what is the relation about your recommendations of perception studies and the book about the Foundations which you observe as fundamental of your method, in what aspects?

@UseYourEar

Жыл бұрын

Hi Pedro, you can find all of those studies and links to them in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJaX0sabj5XMlaw.html

Bro and How works or practice movible Do when You are sigth singing song with lyrics???

@UseYourEar

Жыл бұрын

Hi Azdruval, how you orient yourself in order to sing the right pitches correctly doesn't change at all. No matter if there is a lyric or not.

Hi. Have you seen this demonstration at 7:09 in this vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/lHqottiqcba3ac4.html ? And look at this claim at 0:32 in this vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/pISHtKpspMmbcps.html. I don't disagree with your outlook on intervals, just interested to see what you thing about these.

@UseYourEar

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jonathan, thanks for your comment. In the 1st video, you mentioned it's quite possible he is establishing a C major key in his head when playing the C note as the reference tone and then he proceeds to recognize the other notes by feeling their "colors" (also non-diatonic notes have their colors indeed). I don't believe he is thinking atonally there (aka interval by interval), he is probably keeping the C note in the back of his mind throughout the entire exercise and figuring out all the notes by always using the C note as a reference - and possibly he is having an entire mental representation of the C major scale which helps a lot in such an exercise, since you are going to immediately feel when non-diatonic notes are played (they sound "out of key") making it much easier to figure out each note. Of course I can't be sure of that, I'm not in his head. The important point is that this is an advanced exercise that requires a lot of skills and surely tonal skills are a pre-requisite to getting to this level, I've never seen anybody being able to perform a similar exercise without being comfortable with more basic tonal ear training tasks. That being said, I've seen a YT live from him where he clearly explains that he recognizes chord progressions by feeling the tonal sensation of each chord - he says something like: "you know the 5th chord cause it creates tension, the tonic cause it sounds like it's resolved". Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact video, and I don't have the time to search for it now, but I assure you it was pretty much what I always say. As for the second video, I don't really get what your question is, he is just reiterating his vision on ear training which of course is quite different than mine, and I'm not alone.

@JonathanOvnat

Жыл бұрын

​@@UseYourEar Thanks for the reply. I tried to do this same exercise many times with both approaches, tonal/interval . Random notes will often prompt a modulation. It's a natural thing in music to modulate. If I try to forcefully retain the same tonic I often fail. Imagine trying to retain a tonic while listening to several notes from a key 1/2 step away. When I do the interval approach I find that my tonic changes more fluidly (which I agree is less "musical" but random notes are not musical). Interestingly, many times I instantly identify the interval and only then the "key color". For example lets say my tonic is Eb, then an F is played and perceived as II, then an A is played and instantly perceived as a major 3rd away and a moment later as 7th of Bb. In fact I think that interval recognition skill is a faculty of perceiving potential modulations. If I perceived it instantly as 7th, I wouldn't know of what it is a 7th. Hope I explained my thoughts clearly enough for you to comment on them. About the second video, he claims he looks at that complex piano sheet music and can hear the actual thing in his head just like it is when played in reality. That's a bold claim and if true, is amazing. He claims it's all built on the base of a great interval recognition skill. I personally like your approach better but still would love to get your comments on this as well. Thanks.

@UseYourEar

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanOvnat yes, as you are saying "random notes will often prompt a modulation" I agree with that. and I also agree with this "When I do the interval approach I find that my tonic changes more fluidly ", and "In fact, I think that interval recognition skill is a faculty of perceiving potential modulations". That's the whole game in interval-based exercises: developing fluidity in shifting the representation of the tonal structure (i.e. going from one key to another easily and quickly). Very sad to say, if you try to do the same while you still have difficulties orienting yourself in a simple major key, it would cause only a ton of mess, frustration and no results - indeed that's what always happens to students who start at such a level. That being said, what you are saying makes perfect sense for me and it's nice to see that we have a very similar view on this stuff. As for the second video, I got your point. As for this "He claims it's all built on the base of a great interval recognition skill." doesn't really matter that much cause you can't even recognize intervals correctly if you don't have a basic understanding of the tonality, so you should always start from there and make sure the basic tonal skills are very solid and reliable before eventually going on interval stuff, which is by definition very advanced. I believe, this is a huge miss from him and certainly, it's causing a lot of people to get stuck - like it happened to me years ago, by the way.

@JonathanOvnat

Жыл бұрын

@@UseYourEar Makes prefect sense. Thanks for the reply.

Eather intervals or tonality it's all relative pitch which is better I don't know but it's basically the same thing different method unless you have perfect pitch which can't be taught unless you develop your ear when you're a very young child Adults can't develop perfect pitch we develop relative pitch their are different methods to develop that doesn't make one way better than the other saying interval training doesn't work it's worked for millions and millions of people over the years it's what method you like the best or works better for the individual their is two types of ear perfect pitch or relative pitch perfect pitch can't be developed as an adult not possible. I'm not saying this way is bad it may be better than interval training but it's one of many different methods.

@UseYourEar

Жыл бұрын

They are not the same thing. Not at all, and the differences are huge. The fact that you wanna put them on the same level makes me understand you've never had anything to do with teaching ear training to real people, thus you've never seen the difference and the potential one has versus the other. It's not a matter of taste here, there are actually specific reasons why one works and the other don't. That being said, intervals might still provide results to musicians who are already advanced in ear training. This is because of specific reasons too. Give intervals to total beginners and they are doomed.

Too much waffle

@UseYourEar

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback, what exactly you didn't like?