Imagine creating 12 new universes ans never explorating them

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

And placing all their strongest fighters in one tournament so it would be pointless for Goku to go to their universes.

@joshgroban5291

3 жыл бұрын

Plague of gripes made a great video talking about this

@joshgroban5291

3 жыл бұрын

@@PanPickle095 >12 universes >12 hypothetical infinite possibilities Toriyama: let's immediately limit the universes and make the strongest fighters fight so no one has interest in these universes outside of these characters

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshgroban5291 That's Toriyama for ya.

@ChasehaWing

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine creating 12 new universes and them ALL using the exact same ki system!

I don't even know why they introduced the back tingly concept for super saiyan. Super saiyan was ALWAYS about the inner anger and frustration that a saiyan felt. The aura was a bright yellow kinda like a flame and the gold hair represented the ascension that the saiyan went through. I can't believe they spat on probably the most iconic form of dragon ball.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@wesxd5292

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr Idk why the show made Cabba explain to the girls about the thing on the back WHILE Vegeta explained to Cabba previously that it comes from anger

@notisttt1240

3 жыл бұрын

You know, if they had written the tournament of power in a way that they had 3-4 months to prepare(I give her 3-4 months cuz she's super strong in base, so it's ok if it's 3-4 months only,even if she's not a martial arts master like goku) then they could have cabba try to enrage caulifla, it fails as quickly as it did in the actual show, then explain to her that she has to concentrate ki on her back in a very specific way. Caulifla sits down in a meditating potision and concentrates ki on her back for like, a month, like fricking budda(so the authors could empathize on the Buddhism reference they made with the ki in the back thing), thus being the first known saiyan to unlock ssj with meditation alone(which would be because she's a genius and all) and the rest of the months training to master ssj and unlock ssj2(since she's already super strong and is a genius, it kinda makes sense). I would love that. There were MANY plot points in super were I thought "wow this is such a cool idea that is done very horribly". Trust me, many times. It's like they found gold and smeared it in crap.

@thejuicyjedijester4901

3 жыл бұрын

If anything i thought the back tingles was a fine way to explain how to regularly transform...after a saiyan had already unlocked the form. But caulifla didn't have it unlocked yet so it feels like an ass pull. Especially since we were told that universe's saiyans are naturally way stronger than universe 7's. It pisses me off the manga skips over this like that's a better alternative. Super has a major problem with asspulling characters powers for no reason. Why can't characters train under harsh conditions off screen for a while? Goku and vegeta get fair treatment in that regard but even then the writers fuck it up because tien, buu, goten, trunks, piccolo etc get shit on while trunks, 17, frieza and broly get major ass pulls.

@ThunderNecros

3 жыл бұрын

They wanted to add a shortcut to the form to make more toys faster.

The worst thing they did to Picollo is the fact that they made him a freaking narrator! Everything that happens picollo has to tell us exactly what happened. “He’s changed, he’s dropped from his god form to a mere super saiyan, yes, thank you for the information we JUST SAW

@cyberdemon6517

Жыл бұрын

im glad piccolos a narrator now especially with shin in the top being reduced to asking what happened

@your1hero

Жыл бұрын

Well I hate how in the movie shenron gave Piccolo a new transformation on top of his first new form(which he actually earned through training) like what. I think it was said in DBZ only porunga can make those kinds of wishes. Also Gohans form was made by other creators (I know that ssj original design was basically Beast Gohan)but it was never put on screen until El Blanco was a thing and AF expanded Gohans form with ssj6(I know Akira Toriyama approved and the creator is now making Super) Hell Granolah arc is just baby arc but not an evil Saiyan, and Morro arc is cell saga. The whole super series is a big what if mainly TOP. BOG was the only movie and arc I liked, Frieza coming back was cool, but Vegeta should have won. Hit was the only thing I liked in U6 arc and I guess there being more Saiyan's including female. Goku black should have been Gohan Black(both series and manga are good) Frieza should have been with cell for TOP and replace Tien. Broly is just an amalgamation of DBZ Broly and Fusion Reborn.Side Note: ssj god should have been Goku's limit until UI ssj Blue just felt like a waste of a form, but kaioken blue was dope, but not as dope as ssj God UI. Goku's avatar form is just a susanoo from Naruto.

@RDA000

11 ай бұрын

Well for that monent picollo was telling everyone else what happened since he has enhanced senses

@rup7591

11 ай бұрын

Super is shit but as a 29 years old who is not into anime anymore I would still defend Orange piccolo. It’s his dragon and it was a form that Piccolo probably could have reached later on but Shenron threw him a little extra. Also we needed a new Namekian form as it has lately been all about freaking Saiyans.

@douglasmcquaid5343

11 ай бұрын

Actually, it's a very common anime trope. Hard to actually criticize.

The fact that Goten and Trunks look exactly like they did in Buu Saga if not younger is actually REALLY insulting. To give you a comparison, Kid Trunks is at the same age as Future Trunks when Future Gohan died. Please, just take a moment to compare Young Future Trunks from the Future Trunks Special with Super's Kid Trunks. It's ridiculous.

@tastefullys

Жыл бұрын

GT did Trunks and Goten’s age/design much better than Super

@adeleinetheartist8267

Жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball Super should be non-canon.

@genesismultiverse4896

11 ай бұрын

And super retconed how saiyans grow

@Chance57

9 ай бұрын

@@genesismultiverse4896 "it's ridiculous"

@genesismultiverse4896

9 ай бұрын

@@Chance57 and the reason is they were lazy

You forgot that Piccolo died in the Frieza resurrection saga and they revived him off camera as if he was worth nothing

@DCBiscuit

Жыл бұрын

Exactly; he forgot. Just like Toei.

@Jane-oz7pp

Жыл бұрын

@@DCBiscuit Just like Toriyama you mean. The joke is that Toriyama just kinda forgot a lot of things along the way, such as the entire character of Launch.

@Monke-Mongral-CEO

Жыл бұрын

@@Jane-oz7pp dude toriyama didn’t even make supers plot it was his brother that wanted to toriyama just made the manga as he didn’t care that much for the anime

@kyuubey4624

Жыл бұрын

@@Monke-Mongral-CEO he does make the plot he just doesnt write the arcs. he gives a general idea of what happens but thats it.

@utubefuku7132

Жыл бұрын

Damn this shitstorm was so bad that I didnt even remembered it. Most of this crap have already faded from my memory

My biggest problem with super is how they changed Goku. I understand that Goku is no Superman but it's not like that he only fights for the sake of fighting. In Dragon Ball Z, he had his loved ones in mind while training. Goku's perspective on life changed after training with Kami. From there on, he would only kill if it's the last resort. It's not just that he wants new training partners. I really loved how you saw Goku growing up as a naive boy living in the woods growing into a seasoned martial arts fighter

@kurokun5810

2 жыл бұрын

He didn’t change he grew emotionally. After defeating buy he started to realize what he wanted and that was a pupil.

@olofacosta3192

2 жыл бұрын

@@kurokun5810 well then what the hell is he doing in super? All he's doing is trying to get stronger than Beerus what character development 😒

@kurokun5810

2 жыл бұрын

@@olofacosta3192 his emotional growth is league ahead of what he was in z. The god form is somewhat symbolic of thisgrowth. He no longer gains power through rage but control. In super He doesn’t react only physically with his opponents but emotionally and philosophically as well. The blue form and ui compliment this.. He knows buu has been reincarnated somewhere so his true arch is being a teacher one day.

@missxmarvel

2 жыл бұрын

When Goku comes you would be cheering because it’s going to be all right but in Super he lost that heroic vibe.

@thelastsnake6653

2 жыл бұрын

Super ruined every character except 17. He was so awesome I wanted super to stop being dogshit so I could watch it without dying

I really wish Goku Black as an alternate version of Goku who never hit his head rather than some higher deity taking over his body

@myaparker5510

5 ай бұрын

That would've been better. I'm sure people thought that's what it was until that other guy came.

@PanPickle095

Ай бұрын

I had enough of evil Gokus

@user-ww7vt8se1m

18 күн бұрын

Honestly I feel like alot of us were thinking that back then an it really would’ve shown goku how messed up he would’ve been if he never hit his head as a baby

@123misou

3 күн бұрын

But if that was the case they would have been forced to make him not come from future Trunks's timeline because remember that the Goku from that timeline died due to the virus

They all called me crazy when I said I’d rather watch gt over super, and that’s not me saying gt is good 😭

@shaochiavang

3 ай бұрын

BS dude..super deserves way more credit than that. UI in EP 109-110 can be considered top 10 dragon ball moments of all time. The Goku black arc, the new characters introduced..you obviously did not watch it

@Jose-st3fq

3 ай бұрын

@@shaochiavang actually I did, I’ve watched the whole show and ultra instinct is just another shell to sell toys like every other transformation in super (blue, trunks ss rage, rose, and instinct)

@shaochiavang

3 ай бұрын

@@Jose-st3fq if you watch the entire DBS series then how can you say it was better. That's insane. GT had their moments but in no way had the story arc that the Goku black or TOP had. On top of that DBS introduced new well written characters such as beerus, whis, jiren and the gods of the other universe which has not even been explored yet. Dbs wasn't this great show but it wassnt as bad as you make it to be. EP 109-110 broke the site cuz so much people were trying to stream it. Many things in DBS can also be considered top moments in the dragon ball world also and that's a long list to beat out spots for.

@Jose-st3fq

3 ай бұрын

@@shaochiavang doesn’t mean I’m a gt super fan but you’ll get on ur knees to pleasure Toei for making a cash grab show that’s a disgrace to the og dragon ball and dragon ball z run

@shaochiavang

3 ай бұрын

@@Jose-st3fq no one's comparing it to those except you. And gt was the Ultimate cash grab bro

I loved the idea of how Toppo thought Goku was a villain because it was his idea of starting the tournament of power which put the safety of all the universes in jeopardy, just to fill Goku’s love of fighting. That was an intriguing concept they could’ve explored, how Goku’s hubris is putting innocents in danger, but they threw it away by saying “actually Zeno was going to destroy them anyway so Goku really saved the universes by giving everyone a fighting chance.” I thought that was a cheap scapegoat.

@jjmaster0113pro

2 жыл бұрын

Facts it was dumb

@ShrimpRice

2 жыл бұрын

I'm ngl i can't remember much, but i thought xeno was gonna destroy alot of the universes and TOP idea from goku. kinda preserved them, thou i could be off the mark because its been a long while

@valydendor4472

2 жыл бұрын

Unless I'm just misremembering something, I find it stupid that Goku was scolded for just suggesting a tournament and then it was decided, "We kill the losers!"

@marksman8283

Жыл бұрын

​@@valydendor4472 xeno had already intended to just erase the universes included in TOP but yeah it felt kinda stupid imo that they would destroy them for not being strong enough

@mrphauker

Жыл бұрын

Definitely was a cheap a scapegoat and such bullshit, it’s like the writers were like “wait the fans are right that’s bad for Gokus character so let’s just say this instead” so lazy and shit writing.

Imagine if staying calm to keep the blue/UI form was an actual challenge. And if they got too riled up, they'd lose the form until they calmed back down. The enemy might goad them and attack their friends. And you could have some internal struggles with them suppressing the rage they usually use to power up during fights. It might have actually felt like a unique thing rather than a generic power up.

@ismaielcummings2525

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. That’s never portrayed correctly in the show! It would be so interesting to see them accidentally fall out of the form if they can maintain their emotions or remain focused while in a fight.

@HeroTheHedgehog999

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they could use the form when raging but they wouldn’t be able to contain it nor use it at it’s fullest. The calm and tranquil will allow Goku and Vegeta to use SSB to it’s fullest.

@EdmacZ

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. I remember back when the writers gave actual weaknesses to their power ups beyond "Muh stamina".

@PosthumanHeresy

Жыл бұрын

It would also be an incredibly interesting twist on the original concept with Super Saiyan 1 and 2. Goku at first became far more violent and brutal when he transformed, and Gohan was even more extreme turning downright sadistic. Completely twisting that and having a form which works on the exact opposite rules would be really unique. It could also lead to good character stuff. You'd assume Vegeta would be worse at this for obvious reasons, but he spent 20 years with his empire dead and as a lackey to Frieza. He's got more control over himself than anyone else, or else he'd be dead. The lack of self-control is a response to the constant need for controlling himself, he just can't keep the mask on 24/7. Goku has no self-control at all. It would be really neat for Vegeta to actually be better with the best form because controlling empathy and compassion is his strong suit.

@josiahdemelash8885

Жыл бұрын

Didn't they do this in the manga? When Merus got erased because he used all his angle powers, goku was trying to stay calm to actually achieve MUI?

Goku's arc was always having an enemy more powerful and dangerous than he could be expected to face, gaining a mentor that can help him best his enemy, then besting more enemies until he completely outgrew his old mentor and needed a new one. But by the Buu saga, he had already pretty much outgrown every mentor in the universe and the afterlife, beaten a nigh invincible intergalactic threat and made even his most devoted rival acknowledge his superiority. This leaves only two options for the character. One is basically what Toriyama wanted for him. Namely, to retire Goku from fighting and turn him into a mentor. With neither new teachers nor new rivals, all there is for him is to pass the torch to Uub. Let him get old and live vicariously through whatever pupils there may be who can keep up with his training. But no. The Dragon Ball franchise basically is the Goku franchise. If Gohan couldn't change that, Uub sure as hell couldn't. Goku can't be sidelined. So that leaves the second option -- just reset him. GT reset him by turning him back into a little kid whose other dragon balls. Super reset him by introducing literal gods and angels to act as his mentors and/or enemies and simultaneously undoing the better part of his nearly fifty years of experience. (Yeah, Goku has to be in his mid to late 40s in Super. Chew on that for a while.) Sadly, this makes Goku a rather lame character. He essentially stopped aging, changing or in any meaningful way even learning since his training on Yardrat. But here's one more problem with the Goku reset that is Dragon Ball Super. It's back to Muten Roshi preparing Goku for the big martial arts tournament. Only Whis is Roshi. And that makes Vegeta the new Krillin. Isn't that a depressing thought -- Vegeta being the new Krillin?

@SisyphusSRB

4 ай бұрын

That was his arc post timeskip/Z. In Dragon Ball it was a bit different. Collecting a Dragon Ball, becoming a pupil to Master Roshi, entering a tournament, Jackie Chun (Roshi) entering to show Goku and Krillin that no matter how strong they are, there is always someone stronger, Red Ribbon Army which Roshi could have defeated but it was a fun adventure arc, another tournament where Goku gets to test his new skills, but Roshi's point beign proven by Goku being defeated yet again by Tenshinhan. Piccolo Daimao debut, Dragon Ball takes a 360, it becomes darker. First death, not of some randos but of Krillin and Roshi, Goku's family at that point. From that point onwards that's when the classic formula began. Arc 1 strong enemy. Arc 2 stronger enemy. Arc 3 even stronger enemy. Arc 4 super duper stronger enemy. It's fine tho, I liked the OG DB manga so much.

I just realized how insanely stupid it is that Gohan can apparently become not just as strong as he was but even stronger with basically a day's worth of training, yet he was able to let himself go so badly that he couldn't even handle regular SSJ. Not even one day, a single day within several years. He has a power to protect his world but he can't spare even few hours per year to keep it up. That's honestly more irresponsible than anything Goku has ever done and just plain lazy. Like imagine if you could become Eddie Hall strong by just visiting gym once per year and you couldn't bring yourself to do even that much. You'd have to be the biggest loser ever to not do that. I'm sure they didn't wanna potray Gohan to be that bad but that's what you get when you can't pick your lane and stay in it when it comes character's training speed.

@Lulu-ew7oh

5 ай бұрын

The writer made it clear gohan was never gonna be a fighter and the writers are too reliant on goku

@Lulu-ew7oh

5 ай бұрын

That there no way in hell they’re gonna let gohan gets stronger

@Azur_Anime

5 ай бұрын

The very fact that Gohan in like a days worth of training could spar with Goku highlights my other issue with Super, the power scaling sucks, whats the point of Goku and Vegeta constantly training to reach new heights just for others (Frieza, Gohan, 17, Caulifla etc) to reach the same heights with 1/1000000 of the amount of training

@roberth4395

4 ай бұрын

@@Lulu-ew7ohit’s not the writer it is the fans. Gohan was ment to replace Goku by Akira the writer’s will. However, DBZ was a manga designed for japanese boys. In Shonen Jump there were character popularity polls. Gohan was not popular enough among japanese boys so they brought back Goku. Gohan was ruined by the fans.

@rushpatriot2866

4 ай бұрын

​@@roberth4395yeah no you're both wrong it's toei. This is about money people nobody cares about your entertainment the entertainment you get is solely to make more money. They'll keep the story decent enough for it to keep going so they can sell more toys that's where the real money is why do you think Goku has numerous forms with different hair colors?They know they can get away with bad writing because most watchers are kids teens and idiots. People that mostly watch anime for fighting and transformation can barely analyze a story and they care even less so why would they up their writing? So yeah I guess you're partly right the fans are also at fault.

I think Super Saiyan God should have been a goal post to reach throughout the series. Goku achieves god in the beginning as it happens. Then cant get it again without help from the other saiyans, so he and Vegeta strive to get it without help throughout the whole series. That way god power doesnt get undermined. They really backed themselves into a corner by having God power levels be so easily obtained.

@austin31697

2 жыл бұрын

Was easy for Goku to get but not Vegeta

@damondriver6363

2 жыл бұрын

@@austin31697 but it was though lol especially to the viewer. He's out training with whis and sh*t and, ope, well looky here, vegeta has God power already.

@OverlordAlastor

2 жыл бұрын

@@damondriver6363 intense training with Whis isn't easy. Vegeta spent hard work and time getting it, even if it was off screen. Goku made a wish and made saiyans give him the power Vegeta pushed himself to get it

@antoniogrady5954

2 жыл бұрын

@@OverlordAlastor didn't he use the ritual on himself though

@mikealangeloy

2 жыл бұрын

@@OverlordAlastor "Even if it was off screen." Let me stop you right there, that means that it didn't take work. That's not how storytelling, or writing works.

When he said “Just because something makes money and sells toys, doesn’t make the product good within itself. Just ask WWE.” I felt that 💭

@andrewdasilva7786

2 жыл бұрын

pain fight was trrash becoz wen nagato destroyed the village he showed that strong villain energy but fighting naruto he was like let me remain like a scare crow like all naruto villains y didnt he used almighty push on naruto in the first place n than later died from a predictable small rasengan which was meters away 💀. lee vs gaara was a bs fight it was just about running fast aside of that lee lost the fight becoz of sand💀 even after being wayyyyyy faster than gaara than there naruto comes and defeats a stronger version of gaara without training his whole life this arc was definition of garrbage. Y didnt obito used his kamui against kakashi wasnt he fighting all the shinobi hours ago🤦‍♂️.naruto vs sasuke is the most shiitiest fight ever the whole fights didnt made sense base naruto was able to fight sasuke with sharingan n rennigan All the naruto fights ar nonsensical inlogical

@majinvegeta7777

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah fucking right !

@YourXellency

2 жыл бұрын

WWE's trashiness lead to the creation of AEW.

@annon-hc253

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch...!!

@Kclanks

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewdasilva7786 What does this have to do with DBS, and why is your grammar so god awful?

Also. I love how you used the original Bardok as an example of no safety net. You root so hard for him that entire movie knowing he's going to die but you can't help yourself and get crushed when it happens! That was so good!

@westonmeyer3110

11 ай бұрын

Easily my favorite Dragon Ball movie ever.

@myaparker5510

5 ай бұрын

I don't even watch dragon ball super because of what I did to bardock. I could care less about goku's mom. She was better off as a mystery.

The sad thing is that Dragon Ball has a lot of intriguing characters and stories they could explore but the creativity of the writers is not coming off on screen.... no imagination.

@dislikebutton4981

2 ай бұрын

I'd rather watch a hand drawn Z Warriors series. Tien, Yamcha, krillin, protecting earth and innocent people. Have Goten in there and have an arc where he has to step up and save the planet while everyone else is far off. I honestly don't understand the lack of spin offs... if they are successful, you can incorporate cross series stories or bring them together for movie features.

The big difference to me between Super and GT is that you can feel that GT was made by someone who genuinely enjoyed Dragonball and put effort into it but Super just feels hollow.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@shockwavesyndrome6433

3 жыл бұрын

Super Saiyan Legend and gt is good with a good story and characters, nobody has an issue with the show they just wish there was more stuff in it

@dummyalex4781

3 жыл бұрын

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 most of the time gt wasnt really good the only things that hoestly was really amazing was obviously ss4 it was a new unique transformation that fit goku and vegeta, the shadow dragons was an interesting concept sometimes it felt off but was still ok to good if im being honestly, the ending was the best thing from GT because it felt exactly like an ending it was emotional and it felt like the true end and yet an offscreen beginning fr the characters and the ones to come

@joshgroban5291

3 жыл бұрын

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 I'd say the only bad part about GT is the writing and plot executions

@andrewmah2962

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball Super - Hollow

I feel goku's stupidity in super was his version of mid life crisis 😂

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon Ball Super multiplied Goku's selfishness and stupidity by 100.

@chaseg4098

3 жыл бұрын

@@PanPickle095ITS OVER 9

@JeyNoct

3 жыл бұрын

@@PanPickle095 well Toriyama did thought Goku like that.

@bluetoon1499

3 жыл бұрын

GT may have turned Goku into a child, but Super wrote him as if he was a child.

Something I recently felt I really hated about Super is that there never seems to be a consequence or cost in anything hanging over an arc or a power ups. It all feels like its just an episodic easy arc that has no stakes to them. And fights feel very formulaic. Like at least the Cell saga had costs. Vegeta wanted to prove his potential so he let Cell become perfect. The cost of that was Cell being too strong for him and he took it. that they let the Androids wake up, because they wanted to meet the next challenge, but at the cost of being killed and the Earth being systemically destroyed so they trained in motivation for it. Also Fighting 19 and 20 had a risk of them using their ki, it getting absorbed by them. A cost, a risk. Or in the Buu arc. Vegeta wanted to fight Goku again because they never had a rematch post Super Saiyan, but that came at the risk of Buu. But Vegeta had no choice because Goku would only be there for a day then back to the dead. Vegeta risked Buu waking up for his fight but he only had one option to get it. He at a cost became evil to force Goku to fight him. At the cost of him killing people and then they fought at the cost of Buu's energy waking him up. There was at least always a cause, an effect and a risk in the plot of the arcs to keep them interesting, Thats what tension is. Super doesn't have that at all. Power ups have no cost, risk or consequence. In Z it was the Oozaru, the risk of losing your mind and the weakness of the tail being cut. Then with SSJ Goku risked losing control of his anger to it, when he yelled at Gohan. Freeza at 100% risked getting weaker because of body strain. In the Cell arc, SSJ grade 2 cost the Saiyans their speed for muscle if they couldn't figure out how to ascend instead of power up. SS2 Gohan got it but at the cost of him losing himself to his Saiyan instincts and arrogance in the power difference. In the Buu arc, Majin Vegeta had to fight back against Babidi's commands to keep his released mind and power. SS3 the cost of the strain due to it being difficult to do outside of the afterlife or another dimension which was consistent. Fusion had the cost of either getting it wrong, or running out of time from power usage. Potata (formally had a cost unique to it) where it was irreversable. Fighting Super Buu was a risk because he could just absorb you if he was losing. Kid Buu as well or he'd just blow up the planet at random. But in Super whats the cost of SS God? SSB? Hakai power? Ultra instinct? What are the risks, and consequences in the arcs? Nothing. Freeza especially can just asspull power ups too, just training for a few minutes a day. Its awful. What exactly makes any of these arcs interesting? Sure the TOP has the risk of getting deleted forever, but even that they just forfeited at the last minute because Zeno changed his mind.

Dragon Ball Super feels like a show made by people that never watched any official Dragon Ball and only watched Dragon Ball Z Abridge

@MB15046

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, even akira (author of DB) forgotten his own story

The concept of GT was at the least interesting unlike super which was “Frieza is back” “Evil goku” “ and “Big tournament”

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@bukler3934

3 жыл бұрын

I agree both of their ideas are intresting on their own (still I like gt's more) but the overall execution of them leaves so much to be desiredz they're quite underwhelming

@jamescadet4450

3 жыл бұрын

@@jantheking7028 he loves Both Super and GT equally, he also expose the flaws of GT as well. In fact he is currently making a GT fan manga fixing the flaws of GT and making it into an interesting story. Watch his Dragon Ball GT: Redemption video and you’ll see.

@jamescadet4450

3 жыл бұрын

@@jantheking7028 dude he said it himself that he loves both GT and Super equally. Who knows he might plan on making a Dragon Ball Super Redemption manga as well in the future.

@ronb7189

3 жыл бұрын

I actually loved the search for the black star ball, it was like a grander scale of the early DB adventure episodes which I absolutely loved and still go back to from time to time. However, while I did like the concept of Pan at first, I just wished her character got proper development instead of always being a plot catalyst (we did see a bit of this during the dr miyuu part of the arc) and while not everyone is annoyed by power levels, when I watched GT, Goku saying Rildo is around the level of Buu while he was fighting him in his weakened, base kid form bothered me.

My issue with Super is that it doesn’t feel like it has stakes or suspense. In dragon ball z, we had the frieza saga which gave us the iconic super saiyan transformation but it was a journey to reach that point and one that was worth it. In Super, it just feels like generic anime in some parts and the way some of the other characters are treated is just sad.

@Nobody1mportant999

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention in GT we had the Dragons and Baby. Baby was a legitimately threatening villian.

@icyatlasartworks

2 жыл бұрын

In Dragon Ball Z, no character was left behind. Even in the Cell Saga, Yamcha, Tien, and even Chi-Chi contributed. But then you look at Super, and wonder where every other Z Fighter went. At this point, the only important ones are the Saiyans and Piccolo. And then there's the repeated bastardization and humiliation of one of the most memorable villains in anime, Frieza. Goku and Vegeta have gotten so powerful, that this once mighty threat is just a weekly "we have to deal with you, send you back to hell, and then repeat ad nauseam" comic book villain. That's honestly disheartening.

@FalangeRevolutionary986

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Future fucking Trunks arc had no stakes, fucking correct.

@spiralmatt8946

2 жыл бұрын

At least in Frieza saga and Cell Saga it had a lot stakes and suspense! At least they had to think of something in order to get the job done. In this tournament of power, there were so many problems that I lose count. I couldn't tell where is the ring out is at since they were like jumping on floating rocks. Can't they quickly repair it? It's so similar to the Cell games since Cell blow the ring up then they didn't have to worry about the ring anymore.

@FalangeRevolutionary986

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiralmatt8946 They could.

I think super shows whats wrong with a lot of anime in general. dumbing down of characters, constant gags, not funny jokes. just feels like a lot of this is just made for 11 and under.

Love how "rage" became the go-to for super Saiyan transformations when it really was never about that in the first place. Goku embraced a sense of wrath, a desire to inflict suffering in order to achieve it. Vegeta dropped his pride and experienced self-loathing to find the power. Gohan finally accepted responsibility and found it. It was about dispelling a core aspect of their personality to find that power to transform. Saiyans have been one of the angriest, most violent beings in the universe for a very long time, and suddenly 'anger' is the way to bring out a transformation that hasn't been seen for 1000+ years, as if Saiyans are just the chillest hippy people. Give me a break. Don't get me started on the lame 'tingle' of universe 6 saiyans, again as if no one in their entire evolutionary history felt a tingle in their back. Honestly, everything after the Cell saga had horrendously bad writing, just shoe-horning things in for the sake of the plot they wanted to craft, despite all the precedent that had been established before hand. Oh Goten and Trunks are super saiyan at a tender young age, for . . . .reasons. . . I'd love a 'What If" from you if dragon ball played by their own rules that were established early on.

@SCHMALLZZZ

10 ай бұрын

My own head canon is that Goku and Vegeta were SS when Goten and Trunks were concieved.

@kayneassasin

10 ай бұрын

Rage was originally always part of the transformation....rage and a pure heart. That was it. However it is quite difficult to obtain a pure heart while getting mad. Goku and Gohan obtain a good pure heart, vegeta an evil one. The tingling back was lmfao awful

@LSgaming201

8 ай бұрын

Goten and Trunks were super saiyans so that they could participate in the plot. If Goten and Trunks couldn't go super saiyan they would have had as much impact on the plot as Krillin. If that was the case they may as well have not existed. My personal theory is that Toriyama originally had some idea to have Gotenks and Gohan beat Buu and thereby set them up as the new protectors of the Earth. Ending the story with Goku and Vegeta dead and the Saiyans extinct. But the fans/editors wouldn't have it.

@kayneassasin

8 ай бұрын

@@LSgaming201 Yeah it's pretty clear the story was supposed to be handed off to Gohan after Cell, but fans and/or internal struggles with the staff forced him to change direction so we had Gohan didn't train for 7 years to make him weaker than Vegeta and Goku who train 24/7 Like seriously Gohan, did you not do anything but wake up an study for 16 hours a day? I agree with you that Trunks and Goten had to become SSJ to become plot relevant and there very well may have been a plot that got cancelled where Gohan and Gotenks defeat Buu but unfortunately at the end of the day the show became Goku Time above all else. Though worth noting the Sayians aren't completely extinct even in your fan fiction of Vegeta and Goku being dead. There are still 3 half sayians which I think should count as they are genetically close enough to the originals, but yeah I get your point and would have liked to see it. Speaking of the bloodline, you'd think the prince of all sayians would at least try and have more than one kid, two if you count Bra in GT, just to try and preserve as much of his royal bloodline as possible.

@LSgaming201

8 ай бұрын

@kayneassasin There was a point of about 50 episodes where the Saiyans are extinct. After Vegeta sacrifices himself against Buu, the Saiyans are extinct. Goku and Vegeta are both dead and Broly and Paragus weren't canon yet. So at that point. The Saiyans were indeed extinct.

DBS just doesn’t have the high stakes and genuine moments that made the audience feel something. Too many power ups and I honestly hate SSB. I just didn’t like it.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@Chriso22

3 жыл бұрын

That is true like this literally takes place before end of z so we know all the characters are okay so there is no suspense

@jordancromwell

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@likeanuuk6612

3 жыл бұрын

super saiyan blue it

@dillpickle7400

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it’s not the power ups that doesn’t make sense. Goku is completely okay. it’s simply Toriyama making his other characters exponentially stronger over the sagas just to make them look tough for the plot. Take Android 17 for example when he was on par with SSB Goku. He wouldn’t of even stand a chance against SSJ 2 back in Z. This is the only problem i have with Super.

I commend you for making a video this long ✊

@Xiuh_the_Reaper

3 жыл бұрын

Xeno ok

@cold_gold2408

3 жыл бұрын

I havent seen your videos in a long time

@nomemes4614

3 жыл бұрын

@@xeno4693 OK BOOMER

@nomemes4614

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattChuBoi755 +2

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻

I felt like the SSJ God form (with red hair) should’ve been Goku and Vegeta’s god forms for the entirety of super, up until Ultra Instinct. I felt like once we got the God form it was instantly replaced by Super Saiyan Blue (which in my opinion is the point in which I said there are too many transformations).

@Medachod

7 ай бұрын

Plus, it is cool that it is a color change of their base hair. It made it feel special.

I don't really care about dragon ball, but I have massive respect for someone who isn't afraid to come across as an asshole for asserting his points with confidence.

Everything you said about Goku Black and the Future Trunks arc deserves a standing ovation. That arc had the most potential in Super imo🤦🏾‍♂️

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@bigbangpegasusmaster

3 жыл бұрын

As nonsensical as the arc was, I actually liked it..........until the ending. The final episode was an absolute disgrace. I'd be more willing to forgive Spirit Sword over whatever the hell happened there

@premiumdude8353

3 жыл бұрын

the evil containment botch was cringe

@Spazzdadon

3 жыл бұрын

Goku black was a good villian. But they ruined Trunks..Dbz trunks was Nice asf!!

@jjmaster0113pro

3 жыл бұрын

@@premiumdude8353 real talk, him forgetting the senzu beans was bad enough but the evil containment wave part was horrible writing, how could he forget the seal for the rice container smh

The worst spit on the face was when Piccolo lost TO A FUCKING BUG in Top

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

Piccolo is the new Yamcha. How can anyone claim to be a fan of dragon ball and yet support DBS and think it's a quality series?

@fatman7052

2 жыл бұрын

Ok out of all the things you are right

@fatman7052

2 жыл бұрын

@@PanPickle095 shut up dude no one cares about your judgement on other opinions learn to accept others

@codered1132

2 жыл бұрын

@@fatman7052 that’s not what he’s saying but ok.

@fatman7052

2 жыл бұрын

@@codered1132 I was a little annoyed when I commented this

The thing about Future Trunks is that he would have jumped at the Super Saiyan God ritual. He was not someone ruled by his pride, and was always much more focused on getting the job done. It could have been a great contrast to the feelings Goku expresses during Battle of Gods. Suppose the reason he came back was not to beg for Goku and Vegita to come with him and fight his battles for him, but because he somehow learned about the ritual and came back to the main timeline because he knew there were enough Saiyans alive to perform the ritual in that timeline.

@OnlySayori

2 ай бұрын

most comments on this video, usually stupid or annoying, but this i adore, this could legit be good and could've had some type of ssjrage afterwards and it make more sense as his hybrid version of ssjb

The ONLY honest youtuber with a HONEST opinion of super and the current state of the DB franchise. Literally agreed entirely with every point made! Well done. You should be the one leading the writing for the show to be honest.

@yorknew423

7 ай бұрын

There’s so many dbs is trash videos though

@trapG0LD710

7 ай бұрын

@@yorknew423 I wonder why?

@kyujinamv5326

5 ай бұрын

@@trapG0LD710😂😂

@FanksCast

4 ай бұрын

That guy Totally not Mark didn't seem like a huge fan and many others, don't know why you had to put ONLY in caps like no one else has done it before because I've seen plenty of them.

I miss when Goku was the underdog that put everything he had into fighting his opponents. Now he's grown into a guy who views everyone else as the underdog who have to "force" him to take a fight seriously, except even WHEN he brings out SSB, he holds back so much he's able to fight weaklings like Krillin without accidentally killing him. It's hard to tell a fight is serious when the main character is constantly underestimating his opponents because of how much his power has grown. In my opinion, SSG should have been the apex of Goku's power and the end of the entire franchise, fanbase be damned.

@JavotheDino18

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Ssg should have been the end of all transformations. It would have been so clever, let enemies underestimate his looks only for goku to show that raw power. Plus it wouldn't be typical more muscles equals more strength, its thin and lean. And it could have made goku fight in a new way, being more calm and tactical. That would have made a smoother transition to ultra instinct (not the master version.) You can't even called it mastered ultra instinct because it's not even mastered. It should have just been omen, it would have made alot more sense, since gods of destruction can't master it, goku shouldn't have either. Ssg should have been the strongest transformation goku has and ultra instinct omen be his strongest technique.

@veryangryboi4128

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 its hard to see super goku as an underdog when he doesn't grow and continues to lose and look like a rookie still despite having 40 years of experience, that's honestly sad.and no goku doesn't get help he gets saved by the gods and by bull shit writing.goku gets trashed down alot in super he obviously isn't holding back and checking out his opponents,if he is it ain't noticeable at all.SSJ4 and SSJ Blue are both fine tho

@Galvatronover

2 жыл бұрын

Let’s all remember it wasn’t goku that beat Cell it was Gohan and he needed the spirit bomb (which was the combined power of everyone in earth) to defeat Buu

@kingmeruem8821

2 жыл бұрын

Ssg should have been the only form in Super I agree.

@Nice_Person7379

2 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 ur gonna forget ressurection f when goku stole the win from Vegeta, achieved the fancy schmancy forms to fight Beerus and Jiren first? Sure gt was also responsible for something similar but the goku winning formula wasn’t so prominent as it is today. And if ki control means spamming blue hair dye for no reason then it’s actually quite stupid. Like you don’t need to go ssgss in a base ball match or against arale

I'll never forgive the writers for ruining super saiyan and super saiyan god

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@xshadowwreckerx7561

3 жыл бұрын

Mainly God like damn your just gonna make it useless right after Goku just got it

@fantastic8430

2 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 is your back tingling?

@joshuahackshaw7703

Жыл бұрын

They ruined it?

I feel that as time moves on, people will appreciate GT more and more, flaws and all, with it's unique stories, movies, and characters.

@tastefullys

Жыл бұрын

Except for 17 coming back

@westonmeyer3110

11 ай бұрын

Eventually people will want GT to continue as the “canon” continuation to Z.

@tiagocarneiromagalhaes3153

7 ай бұрын

Nah, GT is utter garbage, and it gets worse and worse while time passes

@nexus6163

6 ай бұрын

ssj4 was awesome the cmon

@TonyFontaine1988

6 ай бұрын

@@tiagocarneiromagalhaes3153 no. Shadow dragon saga made sense and was perfect way to close the series

This man is so honest and truly understands why people regard the original and z so much instant subscription for honesty 😊

@SaiyanScholar

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Syndrome's plan worked... "When everyone is super, no one will be." Edit: Didn't expect the traction. Thank you kind strangers!

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@Law34prez

3 жыл бұрын

Had a feeling you would catch that. Great content bro. Keep it up.

@theruddyone6443

3 жыл бұрын

@@Law34prez nice incredibles refrence bruhh droppin GEMS!

@Law34prez

3 жыл бұрын

@@theruddyone6443 They tried to warn us! Lol

@crazycrazy-vr9hj

3 жыл бұрын

"When everyone is a hero, no one is anymore."

I remember the year, 2005 to be precise, when I was watching Goku ask everyone to lend him energy to defeat Kid Buu. I lifted my arms high and proudly on that day, cheering him on. Those were the days, Vegeta wasn't chasing Goku's power anymore and respected him, choosing to get stronger for himself and his loved ones.

@monicavulvatron3800

2 жыл бұрын

And when Goku woke up from the heart virus you get a little emotional because you felt like it’s going to be all right.

@marconopolo5723

2 жыл бұрын

:')

@Contemplatingspider

Жыл бұрын

No you do gawk gawk

@mrphauker

Жыл бұрын

Yesss that part made me want to put my hands up too.

That’s why I read Dragon Ball Kakumei. If you don’t know, Dragon Ball Kakumei is a fan manga that is infinitely better than super and brings back the heart and story telling of Z. The art is also like if Yusuke Murata (the manga artist for One Punch Man) drew in the DB style. It’s honestly so good and if you are a Dragon Ball fan, you owe it to yourself to read it.

@Dylan-cu4ty

Жыл бұрын

Where do I find this or read it? Can physical form be found?

@genericsidecharacter8915

Жыл бұрын

@@Dylan-cu4ty idk about physical form, but you can find online if you search it up.

@HenoWest

Жыл бұрын

Man that shit is gold, I love it I don't even want it animated they'll ruin it.the art is amazing

The thing about Ribrienne... as a Magical Girl fan she was _extra_ annoying because she was meant to be an insult to Magical Girl characters- and she wasn't even a good mockery. She could have been done well as a parody- even a mean spirited one- and maybe even been funny, but they instead just wrote her to be as annoying as possible. It's like _Toriyama forgot_ that the series is meant to be fun, not annoying. And on top of that, *why would you create a character specifically to annoy fans, and then give them a solid, what, ten episodes of screentime?* I very nearly didn't bother finishing after her fourth time taking a spotlight.

@KaiKrimson56

Жыл бұрын

To make the parody ironic, Toei owns Sailor Moon and Pretty Cure, so that means they made a joke that didn't quite work on a genre two out of four their most popular anime come from.

I really like Dragon Ball GT. It does have its problems, just like Super has its problems - however, I seem to notice the passion that was put into GT. The original Dragon Ball has been overshadowed by Z, and instead of making a Z clone - it seems that they tried to combine the two whilst also making its own concepts - Black Star Dragon Balls, Super Saiyan 4 being its own unique design and not just a hair dye. The Dragon Balls actually having purpose other than being a plot device. Unlike Super, GT actually has stakes and consequences thankfully taking place after the end of Z. As someone who had to adjust to his heritage and finally became proud of his heritage and didn't shy away from it, Goku Jr is probably the most relatable character for me. So please keep in mind my biases and I don't hate Super.

@PrinceOfFeels

2 жыл бұрын

GT is a love letter to fans. It’s a shame we are just understand it now.

@nocappin9596

2 жыл бұрын

@ClubHop I rewatched gt and super and gt is so clear of super. Much better show even though I don’t mind super

The broly movie was the only thing I really liked super related

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@jordancromwell

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@snin3202

3 жыл бұрын

Same. No GoD & angels bullshit..no zeno, no new DBS characters. Just good ol classic materials.

@shadowofthenorthstar989

3 жыл бұрын

same and that movie was just ok

@donathan2933

3 жыл бұрын

@Dash Fetchem agreed

I don't think I realised how bad dbs was until I started rereading the original dragon ball. The original dragon ball actually had soul, the writing was impeccable, the power-ups were fun and feel deserved, Krillin, Yamchan, and Tien were actually impressive and Tien became my favourite character. dbz was an entirely different ball game, the Super Saiyan was an incredible transformation and actually felt deserved. To this day I don't understand where Super Saiyan blue came from, we suddenly had blue and the original super saiyan god was nerfed and we didn't even see its proper potential. I liked the original Bardock far more than the dbs Bardock which is just a rehashed Superman story. I still like dbs, I still read the manga, but my god it's just so entirely bad.

@westonmeyer3110

11 ай бұрын

Dragon Ball was legitimately amazing. Krillin was a true badass in it.

"Wasted potential" might as well be the name of the damn show. That's what sucks the most- that we see that potential for greatness and it gets thrown in the trash. Great video man 👌

@cyberninjazero5659

Жыл бұрын

They said the same thing about GT but at least GT had cool designs, most DBS transformations are lame recolors and even the new villain (Jiren) was the lamest design in all of Dragon Ball at least the Manga gave us Moro to make up for it. When I saw Jiren I knew Toriyama had given up and just wanted to be left alone, there's no way someone as talented as him would draw that, look at it and decide it should be the main villain. DBS never had a chance

@godzillagurus576

Жыл бұрын

“Such wasted potential” - Kuai Liang (MK11)

@HenoWest

Жыл бұрын

Fan mangas are waaay better man

Super is like bad fanfiction. Repetitive. Unoriginal. Poorly executed. There aren't even motivations, it's all 'eh, I guess I'll do this' or 'I need to get stronger because.' Full of prejudice (ie it's all goku and vegeta. To the point that they are themselves a parody of the Z counterpart, even regressing from previous arcs). Focuses on all the things fans like (fighting and forms) and none of the things fans don't realize they actually love (the cast, the unpredictability, failure + growth and the slice of life nature of its narrative). Sadly, even though it focuses completely on fighting there are never any stakes because with only two characters no one can really get hurt or die. Even the obstacles feel fake given the terrible scaling. It's all fluff. I'd take an arc about small time criminals trying to get revenge on the Z fighters for accidentally stopping a robbery over the twentieth universal scale power battle.

@dvda9725

2 жыл бұрын

Everything about Super just screams bad fanfiction. "Super Saiyan... but BLUE!!!" "Female Broly!!!" "Evil version of Goku!!!" It's all so hilariously awful.

@stoheha

2 жыл бұрын

Yeahh... thing is, in my opinion... many of the fan mangas totally surpass Super in every way. They should've just animated Dragon Ball multiverse, or something.

@Gogeta0991

2 жыл бұрын

Even more the antagonists are soo bad. Oh I will come here and destroy earth (especially the latest two Manga arcs) . Oh let us make a tournament.

@jonyrock

2 жыл бұрын

I've read some fan made mangas recently that were better drawn and had more soul in the story than super lol

@SuperSaiyanDate

2 жыл бұрын

@@stoheha Multiverse is one of the worst fan mangas out there. And they literaly stole it already.

I just don't like how Super doesn't seem like it has much of a story with any weight to it. Everything just feels like a self-contained long filler arc, and Beerus and Whis always being around just feels like they're hanging onto the series and living plot armor. There just doesn't seem to be much direction for the characters anymore. Its just "new thing shows up" like Smash Bros. And the whole thing with alll the characters other than Goku is just. "they want to protect their off screen families" as their shared motivation isnt really a plotline. Its a generic default status. Like they became the Justice League now, and not really anti-herioc martial artists anymore. I just don't think Super really does anything better than GT other than just better fights. GT had better arc plots imo.

@olofacosta3192

2 жыл бұрын

Lol like Tien shienhan isn't also a prodigy, or idk LITERALLY every single fighter in dragon ball smh. Super has Shockingly bad writing at times.

@averyhepburn8092

2 жыл бұрын

Every fucking character in dragon Ball is a fucking prodigy... Master Roshi took 50 years to do the Kamehameha while Goku took 50 seconds, Tien literally made master Roshi quit martial arts even though he was a teenager, piccolo became stronger than his own father within 3 years of existing, Frieza without any training could actually hold his own with the legendary Super Saiyan and trained for 4 months so he could fight ssjb goku, the Android's we're stronger than SSJ by default and 17 became ssjb level from training on a fucking island, Gohan with only 4 years of training beat cell who was literally made up of all the strongest beings to exist at the time, Goten and trunks became SSJ at an earlier age than Gohan, Buu is the literal incarnation of evil, etc. Why is it so fucking weird for caulifla and kale to do the same exact shit every fucking character did? How can she be a mary sue? She has zero fucking wins and got humiliated by Goku. Goku was literally training her.

@olofacosta3192

2 жыл бұрын

@@averyhepburn8092 because it's dumb. No one but super fanboys liked the frieza or 17 getting that strong with zero explainations nor did anyone like goten and trunks getting ssj that early. By kale and caulifla people had just gotten tired of asspulls

@averyhepburn8092

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry there were grammar mistakes that my phone corrected.

@heretopissyouoff8439

2 жыл бұрын

To be completely fair caulifla and kale turned into mary Sues only because they were rushed, same goes for jiren. If only the story didn't rush their development, they could've been great. There were times it came really really REALLY close to being good. For instance jiren's backstory instead of just having jiren say "oH fRieNds aRe UseLeSs" over and over. They could instead delve deeper into how he disconnects himself from people because of his fear of lost, combined with his pain of betrayal and abandonment by his old friends. They got super close to it during the battle with goku but they ultimately just said "nah f*ck it, just make him swole." Same with kale and caulifla, especially kale. Her fear of being abandoned and left behind or being a burden to caulifla could've been explored more. Maybe a flashback of how caulifla always had to protect her and maybe even gets injured trying to. Perhaps delve a little deeper into why caulifla likes kale so much, it's not really explained, from the way caulifla is portrayed, it would seem like she'd hate kale because of how weak she is. Instead of making kale universe 6's broly, they could've lead with that but surprise us and show that she's actually that universe's gohan. Similar to gohan, she hates herself for allowing people to get hurt for her and causing more bad than good when she goes berserk, eventually it builds up and she's finally able to let it go and control her power. And it could literally be as simple as just giving a WHOLE episode (not just parts of one) dedicated to exploring kale and caulifla and another one for jiren, seeing those were the only opponents slightly focused upon in the T.O.P. these are just my opinions and ideas feel free to disagree

I love GT. GT is the reason I got into Dragon Ball and I liked how it tried to be like OG and early Z and less of later Z that many make fun of like less fighting and more beams and jokes about how the next super sayian is just SSJ3 but even longer hair (it's why I like SSJ4 because it's different and called back it's original and isn't just SSJ3 with longer hair or SSJ1 but different color.) My favorite DB games are the ones that include GT stuff. To this day I still want a GT DLC for Dragon Ball Kakarot like how they made DLC for Super stories.

@EthanTheDinoNerd

Жыл бұрын

Also blame DBA for these character assassinations

Why is there a perfected blue when blue as a concept requires absolute ki control to achieve. Meaning that there shouldn’t be any more perfecting it.

Just like some star wars fans did with the sequels, I would gladly sign a petition to make DB Super non canon, this thing made me appreciate GT so much more.

@denkerbosu3551

Жыл бұрын

Funny how at the start of the sequels, people were trashing the prequels. Then TLJ came out and the prequels ruled. Now even in the disney SW series they are doing stuff mostly in the prequel era, like Obi-wan (and still failing.

@mrphauker

Жыл бұрын

I would too, super ruined so many great things. Fusion, future trunks became a bitch, gokus character, and villains, just feels like a bad fanfic.

@gayema664

Жыл бұрын

@@denkerbosu3551 I think they only dislike the prequel movies (*except episode 3 as it gotten a really nice amount of money*) until more lore came out like the two clone war shows,comics and novels to help make that help to become more likeable.

@zamasu8422

Жыл бұрын

B r u h

@jundullah9869

Жыл бұрын

@@mrphauker and we will never forget neither forgive vegeta being a mf who dance, but you're 100% right dbs is such a bad fan fic that it made me nuts to think that its canon

I'm glad you agree that Goku's character was downgraded in some type of way. There have been people that say that his character hasn't changed, but there was a noticable difference in Super. I get that DBS was supposed to be kid friendly but they took away the aspects of Goku that we knew and loved. I ended up liking Vegeta as a character more and more as Super went on because you could see the notable character growth for him while my love for Goku decreased as Super continued until midway through the TOP. Loved the video!!!!

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@ziongamer6905

3 жыл бұрын

I hate that they pretty much continued Vegetas character arc of needing to be stronger than Goku But Gokus intelligence drop was ridiculous and even worse imo. Yes we know he isn’t a “hero”, we know he fights for fun. Stop making him into an idiot though, Toriyama! The man would be serious if his universe was at stake, he’d want to beat Jiren not just cause he’s strong but because he knows he has to pass this hurdle to save his loved ones and many innocents.

@Lee_theGreat15

3 жыл бұрын

@@ziongamer6905 It would've been fitting in a way and would've been a better way to introduce the idea that Vegeta was going to achieve power in his own way like he was saying in the TOP. I don't think Goku becoming less intelligent or kid friendly was Toriyama, it was whoever was in charge of writing the anime story because Toriyama just gave them a guideline for stories and they had to add what they thought was good while keeping the notes that Toriyama sent it to them

@Troll_vs.

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. They did to goku what they did to patrick star and cosmo. Characters that werent the smartest had that dumb trait amped up

@shockwavesyndrome6433

3 жыл бұрын

Lee Moore the only people who think super goku is the same as Japanese z goku are TFS fanboys, watch the last dragon ball saga in Japanese against Majunor, you’ll see Japanese goku at 18 is far smarter and far less silly as super goku

1:53:33 pretty ironic how DBS fans say GT's worse than Super when GT kept Goku's character and fighting prowess consistent like how moves on Goku never work twice and he always works around it and how surprise attacks on Goku were genuine surprise attacks and not just Goku having his guard down bs

If I'm thankful to Super for anything, it's that it made me realize GT was not that bad at all.

@dannysummers4591

Ай бұрын

GT while flawed in many ways, at least still tried new and interesting ideas

U should make a shirt saying "it's the writers fault"

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@djbhickenwings8122

3 жыл бұрын

So he can take my time and then my money sure

@nitro-verse5311

3 жыл бұрын

@Cody Ingram OOOO but its written in like the logo style of that franchise thats a good idea man

@nitro-verse5311

3 жыл бұрын

@Cody Ingram thanks man id buy a terminator style one cuz FUCK that series is a big victim of its the writers fault

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

It's the fanboys fault.

100% agree with everything. It felt soulless and directionless. The transformation fatigued and the shit treatment on the Z warriors so many missed opportunities wasted. My heart goes out to the animators that had to deal with forced hours by the company's demand and the death threat comments from their audience, they dont deserve any of it but the writers and staff production deserve every harsh criticism. I was one of those defensive people that defended "Super" cause I spent time and energy start to finish but while looking back on it, the journey was a huge headache and pain in the ass. There's some to like about "Super" slice of life moments and fights too. I was debating whether to collect the DBS anime on bluray to complete my DB series but instead I'll just stick with the physical manga and buy GT instead.

@Soniman001

Жыл бұрын

Bro refused to buy mid to buy below mid instead 💀

@EscapeArtist587

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Super may be canon since it happens after Bulmas birthday party & before the final tournament when Goku fights uub In DBZ but since it was done soo bad & without love it’s a cartoon now that’s not canon In the eyes of fans. I think GT comes after DBZ ending since Goku is in his blue Gi & Pan was born in the last episode of Z by Gohan & now she’s a full grown teen in GT.

@Cuauhtemoc3

Жыл бұрын

You put it perfectly.

@AlexisTheDragon

Жыл бұрын

Why dont' you just buy nothing and stop being a mindless consumer.... Least you admitted your mistake.

@YourRandomCommenter

Жыл бұрын

​@@Soniman001super is WAYYY below mid too.

Let’s be real this man could write a version of dbs immeasurably better than the what we got.

@kumarayush9950

Жыл бұрын

Even the writers could but they intentionally ruined it to sell the fkin toys ... That's why so many transformations.. they didn't gave a single form a chance to grow and they didn't used any character other than Goku and Vegeta .. look at Gohan, Goten & Trunks(both) .. they're sidelined bcz they could make money while writing a completely lazy storyline with minimal effort

@_Ninjin.

Жыл бұрын

@@kumarayush9950 Fr

@adeleinetheartist8267

Жыл бұрын

@@kumarayush9950 The writers of Dragon Ball Super are greedy fools.

One thing I really hate about Blue is how absolutely stunning the color is. I'm not a big fan of the golden hairs, but goddamn, I prefer that any time over that weird blue coloration. If they wanted to transmit tranquility, they could have easily used the aura. Imagine the interior being just a regular Goku, maybe with a soft blue to his hair, but with a cool "spirit-like" aura surrounding him. Anything that made the coloration less aggressive, because when I look into such a shiny solid color that looks like it's on fire I don't feel like the warrior is tranquil, I feel like he has a personal vendetta against my eyes. Edit: I now saw again the image of Ultra Instinct and... yeah, guess that's exactly what I was describing. Regular Goku surrounded by a darker tone of blue in a spirit-like aura. Perfect design, I really agree that it should have gone from God straight to Instinct. Also, the name for Ultra Instinct in Portuguese is basically *Superior* Instinct and I just love this name so much.

@forastero54321

Жыл бұрын

For it was mostly the opposite: I really love the golden-fiery transformation of super saiyan, and it was my biggest reason for hating ssj blue. Ssj blue is essentially not only a mockery of the original ssj transformation by just being a lazy palette swap, it is also an awkward choice of blue shiny hair that I’ve always thought looked rather bad. Maybe if you like the color blue you’ll enjoy the look of this transformation, but for me it’s one of the most horrendous transformations ever achieved by the main characters. If they wanted to make goku go ssj in god form they should have just gone with an orange aura, but instead of having the hard-looking and shiny hair-they could have just left it looking sorta spiky, but mostly flowy (like how goku’s hair looked when the wind blew during his stare-off against vegeta before they fought in the saiyan saga) and not make it look shiny to represent the “calmness” of the transformation.

@jh89g8icxhas08

11 ай бұрын

if it were a nice blue like Vegeta's evolved version it'd have been fine. instead they chose to use some ugly ass cyan for the form.

@Rude_Boi

4 ай бұрын

I don't like how frivolously SSJ Blue was used and how easy other characters can be on the same level by doing nothing, such as Android 17 fighting human poachers and automatically surpassed Majin Buu and can fight against SSJ Blue Goku.

One thing I've learned lately is how to let go of a series that used to be good. So many series have an amazing season or two then dwindle off. I've learned to stop watching if there's enough bad episodes in a row. Bad shows? Ain't nobody got time for that.

@MemeRaider

2 жыл бұрын

Lol like one punch man season 2 garbage

@danielmatuka4885

2 жыл бұрын

Here's a number of shows that suffered from a decline in quality due to multiple seasons 1. SpongeBob SquareSpants 2. Loud House 3. Johnny test 4. The Simpsons

@alexanderhamilton2531

2 жыл бұрын

honestly this is messed up, people wish that new shows would be like their own childhood but wake up its not 1992 anymore u guys think that because dragon ball super isint dragon ball z u find an excuse to critisize it because it isint ur childhood its not about what u want its about what toriyama wants to do with the franchise. he ended Z because he wanted to go on to new things like super.. just like how naruto ended and boruto came along thats the same thing toriyama is doing with dragon ball

@alexanderhamilton2531

2 жыл бұрын

plus u guys say some things are lazy but cut them some slack, they work their asses off to give us a good show and u guys critisize them because its not *nostalgic*

@dantecurry207

Жыл бұрын

@@MemeRaider Messed up part is that the manga is actually very good, but season 2 just sucked as an adaptation.

Something about super that i dont hear anyone mention is THEY TURNED MAI INTO A NEW CHARACTER, its a 30,40, maybe even 50 year old in a 9 year old body trying to marry a 12 year old kid and in the future trunks saga she is a whole new character

I watched the original GT since I was a kid. And I love the storyline and the Ssj4 form. I still don't understand why people dislike it

@Cuauhtemoc3

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy GT more than Super.

@daxie__3210

Жыл бұрын

The initial arc was terrible. I'm guessing that was what soured many people's opinion about GT

@rubberballoonlover5471

Жыл бұрын

@@daxie__3210 I enjoyed ALL the arcs of GT, including the first one.

@Rtx9070ti

Жыл бұрын

I hate how they turned goku into a kid and when they got the black star dragon balls goku didn't want to reverse the wish that made him a kid it almost makes the character progression from the original dragon ball to z look pointless

@bcal8118

Жыл бұрын

It's poorly written and doesn't make sense most of the time,that's why

So with SSG I thought any battle against someone as strong with that would basically destroy the universe, but then with blue being a stronger power, and freeza going from where he was to literally stronger than SSG out of nowhere, why didn't that fight alone destroy the universe?

@hbshadow8981

2 жыл бұрын

THIS Finally i found someone else who notices how much bullshit the ssg goku vs beerus fight is when it came to "shaking the universe"

@arthurparlette7642

2 жыл бұрын

Because of ki control... you know, the thing they learned in z.... the thing they mention

@midsectionmark8956

2 жыл бұрын

I think dragon ball needs to just take a leap of faith and let them fight in space not just a new planet. That’s what it should have been as a Super Saiyan God form. Just so fans can’t complain about the whole fighting on the planet thing. I definitely agree that worlds should be destroyed but come on by the fight with Cell they definitely had planet crushing ability just by shock waves of fighting on the planet. The way I see it is that it’s been a problem for a long time and at this point it’s just a logic we need to accept if they are not gonna fight in space. They have multi planet and universal but fight on the ground for scenery.

@yaboiiunclephil1552

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthurparlette7642 Theres no point in new forms and power scaling if the fights are functionally the same. Who cares if goku can “shake an infinite void” hes still punching kicking and shooting lasers. Boring as hell

@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou

2 жыл бұрын

To emphasize how strong the villains are, you can’t have planet level opponents forever because goku and vegeta could just eventually surpass them. With this logic, anything past the original and early saiyans saga is practically pointless. The escalation is simply for fun, granted it does look stupid that universe busters don’t actively blow everything up. Even villains who supposedly want to kill everyone. There is practically nothing stopping frieza fork blowing up the earth and doing away with the saiyans in one fellow swoop.

KZread: You're limit is the 10min mark boi Saiyan scholar: You underestimate my power and knowledge of dragonball

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@shard7549

3 жыл бұрын

Saiyan Scholar: (Hits 10 minute mark) AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!

@DivineDragonofficial

3 жыл бұрын

KZread: NANI?!!!

@tobygarton2574

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigpeoples9883 lol

@zTheColonelz

3 жыл бұрын

I just realized it was 2 hours long lmao

I love the way you articulate your opinions. You do a good job of expressing what a lot of people have felt over the years.

Like you said, Super has amazing ideas but they use safe writing to dial down the stakes. Frieza was my favorite character from Z because of how much of a threat he was, that and his personality. Zamasu WOULD be my favorite from Super if the arc was written better. The idea of a god deciding to go AWOL and kill all mortals sounds awesome but in execution it turned out to be the worst arc (or at least a close contender) in all of Super. Disappointing

@coldeed

9 ай бұрын

Different folks, different strokes I suppose. Always considered Frieza boring because it was just Vegeta again tbh

@thelvadam90

5 ай бұрын

​@coldeed Frieza's personality was fully different than Vegeta's though but yeah they had similar motivations.

My biggest problem is how they changed Goku and Vegeta 1: Goku was much serious and less stupid in DBZ 2: Goku doesn't care if a universe blows up, he only cares about fighting and rarely takes it seriously, not only that but the only time be seemed actually serious is in the Goku Black saga when Black killed Chi Chi and Goten. 2: Vegeta was peaceful, and had huge characters development more then ever, he even shared food with Majin Buu for god sake. He even sacrificed himself to protect Goten and Trunks, he agreed to fuse with Goku permanently(even though it wasn't permanent.) And admitted to himself that Goku was #1.

@joshuahackshaw7703

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s true

@rubberballoonlover5471

Жыл бұрын

But no. Toriyama just decided to regress them for the sake of making more money.

@darling..............

Жыл бұрын

Exactly,they ruined vegetas character and made him into a literal joke too,vegeta during the climax of the buu saga was very mature and addmited that goku was #1 but now in supers hes very whiny and still acts like a bozo

@rubberballoonlover5471

Жыл бұрын

@@darling.............. & they even regressed Bulma too.

@illuminossentertainment3253

Жыл бұрын

​@@rubberballoonlover5471 I assume you're referring to the "using the Dragon Balls to make herself younger or give her a bigger butt" thing. If that's the case, I do agree wholeheartedly.

I didn’t mind Universe 6 Saiyans being almost completely opposite of the Saiyans on Universe 7. It was just the execution and ruining of Super Saiyan that made them awful.

@Nephalem2002

2 жыл бұрын

That and making Frost a Freiza clone was fucking atrocious.

@tentaplayz3691

2 жыл бұрын

True

@tentaplayz3691

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nephalem2002 Well it IS Universe 6 sooo....

@ramenbomberdeluxe4958

2 жыл бұрын

@@tentaplayz3691 Actually, that should be the crudest but still effective way to justify Frost NOT being evil like Freeza, he just ended up being nothing more than a stereotype creator!

@Flyboiairlines

2 жыл бұрын

They could of made achieve super saiyan on their own before our universe met them it would make more sense

I think the Dragon Ball series was, as whole, the ultimate test of how much a great author can elongate a story WAY beyond its original planned length and it still be good. For a series originally planned to end in its first saga (Pilaf), everything up till Namek/Frieza was absolutely great. Yes, there were retcons, there were a few plot holes, but still, great. Then the androids and Cell came and the author was still able to make it good even with the concept making overall little sense (some random Robot from the army that Goku wiped entirely as a little kid is stronger than Frieza and SSJ... ok I guess). Then the Buu saga is already pretty bad in comparison to everything before and everything that came after it (GT, Super, etc) was, in my humble opinion, terrible. It would have been better to immortalize the series as something great in its entitery with a solid Namek ending. Goku, through his good heart making it possible for him to have access to virtuous, great martial arts masters, surpassed his low class warrior limits, became the legendary super saiyan, avenged his race, saved the universe and died in the process. He'll always be remembered as the ultimate hero and the Saiyan legacy lives on on Earth through Gohan's bloodline.

@koladearasanmi2005

Жыл бұрын

Agree buy I would have finish it at cell saga with gohan and have him take the lead to super like a way to see how he can fit the shoes of Goku as a new protector along side piccolo

@TheSacredCowtipper88

Жыл бұрын

This. The series peaked when he became super Saiyan, sorry not sorry.

@fiddlesticks7245

11 ай бұрын

The Namek saga is probably the mechanically best saga, but the Cell saga is my personal favorite. The experimental super saiyan forms, Gohan's hidden power finally coming full circle, the ending was... Perfect.

@NatCo-Supremacist

7 ай бұрын

I think Goku should stay the protagonist

@thelvadam90

5 ай бұрын

Cell saga should have been the ending. That would have been perfect tbh.

One of the problems is also the fandom. We all know it, most db "fans" only care about seeing new transformations and cool looking fights and will always call hype a rage scene no matter the context. They'll continue to ruin dragon ball because most fans dont even see the problem. They dont even know what was dragon ball to begin with

They never even had to make SSB a form. Honestly they could have made a mastered god form have the SSJ look but with the badass red/fire aura.

@ZERARCHIVE2023

2 жыл бұрын

IT woudl've been... Fire. haha i'm hilarious and you'll quote this

@razkable

2 жыл бұрын

Ssj God to ultra ego or ultra instinct would of been cool

@Contemplatingspider

Жыл бұрын

Nah

@luis-sophus-8227

Жыл бұрын

Just orange, not a blue color which I don't know where it comes from.

@fyecofi

Жыл бұрын

ssg looks way better than ssb too

God I love your section on Goku, finally someone GETS IT!! A mature and respectable Goku who we can look up to, but who also when he does something silly like "MY BUTTS ON FIRE" in the frieza fight, it's actually a funny moment, a treasured part of his character. DBs destroyed him by turning him into a complete dumbass and I hate DBs Goku so much. Thank you for recognising this and bringing it out. You've solidified me as a fan of your work.

@monicavulvatron3800

2 жыл бұрын

If you want a glimpse of a mature Goku I think you should read the db heroes manga. Xeno Goku is the most serious one.

@omensoffate

2 жыл бұрын

Best goku was when he was trying to find bulmas balls

@paul-pq4xp

2 жыл бұрын

Turned goku into luffy

@cody3504

2 жыл бұрын

@@monicavulvatron3800 Dragon Ball heroes always does a great job of making Goku look like a toatal bad ass and a mentor. I enjoy watching those trailers where suddenly you and your hero feel like you'll be okay because SSJ3 Goku is standing right behind you looking more serious than Picollo

@batboythecool

2 жыл бұрын

loved that section

The thing I like about Super is that it made people like GT

@rubberballoonlover5471

Жыл бұрын

Well, I ALWAYS loved GT.

I’m glad more people are starting to realize super sucks

Oh I'm ready for this let me get comfortable.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@LuminesBreezer--

3 жыл бұрын

I literally grabbed dinner for this. Someone is right on like I am about this cash grab.

Now this is a true fan of dragon ball taking the time to explain in detail how the series is. really great video and explaination as always

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@thedust0622

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaiyanScholar 👊

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

The fact people can't see these problems and needs to be spoon fed is laughable. But they'll find a way to defend the bullshit. They're the problem. They're the reason we can't have nice things

@zoomer4358

3 жыл бұрын

@@PanPickle095 yeah it's kinda sad people try to explain everything that super puts out like that tingly back shit

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoomer4358 And what's worse is that they act like GT is the biggest letdown. I am no GT fan but Super did way worse in it's first arc than GT in it's entirety.

Toriyama just needs to stop being lazy and stop with the napkin note writing. If he doesn’t want to do full writing he should just stop and leave the series.

It’s really unfortunate that they replaced the plot with a wheel of colors to turn Goku’s hair.

@Evolution-Is-A-Blatant-Lie

Жыл бұрын

Whats the point? In 3 years there will pink piccolo. Whats the point in discussing UI? In 2 years there will be rainbow chrome kaioken. Whats the point in discussing beast gohan? In 1.5 years he will have a new form Ultra Purple Beast. The show is garbage and you CAN NOT tell me these forms will NOT exist. Just wait patiently and consume whatever material the writers put out unitl 2099.

I never had a problem with GT. The travel in space reliving Dragonball was slow and underwhelming but once Baby was introduced it was great. It was great story. It ended well and it left you emotional. All the legends pass on and Goku leaving on the Dragon with a grandson that look just like him.

@GeteMachine

2 жыл бұрын

GT just semed better, because its arcs al tied in together and didn't feel as random and generic as Super's.

@fredbjamz4956

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeteMachine True. I agree. Plus I enjoyed them having consequences from over using the dragon balls

@kjo2130

2 жыл бұрын

GT was mediocre at BEST but I prefer it as a whole over DBS

@joelcudjoe3833

2 жыл бұрын

Wait I have a question did GT goku died in the end or did he went into the dragon realm?

@youtubeneedstochange4414

2 жыл бұрын

I really loved how it made Great Apes relevant again and Super Saiyan 4 in general is a goddamn national treaaure, I am enamored with that form in particular.

Dragonball fans fall into two categories... Those who stopped at Z and those who suffer from clinical depression...

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@ElissonDSouza

3 жыл бұрын

I stop in Gt, and i prefer to believe that Dbs never existed and Dbgt is cannon. if I had to give a note to these two I would give: Dbgt: 5/10 Dbs: 2/10

@wyattpeek429

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElissonDSouza if this makes you feel a bit better I heard a theory that super is canon to dbz kai and gt is canon to the original series

@a.liguria2698

3 жыл бұрын

Goddamn that is true for me! I suffer an high case of disillusion because of dbs just keeping to be a disappointing mess, AND STILL BEING CONSIDERED GOOD by seemingly the majority of fans!

@PanPickle095

3 жыл бұрын

I'm part of the "should've ended at Z" crowd.

These points are totally valid. Super is no where near the level of respect of Z. Terribly diluted quality and they made the characters stupid af

Completely agree. And they adopted this "let's give everyone a chance to shine, even the weakest and the most pathetic characters of all" philosophy, dispite it meant them completely ruining the power balance. Like let's give everyone a prize for participating bullshit mindset. Although Goku was a fight maniac, He wasn't stupid, unable to read his environment, childish, loud, abnoxious, moralless and so on like he is in Super and beyond. He was more calm, collected, he cared about those around him, he was able to read his environment and people around him, analitical, intelligent, and strategical in Z, but all that is gone in Super's Goku. Plus, Super and all its successors except for GT are like magic animes rather than martial arts and bio energy or "Ki"fighting animes. Basically Fate anime series with Dragon Ball Z characters. Vegeta also towards the end of Z had grown a lot. He was more humble, calm, he accepted that he is not number 1,, and collected. Unlike grumpy, irritable, arrogant, loud Vegeta in Super. Just all about Super had ruined all Z was and had built. I will confidently say that I just hated Super with all my gutts and even the gutts I don't have, all my life and even my after life.

Dbs fanboy: I bEt yOu wOn'T fInD 10 iSsUeS aBoUt dBs!! Saiyan Scholar: Hold my "what the hell happened".

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@M3rtyville

3 жыл бұрын

I could hold a lecture about all issues in Super and release books about it. There are that many.

@jameslopez5442

3 жыл бұрын

@@M3rtyville And there is a lot of issues in dragon ball gt too. But I still like it both have their flaws, But that doesn't stop me from thinking it was a good series.

@M3rtyville

3 жыл бұрын

@@jameslopez5442 Gt's flaws are mild compared to Super. Z and original Dragon Ball had also their flaws. Super's flaws are far more damaging. And there is more bad than good. I can't name anything good about Super from the top of my head. People that hate GT, even those who didn't watch it, can name things that are good about it.

@prosperlkg9250

3 жыл бұрын

@@M3rtyville If that show didn't had the word "dragon ball" attached to it nobody would have watched that trash

If I could sum up DBS in a one sentence it will be "Just add things, it will do great with the kids". Who cares about logic and established lore and world/character building.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@dillpickle7400

3 жыл бұрын

“dRagOn bAll dOeSnT hAvE cHaRaCtEr dEveLo-“ m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJdntceJdrzXpLw.html

@thejuicyjedijester4901

3 жыл бұрын

Not even just kids. It'll do well just because it's db.

I feel like Z was perfection, we want more Dragon Ball, but it’s never going to be as good as Z, specifically the Namek Saga was just.. peak story telling and quality.

@randomguyontheinternet8345

11 ай бұрын

I think the Cell Saga was better. It had so much going for it.

Z found multiple ways for the humans to contribute even tho they weren’t nearly as strong as the saiyans or the main villains, tien with the tri beam against cell all the humans who fought the saiyans and all the stuff krillin did on namek

The absolute truth can NEVER be debunked! Thank you, Scholar. This video does my soul good. BTW this review had more heart in it then the actual thing!

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Scholar! And that's why I'm sad... That this had more heart than WHAT WE DESERVED! 👊🏻

@jeffreytorres2539

3 жыл бұрын

Word I enjoyed watching you tear the show apart more than watching the show.

@givmespace

3 жыл бұрын

#GFM

@arjunkrishna8536

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaiyanScholar all things that i was hiding in my heart . you said it bro ,OUR THOUGHTS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. WE COULD BE GREAT FRIENDS

@treemane0

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreytorres2539 bruh😂

DBGT: Do you believe your own hype that much? DBS: I AM HYPE!!!!!

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@youngmagick8554

3 жыл бұрын

This!!

@carolpulma2734

3 жыл бұрын

Ssj4 Vegeta : kill him !

@indepth9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 nice bait. Toriyama never said he hated gt, he actually liked it. You only want to believe he hated it because you hate it. Your pathetic.

@AndrewGraves974

2 жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 pathetic

The best compliment I can give Super is "It's like a fan fiction that has a couple of cool scenes, yet it completely spits in the face of the original and every so often you feel like the authors never watched the original."

I miss being able to say "Goku is one of my favorite mc's" I can't do that now cuz A. Super exist B. I watched One Piece and JoJo's

@Black_Knight_-BK-

8 ай бұрын

Z Goku was my hero

That DISGRACE part will never get old

@tentaplayz3691

2 жыл бұрын

Looll

What you said about Goku made me realize why I disliked Goku recently. He used to be one of my favorite characters in DBZ, someone I looked up to, and was happy and excited to see him enter the battlefield, and even then it wasn't just a straight win, he genuinely struggled. The other characters may not be as strong as he is, but you knew they could keep up with him. And Goku always seemed to do the right thing for the right reasons. Sure, he liked fighting, and he enjoyed fighting against other strong fighters, but he still loved the life he had. It was clear he cared for his family and friends to not want to see them get hurt. And yet... Super's Goku felt incredibly dumb, insensitive, and whiney. He didn't seem to care about his family, he just cared about fighting strong people and getting stronger himself. That's all he ever cares about in Super, and eating lots of food I guess. He became stupid, regressing back to his first appearance in Dragon Ball before Bulma found him. It really felt like he didn't care for anyone, he was just happy to be able to fight against strong guys. Heck, apparently, according to Vegeta, non royal Saiyans can't love their family. Excuse me, WHAT? Goku being a Saiyan should NOT be the excuse for every stupid thing he does in Super. Not only does it retcon a lot of DBZ's lore of Saiyans, and Goku as a character, but it just feels like something Toriyama pulled out his butt as his excuse for making Goku incredibly dumb and selfish. And hearing that apparently Goku was always meant to be portrayed as this rather than the heroic Goku in the English dub just made me dislike Goku in Z now, feeling like that Goku was a lie. No matter how you look at it, Super's Goku is not Goku. It's just a shell of Goku, stripped of his personality, and only given the trait of loving to fight, and acting like a completely idiot that apparently people love.

@joshuahackshaw7703

2 жыл бұрын

No you are definitely right

@viruschris3160

Жыл бұрын

I believe it’s that usually for Non-royal Saiyans to get marry as its consider abnormal in their society or very minor thing that concurs. I mean in Bardock: Father of Goku it didn’t seem like Bardock cared about his wife or mother of his sons too. They seem to expand that a bit more recently.

@DarkFoxKit

Жыл бұрын

@@viruschris3160 Which do you consider 'canon' in the Dragon Ball universe? The manga or the special? Because apparently in the manga, Bardock *did* actually care for his wife. Besides, even if that were the case, that still doesn't make it okay. It was something that was only brought up in Super. In Z, while Goku isn't father (or husband) of the year, he was still protrayed as caring about his family as opposed to Super where he mostly acts like a child who ditches them just because he didn't want to do farm work.

@viruschris3160

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkFoxKit For Bardock? Sadly, the manga is more or less the “canon” one for the current story of Dragon Ball. Though I like the Special more and think it COULD still be canon to the series but with obvious tweaks. I miss the team of 5 Saiyans with all various looks, Bardock being a more typical Saiyan you expect from the warrior Saiyan race. The visions. While I love the introduction of Gine, even the game Dragon Ball gave her good spotlight for her, I wish it didn’t undermined the Special. And it was that Special that allowed Bardock to exist and Akira to add him in the Frieza saga. Yet it was swept under the rug.

@DarkFoxKit

Жыл бұрын

@@viruschris3160 Yeah. Truth be told, I really liked the Special too. And I like to think the reason why Saiyans didn't care about their mates is because of their culture, not because it's biological like Super seems to be heavily implying.

Why does no one ever mention the fact Mai should have been in her 50-60s in Future Trunks timeline. She was an adult when Goku was 12. I didn't know Trunks was a gilf guy.

@TheWazzoGames

Жыл бұрын

Fr 😂. Also making it Mai was just for the sole purpose of having someone recognizable to sell toys of. Super is absolutely soulless.

While the DBS has tarnished the original dragon ball franchise, we still have Dragon Ball fan mangas. Dragon Ball multiverse anyone?

So glad I came across this video. Always felt in the minority when I would say Super sucked and ruined Goku. Fans are in denial.

@joshuahackshaw7703

2 жыл бұрын

True

@zero1zerolast393

Жыл бұрын

i wouldn't say there in denial, just the few who like it. dragon ball super has done more damage to dbz than anything else. the fandom has only gone down as of late. to give you an idea of what I'm talking about, I remember people were still comparing dbz to shows all the way up to resurrection f. People were still talking about dbz, it fan creations, the hate for gt was still strong. i remember it all. then super came out, and all that began to die slowly. nowadays, only a few die hard are still acting like it was 10 years ago. it sad

@KyleEvra

Жыл бұрын

I kinda like Super but at the same time it does suck. XD

@Jac735

Жыл бұрын

the problem is its just like music if the new music is the it thing quote on quote people will like it cuz ots new and its music but not all new things are good I never lolee super never will watch it unless I have friends telling me watch this or watch that I'm the same with music and vars not all new things ate hoid that's just me

@snodog00

Жыл бұрын

I knew Super was going to suck from day 1. From Battle of Gods, I knew that if it wasn’t a stand alone film, they had ruined Dragonball. How? Because if they continued, all it was going to be was another, generic power creep show. Goku gets the power of a FUCKING GOD! Literally the Super Sayian GOD. No one should be able to stand up to him, period. Goku is now the strongest mortal to have ever lived and to even hint that anyone would even come close to strong enough was laughable. Instead, we have Vegeta achieving the same thing off screen, and now they have a new transformation, and now Gohan is just as strong, and now Freeza is slightly stronger but he can’t maintain the form. Wait… FREEZA? The guy who couldnt stand up to a normal, brand new Super Sayian that had a fraction of the power of a Full Powered Super Sayian? Which was half as strong as a Super Sayian 2? Which was also left behind by Super Sayian 3, Mystic Gohan, and fusion powers? Freeza is now STRONGER than not only a god, but a god with the power of a Super Sayian? How? Oh… he TRAINED FOR FOUR MONTHS?!?!?!?! THATS IT! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? And then it was all down hill from there. Now everyone is as strong as a god, other universes have people just as strong as Goku and Vegeta in base form just cause. New Sayians can turn Super Sayian 2 in a week. Everything that made Z great has been shit on or thrown out the window. Super is pure, unadulterated garbage and has been since its inception. I feel like Scholar is saying good things about the beginning only to soften the blow that Super is pure shit, because it was pure shit from the very beginning. There was NOTHING about the show that wasn’t generic and disrespectful to its past from DAY ONE. Ive never liked Super and to see everyone coming around because the initial hype has died down, the very same people who called me stupid or how i don’t know shit about Dragonball or whatever, are now making videos explaining why it sucks is frustrating at the least. Stop kidding yourself that Super was anything but a soulless, empty cash grab, because it wasn’t. Not even the parts that Scholar says he liked. They were shit wall to wall. Stop being blinded by nostalgia. Just because your favorite show is coming back doesnt make it good or even welcome. Remember that the creators have to actually care if you want your show to be anywhere near as good as it used to be.

I'll tell you what happened. Dragon Ball Z had a resurgence in popularity and some studio big wigs thought it would be a good idea to bring it back. when they made Dragon Ball Super, they ignored the shows that came before it and toned it down to be more kid friendly.

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻

@treemane0

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad we live in this times when only a few companies actually care about money more than content like toei which pretty much sums up what db is today, a cash cow. But because it's db it'll never die or lose popularity

@treemane0

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tommyplays47 true man but at least they deliver meaningful shit that's true to the comics and franchise

@brandonking5111

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tommyplays47 the MCU started off caring, but I feel like they stopped caring at some point in phase 3.

@brandonking5111

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tommyplays47 Endgame was not a good movie. I thought I liked it at first, but that was just because of the hype. after some time passed, I realized that it actually sucks. most major character development happened off screen. it completely wasted opportunities for good storytelling that was built up. Bruce Banner and the Hulk becoming one happened off screen, despite being built up since the Incredible Hulk. Iron Man learning how to forgive not only Captain America, but also his own dad. Rocket dealing with the loss of the Guardians of the Galaxy, which was built up in the second Guardians movie. Captain America undid his character arc from Age of Ultron when he said that he didn't want a family anymore. Black Widow didn't even get her own funeral, she had one scene where everyone was sad and that was it. her death should have been devastating on Hulk, since their romance had been built up in Age of Ultron. Thanos in Endgame is a different Thanos than the one in Infinity War, so this movie gives us no reason to care about him since his personality is different. Captain Marvel didn't even need to be in the movie because she contributed nothing that couldn't be done by other characters. if the Infinity Stones being gone is so bad, then why hasn't the main MCU timeline been completely destroyed by not having Infinity Stones for 5 years? why didn't the Avengers go back in time to when Thanos had all the Infinity Stones, just slightly before the snap and cut his head off while Thor was trying to make Thanos suffer? if Captain America traveled back in time to an alternate timeline and never returned, how did he show up in the main timeline as an old man? especially since Hulk literally stated in this movie why that wouldn't work. why did they ruin a potentially great scene where Iron Man and Nebula find their way to Earth by having Captain Marvel just randomly find and save them? it would've worked much better if they had Iron Man get back using only his genius and limited tech. it would mirror Iron Man 1 perfectly and it would've worked great seeing as it was Iron Man's last movie. one scene that I really liked was when Ant-Man made it back to the world to find half of everyone gone. I was expecting some heartwarming dialogue with him and his daughter, but it never came and it was just skipped over. Star-Lords return to Earth should've been a big moment for him, seeing as he hasn't been there since he was a kid. I know they couldn't have that much time to do much, seeing as the movie has a lot of characters, but I would've liked to see him look around or saying something about Earth, but we didn't get anything close.

Toriyama began pissing on Yamcha very early on, shipping Bulma with Vegeta for some awful reason, crapping on the heads of original DB fans. Generally, disrespecting the past was always a great problem in this show, it began with the very introduction of Saiyans, which de facto made every human character a joke, rendered martial arts useless, and pretty much destroyed the show for me as an original DB fan. Even in the Cell saga, all of the androids (the old man and the fat guy, does anyone remembers them?) become a joke once Cell comes, and even Cell becomes a joke and replaced with a better Cell. Truly, somewhere around the middle of Z, it's become clear that you cannot bond with any character in this show without feeling cheated, excluding the by-that-point-boring-as-hell Goku and Vegeta

@buster3041

Жыл бұрын

See most fans don't want to admit that lol.

There are to many prodigy's in dragon Ball now it's a prodigy bargain sale lol

The passionate “that dragon ball fan” speech at the beginning rivals Goku’s super saiyan speech on namek. That passion, preach! Literally your video at that point alone is already better than most other db youtubers videos put together. Bravo my friend 👏🏼

@SaiyanScholar

3 жыл бұрын

👊🏻 Thank you Scholar.

@GhostGamer25

3 жыл бұрын

Preach for the true speaker of the community! 👍

@VK-95

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaiyanScholar gt has bad things but super simpely 99% of time sucks

“That Dragonball fan who would stay up all night playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 late at night” That line was when I knew this video was going to be 🔥.

@Notthefather91

2 жыл бұрын

Bringing back memories

@justinharris2272

2 жыл бұрын

Why can't they make a game as good as Tenkaichi 3 bro why

@dodumichalcevski

Жыл бұрын

literally made me tear up good old times 💪

I agree with almost everything you said. I grew up watching daily episodes of DBZ on Toonami. I am even old enough to remember experiencing the the constant restart of the show once it got to a certain episode of the Namek Saga, and having to watch the whole thing over again day by day. DBZ is better in almost every way to Super. With that said, I still enjoy Super for what it is: a comedy action show. Am I bummed that every character not named Goku or Vegeta is an afterthought? Yes. Am I demoralized because my boy Gohan gets his return to form tease, only to go back to his studies? Absolutely. Was I let down with Goku Black? You bet your ass. Despite all of that, I still enjoyed the show. It made me laugh and it entertained me. Beerus, while admittedly underused, is one of my all time favorite DB characters. I can’t be too hateful towards a show that gave me Beerus. Anyway, I totally respect your opinions and agree with most of them, but I still think Super is a fun show to watch.

@Lucrei.

10 ай бұрын

Super didn't give you Beerus though. Battle of Gods gave Whis & Beerus. Super was meant to make them better characters, but it doesn't. They just become worse

Probably Hot take: Cell saga was the end of the Dragon ball series for me. After that everything else went downhill from there. That doesn't mean I wanted Cell to come back (like they did with Frieza) but he was the best villain for the anime to end on.

@Medachod

7 ай бұрын

Plus it was written for Goku to pass the torch to his son. It made perfect sense as a conclusion to the series.

@oscarg332

5 ай бұрын

For me the buu saga was good only because of how random it was , and Hercules character development was perfect , vegetas sacrifice, the introduction of gotten and gohan future wife Videl

I’m just now watching it after not watching it in high school when it came out. I can’t stand it. They truly ruined Goku. It’s so out of character for him to just straight up not care about the fate of Trunks’ timeline and also the other universes. All he cares about is fighting strong people. He’s always been childlike, but not to this extent. EDIT: I also think GT is leagues better than Super.

@joshuahackshaw7703

2 жыл бұрын

Understandable

@Contemplatingspider

Жыл бұрын

Y’all mad picky

@NOTCOLEADA

Жыл бұрын

I just don’t think you understand Goku’s character which is fine but stop pretending that you do.

@zaneyates98

Жыл бұрын

@@NOTCOLEADA I’ve read and watched dragon ball for years. This is just my personal take. There’s not some objective character surrounding Goku. He’s more or the less the poster child for the stereotypical protagonist, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

@joshuahackshaw7703

Жыл бұрын

@@NOTCOLEADA really