All these years later, and we're still snap-bolting. We miss you, OG Innistrad.

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

Make Snapcaster Great Again

@xSnarfsx

Ай бұрын

I would kill to have some dark ascension or innistrad drafts on arena. loved that format

Watching Seth Blood Moon the Omnath evoke elemental deck into a scoop is one of the most satisfying things, like a shot of dopamine directly into the brain. The epitome of what blood moon is supposed to be for, and why it's my favorite card in all of magic.

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

I love watching greedy decks insta-scoop to blood moon...I love even more watching them play a couple turns as it dawns on them it's over.

@BludMun

Ай бұрын

i agree and approve

The other nice thing about Tamiyo, even if you don't flip her, she still shuts down turn 1 Ragavan.

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

True. Requires the opp to have fatal push or bolt. Unholy Heat probably won't kill her yet(although would after blocking the ragavan)

@wurgel1

Ай бұрын

@@mattm7798 and all you need to protect her is a brainstorm and 1 blue mana. She flips in other players turns as well.

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

@@wurgel1 true, so spell pierce is back in the main deck :) That said, in modern, it's much hard(impossible) to find a 1 mana modern legal spell that allows you to leave up 1 mana. If she does succeed in modern, it will be the ragavan effect...if you have interaction, you keep playing, if not, tamyiyo spirals into a win con so fast. I would say just run izzet with both monkey and tamiyo and use izzet charm to flip her or protect her :)

That is why you should not concede that early in the game. The game where he did not concede because "you should not concede in early access" he won

@PaperySloth

Ай бұрын

Even if you win 1 out of 10 of those games, id rather scoop early to the 9 i lose and enjoy myself instead of grinding through those losses for that one win

@jaysonking4055

Ай бұрын

​@PaperySloth I agree, personally i think the only reason to concede is it increases the fun I have Ive definitely scooped in games i was necessarily losing but it just felt awful to play

@R1138

Ай бұрын

Yup - if you’re just playing for fun, scoop if you’re not having fun! If you’re grinding, behooves one to play it out.

@jrjamesson

Ай бұрын

@@PaperySloth but when you're playing for content and you know (or should know) you have definite outs and you know your audience will be frustrated by seeing you scoop with outs, it's a great idea to not concede. And here it turned out even better!

@calebfaltinowski7473

Ай бұрын

I think many people don't understand when to concede. Far to many stay in games they have no outs for

Fun drinking game for an Against the Odds episode: take a shot every time Seth says "this deck actually might be busted"

@deadded5793

Ай бұрын

My liver would die

@orphelius1669

Ай бұрын

I don't have enough alcohol for that

I built a tamiyo moon deck yesterday. Get out of my head, Seth.

@BM-on4bu

Ай бұрын

Did you also eat 7 full fried chickens covered in gravy and donut glaze like diabetarmonicon?

@Applesauce_Magician

Ай бұрын

​@@BM-on4buwhat

@toast_recon

Ай бұрын

@@BM-on4bu I don't eat meat, but I was going to eat exactly that before I realized there was meat in fried chicken! Uncanny 🤔

lmao, Seth rubbing it in against the Omnath deck

I built a dimir shell with frog, pitching 20 cards to a little frog is my favorite way to win to date

@ScornfulEg0tist

Ай бұрын

Tbh tamiyo seems great with frogs

@Cloudy573

Ай бұрын

I've been playing frog decks in both modern and timeless, it's super fun

@GratitudeHealth8888

23 күн бұрын

​@Cloudy573 I really wanna make a frog tokens deck but I don't see many frog cards

Couldn’t you play black and just utilize deadly dispute? Tamiyo only specifies drawing 3 cards in a turn (including the one from draw step) and tamiyo attacks to create the clue that you can sacrifice to DD anyways. On top of that having a treasure to hold up a fatal push, or other interaction possibly. Making it even more boring you can play Sheoldred and Bowmasters and still keep the blue moon effect.

@TheEvolver311

Ай бұрын

Going into Black might be correct because WotC have pushed black beyond every other color

@grubgobbler3917

Ай бұрын

Would also work with Faithless Looting, is that on arena yet?

@hamish2509

Ай бұрын

Faithless Looting is on arena, from the strixhaven mystical archive bonus sheet

@simionion9998

Ай бұрын

​@@hamish2509And just from shadows over innistrad

@strangelaw6384

Ай бұрын

@@hamish2509 not just there. Faithless Looting was later released as a common in Innistrad remastered.

I agree with Seth on blood moon. God I wish it was available for historic.

"Tamiyo might be busted..." He says after casting 3 copies of Mana Drain lmao

@epothos1

Ай бұрын

Ok change it to Counterspell what really changes on his following turn

@DGDevastation

Ай бұрын

@epothos1 I'm just saying, his statement, While hilarious, is incorrect. You can't necessarily judge a cards worth when you have to have half of your other cards dedicated to protecting it. Also, as he stated later in the video, the deck is incredibly poor at closing the game, which is bad deck design

@deutscher1a

Ай бұрын

@@DGDevastation if you can draw your deck after a few turns with a blue no hand size limit - it is busted Blue control can profit a lot from it Blue white control can profit a lot from it And thats the point: Its good for exactly this You have less troubles with aggro cause of +1 ability, you get your control heaven hand Every busted card is only busted in its context

@Uefeti

Ай бұрын

@@DGDevastation No it’s not bad deck design. Several best control decks in history of magic were either winconless or had the similar flaw. Take Lantern control for example

@chubzoid

Ай бұрын

​@@deutscher1aexactly right. Mana drain is very average in this deck. Tamiyo seems great in this format, and the "busted card" that makes this work really is brainstorm.

Great video and deck idea Seth! Loved it

Great content Seth. I couldn't look away once. Reminds me of modern snap bolt days.

the blood moon conversation at the end is so freaking needed lol

Gotta love the Blood Moon

need a chandra TOD to finish the game faster. 2 copies... should find it with tamyo ult.

I love the outcome of that last match! 😂

the thing w tamiyo is, she's a 1 mana planeswalker that can flip super easily, has a +2 so effectively 5 starting health which is insane for a cheap planeswalker, and that +2 also protects her from multiple sources of damage. she was def designed to ultimate it feels like

I loved how you acted when you blood mooned the omnath deck. Hahaha

Feels good man

Yeah Tamiyo very powerful. Yesterday had a long and interactive Modern game where I was playing Grixis Phoenix using Buried alive, and I was playing against Mono Black Coffers. Game was very interactive but Tamiyo generated like 5 Clues and then flipped, and even though it cost me 3 Shredders I got to the ultimate and then you know, the super close game became an easy w. All in all not bad for a 1 mana card to draw 5 and later draw 16

Seth. The bands you mention throughout. 🔥 🔥 and just saying grindcore is hilarious

There actually is a card with dredge now, the necrobloom gives lands in your graveyard dredge 2

Would it be beneficial to add 1 copy of wren and 7 to dump all the lands you draw?

Love the moon deck with my favorite moonfolk 🥲

Crabcore Troll of Kazad-Dûm with the bass guitar going wild

Liked the video for Seth's Evoke Elementals meming

3:31 this far in, hope it works well since Timless feels so stale it needs more decks to break into the T1

Is there a cool top-end card we could play as a one-of just to use some Mana Drain mana? Not like you need something to make Mana Drain better, but it might help if you've drawn half your deck and need a way to close out the game.

@zackestin1368

Ай бұрын

Most blood moon decks are either way more aggressive with ragavan and DRC, Delver etc, or they play a sneak attack shell, playing neither is definitely an early access deck made by somebody who doesn’t play the archetype thing (also lorien revealed/treasure cruise is great for mana drain mana, not having either is a crime in 2024)

You dont really need brainstorm to flip her. In historic you can do it turn 2 with sign in blood/chart a course/faithless looting and your drawstep

@mattm7798

Ай бұрын

Exactly. If Tamiyo need 3 extra cards to flip, then yes, but it's just 3, so it's 2 cards and there are a ton of 2 mana draw 2.

Seth riffing on Psychic Frog for the entire match was hilarious.

Add Dreamtide whale so that it would synergize with the brainstorm and tamiyo?

Seth at 43:26 made me lol so hard in the middle of the gym 😂

Hear me out hear me out, turbo fog. +2 is a mini fog, -3 recurs a fog, -7 is a wincon that can be easily achieved through protecting it with fogs. Also if you use a teferi’s tutelage version turning your card draw into mill all of the brainstorms and other effects become much better and the -7 becomes an instant win without extra trouble. Plus things like the one ring act as fog, card draw, mill, and Tamio flipper. Plus you could add in the six and one ring loop as an extra wincon

Tamiyo seems, among a few notable others, the perfect epitome of MH3. It's specifically strong in the control shell instead of broadly good and I appreciate that

Is timeless or historic closer to modern? I know neither are really but I’m just curious what has the bigger and more fun card pool

Hey Seth, what about adding the new Ral to the decklist?

"Not supposed to scoop early" felt like 75% of your opponents scooped in this video lmao

The necrobloom has dredge on it and it's from mh3

I knew I very polarity was going to be good as soon as I saw it.

Silly question: Mox Amber seems to be the only permanent fast mana available in Timeless. What about playing that because you can turn 1 Island, Tamiyo, Mox, Brainstorm and have it as a Planeswalker on turn 1? Is it worth it?

Seth, have you worked with Case of Pilfered Proof the and Ulvenwald Mysteries before? Crack a clue, get a 1/1 human creature token, when the token etbs, you get a clue? Combo requirements are heavy, but it's not the infinite combo itself that's fun, it's the clues you crack along the way. Case of the PP combo makes for a funny, if immature, name as well. Combo requirements: Case of the pilfered proof needs to be in play and online (so 3x assorted detectives in play at some point prior.) Ulvenwald mysteries must be in play. At this point the combo is functional, but not infinite. Add in a way to infinitely sac artifacts for free to finish the combo. Recommend tamyo's journal to help find combo pieces. I'd send my decklist, but frankly you'd probably replace 90% of it anyway since I'm pretty casual.

For a finisher I would suggest something like Glint-Horn Buccaneer plus Bomat Courier.

Tamiyo and Kappa won me several games in a draft, even though I rare-drafted. That combo by itself is nasty enough it gets busted if allowed to linger.

Tamiyo having a +2 instead of a +1 and giving -1 to your opponent's attackers every turn until she ultimates seems pretty freakin solid. Not Oko but still blue green good stuff and in this case you only need UR or UU or maybe a couple extra mana to make her a planeswalker turn 2. We've already seen how dangerous cards that cost 1GU have been lately. This is on par.

What are the best budget ways to draw half your deck?

Your punishing rant earned a like

Seth popped off that last game

This week we got a Drawfee episode called "Opening Magic Packs [...]" and an MTGGoldfish episode titled "Drawing [...]"

Does Duelist of the Mind do anything for this deck?

Seth wondering what dredge gets from mh3 like buried alive wasn't reprinted.

is it correct to have mana drain with no mana sinks?

I want to brew with her in blue white control in modern. With the new magus of the seas lol.

Did that earlier today in limited.

This almost feels like teaching arena about bloodmoon episode 2

31:22 that's kinda how i've been feeling when trying to run a mostly black grief list. i thoughtseize and i inquisition of kozilek and i grief and i reanmiate, then i have no cards in hand and have dealt 10 life to myself. then grief dies, and i die too. i'm sure there's a list somewhere seeing as rakdos scam was the best deck in modern, but i haven't made it work yet for timeless (though being bad at deckbuilding and never having played timeless before might have something to do with it)

I had never seen a psychic frog before. That card is fucking adorable. Some rise. Some fall. Some crawl. To get to psychic frog. Shit, now I have the dead in my head. Wait, were you also humming Terrapin?

How about a set of Lotus Paddles? You could flip her on the first turn and could easily produce Red mana after Bloodmoon

Didn't think I'd hear a King Gizz reference in a MTGA video

Totally nock mocking the Omnath player with that Blood Moon speech. Totally fine.

I've heard people calling Harbinger of the Seas, Flood Moon. Sounded cute.

Yep Tamiyo is actually busted. Being able to get it down turn 1 and block Ragavan, or swing for clues, or attempt to flip it turn 2 either way its doing awesome stuff and I'd be very surprised if she didn't become a modern and legacy staple

Seth, do you think this can work in Modern, where we don’t have brainstorm?

@zackestin1368

Ай бұрын

Some people are trying it with chart a course, but it’s definitely harder to do, especially at instant speed.

So this is a weird question for the nerds in the comments Why the heck does Tamiyo's backside have a dual-color border? She is still simply Blue from the front-side cost right? Since she has no text saying she's now Blue-Green, nor an alternative backside cost, she just has her -3 interact with Green

Doesn't tamiyo trigger on a 'draw two' spell and not draw three? You draw one at the start of your turn right? Am I missing something here? Why does it have to be brainstorm? Does the draw at the start of the turn not count?

31:06 "Steal This Album" by System of a Down

@devinneese1491

Ай бұрын

Beat me to it

There are two cards I associate with Seth moth than any other card - blood moon and siege rhino.

Wouldn't treasure cruise be better than brain surge?

@TheEvolver311

Ай бұрын

Dodging gy hate? With Scam and just reanimation running wild on the meta

@joelhatterini6392

Ай бұрын

Not if you're trying to flip by turn 3. Treasure Cruise is much better in graveyard focused decks or for the late game. If you do the math, assuming optimal grave filling, you fetch land + 1 mana spell turn 1 (2), fetch land + two 1 mana spells turn 2 (5), fetch land + 1 mana spell (7) + Tamiyo + cruise turn 3. Too many things need to go right to pull that off. Edit: just remembered DRC, but that doesn't help the math much. Turn 1 fetch + DRC (1), turn 2 fetch + two 1 mana spells + 2 DRC bins (6), turn 3 fetch land + one mana spell + DRC bin (9) + Tamiyo + Cruise. So it gives you a grand buffer of 2 whole cards by turn 3.

@jonathanholleman5900

Ай бұрын

@@joelhatterini6392 that's fair. Good point

@jasehearst1498

Ай бұрын

I do think faithless looting would be way better though, the difference between 1 and 3 means you can flip tamiyo on T2 if you draw it or flip tamiyo + leave up counter later

I can't be the only one who is still annoyed that Lightning Bolt still has the fire sfx and vfx as opposed to the lightning ones. I don't even play a format it's legal in but it still gets me when I watch content with it.

Boseiju who shelters all + Toil//trouble in the sideboard I guess (best I got)

Grixis with the frogatog might be the way to go

Tamiyo in brainstorm format seems pretty nuts. Also note Tamiyo only needs to draw 3 total cards in a turn so 1 and 2 mana draw two effects also flip her turn 2(things like chart a course, izzet charm, and tempest heart)

Could this also be turbo fog? 😅

Tamiyo says third card, so anything that draws 2 cards will also flip tamiyo if you started the turn with her in play. Theres a boatload of cards that draw 2 like Faithless.

You think I should put a couple copies of Tamiyo in my DanDan deck? Would it be too good?

That was a pure Blood Moon Scoop win, wasn’t it? I don’t think he had basic lands…

I'm with Seth 100% when it comes to Blood Moon. Domain and land based decks can be a very oppressive and hard to interact with deck because a lot of it's power comes from it's mana base and it's lands. Players have gotten too comfy running optimized mana bases and basic checking is a valid strategy. Every deck has a weakness, and domain/lands is blood moon. Blood moon is not an unbeatable card by any stretch.

You were looking for a discover card to play with beanstalks, etalis favor. If etalis favor and beanstalk are the only cards mana value two or less in the deck, then the first cast etalis favor plays at least one beanstalk. Bonus if there are still more etalis favor in the deck. But if you hit an etalies favor, you cast that and start over untill you get beanstalks.

@Matthill121

Ай бұрын

but then you have to play bad cards to make creatures to put it on

@jacobbrj

Ай бұрын

@@Matthill121 i mean, shardless agent is a bad card (except fire the cascade), but made it in the banned beans deck

@Matthill121

Ай бұрын

@@jacobbrj I more mean cards that are CMC 4 or higher that can make a creature to target by t3

@jacobbrj

Ай бұрын

Can't you target an oppenent's creature with etali's favor? Not like it is backbreaking to give +1/+1 as a cost to discover into beans? Lol. I think it is worth a try even though i see your point

@Matthill121

Ай бұрын

@@jacobbrj if the idea is that you can hit multiple favors to guarantee you'll eventually get beans, that would mean it would be occasionally +4/+4 to an opponents creature to draw a card

side note on game 1, even if your opponent had Cavern of Souls you can still mana drain the spell and get mana from mana drain.

@SaintSoba

Ай бұрын

Good note. I didn't think about that interaction

@ninjadrummer2395

Ай бұрын

@@SaintSoba have gotten a couple of ppl with that interaction if they make their spell un-counterable with veil of summer or similar effect

Nothing more Seth than drawing half your deck

I’m surprised anyone else knows The Flaming Lips. Seems like they were mostly popular in Oklahoma.

10:50 everytime a new set comes out graveyard strats reenter the meta, because people cut the random graveyard hate for new stuff, because they haven't seen any graveyard decks in a bit anyway, but those who know are ready and dust off their old decks to remind people why you need graveyard hate.

I feel like Chart a Course might be better than Brainsurge in some ways. 2 mana and flips tamiyo

You can do what to Tamiyo to get a spell back 👀

havent they learned that using leyline of the guildpact is fantastic way to get domain turn 1?

Buried Alive seems rad in Dredge.

The new flair is stupid in dredge. Is a free counterspell. Just a literal free cause you just get your creature back anyway.

Sawtooth grin 🤘🤘

It's kind of wild how swingy Invert Polarity is.

Was expecting the "And Seth beat me silly with blood moon in early access..." to be in this, mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :p

I think if I had to play this on arena, I'd be searching for the "Planeswalkers don't talk" button in settings...

If you play Mox Amber then you could play Tamiyo and Brainstorm on turn 1 rather then wait untill turn 2.

t1 tamiyo t2 winged words is enough to flip tamiyo can be done in modern

22:33, we have found out finisher lol

If I had a nickel for every time a Planeswalker’s Ultimate gave you an Emblem that only said “You have no maximum hand size” on it, I’d have 3 nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened again!

Should have added emurcule in the deck and called it imprisoned in the moon lol

Tamiyo!!!!

I am making a pheldagryph deck could you make a 1/1 hippo token please on your website

You don’t even need brainstorm tamiyo flips from chart a course just fyi; T1 land, Tamiyo, T2 land, attack with Tamiyo (you don’t have to) Chart a Course. Flip Tamiyo

Will seth finally realize why you shouldn't salty scoop