UBC Free Speech Club does it again. Your efforts keep us informed and prepared to face the world we live in. Thank you!

@FreeSpeechClub

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We hope to bring more videos VERY soon!

@Rob42099

5 жыл бұрын

Jordon Peterson doesn't know shit about Marxism. His talks have been fact checked and corrected countless times and yet you have him speak at your school? Why? Do you want your audience to be dumber and misinformed?

@jjmcweaver4522

5 жыл бұрын

@Jay L all due respect I fully agree but you wont convince anyone by calling them an asshat...funny as it may be. I'll concede that some are to stubborn to admit defeat and with all the info out there available it's hard to imagine someone can really believe such garbage in good faith anymore. Like the French intellectuals and our post modernist friends.

How many times do I go on KZread for something, and get sidetracked by Jordan Peterson? Many, and it's a good thing

@FreeSpeechClub

5 жыл бұрын

it's ALWAYS a good thing!

@Lordcurzon321

5 жыл бұрын

Same here...

@kevinbarton1661

5 жыл бұрын

I would rather know and live for real purposes than listen to. Indoctrination from a Man with a belly button like mine.

I have never in my life heard a person speak so intelligently in my life. Dr. Peterson your words are like milk and honey to my soul.

The name of Pol Pot‘s Sorbonne educated adviser is Khieu Samphan - unfortunately still alive, but at least currently serving a life sentence for his role in the terror of the bloody Khmer Rouge. He still denies any wrongdoing and claims complete ignorance and innocence regarding the genocide of 750,000 to 2 Million people.

Postmodernism isn’t philosophy, it is an attempt to destroy philosophy. It is sophistry.

@mizaelmendez3843

5 жыл бұрын

Violet Canzonetti EEEEEEEEEEEXXXAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Thank you!

@timberrr1126

2 жыл бұрын

Postmodernism: Reason is oppression

@timberrr1126

2 жыл бұрын

Postmodernism is worse than sophistry. It is destruction of Reason.

There is so much knowledge in this lecture, I have to pause it now and again in order to Google some topics to gain a better, deeper understanding and insight. JP is literally outlining life itself before our eyes. This lecture is a treasure -- a literal, sheer treasure.

@goudan

5 жыл бұрын

indeed!!!

@kayharker712

5 жыл бұрын

This video is a heinous affront to The Communist Party, Islam, Climate Science and The Mother Goddess, Gaia. Jordan Peterson needs to turn himself over to The Party for re-education and be released from these ungood thoughts.

Jordan is a giant amongst men inspirational, intellectual free thinking people are a rare breed in this disturbing cultural war that is taking place upon the west and its values.. keep up the good work and inspiring others Jordan you are making huge waves

@negotiationinpratice4496

5 жыл бұрын

Yes Huge Waves of Money for himself, fooling people like you!

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

@highmiles 68 He's the kind of person Orwell alluded to in Peterson's Road to Wigan Pier reference.

@MerriweatherMcWiggan

5 жыл бұрын

@highmiles 68 Peterson said Kavanaugh should resign because a shrieking mob of leftist wanted it. He works for CAA, the company that started #metoo and protected Harvey Weinstein along with hundreds of other perverts. Followers like you are acting like cult members protecting your savior, JBP is a charismatic snake oil salesman.

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

@@MerriweatherMcWiggan Either what he says makes sense and resonates with you or it doesn't. Why the tirade?

@stickivicki1

5 жыл бұрын

the light he deserves to make fortunes for the work he is doing, he’s an icon and is helping hundreds of thousands of people live better more informed enlightened lives, people like yourself need to look in the mirror, and clean your own house before trying to sort anything else out

Watched this 5 times in 3 days. It's a penny drop.....light switches on moment. Never this explained to me so clearly before. I think this video has just changed my total understanding. The even more amazing thing it was free.

So I listened to this speech third time (not counting excerpts). Feels like I do learn something new each time I listen to it. Compassion, common sense and scientific logic never met each other as happily as they did in dr. Peterson. Pleasure to witness his diligent mindwork.

Jordan Peterson is one of the greatest minds of our time, no doubt about that. I admire him.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!! Bringing it in right with JBP!

A terrific club idea. No better time than this to celebrate liberty with a club such as this. Well done.

Nice camera work and audio work, a lil bit more light or a manual iris on cam would make it look a bit better. Either way good job.

Love this guy

@negotiationinpratice4496

5 жыл бұрын

What do you about him? what is it? he great body? his manly voice?? what what?

@stickivicki1

5 жыл бұрын

the light I assume the dedication and hard work he puts in sharing he’s intellect that he has gathered over decades studying and researching the various topics he covers so eloquently and passionately. Why wouldn’t you admire such a man?

... and that's that! Of course it is!

JBP words never gets old and its never enough.

thnak you for existing, Mr Peterson

Just awesome....massive braingasm!

The more dependencies are involved in daily functioning, the less the individual would have to work consciously, then that kind of society would be based under fear. when an idea of correct and incorrect is without a proper basis, its blinded because you're just attached to an idea which is self made. to put it simply, the personality of an individual is highly influenced by their environment and habituated into that, even by birth their personality comes from a certain inclination of the past life. there is no such thing as initial conscience which makes up righteousness. if that was the case, no one would be experiencing anything other than the initial stage nor will they be understanding different aspects of life. a profound form of righteousness is never decided by the heart. any belief of so is blindedness or a major lack of self awareness. There is actual suffering that is caused by our awareness and nature of reality and then there is the idea of what suffering is which is made up the impressions we hold towards something that has not yet been put into question. the idea of vague things such as strength can differ for each species, for a cheetah it might be on legs, for a lion it might be its claws and jaws and for a bear it might be its size and paws. even love is like that, its not some experienced emotion but without wisdom, love is vanity. For us, its consciousness which is the source, its neither the intellect nor emotions. Thats why we fail to attain balance. If we were an animal we would most certain not be as aware as we are, so we would still be at peace atleast until death comes but the range of our suffering is directly caused by our ability to become conscious of those things. I do not like a soft paced society where everything is too nice and rainbow. All you get is a fake mask in times of riskful needs because you'd be producing fearful people. its only in difficult times that people show their true colours, the ones who play around the soft corners will turn tail and run when times get tough and in need. chameleons are most likely to blend in among the tree's while the wind is at peace and end up running away when the storm comes. But then once you represent a group, you're bound to cause disharmony because all the collectivism often brings imbalance to the excluded aspects and parties within existence. Us vs the universe is not a match we can win, so individual existence based objectivity holds the purpose. every form of strength and advantage has its own requirements for maintaining them which can be their disadvantage and weakness, they can be the exact reason for ones downfall if one is not cautious enough to keep a second blade up their sleeve. i can only say not to fall right under that ambush where they may pull the curtains right underneath. even the claws and fangs of a lion can easily be provoked and when the predator falls into prey, you attack using the tactic of turning their fangs against them. Its the degrees that differ which again comes back to priorities. it ain't about what you can do that makes you great, its about the purpose for doing it that makes you so. Anyone can jump high bravely and suicide, does that bravery make him great? not quite so. Lets put our attention to the purpose and meaning before power

@goudan

5 жыл бұрын

man, i have to read that again and breack it down, you have a point there buddy!!!

@Staats1000

5 жыл бұрын

Krishna Mathur What you describe is true in many ways. Thank you. Left to our own narrow experiences, responses and proclivities, with no “guide” to sort through our fear and ego, we are doomed to live out our basest fears and assertions. Joy and security is rarely an offspring of an individualistic society. However, the discipline of righteous living has definition in a successful model. Christ has defined the attributes of joyful living within the parameters of our earthly form. It only takes recognition and discipline. The Western culture is based on Biblical precepts. In the USA the only requirement is not restrictive, but CONSENT is necessary for the individual’s success. Consent of the individual is proven via the discipline necessary to love one’s neighbor and the Author of righteousness as oneself as lived out via a just government. Simple but not easy. Concede to a healthy belief system or wander aimlessly, . Its ultimately an individual choice.

@TheStevepel

5 жыл бұрын

What if correct is truth and incorrect is lie. In this world it is mostly a copy system some one say this is how it is then you learn that then another comes along and say forget what you have learn this is how it is and that loop can happen many time. Eventually you need to filter out the lies to keep only the truth. If the initial conscience is innocent when it comes in this world where does the lie comes from. Child in this world copy what they see in their environment if they have good example they will do good if they have bad example they do bad. That is a learning process in this world.

@Staats1000

5 жыл бұрын

light world Thank you. The assumption of innocence at birth is debatable. But what good does it do to say, what if?, when the model is available. There will always be an existential “what if?”. And to pose those questions instead of focusing on the best system available is like prehistoric man denying the use of fire because he might melt his igloo. Success is the result of vision and determined discipline. Add love as detailed by God and you may experience relief and joy and warmth as you argue their limitations in the safety of your home.

@TheStevepel

5 жыл бұрын

@@Staats1000 The what if was implied to change is mind on correct incorrect to truth and lie. Since he is not able to have a proper basis in this world since he got himself to much influenced by is environment or habitat since is birth. That was is comment. Does that answer your question Curtis Willey. the best system available is to remove all lie keep only the truth and do your own puzzle. if you have piece that do not fit in a puzzle you cannot have the proper image. And since you can have swallow lots of lie incoherence and inconstancy in your environment you might have more then one puzzle to solve on that table. have a nice day Curtis Willey

Mr. Peterson is one of those very few intellectuals with lectures that contribute to make the world a better and safer place for all.

@negotiationinpratice4496

5 жыл бұрын

How is he making it safer??? How, what new rules have been implement due to Jordan?? Have the crime rates decreased??? How did he help?

@kevinbarton1661

5 жыл бұрын

Miguel Wabi - so is Jesus Christ . An intellectual that makes it safer to live in this world. He prooves it .

@MerriweatherMcWiggan

5 жыл бұрын

He said Kavanaugh should resign and he works for CAA, the company that protects sex offenders like Harvey Weinstein. JBP is a fraud.

@negotiationinpratice4496

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinbarton1661 SO you are linking JBP to JESUS?? What make you think he is Jesus? How can he be Jesus? Is he the son of God? is he following some texts that stated his coming?? So if a man stands up started to speak he is jesus?? IS JBP and Carpenter? NO. Is he born a JEW? No. then he is no Jesus!!

@negotiationinpratice4496

5 жыл бұрын

@Adan Zalmoxis very good

I have heard a comment in the past which went "didn't kill enough people" I think this is attributed to Stalin.

Hollywood and Disney , the movie industry is the perfect example how functioning hierarchies are based on competence an not power Right now there is no competence, or very little, in movie making and the hierarchy is falling. Star Wars is the perfect example. They are hiring people based on power and every movie sucks !

I fight a great monster on behalf of the people of Alberta. The safety industry and the Providers have complete control of all employers and employees. If you do not shop at their store for their courses and membership, you do not work in any of their industries. The Safety bureaucracy competes against me and when they found I was training my courses instead of theirs, they destroyed me. A life time of hard work discredited by their power. They were mandated to help me 25 years ago to build good training material but they found there was more profit in doing the training themselves. They only recognize and certify their training and refuse to look at mine. Then they mandate the training which only they and their friends now provide. I believe in free enterprise and competition but they find competition to not be in their interest. I need the wisdom and strength of Mr Peterson. We are not wrong, our enemy is very strong but we must fight on. Win or loose, it is better to stand or die for something than live for nothing.

@Lakshyam9

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you win this fight. Don't give up.

Jordan Peterson is getting yet closer & closer to our collective objective reality.

The one thing he was almost pleading about at the end was to turn the other cheek. It takes a person of very strong character to be able to do this.

Dr. Peterson is on fire in this lecture!

This is why we should definitely fund the humanities - the "real" humanities! Timeless wisdom and analytical acumen

I thoroughly enjoyed this talk! Can anyone recommend another presentation that stands out among the rest?

@jordan1833

2 жыл бұрын

Strengthen the individual and postmodern neo Marxism,diagnosis and cure

I like the assumption that your life cannot be dramatically changed by a man speaking something that should be so common, I see a lot of people say "Jordan changed my life" on a lot of different videos and then get ridiculed by ass hats. There is no shame in listening to this man and being able to take his advice and use it to fix yourself. The idea is that what he is saying doesn't actually have any dramatic impact on people, or that it shouldn't have to be told, or even that what he says is wrong, (when it comes to the basics of getting yourself together) is a way to keep you quiet... Share what you know to be true

@ezraalexander4823

5 жыл бұрын

*like*

@puranic1

5 жыл бұрын

lotzz asocks - Maybe for some people somethings are not simply common. Maybe some people grew up in a manipulated environment, etc.

@AI3Dorinte

5 жыл бұрын

you feel like that should come naturally to all people, it doesn't because education has a lot to with it!

I'd urge any person inclined to question Dr. Peterson's integrity and intentions to watch the Q & A at 2.23. 'Aim at peace, don't aim to win.' I was also quite moved by the empathy he shows towards his protesters by stating they are not much different from his own kids and when removed from the mob are mostly good and likeable, just in part possessed by some bad ideas. It's not easy to show such integrity towards those intent on shooting you down and is testimony to Dr. Peterson's moral fortitude.

Jordan is a brilliant communicator.

So I was watching space travel on tedxtalks and I STILL got sidetracked by Jordan Peterson.. :o

When can we bring him back to UBC again?

Remember that Free Speech doesn't exclude criticism. If someone disagrees with you, then providing they do so respectfully, keep the personal attacks out of it. Play the ball people.

In regards to FB, Google etc... they are responding to social and legal pressure. How do you mitigate the lawsuits and direction of responsibility of the company and the individual?

This was bloody brilliant 👏👏👏

I was starved of JP content! give it to me! nom nom nom nom

Yeah, there is security fear duality and desire boredom duality. Thats partly the reason imbalance in financial status occurs, I mean, if you have it all you become in luxury spoiled and then get bored but you won't give it up since you wouldn't want to experience the emotion of fear that comes along with security that demands work due to limited resources so the rest of the sides happen to run with that stance when they don't have anything, they run by fear which was a consequence of limited resources too. External requirements arose from internal wishfulness. Doing things that causes us suffering is not living correctly

Am amazing individual

Fred Rogers for adults. Welcome to Dr. Petersons Neighborhood.

Genius

Anyone know which passage of Nietzsche PEterson is referring to in regards to socialism?

All struggle is a perversion of Love. Everything else is a smoke screen.

Get em!

im scared that all those people died, and we still haven't learned the lesson

Why was this so late to get posted here

Psalms 127:1 . Solves it . Short And sweet .! Psalms 91:1 - short and sweet !

Second watch, great talk

1:12:15 I've been thinking about this mentality Dr JP mentions several times that you think you can bring the perfect socialism if you were in the position of absolute power... well isn't that the sin of "pride", that you are superior than all others.... this kinda makes sense to me because for the longest time I couldn't understand why "Pride" would be the top of the 7 deadliest sins. I always though well being prideful is a good thing right? But after listening to JP it kinda makes more sense, it's not just about being prideful but so much that you think you're superior than others that you ignore your own shortfalls and potential evil 1:24:45 wow

It is annoying that the sub titles don't align with the audio

@dwaynedwayne8979

5 жыл бұрын

If your not deaf why would you be watching subtitles? A deaf person wouldn't know the audio doesn't align..

@dwaynedwayne8979

5 жыл бұрын

I find the Jokes funny....it's a nice change.

The moderator dude was talking to Ann Coulter about gay marriage in another video.

I was hoping this is new but only reupload :(

he is the most intelgent person that i hear so much for marxisum

@kevinbarton1661

5 жыл бұрын

Arthur Woof - read proverbs - written by Solomon .

I only have two questions for Jordon. Is there such a thing as Obscene wealth? And the second question is, How does obscene inherited wealth square with the philosophy of Competence? Because unearned wealth is axiomatically opposed to wealth by competence.

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

When inherited wealth dissipates it does so due to incompetence, when it accrues it does so due to competence. Bill Gates donates billions of dollars to alleviate world poverty. Should the beneficiaries of his largess squander the "unearned" wealth that would be incompetent. Should they build on it by laying the foundations (education, infrastructure, investment etc.) to accrue further wealth, that would be an example of competence and how "unearned" wealth can and does become earned.

@tregforsyth1969

5 жыл бұрын

Obscene wealth is when you buy a t- bone steak and only eat half and throw the other half in the garbage.

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

@@tregforsyth1969 That act would have contributed to the cattle farmer, the hands who work on the farm, the merchants who sell feed to the farmer, the vet who administers medicine to the livestock, the truck drivers who transport the cattle, the buyers who purchase the cattle, the employees who work at the abattoir, the butcher from whom the restaurant purchases their meat, the chef, the waiter and the garbage men who pick up and dispose of the thrown out portion of the steak.

@keithk.3963

2 жыл бұрын

@@gordonbgraham Thank you. If only everyone could see beyond their envy to then see the larger picture.

@gordonbgraham

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithk.3963 Envy is an admission of one’s own incompetence. It is debilitating self-loathing.

12:49 Thug life moment

2017?

To whom ever by the name of Tim Barton is that thanked me for my service, your most welcome sir, but I only had 3 stripes not a queens commission. So "Sir" not appropriate, just an FYI😊

I was going to clean my room today, but I wasted too much time watching Jordan Peterson videos on youtube.

so? a year+ old speech released yesterday? for the love of God, why?

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

the first time I'd heard it was yesterday

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Colossians 2:3 Proverbs 3:5&6 Psalms 23 Revelation 3:20&21 . Jude 24&25 .! John 3:16&17 . Jeremiah 33:3 John 1:12 John 14:21. Kick ass fella . Tell the truth . Don’t be so hard on the air you breathe💌

1:03:00 Is social theory empirical; necessitating testing? I say no. The errors of socialism were/are economically/logically predictable, therefore not necessitating testing.

J.P. "Suffering is built into self conscious being. It's built right into the structure, so if you're a self conscious being, that's your lot. It isn't someone else's fault. It isn't a consequence of sociological oppression. It isn't a consequence of our society not being organized properly.It's just part of being." (old testement,Adam/Eve Theory of suffering) The state of nature is a state of poverty, but this isn't to say that there are no sociological pressures that create poverty. Marxist/Socialist/Communist countries are the perfect examples socio-economic/political structures that destroy savings and capital therefore impoverishing those under the regime of tyranny. It would be a valid argument to say that this is precisely what inflation does as a result of the monopolization of money provision as implemented by government with the Federal Reserve.

Ooo goody

Of Mice and Men

Not sure if this is a parody

Full Circle, Crop come to Harvest. Sepsis has set in.

you have a beautiful family Mr. Peterson and it turns out to be in man kinds favor that you talk a lot.

This was posted a year too late. Peterson sure has aged in a year.

@LoremLorem

5 жыл бұрын

And this video has a pretty apocalyptic ending 😲.

Read all 31 chapters of Proverbs right after Psalms In the Bible . Get LOVE . Then give it to everyone you meet. Revive mankind to LIFE LIBERTY PURSUIT OF JOYFUL HAPPINESS . Protect innocence . Increase photo synthesis by planting big. Gardens to stop World hunger.

Let's be clear about what the power structure is in the West; It is individual agents of governments. I can concede there is some level of competency in our justice system where murderers, rapists, kidnappers, extorts, thieves, and those who harm property are held accountable and in our police departments and militaries that seek to enforce these very old societal norms, but the truth is government suffers from an irredeemable economic problem known as the calculation problem. The economic calculation problem states that whenever production of any good/service is financed through force, like all government production is by means of taxation, the question of how much and of what quality should a good/service be produced can not be answered without the voluntary transactions of individual consumers of said goods/services necessarily creating malinvestment and at the cost of allowing a societal norm out of violence(what a government taxation is). Governments can recognize individual sovereignty and private property rights and demonstrate some level of competency doing so, but this ability to forcefully extract money to finance war, legal, regulatory functions etc. etc. is absolute power to commit violence and it corrupts absolutely. I'm no marxist, but neither am I supporter of representative democracy(constitutional republicanism), or democracy at all, rather it is my view that society can only be moral only where it is the result of voluntary and consensual interaction and this would mean that there would be no rulers. This does not mean the elimination of voluntary hierarchies like families, business, etc..The problem with Marxists is that they deny the individuals sovereignty and private property, but so do all governments to some extent. Some governments may be more or less competent in recognizing property rights, but the claim that government power structures are tyranny, I think, is correct.

16:00

J.P. "It's absolutely ridiculous;blind, to make the assumption that the hierarchies in functioning western democracies are fundamentally predicated on power and tyranny" Respectfully I couldn't disagree more. Western democracies are predicated on rule over property and people by dictate with their operations financed by the forceful extortion known as taxation. If the individuals who operated in the name of government in western democracies were not fundamentally predicated on power and tyranny, then their operations would extend to only the people who voluntarily contracted for their services.

i do not support the ones who simply go around spreading faith and play collective consciousness all the time. this isn't the goal, this is just an understanding helping you to learn forgiveness and acceptance when someone does you wrong accidentally. your integrity lies in your individuality, if you lose that then you are no longer fulfilling the purpose of separating from one. faith is great, but without a mind that directs it for a right cause, its all in vain as much as the water ends up stuck in a small puddle never being able to reach its destined ocean. the mind has to be the minister, heart as the supporter. otherwise, its all pointless. with purpose comes methods in implementing them, and with methods comes priorities. in this world, people judge each other by the impressions they make, and sometimes its a burden to carry the responsibility of maintaining those impressions. because your changing rate might be higher than the rest. mood swings much more often experienced. at one point, you may be at the peak and the other moment you're at the rock bottom, which is why remember that the tree's that grew beside you have not seen your deepest roots as much that ground which you grew up with has. This is the same with organised stereotyped groups, these are formed in order to deal with a subjective situation at a certain time but once they become a rigid form of "ism" communism or liberalism or any ism, then they become trouble to maintain and backfire the belonging party. to perceive something as a whole is to look at something as nature shows you then understand integrating each of its aspects, see when you separate things, your perception is confined to the sphere of sense's and no matter how much it may work, it is still incomplete and utterly pointless. to know something you have see it as complete first. before, people saw things that way, hence they were more inclined towards fate and its reason. they were fate oriented, whatever problems they faced they'd solve the issues by understanding and working per karma. this helped their spiritual growth. now its all material oriented, whatever problems people face, they'd try to fit the surroundings to their needs. for them, as far as something works its correct. they pay no heed to the purpose here. and thus, destruction of science and everything that is ''of sense'' in illusionary perception is necessary. to spiritually grow is to not be a robot that need to see the separated details but to realise the qualities of everything simply by looking at its aspects as a whole. Right way of existing is never in people's favour because its objectiveness is not subjective to any groups in particular. Fate here is just the swing of the pendulum back and forth from work to its consequences. So objectivity does not help the group, it helps the individuals who create the groups. When we think about rats, their desires or the object of their desire seems to be out of desperacy, which is a situational factor. But the things they are willing to stoop to achieve it explains a part of their nature itself. The outcome of a sequence of dominance and submissiveness can alter by the factor of time. Physicality exists in high and low, so if we focus on that our comparisons won't stirr up humanity, reality of us isn't so, hence our goal to set balance needs to focus on objective meaning which chimp consciousness hasn't evolved to yet. We need masculine consciousness to hold meaning and feminine as the inclusive method for it. Better kill them than see all of them suffering all the time only if its guarenteed that the rest will remain finely

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There is nothing new under the sun .Ecclesiastes 1:9 . 🌈. 🙏🌷.!

LMAO, 12:51 The post modernist don't believe in biology...

Heres an interesting aphorism I found while reading The Gay Science by Nietzsche: Book I, 29: Adventitious Liars - When people began to combat the unity of Aristotle in France, and consequently also to defend it, there was once more to be seen that which has been seen so often, but seen so unwillingly: people imposed false reasons on themselves on account of which those laws ought to exist, merely for the sake of not acknowledging to themselves that they had accustomed themselves to the authority of those laws, and did not want any longer to have things otherwise. And people do so in every prevailing morality and religion, and have always done so: the reasons and intentions behind the habit, are only added surreptitiously when people begin to combat the habit, and ask for reasons and intentions. It is here that the great dishonesty of the *conservatives* of all times hides: they are *adventitious liars* ...

@Batosai11489

5 жыл бұрын

So Nietzsche is claiming that people invent reasons to justify their habits and that they don't necessarily do it on purpose. I don't particularly see why he restricted himself to habits though. He could have just as easily stated that people invent reasons to justify their "beliefs". Now it applies equally well to all people and is just as much a slight against those who claim the past system is best because so and so and those who claim some future system will be better because so and so.

Jordon is totally on point for everything until he delves into the religious. It is fine to draw allegories through the bible. It is just one in a multitude of books which explain the human condition. He is trying to shoehorn God into his belief in history. Of course, he falls flat on that account. Having said that, he is on point with pretty much other observations of the human condition. So, on average, he is way more correct and influential than he is not.

A privilege, to listen, and learn from. In society you have pro-Jordan and anti. Why can't people take what's good, and leave the negative! Because Snowflake's would have nothing to melt over☺

Proverbs 3:5&6 . Let that blow your propaganda away .

Just curious: what primary sources on postmodernism and/or Marxism does JP draw from in these talks?

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

For postmodernism Foucault and Derrida, mainly.

@11kravitzn

5 жыл бұрын

@@gordonbgraham Can you point me to where he quotes them?

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

@@11kravitzn I could if I toggled through 2 and a half hours of video.

@11kravitzn

5 жыл бұрын

@@gordonbgraham I'll settle for anywhere. I've watched plenty of Peterson and have yet to hear him quote or reference a specific work directly or engage meaningfully with its strongest arguments or proponents. It's all (dubious) generalizations and some (questionable) secondary sources.

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

@@11kravitzn kzread.info/dash/bejne/ia18tqeCcby3nLQ.html

The laugh you hear just after 1:49:13 sounds black to you. Does this mean you're racist ? And no. You're not high

@stvbrsn

5 жыл бұрын

D. Issa wrong on all counts!

I wonder if Jordan thinks wealth redistribution is valid. I wonder if he thinks tariffs are valid?

Wrong on almost every single argument. Wow.

@tregforsyth1969

5 жыл бұрын

Dr. of what?, a video refuting his arguments would be something I'd be very interested in watching.

@drthalasiren4411

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It wouldn't be hard.

Communism cant be apt to all situations, whatever the measurements they take as a form of sharing, there is bound to be flaws. Lets say its based on family, then we may have different requirements for individuals with it at different positions. Various things are involved when we say equal share. It doesn't work so quick. And lets not degrade labour like that, its not labour itself that seemed dark but the desire and direction associated with it. If their labour was something as simple as collecting a few mangos from farm and shifts, things wouldn't be so harsh would it? Its just that easy labour brings more requirements so its not great but less requirements brings more space to act on something. I suppose its a matter of collectivism enlarging its scope of members or make work in such a way that it does not individually degrade ones who are involved in the productivity of it. Exploitation isn't very classy. Survival seems like such a hard thing because its not aligned with existence. Its always arising out of human interests so it doesn't necessarily appear fulfilling. If it was aligned, then survival would not have turned as difficult as it is now. The bar for requirements would have been less and the focus towards the objective would be prioratized towards life. Its because we aren't merging life with work that one side seems animalistic labour while another seems discontentment simultanously. Svadharma isn't prejudiced, it means the righteousness we do to our own existence. Democratic agreements are always preferential to the conditions of people and situation to the point it clouds the view of truth. Its like, you have too many chefs working on the same plate. If we were to liberate everyone from physical mindsets within which comparison and constraints dwell, perhaps the method to implement might initially appear forced but results on liberation. The objectives bring the priorities. Diversity in skills and function has to be hereditary passed under a community, its easier and assured security, effiecient to society as a whole. If we go by individual interests, then it will fall by one side taking the higher position and trying to enhance other sides using that. The problem isn't system itself, its the standards we set within it which destroys everyone's individual existence

@DMWatchesYoutube

5 жыл бұрын

Recommend shortening and simplifying as an exercise in creativity

@AI3Dorinte

5 жыл бұрын

the standards you talk about will always be there because the system will always generate the need for them, if we are all equal there is a very powerful problem that comes up: nobody is fit for command, I come from an ex communist country and I don't know where to start when talking about communism, it is the WORST form of running a country, anything is better than communism.

@myla6135

5 жыл бұрын

@@AI3Dorinte Thank you for your comment. I totally agree. Although I haven't been anywhere near a communist/ex-communist country all I can tell is that without competence determining who commands (and someone HAS to command) then the person that does command will be a tyrant. That tyrant will unleash something terrible to hold onto power because he isn't holding that power through competence. It's undeserved power that has to be held through some type of force.

"Free speech club" Sponsors Jordon Peterson lmao

Does Peterson talk about trauma much? Like specifically address how early trauma defines many of our later coping mechanisms and behaviours?

@marigam

5 жыл бұрын

What? No.

I love postmodernism.

lecture in Israel?????????? somewhen????

What's the point of you uploading this when it's on Jordan channel?!

5th :) \

Dear Free Speech Club: You have talks about communism, socialism, maxims, etc, yet, you do not include us who lived under those regimes in your talks. When you invite Jordan Peterson whose knowledge of communism comes for books, that is not only a parody of free speech but also intellectual colonialism of people of Eastern Europe. It has to stop. See here: ncfsocialjustice.org/ Jane

Kurzweil is strange because his early career is likely pretty impressive, but now he talks nonsense about exponential growth in computing power beyond the theoretical limit (can't make a transistor out of half an atom, for example) and he sells garbage cash-cow software for thousands of dollars per license to disabled people like my father; I think he deserves less credibility

Probably this comment wont make much of a difference, but i guess ill try. Im one of the people he talks about. I dont really think of myself as postmodern neo marxist or whatever, but nonetheless, he is talking about me. But he doesnt actually describe me. The things that Jordan are saying im thinking, i dont actually think that. And his discription doesnt seem to apply to other people i know, or apply to the far left in general. I dont know what to make of this. I dont think hes strawmanning us on purpose, i think Jordan is a good guy and i trust him not to do something like that. So idk if he is misunderstanding us, or maybe hes describing another faction of the far left that im not a part of. But something is off. And thats why im writing this comment. Im writing this comment to hopefully let someone know that theres a huge problem in comunication somwhere. That we arnt understanding each other at all, and that we should focus on solving this communcation problem. There are many things that the far left can critized for. But to me it seems like hes critizing a caricature strawman of the left.

@jrd33

5 жыл бұрын

Peterson is laying out what he thinks are the philosophical foundations of the current far left, and why he thinks they are flawed. You hay have a different philosophy. Peterson is not against the left in its entirely, he is against what he sees as the more radical elements of the (extreme) left. But there are perfectly good arguments to be made for unionization, breaking up monopolies, universal health care, reducing income inequality, reducing discrimination etc.

@phlsnst5882

5 жыл бұрын

@@jrd33 Yeah i understand that hes not opposed to the left in general, hes said many times that the left has a purpose and all that. You say that i may have a different philosophy, and i probably do to some extent. But still, as someone who spends alot of time in far left space, i dont see the type of people he is describing in those spaces. Sure this is just my personal experience, maybe ive just been lucky to not run into them. But something tells me its actually a communication issue. The left really doesnt like Peterson (duh lol), and thats because they dont understand him. I see myself as an outside observer of sorts (here is the difference in my philosophy that i mentioned), i do feel like im able to understand both the left and Peterson. And what i see is that they dont understand each other, and that they (unintentionally) strawman each other over and over. Its sad cuz to me it looks like they are much closer to agreeing than one might think. I have started seeing it as my mission to figure out what the miscommunication is grounded in. And again, what im saying here is just what i personally see. Without anyone else seeing it my testemony is pretty weak, thats why i considered not writing my original comment at all. Im glad you read it tho :D

@AI3Dorinte

5 жыл бұрын

@@phlsnst5882 so where can we read what YOU guys think and how would your ideal far left for of running a country looks like?

@jrd33

5 жыл бұрын

@@phlsnst5882 What is it that you think Peterson doesn't understand about the left? I acknowledge this is a tricky subject since there is no clear definition of "the left" - I live in the UK and my idea of "the left" is probably very different to many from the US, for example. In the UK, "the left" extends from liberals and social democrats through Labour (traditional working-class trade-union socialism) and to Marxists, anti-capitalists, and radical social progressives (Peterson's "post-modern neo-Marxists", perhaps).

@phlsnst5882

5 жыл бұрын

​@@jrd33 Well I wouldn't really phrase it as that he don’t *understand* the left. I'm just confused about his description of the modern left, because it doesn’t align with my view of it. I guess youre looking for more practical examples on how mine and his view don’t align. For example, that the left believes logic is a patriarchal structure, I've never heard anyone one the left say that. Or that we somehow don’t adhere to logic, I've never seen that either. How Peterson (and others like Shapiro) talk about intersectionality, also doesn’t make sense to me. Cuz I've never heard anyone on the left describe it like they do. There are a few things :)

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (aka the unforgivable sin) is inverting good and evil. It's unforgivable because no one who does that will ever seek redemption.

Read your Bible . Genesis 1:1 to revelation 22:21 . See if you are smarter than that .

I tried. But this doesn't prime me at all. I can't check whether or not what he says is true or not. It's all way too broad, and to empirical, as fucked up a reason that is, since it is actually good when worldviews are derived from the reality or whatever tiny percentage of reality is encapsulated within the framework of experiments. But since what he says is not a logically derived theory I can't detect logical flaws, even if I wanted to and that means I'd have to take for granted what Peterson says, simply for the lack of knowledge with regards to the topics and fields he addresses. All I can say is his " theory " is heavily anecdotal, must probably rely on certain interpretations of the things he draws from and hasn't unfortunately much caveat. It is designed to sit you back and make you nod, not to critically evaluate it, as arrogant as it might sound coming from some low-level YT commentator, but this is not the kind of stuff I'm into. If I had to summarize my critique, i'd say it isn't formal enough and thus unfalsifiable.

@irlc1254

5 жыл бұрын

I think he'd say it's more formalized in his book, Maps and Meaning, and popularized, or made more accessible, in his lectures.

@KommentarSpaltenKrieger

5 жыл бұрын

@@irlc1254 I've seen most of his lectures. It's still more or less the same. Peterson is coherent with what he says but what he says isn't formalized enough to be tested. He hasn't come up with axioms yet that are clear enough, since he also likes to relativize what he says so that everybody can say that he didn't mean what he seems to imply. He is either very nuanced or he is afraid of speaking clearly and I can't say which of those possibilites is true.

@irlc1254

5 жыл бұрын

@@KommentarSpaltenKrieger I kind of see what you mean, but could you give some examples - just so that I don't misunderstand you?

@KommentarSpaltenKrieger

5 жыл бұрын

@@irlc1254 Yeah sure, one example is the way how he tries to debunk postmodernism in this video. First he starts with some basic tenets of postmodernism (e.g. rejecting grand narratives) only to dive into animal behavioral biology. He says that rats express a certain pattern of behaviour that can be described as 'fair'. Then he tells about chimps. He seems to imply that there are common structures among mammols that also guide human behaviour and that imply that hierarchies are just. However, he doesn't outright say that hierarchies are just because they can be detected in nature. This is one example. Maybe this helps you a bit.

@irlc1254

5 жыл бұрын

@@KommentarSpaltenKrieger Thanks, that's really helpful. JBP is a really good man and a great force for good. However, I'd agree with you that his thesis is missing just that bit of the formal structure that ties it all together. I think the formal structure is there for the taking; it's just that he's not gone far enough. You may strongly object to this, but I don't think you can make sense of it all unless we take on board that we are meant to live for ever, and that the formal structure is profoundly provided in Christianity. I think I can justify that statement to you in a very different way than what you might expect. I think I can even fit his lobster into the picture! Happy to engage further if you so wish.

Kermit the frog. 🐸 speaks for 2hrs and says nothing at all.

@gordonbgraham

5 жыл бұрын

It only took you a single sentence! Bravo!

@Lakshyam9

4 жыл бұрын

Your name says it all😏

Jordon Peterson: "Marxists won't debate me" Marxists: "let's debate" Jordon Peterson: "no."