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@jordanglasper1064

6 ай бұрын

Much appreciated God. Helluva video.

The reality is, in Dragonball multiple main characters are topping/surpassing each other at certain point of the story.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

yeah you hit the hammer on the nail

Energy detection is something that requires concentration. Everyone was focusing on goku vs vegeta so they didnt pay attention to beast gohan

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Something to consider 🤔

@doom7607

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBirdand distance as well I’ve seen people say “goku and vegeta noticed fat buu but not cell max” when they’re really close to fat buu and cell max is… on the other side of the universe

@KirboDreamland

6 ай бұрын

Don't forget about screen time, I think if they noticed beast's ki then the screen time would undeniably be longer. So they would like to avoid that for writing purposes

@KirboDreamland

6 ай бұрын

"Movie screen time"

@gene081976

6 ай бұрын

Also consider in RoF, Goku can already sense Gohan’s ki from Beerus planet… and that was a lazy, going easy Gohan who forgotten his warrior spirit. In other words a weaker Gohan than in BoG. He couldn’t even go SSJ2 or Ultimate. Sensing ki from Beerus planet isn’t really a good indicator of power level anymore because Goku and Vegeta can sense most ki from that distance already due to their honed training.

That Gohan got that strong in a few days makes his potential far less than Broly's as Broly got more powerful than the two Pure Bloods in under an hour.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Good point actually

@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838

6 ай бұрын

Fun fact. 17! Has more potential than gohan. Bro was weaker than both gohan and cell

@Diego_5250

6 ай бұрын

In a few days??? Gohan has literally been training

@agentnukaz1715

6 ай бұрын

Broly easily has the greatest potential but he's old and can't control his power so gohan is probably stronger.

@Diego_5250

6 ай бұрын

@@agentnukaz1715 what. Dude saiyans literally dont get old till like 80 or some shit what are u talking sbt

I can’t wait for it to take about 3 and half years for this next arc play out 😭

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

Its really disrespectful how goku and vegeta were trying so hard non stop just to be surpassed by gohan with no real training. If gohan surpassed that is.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

@mstr293

6 ай бұрын

Ikr? Even if Gohan was training, him and Piccolo doesn't have the same quality of training Goku and Vegeta has with Beerus and Whis. Unbeknownst to most people, the trainer/coach is also part of the equation.

@magicmarker737

6 ай бұрын

Tell me you never watched z without telling me you never watched z.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

@@magicmarker737

@Scalerlord

6 ай бұрын

DBS is shit show now

Oh hell yea. My money is on Ultra Instinct Mastered Goku. I can’t wait to see this clash. Beast Gohan vs UIM Goku. Everything you said and regarding Goku’s in Vegito not being able to sense go hon, is accurate to a team. With evidence you provided as to why. Damn I can’t wait. Exceptionally damn good video m!!!

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Really, most people say Gohan but MUI huh. Goku is that guy so I wouldn't be surprised.

@Bane2TuffAtBall

6 ай бұрын

Goku deserves to win but unfortunately Gohan is wiping the floor with Goku next chapter.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

@@Bane2TuffAtBall Think so Darth?

@Bane2TuffAtBall

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird my reasoning is if Orange Piccolo really is on par with UI and UE and he lost to Cell Max who at full power is around on par with Beast Gohan, then Gohan Beast should relatively easily beat UI Goku.

@pressurefrmtheraw1072

6 ай бұрын

Im still blown how krillins kick stunned cell max in the movie. He kicked saliva out of him 😂😂😂😂 ultimate krillin lmao the officer badge gave him that boost

Gohans form looks like ultra instinct combined with ultra ego atleast visualy... BTW I would really love to see a fusion between Gohan and Broly someone like Groly to beat black frieza

@notmephisto1375

6 ай бұрын

Bruh.. you mean Brohan.

Beast gohan definitely isn’t the strongest. He’s probably above goku and Vegeta but not by much. Black Frieza would still one shot him and there’s no reason to believe Frieza stopped training after the granolah arc. Hopefully this is finally put to rest next chapter.

@KennDolf

6 ай бұрын

Thinking about that now they probably gonna have beast fight frieza alone and maybe when like goku or sb shows up to help him he’s gonna get caught lacking thus leading goku and vegeta to jump him or fuse

Gohan is the wild card of dragon ball

idk, I still feel that the Oracle Fish's prophecy is not about either of them. I do really think either probably foreseeing Goku's vast potential and finally entering the domain of the Gods forever not just for quite a while or probably Uub's existence in the verse because we already saw how he gave Goku a massive zenkai boost with that seemingly bottomless amount of God Ki he donated and he wasn't even exhausted in the process and mind you he's just around 6yrs old that time. I am kinda leaning into my own head canon/hypothesis that it might be Uub.

No offense but I’m tired of people saying Gohan reached SSJB Level in days. Gohan has literally said He trains in the Gravity Room since RoF in the Manga and is seen Training with Piccolo before the Universe 6 Tournament. RoF takes place 2 years before the ToP mind you, So Gohan’s Potential isn’t that massive.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Well for that to somehow equivalate, Universe 6 Tournament and All of the Goku Black Arc just by doing standard training at this point. That's impressive either way.

@SonZackSSJ9k

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird I’m just saying, People say that for 2 reasons: They don’t watch DBS or they do it because they meatride Gohan.

@kleber_felinto

6 ай бұрын

Well, before the U6 arc, base gohan was equal to piccolo, cuz both piccolo and gohan are shown with the same damage/scratches and both were tired, piccolo was also without his weights. Piccolo showcased feats of blocking tired final form frost with one hand, and also took his death beam on propurse could regenerate and could grab and hold frost with one arm, so that means the gap betweem them isn't big. Tired final form frost could be comparable to his 3rd form which was relative to base U6 goku, so U6 arc piccolo and base gohan are still relative to U6 arc base goku who was already far above ssj god goku from BoG.

@SonZackSSJ9k

6 ай бұрын

@@kleber_felinto U6 Tournament takes place sometime after RoF so my point still stands.

@nicolaasvanvliet-hg3iu

6 ай бұрын

@@SonZackSSJ9kactually I just forgot the show does a terrible job reminding you.

Why can't u all wait 2 more days for the full release of the manga ? But no, you have to f*ck everything up with the spoilers.

as far as im concerned, the peaking order is: black freiza tui goku ego vegeta granolah broly beast gohan orange piccolo gamma 2 17 buu

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

hmmm 🤔

@unosuyoutube7866

6 ай бұрын

The manga proved you wrong

@qtindavis433

6 ай бұрын

it didnt but nice try@@unosuyoutube7866

Crazy how gohan doing a basic few months of training or the absolute minimum, can catch up to people who have been training their entire life, or training with angels and gods.😂

@specialnewb9821

6 ай бұрын

Goku said it: 6 year old keeping up with grown life long martial artists means his potential is unsurpassed.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Gohan is just insane man. Always has been

@ItchiestBum

6 ай бұрын

If Gohan bothers learning God Ki it's over for Goku and Vegeta

@ibechuu9695

6 ай бұрын

@ItchiestBum dude doesn't need to. All he needs to do is a couple of push ups and he'll be ready for Black Frieza 😂

@ItchiestBum

6 ай бұрын

@@ibechuu9695 He drops his snickers and cries a little too hard and gets a rage amp

Vegeta didn’t put a scratch on Cell whatsoever he just surprised him. Then cell put him down

Gohan have problems against a weakened Cell max, while Cell max is weaker than Broly, who was suprased by Goku and Vegeta, as easy as that

HEY! Do you think silver hair ui goku could have beaten Lss broly in the movie ? super saiyan god goku is stronger than vegeto super saiyan, meaning Fusion ss

Tier 1- Beerus Tier 2- black frieza Tier 3- Ue and Ui Tier 4- Fp broly Tier 5- Beast gohan Tier 6- Cell max Tier 7- Orange piccolo(Not on ue and uis level) Tier 8- gammas

@gammafrost

6 ай бұрын

I agree with this list for the most part but still believe full power Broly is above ui goku and ue Vegeta. He was able to handle himself really well against Gogeta and even tho they have ultra forms, they’re still not anywhere close to their fusion.

@jthatruth9975

6 ай бұрын

Yeah movie broly is still stronger than them except beast he's on par with a complete cell max.

@juanmanrique4395

6 ай бұрын

@@jthatruth9975his stronger than cell max (imperfect) and thus stronger than beast gohan since they made the comparison to him not gohan. Trained Broly is the strongest,

@jthatruth9975

6 ай бұрын

@@juanmanrique4395 it makes sense for beast to be over broly since he rivals perfect cell max narratively.

I have to completely disagree with the statement, Vegeta put some dents into super perfect cell because after vegeta went ballistic on cell he jumped out of the smoke and wasnt visibly damaged at all.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Vegeta passed his aura is what I was getting at. The blast made contact with him

@alastair346

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird Oh yeah right sorry i misunderstood what you stated.

Gohon been confirmed to be the strongest since he was born

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

#MahinBird how you say Piccolo has not saw Goku since Broly if they help with the final fight against Moro and his men like O.G 73 so they had to see that fight as well not Vegetas U.E form but Goku using M.U.I from learning it with Merus I'm Just Saiyan HGD ✌️

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Well I think you should rewatch that part.

@ssjxbrandon1

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird not rewatch it was in the manga

Ya'll woulda never imagined anyone one shotting ultra goku and vegeta at the same time besides beerus so aafe to assume frieza is at least in the same ball park. Gohan cant be that strong cus there'd be no threat.

@selfishbeats

6 ай бұрын

the grand priest could also do that, you think you have a point but you really don't

EY I found someone who watches the show

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😇

Don't forget akira forgot that ssj3 was the long hair and ssj2 as the long hair so we can't be sure

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Yeah he does tend to forget things

Ngl gang I don’t even care who wins I’m just glad gohan can compete 💀 he really is the definition of: run me my shit 😂

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

yeah really lmao, He catches up everytime bro

@exegamer27

6 ай бұрын

I really care who wins if Goku wins akira done messed up if Gohan wins then good

I feel gohan could learn other ppl moves like he did with piccolo special beam cannon

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

it's not a big feat anymore, it's just a natural Saiyan feat overall. Goku learned Kamehameha by just looking how Roshi was doing it, Goku learned Hakai without training and almost kill an immortal in the process, Broly learned how to fight properly while fighting two Saiyan prodigies.

Well, Frieza Black powered up to spar with Goku and Vegeta... was Frieza's power felt as far as Gas' planet, earth or Beerus' planet?

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Good question🤔

@gammafrost

6 ай бұрын

He didn’t power up to spar with them 😂😂😂. He one shotted them to show just how far above he was. He didn’t train for a decade for nothing.

I want them to put a multiplier on super saiyan god so badly man. It would make everything so much easier for me.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

@scrumt9284

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird We need a new dragon ball super guide asap with details like the super exciting guide

@ItchiestBum

6 ай бұрын

SSG has to be 1000x (above 2x SSJ3) at least for Beerus to acknowledge it the way he did. SSGSS would be 50x SSG SSGSS Kaioken is 2x blue UI Sign, I have zero clue UI (Actual UI is the silver haired form) is maybe 2x sign? If more he would've blitzed Full Power Jiren. This is just what I think I could easily be wrong.

They depowered manga Gohan a bit imo. In the movie he busted through Cell Max's final attack with minimal effort. In the manga they were evenly matched in attacks until Goten and Trunks kicked away the hand Cell Max was using to push the attack.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Hm. elaborate

@specialnewb9821

6 ай бұрын

​@MajinBird in the film when the makankosappo and Cell's energy ball connect there is a second focused on them, and then the beam breaks through and kills Cell Max. In the manga cell takes more damage, his wings are gone. Then when the beam and energy ball clash, they are evenly matched long enough for both of them to make yells of effort and Gamma screams "push!" Then Goten and Trunks kick the hand Cell was using to push the energy ball out of the way and the beam cuts through. None of those things happened in the film. So to me that Gohan had to make a visible effort against a more damaged Cell MAX and Gamma 1 felt the need to encourage him + the clash going on longer suggests either Cell was stronger or Gohan was weaker than the film.

my scaling for super hero characters comes like this : the gammas are super saiyan blue level (broly movie) orange piccolo is mui t.o.p or it a little bit stronger beast gohan is moro 73 level or a bit stronger below this is a lowball above this is a hyperbole what you think ?

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Hmm, so you think Black Frieza Gas and such are above him or nah

@hope14359

6 ай бұрын

@MajinBird yes I think they are above him gas not by that much but frieza will give the goku and vegeta treatment but I know toriyama wouldn't give a shit about commun sense or logic he will do it if the fans like it or more correct toei will do it

@hope14359

6 ай бұрын

@MajinBird I worte a long ass essay and no one will read all that 😭

@doom7607

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@hope14359 Why would the gammas be broly movie level when piccolo has seen a stronger version of goku (Moro arc mui)

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

You got discord? I'd happily read it

Dr hedo will make so cell max perfect or Gamma cell

Personally I don't believe Gohan is stronger than goku, vageta and broly. Some of the statements made for the super heros was just to hype it up. Saying Gohan is the strongest/ strongest battle ever then say cell max is weaker than broly is a contradiction. Then piccolo comparing goku and vageta's to the gammas but yet he can't sense god ki. Gohans only feat was beating someone weaker than broly whereas broly is stronger than a ssj gogeta but weaker than ssb gogeta (at the time of the movie. Broly is stronger now) , goku and vageta is weaker than gas who aside from frieza and gods was the strongest in the universe.

So wait Gohan Beast is weaker than Moro 73 pre Merus?

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

as long as they don't possess God Ki they will lose to Moro. Moro will feed upon their power with relative ease. people are forgetting how menace and strong Moro was, he made an Angel interfere due to how dire their situation was.

you putting any stock into power levels now is beyond pointless. A reused form with a reused scene gets the unexplained push to beyond Angel form? lol mmmkay

Oh, jezzuz dude. Gohan is simply the strongest. Toriyama knows how strong Goku and Vegeta are. Juxtaposing fans assumptions with a flat "Gohan is the top of the pecking order claim." Simply makes him the strongest. Where the story goes from this point is how the validity of the claim gets refuted. Not by adding extra parameters to the claim of the author of who they designate to be the strongest in their story/universe.

Will make dr hedo cell max him or hot Again

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

🤔

Ngl, Idc how much "potential" Gohan has. Which seems like a way for them to make fan favorites stronger when they want with bad writing because they "potential". There's no way he's passing Goku and Vegeta with a couple of days of training compared to their constant training. That's just bad writing

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

this is what I'm saying for a long time. imagine you're just doing push ups, sit ups, squats and some shadow boxing alone and somehow you surpassed me who's training with Freddie Roach for God knows how long. it's bullshit. Toriyama just have a soft spot for Gohan because he's his favourite character.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

🤔

I think the current power scale goes like this S: Beerus, Blue Fusions, Beast Gohan, Black Frieza, Full Power Cell Max A: Full Power Broly, Incomplete Cell Max B: UI Goku, UE Vegeta, Orange Piccolo C: SSBE Vegeta D: Ultimate Gohan, Gammas, Blue Goku&Vegeta F: Ultimate Piccolo, SSG Goku& Vegeta, SSJ Gohan In this scale a two tier difference equals a no diff slam for the higher character. Ex: Black Frieza no diffs UI and UE and Orange Piccolo no diffs Gamma 2

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Beerus above all huh lol,

@Bane2TuffAtBall

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird tbh I’ve had my doubts but I rested the case when the statement about Black Frieza being possibly relative to Beerus came out. He either got surpassed in the ToP or he’s still on top no in between.

@reign1594

6 ай бұрын

Straight up incorrect

@atharvvishnuvajhala3944

6 ай бұрын

F tier is completely wrong. Every other is tier I can see.

@ashanime5655

6 ай бұрын

Beeris Beast Gohan black freiza Blue fusion TUI Goku Ue Goku Mui goku Broly Orange piccolo Potential gohan Gammas Ssjbe vegeta Potential piccolo Ssjb Goku and vegeta

Db is the only show that fans say no to the creator Akira:gohan is the atrongest z warrior Fans:no goku solos Akira:perfect cell max would take broly Fans:no goku solos Akira:Broly surpass goku and vegeta Fans:no goku solos

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

Gohan Beast should be above MUI Goku from thr TOP Arc but thats about it. And a lot stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta from the Broly Movie. But still weaker thab Ultra FP Jiren from the anime and SSB Gogeta from the Broly Movie. Also a lot slower than MUI Goku from the TOP arc let alone the Granola and Moro arc xd.

Yall tripping... Forgetting the fact that they've held broly back forever now.. hes made 2 ssjb and a golden frieza run for there lifes.. and holding his own cs gogeta blue.. brolly will pass them all again

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😱

@gammafrost

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s inevitable Broly will gain even more power after controlling his mind. Now imagine if and when he adds god ki.

@commentstealer4460

6 ай бұрын

Broly didn't hold his own with SSJB , he got his ass whooped

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

@@commentstealer4460 it was against a combined effort of two Saiyan Gods who fused together to fight him. Broly held his own against Gogeta.

@commentstealer4460

6 ай бұрын

@@eetfuk3571 bro how tf is landing 0 hits called holding your own?

Where are the toxic Gohan haters

Bro ima db fan and you makin us look bad. Bro does not read at all ☠️ goku litteraly said he was fighting vegeta and was focused on him that’s why he couldn’t sense gohan before. Bro come on man

They're not even gonna end up fighting lmao

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

dont say that 😡

Anime cell max is INSANELY WEAKER THEN MANGA CELL MAX in the manga gohan was having a hard time with cell max and the anime one gohan was not so gohan is weaker then mui goku

Gohan beast > cell max>>> black freezer >>>>true u.i goku= u.e vegeta = piccolo orange

@jthatruth9975

6 ай бұрын

Black frieza >>>>>>>gohan beast>broly >t.u.i goku>u.e vegeta>cell max>orange piccolo

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

interesting

I'll take the list like this Z: Beerus S+: Fusions, Gohan Beast, Black Freeza S: UI Goku, UE Vegeta, OP, Broly, Cell Max A: Gammas, blue Goku and Vegeta, Gas, Granolah

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Beerus above it all huh lol

@selfishbeats

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird very easily, it's always been implied that. even in the TOP.

Goku > Memehan Blanco

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

how come

Lets be hinest beast gohon is ugly bring back mystic

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

i think they did mystic pretty dirty man

manga goku said it himself "UI has no weaknesses I just need more training". So even if his foe is stronger he'd win by virtue of dodging everything

@meachy1

6 ай бұрын

no

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

do elaborate

@Underworldwarrior1

6 ай бұрын

And you said it yourself. He needs more training Which he did not have until now

@someguynamedsteve3753

6 ай бұрын

Black Frieza, Granolah, and Gas would like to have a word

@selfishbeats

6 ай бұрын

but you can still get hit in UI.

Dude he can not beat black frieza

@selfishbeats

6 ай бұрын

not at all, not even close. I can't even buy into beast being better than UI and UE.

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

I dont think i said he does? Did I?

the reason goku and vegeta couldnt sense beast gohan and cell max cuz they were fighting , beerus and whis were asleep and reserection F goku had to foucus so hard to sense gohan to teleport there i give this fight to gohan cuz you see the only thing cell max laked to become perfect was mind not strength dr hedo said that there for in pure strength he is around brolys level and beast gohan displayed way more domination in this fight than ssb gogeta vs broly , so gohan is stronger than ssb gogeta and he will give goku and vegeta the black frieza treatment

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

I see i see

Black frieza>>>>>>>gohan beast>broly> tui goku> ue vegeta>cell max> orange piccolo

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Ah so you think Black Frieza is just God right now huh

@jthatruth9975

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird black frieza is at the cusp of beerus

@reign1594

6 ай бұрын

​@@jthatruth9975no

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

Black Frieza > UI Goku > UE Vegeta = Granolah > FPSS Broly > Gohan Beast > Cell Max until I was proven wrong, I will hold this statement for quite a long time for now.

goku’s dad strength fucks gohan up

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😂

Cell max will come back or not

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

hard to say but I hope so

@Arcad1010

6 ай бұрын

Let cell die out …same goes for frieza

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

@@Arcad1010 Cell, yes. especially Cell Max he's just a mindless beast. Frieza? no. he's probably their favourite rival now and especially Goku nowadays is just seeing Frieza as a competitor not as a villain or a threat just like Frieza himself since Goku made him train just to keep up with him. they're the best frenemies now.

@Arcad1010

6 ай бұрын

@@eetfuk3571 it’s tiresome db recycling these villains. They need to go away forever.

@eetfuk3571

6 ай бұрын

@@Arcad1010 sounds like Frieza isn't a villain anymore now since the Tournament of Power Arc where he was literally willing to throw himself out of the arena along with Jiren tied with his arms just to save his universe and forgetting about claiming the Super Dragon Ball for himself.

oh bro I've been debating so many many people on this topic and oh boy they all were like your opinion doesn't matter and toriyama soad it so its official and they realy forgot how much of a troll toriyama is the guy forget so much thinghs from his own series like lunch or super saiyan and his statements are mostly inconsistent back when battle of gods was released toriyama simple power scale was goku is a 6 beerus is 10 and whis is 15 and goku grew thousands to millions of times stronger shouldn't he be a 10 now or a 12 and the second statement its says "beast gohan is stronger than anyone or so its sad" implying either its not toriyama or it wasnt his idea to make him the strongest and another thing gohan didn't become god level in days it took him a year he was training since the goku black arc and there's a year of time skip between it and the t.o.p but we were just shown a littel footage of it and look lets put all statements behind lets just use commun sense when was the last time we saw gohan active during the moro arc right he was at his peak then and didnt slack on his training and he was litterlay unable of even seeing ui sign goku moving and now skip to the super hero arc which is at least 2 years later and we can judje by pan's age she was 1 year old at the end of the moro arc and she's 3 years old in the movie and and we didnt saw gohan do any effort for yhe whole granola arc he said he was training in secret of he was then how wasnt he able to lift the clothes he was wearing in the cell games and why he needed to see pan in danger and most important how the hell he couldnt since piccolo's ki even pan could is this gohan after training for 2 years ? yeah good joke and then he get a form out no where without any foreshadowing and boom now he can 2 shot the form he wasnt even able to see and also goku got even stronger since the moro arc how does this male sense for god sake ? If try to use moments like against freiza and raditz as an auregment they all were momentarily just like the my bulma scene for vegeta and dont even try to comapre it to super saiyan 2 gohan trained a year straight to master super saiyan and super saiyan 2 was foreshadowed unlike this goofy Christmas tree looking form in conclusion i always wanted gohan and piccolo to get their own arc but not like this not to make the levwls that hard even gods themselves look children's play for them and now gohan can spam this and use it on mere humman what hell is worng with toei and akira respect my brian as a fan god damn it ☠️

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

holy cow

@hope14359

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird told you I have truama with this topic 😭

@therealpat_

6 ай бұрын

This the typa essay my college professors woulda asked me to write towards the end of the semester.. Blud said “In conclusion” 💀

@hope14359

6 ай бұрын

​@patwills733 yeah had to make it clean as hell 🗣🔥

I said this once in the server (cough SHAMELESS PLUG TO YOUR SERVER), it happened once with the Broly movie. Promotional material was claiming that Gogeta is stronger than Vegito. Although it may be true in a timekine standpoint where Broly arc Gogeta is stronger than a Zamasu arc Vegito, it may be implied that a Broly arc Vegito loses to a Gogeta which power wise, it's incorrect. So promotional material saying that Gohan is the strongest warrior or it's the strongest battle in all of history, this is probably Dragon Ball going through the loop of hype and it's probably not even THAT big of a deal. Piccolo also makes a lot of calls in the movie. Guessing that the Gammas are stronger than Goku and Vegeta and that Cell Max could defeat Goku and Vegeta even if they go all out. But the problem here is that Piccolo can't sense God Ki, so he can only put a possibility, but not a define answer. Unless I skipped over something that now lets Piccolo sense that sort of Ki. I think we need another year of chapter releases then we'll have a bit of more concrete answer on how strong Gohan is. Except we still gotta put an asterisk in a lot of things cause although it's stated that Superhero takes place after Granolah arc, there's still two continuities and Gohan is implied to be on par in the manga with Cell Max while Gohan dominates in the movie. So we need more context on both medias. After we get through Total Dragonrama. I feel like I reached a bit too far, I lost myself at the end. 🪦

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

4CTUS my guy

To go from needing help w dyspo to that idc who stronger gohan been on good shit lately. I like manga gohan that tied w kefla in the t.o.p better... i liked gas better than cell max as a villain but hated goku and vegeta had the arc to themselves so wasnt too hyped about that arc or broly.... Why they had to make cell max big i wanted good hands being thrown 🤦‍♂️😒

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😶

4 min

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

?

@newguytourist7018

6 ай бұрын

@@MajinBird When I seen the video it was out for 4 min

Didn´t Gohan Beast almost lost to Cell Max while needing a ton of suport in the manga. So Broly>Cell Max>Gohan>Sssj blue Goku and Vegeta. And Moro is above Broly.

@Marcos-uj1rt

6 ай бұрын

"Almost lost"?... Jeez... Seems like a curbstomp in anime, and Manga shows relative easy Gohan wins against him... What exactly are you talking about? Suport characters are like: you aren't useless in plot.

@Anguish88

6 ай бұрын

The Manga has nothing to do with the movie and runs separately from the anime. Do not compare them as the same.

@Anguish88

6 ай бұрын

Beast gohan is the strongest z fighter and its confirmed

@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot

6 ай бұрын

@@Marcos-uj1rt I mean that he almost lost the bean struggle and needed Goten and Trunks to distract Cell Max. He even said without the Gammas he wouldn't have won.

@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot

6 ай бұрын

@@Anguish88 Toriyama refered to Broly as the strongest. Beast Gohan can't defeat Cell Max individualy in the manga.

GOKU FUCKING BEATS GOHAN

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

😵

Pretty sure Superhero happened shortly after the Granohla arc. Either around the same time or within months after. It would explain why no one had seen Goku or Vegeta for some time as they were training on Beerus’s planet both before and after the Granohla arc. The tier probably looks like this 1: Whis 2:Beerus 3: Gohan (or Frieza) 4: Frieza (or Gohan) 5: Full Power Broly 6: Cell Max 7 Goku/Vegeta 8: Piccolo 9: Gammas Gohan has always been able to do less than Goku or Vegeta and achieve more. Just like Frieza and now Broly. Those three survive off of straight talent. Goku and Vegeta are just power hungry martial arts geniuses. They aren’t necessarily gifted power wise. Piccolo is just as gifted martial arts wise… he’s just not a saiyan.

Goku is still going to win but its going to be a close fight

@Arcad1010

6 ай бұрын

He is the main lead 😂 there is no way he will not become the strongest

@MajinBird

6 ай бұрын

Not mad at that take