Will keep this pinned comment updated but so far, it seems best practice for all cameras with HDMI or SDI would be to "ALWAYS make sure to plug in the power cables first and THEN connect the HDMI/SDI cable" - When powering up your device, connect power cables, power devices on, then finally connect your HDMI/SDI. When powering off, unplug HDMI/SDI then power off. Best practices also seem to include using a v mount plate and good quality cables.

@RunKingFilm

9 ай бұрын

I guess it's the other way around! Power supply always last.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Responded to your other comment but will also paste this here. General consensus here does agree with the order in the pinned comment. Do you have a link to a resource that confirms your theory?

@alldreamsmedia

9 ай бұрын

It would also be great to know the way this v-mount was added to the rig (straight to camera or used a plate, also the brands of the v-mount and plate too. I tthink that even though the intent may be to bring awareness to the issue... you might have also been victim to bad products.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Totally could be the case. I listed all the items in a reply to a comment somewhere on here. I have been emailing back and forth with the V Mount battery manufacturer who has been also asking similar questions. So far I am still leaning towards the ground loop / burn out issue, over faulty products but at this point not sure if it is possible to know for sure what the true cause was.@@alldreamsmedia

@O3_media

5 ай бұрын

what was the cost like to repair?

I'm so sorry your camera had to be repaired and I really appreciate you posting the video and information. I haven't used the setup you described but it's great information to know and again, sorry about what happened to your camera. Best wishes!!!

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Thank you. Yeah just part of the learning journey for me :)

The issue is that not all v mounts are created equal. An easy way to avoid the issue is to buy a v mount that can regulate the voltage that it’s sending to each device. The newer smallrig VB99 pro is an affordable option that does this pretty well. Most cheaper v mounts just state a general output for a certain plug ex- Dtap is 12v & usb c is 5v. But sometimes they are not accurate and can fry ports. Hope that helps!

@blasepivovar

3 ай бұрын

makes sense for sure 🫡

@Butternose

3 ай бұрын

Yep the voltage difference between separate feeds is a killer. If there isn’t anything stopping it higher voltages will flow to the lower voltage down any piece of metal connecting the two, sensitive electronics be dammed! Also devices can spike power when you turn on/off so pulling the hdmi/sdi before is very sensible.

I have a friend whose HDMI on a Blackmagic was damaged and we never knew why, now I know that maybe it was this since he used it in similar conditions... I am very sorry to hear that your XH2S was damaged, I am I bought mine thanks to your videos and today I bought your package of luts, it's a small way to thank you for the good videos you make

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Dang yeah could have been for sure! And wow thanks so much. Really appreciate the support and hope the LUTs treat you well :)

I’ve been using v mourns for years and never had that issue! With SDI ports, there’s definitely a protocol involved to protect your camera, particularly the RED system, there’s tons of videos on that, I’ve never heard that in the hdmi port for any camera I’ve used

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Woah that is crazy. Yeah so interesting. Appreciate you chiming in! Haha makes me feel better that I’m not the only one that didn’t know but yeah hence my confusion how this isn’t a widely known / often talked about thing even with folks that regularly use v mounts. Thanks for saying so! Glad to hear you haven’t been super careful about it and have had no issues 🙏🏽

@bmefilms6879

9 ай бұрын

its been known for years man. First time I heard about it happening was enough for me. every BM 4k and 6k camera I owned, I powered the monitor with npf batteries. I own a Komodo and I use a BM video assist with it, I power that monitor 99% of the time with Npf batteries. Its extra stuff to remember, charging them, do I have enough? etc...but its a nightmare, and a costly one to fry your HDMI port.People have fried their FX3 HDMI port using the dummy battery adapter. @@blasepivovar

Thanks for this… I’m researching to build my first ever rig (with an XT4), and this made me rethink running the whole thing off a V Mount…. Almost makes sense to run the monitor independently if it takes external batteries.

@blasepivovar

8 ай бұрын

Feel that. Now that I have had this happen, I feel more confident with using them but yeah just need follow the recommendations for best practices

Wow, I just ordered a v-mount battery about two hours ago so I'm really interested to see the response to this video! Thank you for the heads up!

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Haha wow that is crazy. Exactly what I hoped for when making this as I know I am not the only one out there!

Interesting. I haven't had this issue happening to me yet (I hope it does not), using the ZGCINE ZG-V99 with the X-H2S powering up the camera and a monitor (Blackmagic 12G Video Assist 5" or OSEE G7), but I do use DTap and USB-C.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Good to know. Are you using a V Mount plate or just going directly from the battery? Could you share the cables you are using?

When I use my rig setup I power my X-H2S and Atomos Shinobi with a Smallrig NPF battery plate using USB-C PD to the camera and the 7.4V barrel connector to the monitor. I haven’t had this issue, but definitely feel for you. The adapter plate I have automatically turns off when no battery is connected or after it times out with no devices connected. Then you have to hold the power button down several seconds to turn it on. I just though this was an annoyance, but practically it means I end up turning on the battery plate after everything is hooked up when I realize my monitor won’t turn on. Maybe that’s by design.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Good to know! Glad to hear you haven't had any issues. Seems like a good design for sure

Actually had a similar need for this same setup, However my camera didn't freeze or brick while using it in this way recently luckily! I'm on Lumix S. I'm still looking for a way to find a small solution to power things, and the best tool I was suggested was a D-Tap Splitter with Voltage meter from Kondor Blue. But also, use dummy battery in the X-H2 instead of the USB-C.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it didn't happen to you! Good to know. Hopefully what people share here in the comments is helpful to you as well

One of my colleagues got his camera (black magic) fried when they left the rigged setup (V mount, monitor, camera) with HDMI port from monitor to camera's HDMI port plugged while camera was powered off during lunch (about 1 hour). When they came back the camera was smoking and HDMI port fried. Apparently the HDMI port can stay active (if you are unlucky) even if the camera is turned off, so it's a good idea to unplug the camera from HDMI when you aren't working, as well as unplugging power cables if you are powering from V Mount.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Dang, that is wild and also helpful to know that it is important to disconnect things when they aren't being used. Maybe that means a V Mount plate with an On/Off switch would be ideal? That way everything can remained hooked up but you can still cut power / turn things back on pretty easily?

@kasperdalkarl

9 ай бұрын

Probably less risk of anything happening that way! I can't quite remember if it was the camera, battery or monitor that caused the issue, but since the camera was off and the HDMI signal was still being powered, the camera wasn't controlling the amount of power in the HDMI signal - I think I would disconnect the HDMI just to be on the safe side.@@blasepivovar

Not sure if this would be helpful or not, but I saw another rig build video where they use the smallrig hdmi port attached to the camera and cage, and the cable from the monitor and plugged into that, to help the life of the on camera hdmi port. Wonder if something like that would help in the future be a mildly protector, or make it worse, or in different.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

interesting idea for sure. do you have a link to that video or that specific product?

Never heard it before Thanks for pointing it out!

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Crazy. Yeah confirms I am glad I made this. Hope to learn alongside you

@mugendocs

9 ай бұрын

Blaze, ive been wanting to ask Where do you get your film transitions ? I love it! The way it looks and the sound Hopefully one day my work can get close to yours

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

I think they are these ones: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qXWA0dGJYaene7Q.html

Thank you for making this video! + so sorry this happened to you. Fellow XT3 user here + use RED Komodos for work. Last In / First Out is definitely correct in everything I've read and it's our practice with our V Mounts powering monitors / terradeks / Komodos etc.

@blasepivovar

5 ай бұрын

Sweet, yeah appreciate the confirmation! Glad you enjoyed the vid! Not a lot of info out there on stuff in this lane for sure

I have a monitor that has a 8V output and USB power out, is it safe to power the camera with the output of the monitor?

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

I actually have no idea :/

Great insight - sorry you had to find out that way. I tended to use battery grips so my camera was powered that way and leant to towards a dummy battery if I needed to shoot for longer. One thing I always did on my XT2/20/3 and 4 was to use the Smallrig adapter to convert the HDMI D port to full size. Rather that than the £200 repair bill ( I'll let you figure out how I found that out) and now feel I have to add an HDMI clamp just to keep the plug secure. I was looking forward to just plugging my monitor into the full size hdmi port on the camera but I'm thinking after reading your post that even a full size port in the camera might still be fragile. I am looking to add a Smallrig A to A adapter so if I'm going to damage anything by repeated plugging in and out so I damage cheap adapter rather than an expensive camera repair. Only problem is that I don't think the Smallrig cages I have can facilitate a cable clamp, so may have to swap them for the Newer brand that do.

@blasepivovar

5 ай бұрын

yeah i wish cage companies has better solutions because I would for sure pay for something that protected all the ports while cables were plugged in

@skewedhorizon3503

5 ай бұрын

I've found that I can reverse the 1693 clamp so it fits in the single screw at the top of the smallrig cage to secure the A to A adapter that is secured to the cage. The main issue is the port covers - the x-h2 is far better in this respect that the x-t4/3 but they don't help. I've stopped using the usb-c to charge the internal battery now too just protect the ports from damage @@blasepivovar

@blasepivovar

5 ай бұрын

that is good to know! i need to look into these cable clamps@@skewedhorizon3503

v-mount batteries and d-tap etc. was something I was weary of for a while, I finally got a v-mount battery for my lumix though and got worried from this video lol I think I'll just stick to powering my camera with the v-mount rather than powering the external monitor with it as well, I feel like I might have read someone saying powering multiple devices with v-mount has more caution involved, so I'll just keep it simple with dummy battery for the camera and NPF for my monitor lol

@blasepivovar

7 ай бұрын

Feel that. I've been using the V Mount pretty consistently now and have just been making sure to be careful with the HDMI port and when I plug things in. But yeah using a separate battery is prolly safer just with the downside of being less convenient

My x-H2s also froze several times, so the only solution was to remove the battery. From my observations, the cause is touching the HDMI cable. There is also a strange thing that when I turn off the external monitor while filming, the camera stops recording. Another strange thing is the way the time available for recording is reported. It is difficult to know how much space is actually left on the SD card.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Not sure if we had the same issue as mine did not have to do with touching the HDMI. After talking with Fuji who made the repair, the whole main port attached to the main board was indeed friend due to the V mount issue explained here in this video

Heard of this issue while I was with Blackmagic and have just stuck to NPF for my monitor power out of fear. Sorry this happened to you!

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Good to know. Yeah I had been somewhat aware of the BMPCC issue but since I never owned the camera didn’t ever dig into it. Apparently it’s a more widespread thing haha? Just trying to figure it out 🙃

I've been powering my X-H2S and monitor off of the same power bank. Perhaps I shouldn't be doing that? Never had any issues.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Same for me. Portable battery banks have given me no issues and it just happened in switching to V Mount. Might be best practice to follow a similar protocol just to be safe?? Glad to hear you haven’t had issues!

Maybe stupid But I just got all my gear for a rig. First time building one. I have a Fuji xh2s All small rig gear for the rig with a ninja v monitor. And 99v small rig battery I planned on powering my camera from the batteries for the camera themselves and then mount just for the monitor. I have the battery eliminator in the ninja v plugged into a dtap- directly into the small ring 99v battery. and the Fuji batteries in the camera body themselves. Do I need to worry about this issue? Does the order still matter or apply to powering in and off? Thanks in advance

@blasepivovar

5 ай бұрын

All good! Are you running power from the v mount to the camera? If so, I would advise taking note of the powering on order. If not, then you should be good as the issue seems to be connected to having both the camera/monitor connected to the same battery. Since this video I have been running my XH2S and monitor off of one V Mount and have had no issues. Doing my best to remember the power on and off order each time. Hope that helps!

@MattRussoMedia

5 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovarthanks! Yeah I planned on only running monitor off mount. And just using the Fuji batteries to power the camera itself

@blasepivovar

5 ай бұрын

Sweet! Still might make sense to just start trying to build a habit but yeah I don't think you should have any issues from what I have read @@MattRussoMedia

Yup, you need quality shielded cables and you need to follow the proper power sequencing. This has always been a thing, but is more prevalent these days with VERY fragile 12g sdi ports needing shielded cables. That being said, hdmi is not a robust enough port and was not designed to work this way. We get by, but with data and voltages getting higher, it’s becoming more common.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Yeah feel that for sure. Could you share proper power sequencing?

@robertman369

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar you pretty much nailed it, last in / first out. It’s a good habit to be in.

@robertman369

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar also, if you live in a market that allows for it, drop by a camera rental house and speak to the techs working there. Generally they will be extremely knowledgeable and helpful and will explain the correct order of operation, so you can do things the same way an AC would on a multi million production 👍🏽

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

@robertman369 Great idea. Yeah we have a good rental house here in KC 🙏🏽

What v-mount were you using?

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

I'll list everything as someone else might find it helpful: Battery: FJDynamics PowerSec 90 Plate: CaTeFo V Mount Battery Plate VM06 D Tap to Dummy Cable: ZITAY D-tap to NP-F550 USB C Cable: CableCreation Coiled Cable C to C HDMI Cable: SinLoon Gold Plated 90 Degree

@dhyanverco

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar I remember reading it doesn't happen if the monitor and camera are being powered from the same circuit. idk enough about it to confirm though.

Sorry to hear …. I’ve run multiple Fuji cameras with a Ninja V from one large 14.4v vmount battery for years without problems. Dummy to 8V and Ninja to Dtap. If Ninja runs as stated with

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for chiming in! That is good to know. So you haven't ever paid attention to the order things are plugged in or powered on? Could you also share the specific cables you use?

@DLHMedia

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar that’s right- I had no idea of possible issues and have been all over the place with order of operation. Sometime I even just pull the dummy battery from the Ninja because I don’t want to wait for the few seconds to press the button. …. I’ve used various cables, but the primary cable for the XH2s is the smallrig hdmi

Heya, Sorry to hear your HDMI port got fried. As someone who’s working primarily in the mid to high budget range with larger crews this has been something that’s been discussed a fair amount among crew. It became especially prevalent when the Komodo came out. Sadly this info hasn’t fully trickled down into the videography arena, especially on KZread. Maybe because it’s a rather boring tech thing and as you’ll find could not happen for 10 years and then all of a sudden you get unlucky and it happens. From my understanding it’s more or less bad luck for the voltage to to go down the wrong connection (SDI or HDMI instead of the power socket).

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Man, thanks so much for adding your thoughts. Super helpful to know this is an ongoing conversation even on larger productions. Is there any general consensus on best practices from people you have been around?

@simvid8107

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar heya, happy to share what bit of knowledge I have. Best practice is exactly what stated above. Connect power first, turn equipment on, then plug in sdi or hdmi. When powering off, unplug sdi/hdmi, then power off. Now some people go as far and do the same every time they switch a battery, and RED does recommend that. Reality I’ve seen is no one does that for a term change on higher end productions, which probably comes from higher end cameras having more surge protection? Below a link to REDs tech tip video kzread.info/dash/bejne/rHmZtqmTaNPemso.html

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

@@simvid8107 Thanks so much. That totally makes sense to me and glad to hear that is the way things are done on larger productions. Updated the pinned comment with that advice :)

Make sure you always buy a cable with regulator. That way you have a little bit more peace of mind.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Got it. So using a regulator would help prevent this from happening? If so, are there any resources that confirm this?

@cvetomirnakov782

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar couldn’t find any sources, but had a conversation today at work about the regulators-either the d-tap or the cable should be regulated. If you can buy all cables with regulators. That way you eliminate a potential weak link. Also always follow the correct procedure of power cable first then sdi/hdmi. Can’t go cheap on cables and batteries when you bought a 2500$ camera more or less. Can’t get my head around people who buy cheap cables and batteries. These stuff get your camera running. Like pouring bad fuel in a car.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Feel that. Any cable brands you would recommend to folks? (Indie Pro Tools? Kondor Blue?) @@cvetomirnakov782

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Sweet yeah that is helpful!@@cvetomirnakov782

General best practices with HDMI is they should never be plugged in nor unplugged to any devices when they are active. It has a low chance of frying your port.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

So this seems to be different than what others have said here, along with the reddit thread and the article linked from RED. You are saying to not plug or unplug the HDMI while the camera and monitor are still powered on? What are you suggesting that the proper order should be? Just trying to clarify

@Danielvincentgordh

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar Hey Blaise check out this video and his pinned comment regarding the dangers of Hot Swapping hdmi. I’m pretty sure you’re dealing with one of the issues he lays out here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eq2stqWpqajTe5c.html

Appreciate the information this is the first I hear of it. Why are you talking like someone is sleeping lol.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful. haha no need to shout when a microphone is 4in away

@frostgodx

9 ай бұрын

@@blasepivovar cheers 😂

It is not an issue with V-mount batteries. It's an issue of people not understanding electronics and taking advice from KZread influencers.

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

Would you care to share more? I think the point I was making was that me + now a bunch of others in the comment section would love to learn :)

@Yupthereitism

9 ай бұрын

He doesn’t know shit, just wanted to be a condescending jerk who SOUNDS like he knows what he’s talking about

@thyerriwolf

4 ай бұрын

If I don't learn from "KZreadrs" where do you recommend someone learning filmmaking? because I don't have the money to Go to the college and get that all.

@therealjimmy5411

4 ай бұрын

@@thyerriwolf Im just suggesting its about who you trust. Just cause someone speaks/posts doesn't mean they are accurate. Choose wisely.

@thyerriwolf

4 ай бұрын

@@therealjimmy5411 yeah, for sure... Most of the influencers are just trying to sell something, but there are some good guys out there as well.

Fujifilm XH2S is a mistake here

@blasepivovar

9 ай бұрын

srry