This is beyond cozy content please don't stop making classic Doom videos

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it, and I will do my best to do more stuff in the future.

That crusher secret is legitimately one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in my life. I have played through Doom 1 and 2 countless times, and not only have I never seen that, I never even HEARD of that being a thing in any map! Better yet, I didn't even see it when I did map editing.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, after all these years we usually think we know everything there is to know about Doom.. and then suddenly you find a whole new feature in a map you've played hundreds of times.

Genuinely didn't know the button in E1M8. Nice. Makes sense that it was added in one of the updates, they did a number of little tweaks to maps with those, such as how you can open up the entire wall into the courtyard in E1M1, which I think Romero did purely for deathmatch reasons. In some of the console ports of Doom, like the 32X one, E1M8 is modified to have a smaller courtyard and to instead have teleporters on the sides which take you back (they also erroneously use the weapon pickup sound lol). I was aware of the crusher in E2M4, and even that you could raise the floor, but the thing is that I never realized how I actually did this, likewise I never picked up on how to open the secret area behind you, which is done the same way, the inside walls of the crusher are shootable and will perform those actions, and you may very easily shoot those walls on accident, opening the secret without realizing that was why. Yet the floor raising is obscure. I think the reason this is easily missable is probably that once a sector becomes a crusher, it gets 'locked' to that functionality and it will not perform other actions such as being a lift or building a stair, or whatever, thus shooting that panel would do nothing when the crusher is already activated, it can only be activated again or deactivated by crusher stopping lines. So if you already started the crusher, you would never be able to raise the floor like that. The forgotten stimpack in v1.1 I imagine must be a leftover from an earlier iteration of the level. This area specifically changed a lot during development, it was even a secret area at one point, as indicated by the version seen in the A Visit To iD Software video. I played v1.666 of Doom 2 a lot as a kid, so when I finally got v1.9 much later, I was very surprised by the secret teleporter in MAP03. I stumbled upon the sealed off deathmatch exit in MAP07 as a kid too, and was hugely mystified by it for years, until seeing someone mention that it was for deathmatch, which was pretty obvious.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Indeed, vanilla Doom doesn't allow the floor to rise once the crusher has been activated... but it can be done in a modern port like GZDoom, though it looks weird (the crusher seems to sink into the raised floor).

I audibly shouted “holy ****” when I saw the crusher. Thank you lmao. Quality stuff. I think it’s important the bear in mind that many of these maps, especially in M2, came from the Doom alphas/betas and were started by Tom Hall, who had VERY different intentions for the gameplay.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Heh, when I found about the crusher, I had to immediately start the game up and check if it was real or some elaborate prank. And yeah, the original Doom Bible described something more similar to Doom 3, with people getting possessed, more realistic locations (E1M4 used to have locker rooms and showers in the Alphas), etc.

@Snufflegrunt

3 ай бұрын

@@AlexeiVoronin Aye. Doom 3 also has the Soul Cube, which was taken from the Quake DnD sessions. When Quake was a character, he had a cube spinning around his head that could suck the life out of anyone/anything in his path.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

@@Snufflegrunt The Hellgate Cube, as I recall.

I think they should have just moved that switch in E2M2 further in, so you can't flip it from the bottom. I prefer the older design.

@blarno

3 ай бұрын

They left the bridge switch in the red door room near to the window so you can operate it without the key and hop straight onto the raising bridge.

i really hope your channel grows in popularity soon, your content is great!

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. I'm only doing it as a hobby, but it does feel nice to get all these comments...

Didn't know about the backpack in the DOOM 2 map, because it's not a secret, so i've missed it. Same for the BFG in dead simple, because i've never played in multiplayer (i'm too "young" for that). And the citadel trick is quite surprising, it's well thought.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

If you learned something new, then my mission was accomplished :)

Woah, incredible how Doom keeps surprising us still to this day, great video!

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Makes you wonder if there may still be other undiscovered tidbits that we've missed over the years...

I consider myself a pretty big Doom aficionado, but I went nearly 30 years without knowing about the existence of an entire wing of E1M3 hidden behind a secret door--the one just past the blue key door. This was despite having access to map editors and cheats since nearly the very beginning. I had always either blown past that area or just taken the secret exit to E1M9. I have probably put tens of thousands of hours into this game, and it still took me casually watching somebody's UV-Max speedrun one day to see this area show up and leave me doing a double-take. For most people, I'm sure this area is nothing special, but for me, I was discovering original content for the first time in decades. At no point did I ask myself what the yellow key was for or if that rather large, prominent area on the map that nearly made up 1/6th of the whole level was for anything. On another note, I do find it funny that they would fix the blue key switch on E2M2, but then completely space out on the sequence break that allows you to go straight to the map exit by raising the bridge early despite being based on the _exact same strat._

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Heh, I had a similar experience with Spear of Destiny, where I found out an entire section of the second secret level (floor 20) that I had been missing for 10-15 years... even though SoD was one of my favorite FPS in the 90's.

I played Doom shareware back in the day about one or two weeks after its released. Became a huge fan instantly and yet somehow this magical game still can be surprising! I never knew about the raising floor at the crusher, like wtf for real?! So awesome, I subbed to your channel, please keep making more videos, this one was so cool to find out after all these years!

Excellent, i love finding people as obsessed with the nuances and fetishistic detail of doom games as i am. Plus your accent is absolutely a delight, i could listen to you talk a long time, and i usually get tired of ppl talking fairly quickly. I hope you make more videos like these.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! When I first started, I was actually a little worried about the (Slavic) accent but was glad to find out it's not a big deal after all. Yup, I'll definitely make more stuff in the future... sooner or later.

This is so cool, I love all the little hidden things like this! I actually found the switch in E1M8 myself the first time I played (which was just last year) but I was still getting used to the game at that time so I didn't realize what it did, and just never checked it again I guess! Cool to have that mystery solved. The other stuff I'm pretty sure I didn't know about.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad people enjoy this sort of obscure Doom knowledge ;)

This was bloody awesome! Thank you!

Awesome video. Some new info i didnt know about. Keep it up!

This is awesome! subscribed

Great video! You blew my mind with the crusher! Btw what happens if you activate the crusher and then raise the floor? Also Another interesting one is Map02 underhalls, in older versions in the room with the red key bars the other side also had bars that you could open like a door but were removed after version 1.666, apparently people didnt realise you could open them to progress the level?

@AlexeiVoronin

3 күн бұрын

I did some testing a while ago - in vanilla Doom, once the crusher has started moving, the floor cannot be raised at all... but in GZDoom, you can raise it, which looks a little awkward because the crusher seems to go through it. Ah yes, I showed the metal bars thing in another video - probably the one about "update gets you stuck", since it's focused on MAP02 and the changes that occurred in patch 1.8.

Awesome video!

10:24 this area of the map was reused and turned into a usable area in a custom E1M1 and E1M2 remake for doom 2 made by Razzor

I was watching this video thinking I would know everything that you show, but to my surprise, you uncovered brand new stuff I had no idea about! That's amazing.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

(big toothy smile)

That button to lower the lift in e1m8 is probably there for deathmatch purposes. I had no idea about raising the floor of that crusher in e2m4, and I wonder if that's a crushing floor.

Hey I really liked the video. I knew about E1M8's button, and I vaguely remember using E2M4's crusher that way to kill the cacodemon in that room when I was a kid. If memory serves, I believe shooting the opposite wall will stop the crusher, but I never fully figured it out. What about the bridge secret in E4M2? It's a secret I've known about since the early 00's but I've never actually seen anybody else use it. If you don't know what I mean, in the yellow key room to the left of start, the eastern wall of the monster closet where three baron's come from in UV can be opened to reveal a switch that raises a bridge in the main room. The only good use I've found for it is when rocketing the caco's that spill out of the exit room. Other then that, it's kind of useless, but still a nice little secret I think most people don't know about.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Whoa, now this is interesting. The E4M2 thing seems vaguely familiar, as if I knew about it once, but forgot about it. At any rate, I'm glad you brought it up. I am planning to make a sequel to this video, eventually, so I will include it in it ;)

Sometimes I imagine level-designers editing the levels in spite in later releases. Like the bars in MAP02 or the switch as you showed at the end of E1. If they wanted to better direct the player they would make bigger changes. Or they were just novice level-designers because it was such a new thing. Or John Romero edits the level so he can dunk on other players in DM more readily next time.

@AlexeiVoronin

29 күн бұрын

Heh, I can totally imagine him doing just that. Level designers, as a whole, also seem to have been very absent-minded at times, considering some of the mistakes they made in older versions.

The E2M4 crusher was also unknown to me. The E2M2 was interesting detail, I didn't know, but haven't played such old version anyway. I didn't necessaarily know about some of the bugs like the teleport but makes totally sense, usually on certain editors if you add things and change the difficulty bits they appear, then the very next things you add will also use the last difficulty bits unless you remember to change it, so if you decided to place a teleport destination thing you might accidentally add it only for certain difficulties. That's a common editing mistake. In fact there was a totally breaking bug in Tnt Evilution MAP31 where the yellow key never appears and you can just not progreess. I thought it was on difficulty, but now I read on some wiki it was marked as multiplayer thing only. However there is a speedrunner trick to not need it anyway, haha :)

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

TNT MAP31 has another interesting bug, though it often goes unnoticed, especially since GZDoom seems to quietly fix it. I'll probably include it in the sequel of this video (eventually there will be one, yes).

Again, love your DOOM-Videos! Wonder how much more you have in your bag. ;-)

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

I've been wondering about this myself. I do have several more topics in mind. Other content type I could do is play some of my childhood's favorite PWADs... or maybe some obscure old games.

you can jump the first gap without the switch but it's still incredibly cool

Another classic Doom channel talking about niche stuff? Don't mind if I do.

I only found out about the switch in e1m8 because PS1 doom has the soulsphere in the same spot instead of putting it in the hallway

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Clever :)

DUDE, i've been playing these games for 20+ years thought I knew every secret. It's amazing, it's like gaming dementia lol.

Dude i love your voice man keep doing these fascinating vids! 👍

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Thank you. TBH, I was a little self-conscious when I first started because of the Slavic accent... but my confidence has definitely increased since then :)

The original release of Doom 2 couldn’t be completed co-op as Map 29, the Living End, was missing the player 2, 3 and 4 start things, causing the game to crash when entering the level. On a different note, since teleporter destinations are Things and Things can have different locations based on difficulty level (see the position of the blue key change in The Crusher in Doom 2), I wonder if some map makers have changed where one teleports to based on difficulty?

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the thought of a variable teleport destination has crossed my mind, though I don't think I've seen it in any of the PWADs I've played. But perhaps there is one that uses this trick.

@themartonjanos6194

3 ай бұрын

@@AlexeiVoronin it is worth noting that in E3M6, in the earlier releases, the teleporter destination things which would take you to the outer ledges of the oblong shaped vine building were missing on the easier difficulty settings, making the interior part a softlock. Ironically enough, that level would also vary the location of the blue skullkey depending on the difficulty.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

@@themartonjanos6194 Indeed. And it's not just the teleport destination, a bunch of other decorations around the map were also affected by this. I am planning to include this in the future ;)

Take a look at the unused map objects that weren't set to any difficulty level in the IWADs.

I found the Switch in Phobos Anomaly on my first Play. I assumed the Red Floor hurts you, so I was stuck, trying to fight the Barons of Hell at point blank range and desperately wallhumped everything.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like fun. The first time I met the Barons, I was stunned to see these scary new monsters and just stood there as they tore me to pieces :P

@themartonjanos6194

3 ай бұрын

That's also how I got killed on my first encounter. Granted I also did not know about either running or strafing, but the ember looking floor was ominous and my 11 year old self prioritized not getting damaged by it over, you know, trying to dodge the Baron plasmaballs. I was toast before long.

Любим, ценим.

wow, I never realized those teleporters were actually really intuitive in MAP19

Neat!

map19 teleport is far more clear to find than the other stuff shown. Instead, I'd show map20 buildings as obscure stuff

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

There will be at least one more video about obscure stuff at some point in the future. I'm already thinking of stuff that can be included in it...

Thanks for showing this, was it difficult to gather up all the different releases and to make sure the versions are accurate? Did you start with 1.1 and run updates one by one? Also, just tested the e2m4 crusher and thought - can i trigger the lowering ceiling and the rising floor together? And sure enough, it's possible and the floor stops rising somewhere in the middle, neat!

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Yup, it takes a bit of oldschool patching to get all possible versions. One of the easiest ways is to do this nowadays is to use a downgrade patch for vanilla Ultimate Doom that transforms it into ver 1.1 - from there, you can go pretty much anywhere... There is a specific patching order, though - 1.1 becomes 1.2, which then becomes 1.666, which can be further upgraded to 1.8. As for 1.9 - any of the previous versions can be updated into it, and then it can be upgraded to Ultimate Doom (id Soft made this patch freely available for everyone back in theday - something modern gaming companies probably wouldn't do).

That crusher secret is incredible.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

It's such a good crusher that it offers not one, but two different ways to crush you :D

the dogshit mic quality, low resolution, bad* graphics, _mwah_ perfect

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Heh heh... yeah, I'm using a headset, which is pretty decent, though the sound/equalizer settings need some more tweaking.

How about going through, to activate the crusher, and then immediately shot the wall? 😎

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

Depends on the engine. In vanilla - the floor will never rise again, once the crusher has been started. In a modern port like GZDoom - the floor can still rise and the crusher will then seem to go right through it (it looks little weird).

the pun at the start x3

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

I think I first heard that joke 20 years ago... but it stuck in my mind :P

The E1M8 switch is for multiplayer.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is when it would be most useful... just like that extra switch in E1M1.

With the E2M4 crusher, can you activate the crusher as normal and then shoot the wall for extra crushiness?

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

I just gave it a try... but nothing happened. Once the crusher has been triggered in any way, the rising floor won't work anymore.

@spodule6000

3 ай бұрын

But you can shoot the wall, then run quickly into the crusher... The floor rises until it meets the crusher. And you get squished but if you IDDQD it you can jump out of the crusher again and see the floor has only raised part way.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

@@spodule6000 I think this only works in source ports, though. Can't make it happen in vanilla.

You should make a video on Star Wars Dark Forces oddities.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps some day. I do know of a few weird things in the game...

Didnt about stimpack,most changes in levels and broken teleporter

I thought you were going to tell us that Doomguy's sprite changed for some unknown reason in one of the patches 😆

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Doomguy's sprite didn't change, as far as I know... but the Lost Soul's sprite actually did. It was a very subtle change, though - its face was made to look slightly more aggressive (whereas the old version looked slightly more depressed).

That was a nice video. However, your sound effect volume is higher than your voice over, making some parts hard to hear what you're saying.

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

This should be fixed next time... or at least not so noticeable :)

Only 300 subs is a sin

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

It's okay - I only do these for fun. And, of course, to preserve the arcane knowledge of oldschool Doom.

oi lexa lexa

just when you think you know everything

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

I am planning another episode with obscure level features, so perhaps there will be even more surprises...

@AntiJewluminatiDwarf

3 ай бұрын

@AlexeiVoronin I'd say I'll dust doom off but I end up playing it 9 times out of 10 on switch or xbox

decino fan I take it?

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

I remember the old days when he was doing Serious Sam vids.

@AntiJewluminatiDwarf

3 ай бұрын

@AlexeiVoronin you're an og, I only started watching him in his doom Era but I been playing doom since I was 3 on snes and DOS lol I'm 33 now

@AlexeiVoronin

3 ай бұрын

@@AntiJewluminatiDwarf In less than a week, I'll be 39... when they say "time flies", they weren't kidding :P (and I will have played Doom for roughly 77% of my life... wow!)

@AntiJewluminatiDwarf

3 ай бұрын

@AlexeiVoronin I'm a firm believer in the "toothpaste" effect with life you know the further down you get the faster it goes. I should always be able to casually play ultra violence at least, I made th mistake of waiting to long to beat the 2nd doom eternal dlc and my skills perished, the 3rd dimension is exhausting lol

interesting little secrets - but a little advice fo future. When you are intruducing secret then don't say things like "I'm playing this game for 30 yers and know this recently by accident when I was watching..." - get to the point - "This is crusher, you can activate it by going through it - but when you shoot this piece of wall, then floor is activated!" I'm here for your content not for someone else :) Also showing switch in first secret from a few perspective - why? This is elevator that well...elevates nothing more nothing less. And you don't have to remind that you played this game for X years, you know this secret from source Y and for Z time etc :)

@DeamonSorrow

4 ай бұрын

Also you are showing same secret as "lets look it again" - I could easly go to the part "look it again" to see entire secret. Also don't assume that everyone knows situation or map layout. I do, but someone younger or someone who don't remember it well - this person might not know about "you know this situation". Also avoid standing still and making introduction that is not about what you hgonna do next.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

@@DeamonSorrow - Thanks, I am constantly trying to improve, so feedback is appreciated. Most of what I do is improvised, which is why it doesn't always go as smoothly as I would like it to. Think of it as a self-imposed challenge of sorts.

@relyes

4 ай бұрын

Tell me you are an idiot without telling me you are an idiot.. Seriously, this blatant disrespect disguised as constructive criticism is ridiculous. If you do not like how a creator makes his videos, how about you just don't watch it? Just because *you* are here for 'content only' hardly means that the person has to step behind because *you* would rather not have it any other way.

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

@@relyes I like to imagine I am engaging the viewer in a conversation, as if they are sitting in the same room with me - that's the core principle behind my style of making videos, and I know some people might not like it much. But that's okay - even the most legendary of KZreadrs have never been able to please everyone all at once :)

@ElysaraCh

3 ай бұрын

@@AlexeiVoronin This video style is great and showing us a solid 8 little-known DOOM map details in 18 minutes is perfectly concise. You averaged basically 2 minutes per tidbit + time allowance for the intro/outro. That's completely acceptable and a more 'natural' or conversational cadence like this feels more like you're here to tell us a cool story about your favourite game, not just dumping info on us. Also, what the fuck @ the E2M4 crusher. O_o

Let's go man watches Decino!

@AlexeiVoronin

4 ай бұрын

Of course I'd keep watch over my best student ;)

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