it is pretty clear that the guy at this point just moved on from doing content and isnt really involved with it anymore. As Asmon mentioned last time he streamed half a year ago and within the last year he posted on youtube only 4 times. I dont know shit about Dream and I never watched his content but it seems that he grinded like crazy for a few years he managed to hit the perfect wave he made milions from that and is set for life and now he is done with it and moved on to other things in his life. I honestly feel like SunnyV is so obsessed with grinding youtube and getting the most views possible that he cant compute how anyone would ever willingly just quit grinding youtube 24/7 to maybe live their life instead or focus on other ventures. For SunnyV the only explanation why anyone might have fallen off is either because they did something bad and are a bad person or because they are a failure and just cant get the views anymore. He never considers that a dude with over 3bilions views just might not care anymore about getting views. SunnyV needs to chill the fck out. There is more to life than youtube clicks

@chanter3978

15 күн бұрын

I always find it funny when Sunny calls people out for being desperate for views when almost all of his videos are him embellishing things to make people seem worse than they actually are

I remember playing a lot of MC when I was in highschool and a lot of the youtubers I watched (In fact most) were grown men playing the game. Age has nothing to do with why these youtubers were watched. Good content was.

5:00 WRONG. Just because you feel that way, it doesn't mean that is the facts or whatever. Young people tend to look up ( maybe not to the really old, like over 50 or so ) since they want to be seen as 'grown ups' themselves. Common Asmond, this is basic societal behaviour/psychology. Like, whereever did you get that insane idea? Yeah, when they're on groups or looking for one, teens/kids do search for the same age people but that doesn't translate to the media they consume... But other than that, the advice he gives at the end is really good and something upcoming streamers/KZreadrs should keep in mind.

@sinep8008

15 күн бұрын

He's right that it's easier for kids to relate with one another. But he's wrong that kids want to watch other kids. Kids are very simple when it comes to consuming content. If it makes them laugh, they will most likely watch it regardless if it's a 25 to 30-year-old making that content.

@Yayeet860

15 күн бұрын

He’s absolutely correct by the way lol

@ALookInto587

15 күн бұрын

Well it isn’t particularly wrong, though it obviously does not apply to everyone. But most kids do want to see „themselves“ in these scenarios of doing something cool. That is a fact for most kids. It is also a fact though that most kids would also want to imagine being a strong young man/ woman, but that is not them trying to „relate“, but something they then „aspire“ to be. For example,o ver here in Germany, one of the first KZreadrs any of us ever watched 12 years ago was Gronkh who was already in his fourties at the time (I think). Which many people still consider their role model. So while it of course doesn’t apply to every single person, it is the common rule for kids, as it is the case for most of them. So no, he is not really wrong here and neither are you. It‘s just that both is the case, though you may have gotten „admiration“ and „relating“ mixed up here, which is understandable.

@michaelh878

14 күн бұрын

They watch slightly older creators who act just like kids.

Trying to claim that every social interaction has a power dynamic, becomes tantamount to saying all interactions are transactional in nature, which is a horrible way to live.

The point about kids watching people their age is ludicrous when the Paul brothers had super young children audiences when they were mid 20s almost 30 now. When i was a kid my favorite KZreadr was Pewdiepie who is 10 years older than me. There is a huge difference between gray hair and an adult. Like having such a hardcore stance telling people to shut the fuck up and they are delusional is the issue. Broadly I think what Asmon is saying is true but like most kids don't watch kids they watch young adults in their early 20s.

I don't think that Dream needs to worry about his career. He's probably so rich that he can retire.

As a girl I can never related to gamer guys with stripper names.

I don’t think it’s the face reveal. It’s the hype + the long stream before the face reveal + all of his friends who saw him made it seem like he looked like a Greek god.

Bro is so mad lately

LOL that stunlock in the beginning was funny af ngl

You know what could've been a 200 IQ play for "Dream" brand? While trying to regain anonymity, he should have gotten someone else to become a new Dream and slowly intergrate new content with them. Since everyone were already losing interest, he could fully remove himself from videos by the time people finaly notice change. And the "Not a real DREAM?!" would create new buzz.

@godzillaxd3336

15 күн бұрын

Marshmellow music artist did this now he is a icon

@Fadexpl

15 күн бұрын

It's ridiculous, "everyone were already losing interest" because he stopped producing content everyone was interested in, that's all there is to it. His speedrunner vs hunters series brought him popularity, he thought he could pivot but people really only wanted just more of that.

I don't know anyone when I was 16 that watch people that look their age. I remember us watching donkey and Smosh and game grumps who were all far older. Theres alot of instances where people watched older people then them. Plus kids want to watch adults so they can feel like they're cool and adults too.

@crafty4722

15 күн бұрын

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

Why is everyone in this comments section going on about how messed up the George situation was while simultaneously ignoring how so many more people falsely accused Dream of shit he didn't do??

hot take about parasocial relationships isn't a hot take - it's the correct take

It's kinda nice to see Asmon fly into a rage so quickly, because it's an acknowledgement of how skewed his perception of the world is, and he doesn't like it being challenged. Almost everyone around my age in high school watched Markiplier, jacksepticeye, PewDiePie, etc. All young adults to middle-aged men at the time, that were at least 5-8 years older than us. KZread and TV programs are an entirely different medium and if Asmon can't accept that, he's the one living in a daydream.

When asmon was naming off a list of face reveals that went wrong, i was thinking he was going to say kiss lmao.

@Diogo85

15 күн бұрын

Corpse Husband's face reveal didn't set well with some of his fans.

he should have done a Bane comeback "nobody cared until i put on the mask"

Minecraft golden era of streaming died with Technoblade, Dream popularity was tied to manhunt videos that already got old and his friendly rivalry with techno, MCC and DreamSMP was a thing because of him and as soon he retired because his condition and passed away it was downhill for everyone involved specially for Dream, his face reveal was just a last attempt for a career with RL stuff but he seems lost now.

The pop off at the start had me cackling ngl

"Dream said this: 'I'm glad that I did it'...clearly regretting his choice to take off the mask." - SunnyV2

Losers attract other losers is the most based thing ever said.

I didn’t know KZreadrs have expiration dates.

The power dynamic rant was epic

@Liza-lm8vq

15 күн бұрын

not at all.. he mentions a power dynamic between a police officer and a civilian and fails to realize that there is physical power involved as well. it's literally a power that you can wield to control someone against their will and that creates the fear and power dynamic automatically. a physical power difference between an average man vs a woman is huge and cannot be ignored.

Minecraft KZread is definitely not declining imo. I think that it’s been getting more popular, especially with SMPs like Hermitcraft. The only decline I can see is the pandemic era MCYT like Dream, but they were already on the decline a couple years ago.

captainspraklez is one of the only minecraft youtubers who are older that young and old still watch. hes one of the OG

I didn't know who Dream was until I saw jokes about him on Urban Rescue Ranch. I've seen the Daft Punk performers without their masks, and this is how I see it. You CAN put the mask back on after a face reveal. You may think you can't, but you can. It's not the same as the cat being out of the bag. It's like wearing a hard hat, or a badge; get to work, wear your hat, and get the job done. I'm not saying Zack is wrong here, everything he's saying isn't just valid, it's true with regard to Dream, because Dream didn't just face reveal, he threw it in the garbage, then got it out later after it had been soiled.

Asmon is dead wrong about Vtubers. Quite a few have shown their face and more and continue to be successful as long as they have an entertaining personality/character persona and remain consistent.

20:20 I argue with my wife about this all the time. "You never think you are wrong" "If you are not giving me any evidence that I am wrong, why tf would I think that I am?" That makes no f*ckin sense! Who walks around thinking they are wrong? I am opem to BE wrong, but no, I will never walk around thinking I am just inherently wrong. 😂

So completely true about people and their delusional idea of "power dynamics".

@Liza-lm8vq

15 күн бұрын

in what asmon said? not really he mentions a power dynamic between a police officer and a civilian and fails to realize that there is physical power involved as well. it's literally a power that you can wield to control someone against their will and that creates the fear and power dynamic automatically. a physical power difference between an average man vs a woman is huge and cannot be ignored.

@vknives

14 күн бұрын

​@@Liza-lm8vq lol. So exactly what he said, with this stupid idea every interaction is inherently predatory because two people are never perfectly equal. Insane.

@Liza-lm8vq

14 күн бұрын

@@vknives nobody said inherently predatory. you're inferring. putting words in my mouth.

glad he snapped on that reddit sperg

Him doing a face reveal wasn't the reason why he's fallen off. He's fallen off because his public perception is of cringe. People watched him before because he was just a regular dude having fun playing Minecraft and being good at it. Now, with his failed music career, people look at him and remember the time when he cried on stage in front of teenage girls. He could've saved his brand if he kept uploading new videos at a consistent pace--garnering favor with the KZread algorithm, but he didn't.

What they should have done with the George controversy would've been to state what happened, what they knew / didn't know and then shut up about it instead of giving all this liability and gasoline to the crazies.

Man Asmon went crazy on the dude who wrote its hard to be a fan of he’s not uploading. I also want more uploads from some KZreadrs I watch, doesn’t mean I have a relationship with them. It’s like if McDonald’s only started to open once a week, an expectation was set and if you don’t live up to it, deal with the backlash (or at least tell your fans how often should they expect to wait)

Who's Dream?? Never heard of her.

Something to note is that all his controversies and his friend’s controversies definitely did number on him psychologically. He can’t make good content if he’s not happy about making content and subsequently repeating the cycle of controversy after controversy.

03:43 I never stopped enjoying his Manhunt videos, he just started uploading them more and more infrequently. Maybe because of mental health, maybe because he is happy where he is and has enough money. Regardless, if I was his friend I wouldn't want him to live by the numbers, but by what makes him happy. If that means uploading 1 video every few months or every year, and he is financially sustainable in doing that, I would be all for it. As a fan I honestly feel the same way. I want people to be happy, not to be subservient to me. His content wouldn't make me happy if I knew it was motivated by his unhappiness, rather than his happiness, if that makes sense. Same thing for all other content that I like to engage with. 16 minutes in and I'm not getting the reason why we should hate him? He made a bad decision and regretted that, feeling insecure, which is totally relatable. He isn't a good singer but likes to sing regardless, that's most people who like Karaoke, also relatable. Why are we laughing about that, exactly? This is kinda making me second hand depressed, to be honest. If people have weaknesses and are feeling insecure, we should be respectful and understanding, not make fun of them and confront them with their faults every time we get the opportunity and in the most harmful and impactful way possible. SunnyV2 seems almost gleeful as he talks about the ruin of Dream's future career, why is that? I'm open to more facts later in the video about how Dream is some evil monster that we should hate and that deserves this treatment, so far I'm not convinced. Around 27 minutes Asmon is talking about the "attention seeking behavior". I'm assuming this is about the face un-reveal thing that happened. I get his logic here, why people would feel that's distasteful and inauthentic. Personally, I didn't interpret it as content-driven, but rather personally-driven. I'm not sure where but I noticed certain comments here and there talking about how Dream is ugly or fat. I didn't watch the initial face reveal because I wasnt really interested in that, but since I didn't come from a cynical but a more human place, I figured the un-reveal was motivated more by sadness and maybe disillusionment at the sort of feedback that he had gotten since that time. I don't follow any of Dream's other activity outside of KZread, so I have no idea how accurate that is. 34:40 Okay this kind of sucks. Maybe the content has dried up because stupid internet drama like this has driven Dream and his friends apart from one another? Goes to show the importance of principles. I think going back and forth like this is going to lose you a lot of the momentum that you need to continue through times like that. If you truly didn't do anything wrong, and you truly didn't see your friend do anything wrong, you should absolutely not apologize, or turn the backs on each other.

To disagree with Asmongold here, when I was younger the people I watch on KZread were never around my age. Especially during mid 2010s like VanossGaming, Pewdiepie, Markiplier, etc.

@DomCoreLeon

15 күн бұрын

In 2010 those people were like 18-22 years old at most so the age difference there is even more extreme unless you were an infant (if I'm being charitable) than a 20 year old watching asmon today. You went back 15 years for the most extreme/asinine example to dispute his argument and it's still wrong lol

@DomCoreLeon

15 күн бұрын

Also, we call that an exception, by the way. Just because one individual did one thing doesn't make the general application not true.

@basedmage9662

15 күн бұрын

@DomCorrLeon To bring a point up, most Minecraft KZreadrs have a younger demographic as their audience. This was especially true for Dream in this case.

Imagine if Minecraft actually did some revolutionary update in their game, like a new portal to different world, that would be great for new content and a new chapter for their game. But they are like "yeah, lets just put some new animals and some useless material, that would be fun!"

@connorrice6854

15 күн бұрын

You fail to understand, we don't need Mojang for new Minecraft features.

@zxx3762

15 күн бұрын

​@@connorrice6854 indeed

@Gundumb781

15 күн бұрын

why bother to innovate when people will still eat whatever slop you throw at them anyway

@tonypringles2285

15 күн бұрын

i guess that underground city doesnt count?

@Goston67

15 күн бұрын

​@@connorrice6854doesn't microsoft own minecraft now?

Nonsense. Dream stopped producing his most popular series, Speedrunner vs Hunters which every video has 50+M views. That's literally the only reason he's declining in popularity. Just because it coincided with his face reveal is irrelevant.

He doesn't need to be popular anymore. Why would he want to be more popular? He has already made millions, and he has gained enough followers to be able to maintain a lavish lifestyle for the rest of his life. Now he just has to enjoy what he does. He conquered the obstacle of wealth. All that's left is to go on a journey of self discovery, figure out that nothing means anything, and enjoy the rest of his life.

the "teens want to relate to other teens" is legit one of the worst takes I have ever heard. No we don't. I don't want to watch 16 year stream Minecraft. They suck at streaming. Have you also forgotten EVERY Minecraft youtuber, or even any gaming youtuber for that matter.

@crafty4722

15 күн бұрын

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

Asmongold is wrong about the whole relatable 14 year old and shit because if that was the thing pewdiepie wouldnt have been so popular at all, especially during his minecraft days and he started minecraft before it even was popular, also did he forget markiplier? Is he stupid?

@crafty4722

15 күн бұрын

I’m 15 and I hate young content creators, I watch asmongold the most, he’s my favorite streamer

@michaelh878

14 күн бұрын

You give 2 examples of content creators who looked like and acted like teenagers for their teenage audience. Well done on proving his point.

Asmongold just ignorant of the fact the most popular minecraft youtubers when we were kids werr yogscast, dantdm, sky, etc, who were not at all as young as us

Back in school i was watching DSP (don't judge me, i was stupid), Swifty, Athene and Simon and Lewis from Yogscast. All of them were much older than me.

The vast majority of gaming youtubers that are most popular for kids are in their late 20's or early 30's.

"No one care until i put on the mask" -Project Melody

Asmon's dead wrong about kids relating to content with people their own age. Best example: Justing, the Blue Turbo Power Rangers was famously hated by kids BECAUSE he was their age

A child might not be able to relate with an Adult but an adult can forsure relate with a kid because go figure we were all kids at one point.

A content creator's audience mirrors them. Everything that's happened to Dream and his friends is completely self-inflicted.

it's incredible how asmon can believe a theory he comes up with just because it's plausible.

For me it was the death of Technoblade that pushed me away from their community. Its hard to think about it without wanting to cry honestly. I really loved how that guys videos made me feel. I miss him terribly.

The "Normal pill's" meme is still one of my most favorite

We love bald man.

everything i have ever learnt about dream has been against my will.

Looking at current events such as this that causes arguments and debates, makes me envy the half that Thanos snapped away.

Seeing all the dream stuff honestly feels like one of those old cautionary tales from the middle ages, scaring kids not to stay up too late.

Being able to relate to a content creator because of their age and being able to enjoy content doesn't have nearly as big of a relation as asmongold thinks it does. Rarely any of the content creators i watched as a teen were also teens themselves granted there was a much higher barrier to making content back in 2009 but 90% of the people i watched were much older than me. Now that im 27 its a mxed bag of weather I watched people in my age range.

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Love how he says he is not sorry for GeorgeNotFound saying if George friend had the issue he would take the girls side, but Asmon actually did the same with Rich even though it was hear say.

I would say. If Dream continue his speedrunner vs players series, I would continue watch him coz I think most people would watch his gameplay more.

Face reveals are so damn cringe to begin with. But when you look as goofy as him I can see how everyone stopped watching lmao...

@vocalcalibration8033

15 күн бұрын

Didn't help we decided to hold his face at a jaunty angle to... I dunno', excentuate his jawline? Look like the troll face? I dunno', but he did it in just the weirdest way he could.

@tommy0con2

15 күн бұрын

it was a phase in a good chunk of youtube. I think it started when horror content started taking off and people who had facecams where you could see there reactions did much better than the rest so it became the meta. that then spread to other genres

@chanter3978

15 күн бұрын

@@vocalcalibration8033 the reason he did that is because it was the first time in his life he ever had a jawline lmao. He was fat as a kid and the reason that the face reveal took so long was because he was losing all the weight.

no one knew what dream looked like though Asmon so....

@autman

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, so they filled in that gap and imagined him as someone their own age.

Bro if there was someone with white hair that had an actual good content and personality I would 100% watch him as a kid So I dont think thats the main thing I think it was more about the type of content that related to what they wanted to watch

There's not much I enjoy more than Asmon getting irrationally mad over the things he reads online. I often find myself feeling the same way when reading comments like that reddit post.

"I'm not gonna provide any more examples" while he literally didn't present any to begin with

@LomanLawson

15 күн бұрын

people who need examples for what he was talking about will 1. not take those examples and 2. are dumb until they get more life experience