Altitude is your best friend in that situation. The late gear down was risky but also necessary to generate enough lift to make it back down on terra-firma. I have reharsed this so many times in a simulator and have never quite managed to make the landing. Those pilots really are the creme de la creme of their profession. Although a highly unlikely scenario they are trained to extreme levels of proficiency.

@elmalloc

6 ай бұрын

creme de la meme

@aro8000

6 ай бұрын

The most important moment is when the cockpit goes dark. Getting used to this view can save you a lot of time -> altitude.

@robertjones8598

6 ай бұрын

Having the gear up doesn’t generate lift. It does reduce drag though.

@lucasknevitz

6 ай бұрын

​@@robertjones8598 I guess that's what he meant, if you put the gear down early you would lose a necessary altitude to do a safe landing

For all the critics here; This is a private pilot after only 40 minutes on a 777 simulator. A PPL after given 40 minutes on 777 simulator. Not bad at all. It is a tough maneuver even for professionals, but not if you are not scared of it. Most airlines are practicing Turnbacks from minimum altitude in last 10 years on sim.

Some interesting comments on my video. For some context. This adventure was in a proper Air new Zealand 777-300ER simulator. I'm sitting in the captains seat on the left - im flying the aircraft. A senior Air NZ training captain is in the right seat. I'm a 2000hr private pilot who has done 98% of my flying in a Cessna 182T - not wide body jets! (see my videos). I won this time in the simulator as a prize. It was a fun session - nothing serious. After about 45 minutes of normal flying I asked the training captain to throw something tough at me and see how I go. I asked for a double engine failure just after take off. Yes i was expecting the emergency - I was just trying to see what it was like. Just relax everyone - was just a bit of fun!

@tonetoobtwo

6 ай бұрын

I know sweet FA about flying, but it looked to me that you handled that pretty well. Double engine failure on a plane of that size on ascent can't be an easy thing to get back on the ground in once piece! Thanks for the upload, interesting watch... have no idea why YT showed it to me, probably because I watch 3 minutes of aviation from time to time 🙂 All the best

@LiquidRetro

6 ай бұрын

Considering your not a commercial pilot or used to flying the aircraft (assuming your not type certified on it either) you did a very good job. I was ready to give you heck from my arm chair quarterback position but I was assuming you were a commercial pilot who knew the aircraft and your not. Again good job and thanks for sharing.

@CFITOMAHAWK

6 ай бұрын

SO THIS WAS YOU , A PPL after given 40 minutes on 777 simulator? Except that overshot the alignment after the turnback, it shows you are good pilot for gliding. Always try to align early, not latee. But you landed it. 777 Turnback to opposite runway. LOL. That is fun tough maneuver. Congrats..

@robd2184

6 ай бұрын

You did pretty well, I was a bit worried about the position of the wingtip v ground in last 50’ but I think you got away with it

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

@@CFITOMAHAWK if I hadn’t overshot the centreline I would’ve been 1000 feet too high and 50 kn too fast. I barely got in as it was

Always a fun one to do in the sim! No matter how many times I hear it, the B777 Master Warning chime is always a bit spooky. -WAAA WAAA WAAA WAAA!!- Boeing was smart and made an autostart feature on the APU in case of dual engine failure too, while the RAT autodeploys and takes care of business in the interm.

The impossible turn in a 777... nicely done, nicely done!

Impressive landing

"It's gonna be a little sticky but we'll get it in" - that's real flying

"you'd definitely be on the front page of the Herald tomorrow" not just the herald, but just about every paper

The "impossible turn"

@CFITOMAHAWK

7 ай бұрын

What was impossible you said?

@jyskib

6 ай бұрын

Maybe if it was at 1k yes

Pretty cool! Thanks for sharing.

Well done and superb in time instructions given by the flight instructor

Almost nice to know a big Triple can fly like that!!

I’ve done the 777 full motion sim before and it’s incredible… when I put it down on 5R the first time it was a bit of a jolt but good fun 😅😊

@thatmatty231guy

6 ай бұрын

Great to see your dual engine experiment

@charliefiggins7363

6 ай бұрын

this is auckland right?

wow that would be a very scary situation. Imagine you just hesitate 10 seconds too much for a desicion it would be too late nice landing

@CFITOMAHAWK

7 ай бұрын

You better turnback in 3 seconds.

A few yrs ago I had a short go in a 767 sim, courtesy of one of the tech staff and a free 'slot' (they use them for training almost 24/7). He switched off some physical feedback, because a hard landing can be tough on the sim, and we didn't want to break £20m or £30m worth of flight sim..

@ChipMIK

6 ай бұрын

There is limits in the software of the motion system so you can't do anything to the sim that will hurt it. That said, i did an autorotation some years with a bit of hard touchdown while on motion. (Within what the heli can withstand IRL). The sudden touchdown made two circuitboards hit each other inside an onboard computer where the manufacturer hadn't proofed it well enough. That took 1½ day of repairs to recover from 😁

2:54 Ryanair: Ok, you're hired 2:57 Ryanair: You're hired and cannot be fired 3:00 Ryanair: You're 100% hired u cannot quit our job.

@AirBlairNZ

2 ай бұрын

hhhahah

Almost had to pull a Sully

@CFITOMAHAWK

7 ай бұрын

Suly could reach La Guardia from 3,000 feet and 195 knots he had, but didnt know turnbacks.. So he went to the Hudson instead. Very lucky there were no ice chunks on river.

@sneedsneed460

6 ай бұрын

@@CFITOMAHAWKhow long have you been an airline captain for? Funny how many people think they could’ve done it better than Sully lmao, you’d have been dead bud

@elmalloc

6 ай бұрын

he's right though and you are wrong@@sneedsneed460

I wish I could own a simulator like this.

Amazing.respect for the pilots

Excellent !

that looked super real, great piloting. hope i never have to be in that position as a passenger.

Nicely setup projectors. You can almost always see where they overlap but here, only on what seems to be the RR projector there is a tiny bit noticeable but very nice compared to many other sims. (On "mine" its the R that always are a tiny bit off compared to the rest and no chance of getting it spot on after +7 years of trying )

@winni555

6 ай бұрын

i mean this puppy costs multiple millions of dollars, those projectors better be lined up

@ChipMIK

6 ай бұрын

@@winni555 Mine was approx 34 million US$ when it was built 7 years ago but that doesn't make the vision part 100% perfect. Watching many videos from other pro sims this is one of the absolutely better ones. Realistically it is impossible to get typically 5 projectors to behave 100% a like from ex. Night Vision Goggle flying through to a clear sky day in the summer. Might be possible on laser projectors but not on a traditional (+80.000 Us$ a piece) projector using bulbs.

@thatmatty231guy

6 ай бұрын

@@ChipMIKdo you have your own private one ?

@ChipMIK

6 ай бұрын

@@thatmatty231guy No it not my private but work

@thatmatty231guy

6 ай бұрын

@@ChipMIK Thats awesome you work on them / with them though.

Those sims are amazing. I don’t even wanna know the price tag. $20m id guess

Can't even imagine what goes through their heads at double engine out.

Instructor knows that plane very very well

nice, awesome. i always wonder god forbid if there is double engine failure at rotation speed theres nothing really u can do

Gear down is always optional

@flying9249

5 ай бұрын

no

Wow, cool!

The instructor is saying what were all thinking.

Amaziiing

Given Boeings reputation as of late, this may be considered job training.

hopely never to be faced in reality

Да, ладно... 😅 На тренажёре не так страшно!😅😅😅 Хотя, конечно, лучше на тренажёре!

Wonder if it was clear if it would just be worth committing to the taxiway instead of that last lateral slip to the runway.

well.done !

Cool

Thats intense .. I WANNA GO

Gear down? Noooo...

Great to see your ok!! Always nice to have a bad situation turned good, thanks for sharing this with us all 👍

@plane_spotter_italy

7 ай бұрын

It’s a simulator

@rmaxwell3294

7 ай бұрын

@@plane_spotter_italy thank you for your reply, I had a feeling it was because pilots do not joke and laugh in a situation like that also they would be in sterile flight at that time, thanks for taking time to reply!!!

@thunderhorse689

7 ай бұрын

​@@rmaxwell3294I had a feeling it was because the windshields look like a 90s computer game.

@rmaxwell3294

7 ай бұрын

@@thunderhorse689 you are correct, all that & more hahaha, thank you for making me laugh!! Very good reply, made my day....👍

@Ron.Swanson.

6 ай бұрын

@@plane_spotter_italyhey man, just wanted to thank you for calling that guy a fucking idiot, while not directly calling him a fucking idiot 😂😂😂

Imagine gender equality instead of the best pilots :D

Sterile cockpit during takeoff?

That be Auckland International Airport

A bit like me with X-Plane on Meta Quest 3 (which btw is a m a z i n g for at least newbie flight sim through Steam Link with a good PC & router) when some random mystery emergency occurs with all kinds of stressing really loud alert sounds - except that I unfortunately most often in last minute find areas adjacent to the runway more opportunistic for landing. Every day I'm doing a random act of goodness not being a real pilot.

What’s the protocol if this happens in imc?

What if gear didn't lower 😂😂

@OptimusToaster

6 ай бұрын

Then you do a gear up landing and do some serious damage to the plane and runway but the plane should stop safely

@BaconAndPotatoCorp

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter. Number 1 priority in this situation is to get the aircraft down safely and reduce the loss of life. At least getting it onto a runway ensures that there is an adequate fire brigade, medical team, and other rescue personell there within seconds after touchdown which will greatly increase the chances. And of course, not hitting obstacles and people on ground obviously also helps.

Looks like a flying simulator...

@LFCISGOAT

7 ай бұрын

because it is

@christhegoat04

7 ай бұрын

No that was real life

@LFCISGOAT

7 ай бұрын

@@christhegoat04 no

@mite339

6 ай бұрын

Take a closer look, it's a simulator. If it was real it would be on the news.@@christhegoat04

@Th3OmegaPoint

6 ай бұрын

no shit Sherlock

I hate when the instructor says the most obvious inputs….doesn’t help one bit. These pilots are professionals at this stage they don’t need advice like it’s their discovery flight

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Yeah it was a bit annoying. I asked him just to leave me to it and see what happens. To be honest I think I would’ve done a better job if he’d just keep quiet. The whole point of the exercise was to give me a double engine failure and see if I can single-handedly land the aeroplane.

@lasselasse5215

5 ай бұрын

​@@AirBlairNZ In my youth, I practiced gliding in Sweden. On one of my first solo flights I accidentally suddenly found myself in a cloud, without any other IFR skills than Newton provided. I reported, in a calm voice, to the flight operations officer that I had "poor visibility" and simultaneously pulled the air brakes which got me out of trouble. What I meant though was that I saw nothing, at all. However, for some reason the officer got the idea that I needed micro-managing on the landing procedure. That didn't work - at all - for me, as it somehow broke my internal brain auto-pilot, and ended up in a unnecessary landing a few meters before the runway. Oh well, the club members got their cake, which was claimed from anyone outlanding.

Turn back toward teterboro!

wow so close

plane software? flight factor?

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Air New Zealand 777 simulator

What happens on a double engine failure shortly after rotate?

@BarryHofland.

6 ай бұрын

You land in the Hudson

@jort93z

6 ай бұрын

If it is shortly after rotate you can probably just land on the same runway again. If you are using the full length of the runway for your calculations, you will probably take off around 2/3rds down the runway. So if you touch back down, you'll probably run off the end(depending on runway length), but better than crashing into some building. Well, if there is water or something beyond the runway, good luck. Planes manuver like ass when you lose both engines because there is a lack of air over the wings. So you probably couldn't even do anything else if you tried. But if you have enough height manage to manuver, you could try to land on a different runway from the same airport as well, or at a very close airport, depending on how they are arranged and how much altitude you have. Perhaps something like, taking off on runway 04 at KDCA, your engines cut out, and then you turn left and switch to 01 or even 33. Or if you are taking off at KLAX 07R, you might be abler to go a bit to the right and get runway 07 at KHHR. Depends what you consider "shortly after" tho. if you are only like 200 feet in the air, you really can't manuver at all yet.

@nonegone7170

6 ай бұрын

@@jort93z If it's shortly after rotating that means you've passed the rejected takeoff speed, meaning you're committed no matter what in most cases.

@jort93z

6 ай бұрын

Well, committing to what? You probably can't relight the engines that shortly after takeoff, so you are landing again either way. Just gotta decide where. As I said, if you touch back down shortly after rotation, you are probably running off the end of the runway, but better than crashing into buildings behind the runway.@@nonegone7170

@lexustech48

6 ай бұрын

Technically, if your already rotating youve gone past V1 which is maximum "safe" rejected takeoff velocity. At that point youre honestly out of runway to do anything meaningful. But if you have a double engine failure moment of rotate, whats worse? Try to take off and find as open an area as possible to set down or slam the brakes and just prepare to go off the end of the runway? In many airports the end of the runway is a fence and then dense urban area. Neither situation will end "well". Only, the least worse choice.

Wow, that was really bad choice. Too much bank angle at no power. Risked a serious stall. Water would have been the better option.

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

A stall at 250kts? Riiiiight

@Bigalinjapan

6 ай бұрын

@@AirBlairNZ Ever heard of load factors? Ever considered vectors due to the excessive bank angle? Oh boy...

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

@@Bigalinjapan so you reckon it’s better putting it into the sea then completing a successful forced landing on a runway? Interesting

wasnt stable on final... he shouldve gone around

@m1co294

4 ай бұрын

You have to be joking right?

Were you able to hire the sim?

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Yes kind of. Bit of a long story. I’m a 2000 hour PPL who normally flies a Cessna 182. I’ve never flown a widebody jet. I asked the training Capt to give me a double engine failure shortly after takeoff and see how I would do without any training. Looks like everyone would’ve survived

It's nice to watch but it would never play out like that in real life. - traffic - weather - decision time - before decision time even realization time what just happened - additional factors like approach not known etc

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

None of those things matter when you’ve had two engines fail in a two engine aeroplane. Make a decision immediately whether you’re going to ditch straight ahead or turn back to the runway you just departed and none of those things you mention matter.

@klamin_original

6 ай бұрын

@@AirBlairNZ I just described the reality. Take the miracle on the Hudson. In the simulator the test pilots were able to fly back to the airport but just because they knew the scenario and immediately turned back to the airport. In reality though a pilot would go through a checklist first. That is exactly what they’re taught to do. That’s why they ended up on the Hudson. No chance of returning back immediately after a dual engine flame out. Plus you can’t just randomly turn to anywhere without having a conversation with ATC, there could be traffic right beneath you.

As a passenger with zero cockpit experience, that initial bank angle is NO bueno

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Why is that?

@BaconAndPotatoCorp

6 ай бұрын

Lol if both of my engines die I don't give a shit about passenger comfort anymore and do what it takes to survive.

@ciaranglobel784

6 ай бұрын

@@AirBlairNZ coz it’s scary

Maybe say simulation in the title?

@AirBlairNZ

5 ай бұрын

Did you think it was a real triple seven double engine failure? How long does it take you to work out it wasn’t?

That was a amazing to watch. I even started clapping lmao

Sully in 2009 Miracle on the Hudson could reach La Guardia from 3,000 feet and 195 knots he had, but he didnt know this kind of turnback gliding maneuver.. So he went to the Hudson instead. Very lucky there were no ice chunks on river. I used to see them in the winter there. They come from upstate New York where is colder and they float down. They can be as big as a house.

@AG-gc5nc

7 ай бұрын

In 2009, Captain Sully probably had too much traffic to turn back. JFK Airport is not as idle as the airport in this video.

@johnp9020

6 ай бұрын

lol I’m sure Mr. Sully was well aquatinted with this “turn back gliding” maneuver as you called it. The difference between you and him is called experience. Only an inexperienced pilot would take a chance and return to the busiest class bravo airspace in the country not knowing 100% if he can make it back without running into any buildings or other aircraft.

@jakeoesterreich8037

6 ай бұрын

Gotta keep in mind the startle effect too. Not evident in this video as they knew exactly what to expect

@ChipMIK

6 ай бұрын

Nicely calculated afterwards. Had they tried and failed by 100 feet he would have been an idiot instead of a hero. But it so easy to sit at a desk and do these theoretical things afterwards. Had there been an iceberg they would have flown around it? The plane was still fully controllable.

@germanbleuer3791

6 ай бұрын

In REAL LIFE , no one tells you before take off, that you are going to lose both engines at 3000ft. In real life you need a few seconds to understand what is happening, plan an action plan in your head and take the corresponding actions. Those seconds while you are flying away from the airport are really expensive. This crew, who did an excellent job, was warned and repeated 3 times that it was a double flame out without restart.

unrealistic training. You walked into this knowing there is going to be a double engine failure. In real life scenarios you need at least 15 seconds to grasp what has happened

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Who said it was training?

@BaconAndPotatoCorp

6 ай бұрын

Lmao, this is obviously not training but just some dude who rented a simulator and an instructor for some fun. A trained crew would react completely differently.

So you're saying if you know a double-engine failure is coming while you're making your takeoff roll, and call for gear down multiple times way too late, you can theoretically land halfway down the runway. Got it.

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

Are you okay mate? You sound quite angry. Anything we can help you with? Everything okay at home? Feel free to share it with us …..

@ennexthefox

6 ай бұрын

@@AirBlairNZ I just don't understand the purpose of this simulation. You wouldn't know your engines are going to fail before you've even begun your takeoff roll, so what is this proving?

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

@@ennexthefox what do you like to do for fun?

@AirBlairNZ

6 ай бұрын

@@ennexthefox have you ever considered it was just done for fun? How about the possibility that the pilot flying from the left-hand seat (me) has never flown a widebody jet before and just asked the training captain sitting on the right to shut the engines down at 3000 feet and see how easy it was to return to the airfield. It’s called having fun mate .

From 3,000 feet agl ? Good practice, but you are not doing a "Turnaround" You are doing "A Turnback". On the Turnaround, YOU GO AROUND THE AIRPORT. On the Turnback, You go to nearest runway, but not turnaround. Nearest runway be opposite one or on sides, if others. In this case you did "A Turnback to opposite runway from 3,000 feet agl". I learned them long time ago. Turbacks and Turnaround maneuver are different. They are not the same. If you tell the tower you are doing a Turnaround, they will think you are going to the downwind leg and will tell traffic to go and take off or land, because YOU ARE GOING AROUND THE AIRPORT. Then you screwed the Turnback with traffic in front. Crashh.hh!!

@SebastianSchleussner

7 ай бұрын

"Mayday mayday mayday double engine failure" should tell ATC more than enough, especially together with intended landing runway.

@CFITOMAHAWK

7 ай бұрын

@@SebastianSchleussner We are turning back can be 2 ways. Turnback or Turnaround.

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