Silverstone pole 2024 vs 2023: kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6Gnt7yOhbfQj5M.html

When taking T1 you can see how he rapidly makes a correction because the rear wing was lifting up because of the lack of downforce. Mark acknowledged this behaviour of the car and still went flat out. 2011 was such a season.

@ebob4177

25 күн бұрын

Mark was a daredevil. Look at his driving with Minardi.

@pietrekk1

25 күн бұрын

They could bring this back I loved this rule

@AgainstWokeness

25 күн бұрын

It was definitely one of the seasons of all time

@tangofoxtrott7971

24 күн бұрын

Pretty sure the rear wing didn‘t lift up

@kev17na

23 күн бұрын

@@tangofoxtrott7971 it didn't "start to take-off" but since there's no downforce flowing there the rear wheels aren't so pushed to the ground in comparison to the front wheels, this results in a massive loss of control because of the difference of grip levels between both wheels

Opening DRS in a high speed corner is madness.

@azzido

25 күн бұрын

If you are moving fast enough, you got enough downforce

DRS being free to use anywhere you want so long as you can make the downforce to remain stable is so much more interesting than the current setup. No wonder it's not like that anymore.

@williamsuharja6687

25 күн бұрын

Yeah I wanted to see that in current time

@andypandy1114

25 күн бұрын

This and the f duct the year before where they’re basically driving one handed thru fast corners

@ebob4177

25 күн бұрын

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 I'm thinking that too

@alsa4real

22 күн бұрын

It's not safe

@mitchell-wallisforce7859

22 күн бұрын

@@alsa4real Zooming around at 250+ kph is inherently unsafe anyway. Shit breaks on F1 cars and sends 'em flying into walls all the time, and people don't die because the cars aren't made of paper mache and the walls absorb the energy. Live a little.

Worth noting that Webber's biggest strength was high speed corners, Horner even said himself it was the 1 area he had seb really beat

@anonymoususer1824

25 күн бұрын

I remember too. Seb beat him in the low speed corners by a good bit. Seb had great feel applying throttle out of corners.

@AgainstWokeness

25 күн бұрын

Yeah that's why he was always fast in Silverstone and Catalunya, interesting he was also very fast in Monaco which is the complete opposite

@user-wy5uq7oq8q

23 күн бұрын

@@AgainstWokeness yeah but those few high speed corners in monaco make a massive difference if you're as brave as Webber

2017-2021 had even more downforce, and I think these ground effect cars do as well but man, those light, nimble V8 cars were something else

@DonLee1980

25 күн бұрын

more downforce, but much heavier, and also much higher speeds which need even more grip to pin the throttle.

@mitchell-wallisforce7859

25 күн бұрын

@@DonLee1980 This. Making similar lap speed on twisty tracks through lightness and design ingenuity instead of just brute force is far more impressive.

@idexpro8263

25 күн бұрын

These V8 cars from 2010 weren't that nimble. As refuelling ban made them bigger in size

@sergioferrero46

25 күн бұрын

@@idexpro8263 of course, they were heavier than previous generations, but they were still 50-60 centimeters shorter and 150 kg lighter than than current cars

@mawwalmazie

24 күн бұрын

@@DonLee1980 Thus requiring more combined overall power to get similar speeds as the V8 in the corner

The 2010s are the modern era of f1. Now it feels like we have gone one step forward and three steps backwards. And the sound 😊

@aquatic4425

25 күн бұрын

you mean the early 2010s.

@jk844100

25 күн бұрын

I don’t get people creaming themselves over the sound. “Old cars sound better”. Who cares that the 2004 cars sound nice when the racing was the most boring that F1 has ever seen.

@Mlippy

25 күн бұрын

​@@jk844100 Are you stupid

@baseerrehman9598

25 күн бұрын

@@jk844100 part of it is because of nostalgia and im not even talking about the V10 era. The V8s were good enough in 2010 and the racing was phenomenal.

@jk844100

25 күн бұрын

@@baseerrehman9598 not really since the racing in 2010 was so bad they had to invent DRS.

In 2011 I remember also Seb doing on 2 of his pole laps 130-R with the DRS open and also Abu Dhabi turn 3😱, which was crazy!!!

The RB7 is also great in that it has a wicked blown diffuser sound. My all time favorite F1 car. Little fact, Sebastian Vettel used to call this car "Kinky Kylie".

@sbinadero

25 күн бұрын

I do wonder if it had anything to do with Kylie Minogue.

@casterbyte

24 күн бұрын

@@sbinadero Of course, Vettel named the car after singer Kylie Minogue.

What they lost in the double diffuser, they gained in Newey’s blown diffuser…

@bukwok

25 күн бұрын

if my memory correct, i think they ban blown diffuser at that race, you can hear downshift sounds very different, with blown diffuser downshift way violence .

@bukharijabarazman2700

25 күн бұрын

@@bukwok Blown diffusers were banned at the end of 2013, the violent downshifts are usually heard on the Lotus…

@bukwok

25 күн бұрын

@@bukharijabarazman2700 yes and no, only that Silverstone race banned in 2011,if my memory correct i think 2011, if not then 2012 ?but i pretty sure is that race 2011 Silverstone, part of reason Alonso won that race , just because no blown diffuser , and you can hear the downshift sound, blown diffuser downshift not like that.

@kovarikristof3754

25 күн бұрын

@@bukharijabarazman2700no he is right for the 2011 British GP the blown diffusers were banned. This is why Alonso could absolutely dominate the scenery in a much closer top game. It also showed that Ferrari couldn’t capitalise on the diffuser’s potential, but had a decent enough chassis to just contend with the top dogs. I mean the race of course

@bukwok

25 күн бұрын

@@bukharijabarazman2700 and no matter Renault or Mercedes engine ,blown diffuser downshift all sounds like that , violence ,very violence ,almost sounds like "is something broken? " very characteristics sound.

that Drs opening gap is pretty small tho in 2011

@TheJokerit19

25 күн бұрын

So were rear wings narrow & tall.

@Zen_1g

21 күн бұрын

@johnchen871 Yes, however, the cars themselves were smaller and on top of that, the aerodynamic profile was smaller so therefore the impact percentage is likely the same

@ovt8454

21 күн бұрын

good point

@LionBlu2000

20 күн бұрын

@@Zen_1g Doesn't matter what size the cars were. You measure DRS change and if the wing is 2x smaller, then car size in general does not matter (it's not 2x smaller)

Great Video my Friend. Keep up the brilliant Work.Seb had the DRS Open through T1 in the Race in 2018 when he was chasing Bottas. He was the only driver to do so apart from Ericsson but he crashed.

In the 2011 British GP Q3 the track was still very slighlty damp, so that makes Webber's attempt even more impressive 😊 Button was however extremely cautious due to slippery track. There was plenty more interesting flat-out DRS running in 2011 and 2012 (from 2013 DRS was limited in quali)- the best are of course 130R, then turns 7-8 in Korea, Blanchimont was actually easily DRS-flat and finally I can recall turn 2 in Abu Dhabi - those are the big ones 😆 I might have missed something, though. Of course there were a lot easy corners taken flat 😉

Very well done for whoever produced this. Thanks!

Bring back these cars with the engines (the sound), the smaller size, the difficultly to drive (much more steering corrections)

The 2011 rb7 has to be one of if not the greatest V8 title winning f1 car ever. Absolutely a car that very much was the peak and gold standard of the blown exhaust diffuser era of V8 f1 cars. The car was often said to be a refinement version of their previous title winning car RB6 but this is one of the few times where Adrian Newey and his technical team very much perfected many of the ideas from the RB6 to a new extreme that it was inch perfect

This is a great reminder of how cool those V8 era cars were.

Ahh man, I use to love this on F1 2011. Yeah it’s not irl. But on the game, you were ALWAYS hunting for a place to use DRS. Not matter how sure the straight was, or if it was a slight kink corner or sharp kink before or after a straight. It made quali exciting.

T1 at Silverstone saw a 20kph delta from the two cars. Astonishing.

Love the videos.

When the car didn't sound like a lawn mower.

@caledonianrailway1233

25 күн бұрын

*hoover

@ItsDeffoScott

25 күн бұрын

Galloping horses sounded good in their day too grandpa

@Unknown-hq5zw

25 күн бұрын

Why are you disrespecting the lawnmower

@caledonianrailway1233

25 күн бұрын

@@ItsDeffoScott not as good as the iron horse

@sanandreasgd7148

25 күн бұрын

Always complaining 😒

Absolutely positively insanely crazy and wicked

i mean tbh the DRS opening slot was tiny back then

Best sounding car ever in my opinion, those downshifts😍

it also helps when the car speeds weren't as high, and the cars weighed 150kg less. downforce/weight = grip. 150kg less weight means a LOT more grip from the downforce.

@Vishnu-B

25 күн бұрын

Exactly... these current heavy ass cars are on the brink of not being F1... no one speaks of how regressive and hurting the recent 2 reg changes have been with regards to weight...

Absolute incredible

F1 2010 - F1 2013 are my favorite cars

@0:29 That looked like he was on an absolute knife edge. I almost forgot how daring Webber could be.

We didn't know how good we had it in comparison to today's neutered cars

In 2010 on his Spa pole lap he did Eau Rouge with one hand😳 because the other one was covering the F-Duct, I think that's more impressive.

The fact he didn't turn it off for maggots/beckets at all is impressive

Sebastian vettel still holds the record for most poles in a season 15 out of 19 I remember watching him have his rear wing open in 130r and as a kid i was so confused thought he broke his wing

Warning: Big rant about the 2018 cars closing the DRS incoming . . . 1. In 2018, both the rear wing and the DRS gap were much bigger than the pre-2017 era, resulting in a massive loss of rear df. Still a lot more grip than the early 2010s, but much less than the front tyres. 2. With the older cars, you would constantly be slipping and sliding, while the modern cars drive like they're on rails, so when you lose the tyres, you've got no heuristic sense about which way you'll be facing (especially if you’re a methodical chap like Vettel...). 3. The modern tyres are designed to be fragile (because FIA tells Pirelli to make them fragile, so blame FIA). Which, combined with the 2017-21 demonic levels of downforce, any sliding would most likely get you a big flat spot. 4. Flipping the DRS close and open shifts the weight backwards, and the last era was all about maximising exits.

F duct operation is still unbeatable to watch

That's some well-engineered car.

this is as impressive as Mansell driving through Blanchimant with the Diffuser stall on

The W11 with Lewis would do well over 300 throughout the entire corner 😮

my god that must have been terrifying - the aero-balance with DRS open is crazcy bad

I love the elevator music in the explanations before turning back to steaming V8s 😂

These guys are not afraid of anything what?!?

@bombergame8636

25 күн бұрын

Welcome to when Formula 1 was still Formula 1. Ignorant

@fr3akzilla769

25 күн бұрын

The good old times, when hard battles and maneuvers were celebrated...

@ariaformula1

25 күн бұрын

Typical dts fan

@turbobrick3419

25 күн бұрын

@@bombergame8636 The current drivers are just as brave lol. What a dumb comment

@bombergame8636

25 күн бұрын

@@turbobrick3419 yes, your comment is really dumb. Nowadays drivers don't even understand the risk the ones that came before were willing to take. You're just a sad excuse of a clown

Also back when KERS was a button you'd hold for extra power each lap. Knowing when and how much to use was an art itself.

The Schumacher S in nurburgring with DRS open is truly insane

Engineering masterclass!

Should be noted that part of the reason they closed drs in 2018 (at least Hamilton is that clip. I feel like I recall other drivers taking it with DRS open.) is because they were approaching the corner at a higher speed due to the greater power of the V6T engines.

going flat with drs open is wild

I simply cannot imagine taking the Schumacher Esses flat out with DRS open.

I remember a driver in 2018 using DRS through turn 1 though I can't remember who it was

@theempires5

25 күн бұрын

I think most cars can take T1 with DRS open back in 2018

@z_9038

25 күн бұрын

I think that was Ericson

@marcel-wo9ov

25 күн бұрын

Fernando Alonso did it I tkink

@m_p3601

24 күн бұрын

Max did, and Marcus Ericson, but ME crashed in doing so during the race

I want this f1 to return. Nowadays it's introducing more and more gimmicks, instead of pushing boundaries of what's possible.

If you ever opened drs in a older F1 games in a corner, for example 2012 that had great physics, or some good simulators, you know how ballsy and on the edge it is in an F1 car. If you open it withouth fully prepeared you just instantly spin off to the gravel

I hope they put a scene in the new F1 movie that they drive a car from this era. Or even better a blown diffuser, it's funny that when you ask people how an F1 car sounds they likely will do the sound of that era not nowadays.

Corrects with rear wing open in a turn at 300kph like it's tuesday lmao

if im not mistaken, i think 2011 season that Silverstone race banned hot blown diffuser , I can hear that WEBBER RB7 downshift sounds very different than blown diffuser one , blown diffuser downshift sound extremely violence , so that RB7 downforce even greater with blown diffuser?

Imagine the drivers throwing open the drs in a high speed corner with 10 km extra to go for that needed overtake. It would be quite the spectacle

Got to love all the comments crying about the noise it wouldn't be a Formula One video if you didn't have that

Man, I hope we can get at least the V8 back someday

FLAT OUT!!!

the SPEEEEEEEEEED

Silverstone and Interlagos never disapoints in F1. Kinda curious how it's gonna be in this season....

2011 when DRS was allowed in every part of the track ❤

Interesting, it seems to have had about the same amount of porpoising as the current car!

This is why we need lighter cars. If we get way lighter cars they can cope with the downforce loss, so we can have lighter cars, less dirty air, but still around the same speeds

Remind us before 2013 l, there's no dedicated DRS zone in quali. So every drivers have ball of steel.

remember when RB6 was going though turn 8 in Turkey 20 km/h faster than any other car? This is by the same guy who designed the "crappy car" that's leading F1 today.

You could open drs whenever you wanted to back then ?

@j.s3300

25 күн бұрын

The good old days

@bombergame8636

25 күн бұрын

Yes. Back in 2011 and 2012 there were no restrictions for DRS during qualifying, the DRS zones would count only for the race

@lennarts5381

25 күн бұрын

Only in Quali. It was awesome.

@Solar424

25 күн бұрын

In 2011/2012, the first two years DRS was in F1, drivers could use it wherever they wanted in practice and qualifying

@Black_Mamba_722

25 күн бұрын

Yup, in FPs and Qualis, bar Monaco tunnel and Spa Eau Rouge Raidillon

Holy downforce

I'm gonna half jokingly say that the Mclaren probably could have had the DRS open in those turns, it's just those drivers didn't have the balls for it lol

Not only was Jenson forced to turn off DRS, but also lift the throttle...

The one thing I noticed is that the car's only had a 7 speed transmission as well. That probably limited top speed a bit.

btw how is drs controlled, does the driver has complete control over activation/deactivation? If 2 cars are in DRS zone, can the car ahead turn ON DRS?

@arhamhashmi2772

25 күн бұрын

There’s a drs button they press to activate it when they hear a beep in their ears as they cross the drs line

No in 2018, the Red Bull cars were able to go through T1 at silverstone with their DRS open. I’m 100% sure they did that in free practice but I’m not sure if they did that in qualifying. The Mercedes could do that too but they didn’t want to risk it

more classic onboards pls

I miss Nürburgring GP

I still believe I saw Verstappen DRS open through T1 in 2018 Q3.

I miss the noise 😢

How can you place huds anywhere you want?

RED BULL!!! 👊👊👊

But why V8 era so slow in the straight line compare to the V6 and V10?

10kph faster at Schumacher s is crazy

Can you make a vid why the Mercedes drivers manually closed their DRS until somewhere in 2018?

RB7 vs W11, What do you think?

2018 was still some 10kmh and still had to close drs... Whys that?

Stay DRS at very high speed turn!?! 😮😨 But caution to the "exploded" slip to leave the violent crash!

Moral of the story is that we need to bring the Nurburgring back to F1

they should bring back the open drs rules for quali

2025 we should bring back free to use drs

Nice F1 car that isn't fat. I miss the NA cars.

2018 cars being unable to take Abbey flat-out with DRS activated is weird, given their downforce advantage over RB7, or 2011 cars generally.

Wich is faster, RB6 or RB7?

That rule cycle was rather interesting. One season was close, the other one Red Bull dominated, repeat. Some people use this as a "they need to keep rules longer because teams close the gap" excuse and it makes no sense. The rule stayed for 5 years as always and teams didn't exactly close the gap. It was just random close/dominance seasons.

@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1

25 күн бұрын

2011 RB made a monster of a car tbh but 2013 teams waived the white flag earlier than usual due to the big 2014 changes hence the way the season ended the Pirelli tire changes after Silverstone that year basically ended the title as well

@Willbrse

25 күн бұрын

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 '09 (after first races) and '10 were close. '11 domination, '12 close again Stop picking. I'm talking about the whole rule cycle.

@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1

25 күн бұрын

@@Willbrse I was simply talking about 2011 and 2013 but the domination in 09/11/13 can be explained The double diffuser for Brawn in 09 Perfecting the blown diffuser for Red bull in 2011 Tire changes after Silverstone and other teams stopping development earlier for Red Bull for 2013

Just bring back the V-10s and make the entire rules set fit on 1 page at 10 font.

Adrian Newey.

Bring back free DRS in practice and qualy!!!

Verstappen Q3 2018 was with drs open

2018 may have no been DRS open, but still 15kph faster...

They should just let drivers use DRS whenever they want in the race

all different drivers with RB winning, just one thing stays the same, adrian newey designed cars

Didn't Ericsson take t1 with drs on in 2018? And...subsequently crashed?

But the speed at the apex of silverstone T1 2018 is much higher than 2011. About 10 km/h.

red bull took every single pole in that season, with an exception of one.. guess who took that only non red bull pole...

@yelistener Not sure why you call this car a downforce monster when current F1 cars destroy it in high speed Copse corner going ~30km/h faster than this 'monster'. Plus the DRS wing was not as big (and wide) in those days so the downforce loss was much lower than these days.