I have a Suunto MC 2 ( degrees) a Silva Ranger and a Cammenga Lensatic. Carry a protractor with my map in my pack. I always look at the details before I buy. Problem with this is people just getting into land Navigation will not have a clue what their purchasing. Refined my land navigation skills in the Marine Corps almost 40 years ago. Stay Stoked!

Damn. This just made me get my compass out and check

@Deacon72

3 ай бұрын

same - I had made that error but returned for the right one.

@jenniferbauman4802

3 ай бұрын

Yep same here. Mine is right. 0 to 360. Every line is two degrees. God bless . From Glenn CATT. In Massachusetts.

@trace4125

3 ай бұрын

I double checked mine as well luckily I got the 0-360 model😅

@johnreb1861

2 ай бұрын

Good info. I have an MC2, not totally impressed with the quality, but works well for me.

My go to is always a military lensatic compass

@daleslover2771

3 ай бұрын

Spot on

@markgoulette5056

3 ай бұрын

I personally think the military lensatic compass is the best design there is. I've used many different compasses in my years, and my go to is the lensatic as well.

I've dealt with The Compass Store in Winder Georgia and they are a good source. Just thought I would pass along the info. Great info as usual Stoker.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

The instant you brought both compasses out, I saw where you were going with it. I've been using this exact compass for a few years, chiefly because it's light weight and multipurpose. Right away, the big difference at first glance is one has a white bezel ring, the other black. The one you want has the white ring. Personally, I've been using the one made for USGS UTM scales, for the northern hemisphere. It has a white bezel ring with 360 degrees. I don't use it very often, but I always have it on me attached to a lanyard. Saved my bacon at least once that I can recall.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

good stuff!

Good stuff man. I'm totally the hardass military dude that only uses the lensatic compass.

You're quickly becoming my go to guy for a ton of stuff. I learn fromm you every time i watch you. Thank you for your knowledge sharing. BTW USMC 93-97. Thanks again. Cheers!

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Semper Fi!

Good to know. Details are important, even when you’re buying “your” brand.

I made that exact mistake and didn't realize it until I was on the land nav course.

My Bruton compass I bought at the ft.sill PX back in 1982 is still accurate and good to go.

I have a commenga lensatic and a Silva explorer something, but I wanted an mc2 because I heard that's a good one and my Silva doesn't have a mirror and I heard so much about having a mirror so I wanted one... I just checked my Amazon cart and the mc2 I have in it is the quadrant one. So thanks for the lesson and for saving me $70.

I got a Suunto to replace a Silva Ranger that replaced a knockoff military two-three years ago. The knockoff had worked great playing army while the Ranger didn’t get used a lot but developed bubbles. Haven’t really used the new one much. For a while everyone was saying Suunto was the new go-to in the absence of a GPS. Probably should just break down and get a new military lensetic…

I wish Sunnto would bring back the RA-69 model. Chunky bezel to grip with gloves on. The best bit was the way the needle settled so quickly. A great compass. PS for your information. I have a Silva compass graduated in Swedish degrees 400° to the circle, to add to the confusion. PPS Additionally, I have a russian army compass in Russian Mils, which are different to NATO Mils. Take care out there folk, Happy Trails !

@P6009D

Ай бұрын

400 degrees is called Gon and is used in Geodetic measurement.

Went thru many Navigational courses in the Army, back in the 70s Own a knock off Military lensatic compass, not quite as durable as Standard issued. But with a little TLC its works, back in 2007 at Fort Laurerdale, done some work for a retired 2 star General, Brad Smith.. turns out he was in charge of mapping all of Canda, and USA of up dateing all topography maps... Had some great dinners together, he laught when i mention about a KRP (Known Reference Point) using a M2 Aiming Circle...Shoot your Azimuth at 1000 meters, need to be visibly by night and day, and stationary. Then he gave me a run down of his dept.i was blown away.. He said "the Army lets you play with the tinker toys"😂

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

awesome stuff!

I made that error but returned it for the 360 one.. but also have some of those $10 ones

Just look at mine i got the right one. It go 0to365 degrees. Each line on my compass is 2 degrees. So thanks for the heads up . Good video. God bless. From Glenn CATT. In Massachusetts.

Yes sir. I unfortunately years ago bought the quadratic. Ont can’t for example turn to 125 degrees. Instead you have to figure in this instance from 90 and starting over it would be 90 + 35 degrees. Sounds simple but in the field it’s hard. Mistakes happen.

I still have a Cammenga in a pouch attached to my ALICE gear that I have had for 40 years. It's pretty beat up and should be replaced. Maybe one of these days.

So, I am not sure if this is by accident, by familiarity, or done on purpose, but your little setup there reminds me of my old days in our squad room :). Even the echo, lol.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Right on!

@oldsoldier181

3 ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC I can now smell that room. CLP, stale cigarettes, and coffee lol

My Suunto is the Global version. The problem it has, and I've heard this from others, is the needle sticks sometimes when trying to get an accurate azimuth .

Did not know this, i scrambled to look at my Suunto! No, it's a regular A10. The British military use compasses with Mils on, used to know how to use them a long time ago, we even learned in school, the army used to donate compasses to the school and Orienteering was done in physical education classes, got to start early when there's millions of Commies just the other side of West Germany!!! Our local regiments were BAOR too.

@MPiKMS72

3 ай бұрын

The British prismatic compasses were also made to order in Warsaw Pact spec 6000 mils instead of NATO 6400 mils which can be extra confusing.

Yep! Years ago I made the mistake of buying that compass. I replaced it with one with 360° units on the bezel. The other is now collecting dust in my gear bin.

Man I really appreciate the content on land nav that you have posted. It's the little things that make all the difference....when those little things are actually pretty damn critical when you are learning from scratch. At almost 51 years old who says ya can't teach an old dog new tricks!

Agree that is a marketing mistake not to name them differently and not helpful to their own prospective customers. Hopefully should be able to return it if realise early enough.

Thanks for the knowledge on that subject.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Great video, Top! I have both in my kit at all times. Two is one, one is none!

N 27 W = N -27 N 27 E = N 27 Just another way of reading a bearing on a quad compass. And with a quad, if your heading has been toward the east that bearing would be E 63 N instead of N 27 E. All the more reason not to use one for general navigation. Transits and pocket transits have east and west swapped so they read right when viewed in a mirror, which is how you're supposed to read them. Keep your eyes on what you're sighting, kinda like aiming a firearm, glance in the mirror to get the bearing. And you're right, transits and quads are specialized and not for general use. I see both compasses you're showing have an inclinometer too. Those are handy like when you're budgeting energy, carrying out an injured person. You really don't want to gain or lose elevation.

Muchly Informative Info brudder!

I have a cammenga and a suunto, have you ever experienced the needle on the suunto, ticking during really cold weather?

A lot of the vintage Brunton pocket transit type compasses are quadrantal bearing system (Reduced Bearing) too. I've known people who did the same thing buying them by accident. We only use quad compasses while land surveying and it definitely confuses anyone who buys one and doesn't specifically need one.

The compass with 90 degree quadrants is better suited at sea where they indicate directions in compass bearing. MILS are used to calculate distance. One MILS corresponds to 1 meter at a distance of 1 kilometer. It's like you say who can read a few MILS on a compass when navigating. However, military compasses have angles in MILS. 6400 in NATO. When measuring distances, it can be easier. If I know that there are 50 meters between two poles, and I measure the angle between the poles to be 100 MILS, then I know that the distance to the target is 500 meters.

Ive got a Silva that's similar to these two you showed and Im pretty sure its G to G- good info for people to know-

Great video brother

Just checked my recent MC 2 purchase. All good. Appreciate the heads up though.

I like watching your videos on things like this I trust your opinion I live in Oregon I've been watching your videos for about a year now when I found you I've been watching your Land Navigation videos from past and I was thinking of getting one of these Santo compasses now you've made me rethink my decision before I buy it so now I know what you're probably going to say what do you suggest for a compass for me to get I want to make sure I get the right Compass the first time

Whew I was worried there for a minute my favorite compass Suunto 2 .

yea, that's why we use the Suunto that runs from 0 to 360 degrees. They're excellent compasses

One useful videography skill is getting things in focus. 'nuff said.

I had to pause the video and check my Silva compass and I'll be damned if it ain't just like you just told us about. I'm glad I have my military cammenga compass and it will be my only navigation compass, if it's good enough for the military then it's good enough for me.

I knew about the grid one but not the quadrant. I have two mc2. Have to go check one.

Had to double check my suunto Thank God I got the right one lol I bought it direct from them, no way to screw it up

ALL COMPASSES MATTER!!!!

I had to go through my gear to verify that I have the Suunto MC2 in degrees. And I do…. Thank god…. I have a cammenga 3H lensatic in my main gear with maps and protractors and the Suunto in all my hunting packs, waterfowl, deer & upland.

good word

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

appreciate that amigo!

Great video

Thank You For Sharing This Information !! A Compass Should Have A 360 Degree Bezel, No Exceptions !

I bought that same compass in 07 ago to compare it to the one I got in the Navy, I gave it away and haven't seen that dude since.

I have many compass' some for different things. Every pack has at least one. I'll check the ones that matter

Stoke makes a good point

Good video!! I have heard of this problem a few months ago, so I haven't purchased one and beside don't have the funds for it anyways right now lol!! But I have probably about ten others and most of them are cheap Chinee ones. I had a Brunton baseplate one and a couple of basic Silva baseplates but all of them developed huge bubbles in them. Seems every baseplate one I get does that, any suggestions on that problem would be helpful.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Cammenga's aren't filled - a little heavier, but heavy duty.

@MPiKMS72

3 ай бұрын

There used to be induction damped (instead of fluid damped) base plate compasses. Maybe someone still makes them. The old Silva aluminum bezel ones were like that.

Can a compass be stored long term near a carbine, or in proximity to steel? I have not tested it yet if it affects the compass over time.

I mean it all boils down to what you're using it for. For land nav using military topographical maps with 8 digit grids, ill use a lensatic compass with a protractor. For orienteering baseplate compass

@daleslover2771

3 ай бұрын

You can still order them GTA 5 protractor.

Why would anyone create something that convoluted. Makes as much sense as metric. Thanks for the heads up

I found a Suunto compass at work one day it was also a The North Face branded one 👍

I was in a hardcore compass search yesterday. I think ive settled on the "silva ranger s" 20 bucks cheaper than the suunto mc2 and the only thing its missing is the magnifying glass. Which is fine cuz im only gonna use it for scouting new hunting areas. Only concern i have is the noise when opening and closing. Im a total newbie when it comes to nice compasses, so i hope its a good one thatll last for years in the field

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

I’m sure it’ll do you well!

The Suunto MC2 I have has worked it in degrees

thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I made this mistake. Knew nothing. Couldn’t find and descent info and bought the wrong one. Great video and hope people pay attention. Still know nothing. Ha.

Well, how many variations are there for the MC 2 ? And which one(s) exactly should people avoid buying ?

@dson1978

3 ай бұрын

They have one that is USGS. What is that. At least I know ow the difference between northern and southern hemisphere.

I may email for assistance. Planning on purchasing another global compass. Sunto mc2-g. But - your video on commanga nearly had me sold. The commanga is top dollar. I read reviews that left some doubt about how well the build quality is, specifically regarding the clicks as you turn not being completely etched or built to stand the test of time.

Stoker can you do a video on thumb compasses? Genuinely curious if they facilitate quicker land navigating over gnarly distances

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t recommend buying one TBH.

Sounds like wind trajectory or something. Maybe it's used by sailors?

Brother Stoke,which you prefer, im uneducated, i prefer the best on the market,thank Stoker 👍☕️☕️✌️

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Cammenga all the way.

when you have a chance; in your narrative could you add the make model numbers thanks

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Should’ve done that!

@nealgrey6485

3 ай бұрын

It was very confusing-all the choices on the Amazon site. I finally decided on the Suunto MC-2 USGS. I think that it is a right one.

@ed5042

3 ай бұрын

thanks!@@nealgrey6485

Where is a good source /s for the Cammenga H3 tritium lensatic compass? Optics Planet or Cabela's?

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

In the description is a link.

I am on the Suunto website right now. The MC-2 comes with either Metric UTM scales or USGS UTM scales. Is the USGS UTM scales reading in degrees.

I thought you was going to say it was Southern Hemisphere.

@calmolly1

3 ай бұрын

The Cammenga D3 is an expensive but awesome base plate or protractor compass as they call it.

7:39 I can tell this was an emotional difficult video for Stoker to make.

Buy right compass for tight use check the details hello from finland

I Enjoy the Heck out of My Suunto MC-2 Global, The Metal N/S w/ the Clinometer, 1:24 scale, Magnifying glass, Glow in the Dark Bezel / N needle, Standard scale , NOT Metric/yrds Only Inches & Miles here bud and the signal mirror. Cant go wrong Man, Too many Lifesavong features NOT TO. If you spend the Dough and know how to work a 🗺️ Map and 🧭 Compass Correctly, My Baseplate $70 Mc2 Global was an easy transition from being Taught on a Commenga Lensatic back in the hayday. G' Day Man🇺🇲🤘🏼☘️

Great vid and thank you...saved my bacon with a purchase this morning...now Ive got the correct type for my purposes coming in. The devil is in the details!

Aquí en mexico, este tipos de brújulas presentan un fallo después de comprarla aproximadamente en 3 meses se presenta una burbuja en la capsula no permitiendo el movimiento de la ajuga o impidiendo el movimiento de esta fui al servicio técnico de aquí en mexico suunto mexico la cual no se hace responsable de este fallo y te alienta que compres otra brújula de otra marca mejor. triste pero cierto no te dejes estafar por esta marca.

Always stick to the K.I.S.S system and everything will go much smoother.

Hi I want some USGS maps of my area, free if possible, but when I go to the usgs site, I can't download them I remember a video you explained where to do this, but i can't find it. Help! Tnx.

@SPQA2024

3 ай бұрын

P.S. I'd also like a map from the Roosevelt Roads base in Puerto Rico. I live minutes from it so before going in there to explore what they left behind and the structures I need a detailed map. Lmk

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Hope this helps! kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmuL1s2Gpq-umdI.htmlsi=4kDD69t7Hj_Rvadj Their site can be frustrating.

@SPQA2024

3 ай бұрын

Tnx

. but ... but ... but ... Dave Can't-er-berry swears by it

Guilty. My first MC2 bought on amazon was the wrong one and I had to return it. Great advice!

Is the Ranger Silva compass good?

@vitogriffin8902

3 ай бұрын

I have the Ranger and the wrong mc2 in my Amazon cart... I switched the mc2 for the correct one, but I'd like to know the answer to your question as well so I'm gonna leave this comment to follow the thread for the answer.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

it is good to go! may develop a bubble as many baseplates will, but it'll still work.

@zplitterz

3 ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC awesome, thanks! I got one more question, but I'll ask in main comments for others to see it easier. On storage near metal.

@sandsock

3 ай бұрын

Depends on when and where they are made. You want findland made and the baseplate needs a bluish grey tint to them. The recent silva is better, but they had made a lot of junk. If I was ordering a silva in the u.s. I would be ordering from silvacanada.. Johnson u.s.a stole Silva patent when it lapsed and those were made in China. Those were clear baseplate and bubbled with in 1 year. My Suunto mc2 global needle 0-360 is still good after 5to 6 years. My cammenga died after 2 years

Pardon another comment? BUT....If You have a GRID DOWN situation, will any kind of GPS work??

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Depends on why it’s down TBH. If satellites are working, and your device isn’t fried then yes, it’ll work.

@jtc1947

3 ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC Good info to know! BE SAFE / WELL & BLESSED BE!

Lol, but the modern lensatic has dropped all the cardinal direction markers and only works by counting clicks from north. And the precision scale when using the lens is in mills. Those numbers are only there for protractor users, baseplate compasses don't need them by design

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

It has degrees - only need to click when using under limited visibility.

2 cammengas and 2 suunto mc-2g in degrees.

Know your tools, thats all.

My compass better be the right one . I paid a lot of money for it. I'll be pissed if not . But that's ok. I still got a couple of old school boy scout compasses I can use. Great that you pointed this out. Does no good if it just goes to 90 . So I think 2468 10 or is it 369 12 15 or is it 5 10 15 20. Fuck your lost. Just camp the night and go east in the morning 🌅🌄 my friend. Good video. God bless. From Glenn CATT. In Massachusetts.

I totally made that mistake.

Mills are used for freaking Gunners dealing with miles and miles landing an air burst shell at 2753 feet. Mils. This is weird on a compass.

I made that mistake and bought that POS. It is very confusing and I hate it!

@MPiKMS72

3 ай бұрын

Sell or give it to your local land surveyor.

I made that mistake myself.😂

Good stuff here. I hope that's not the one I sent you. If it is throw it in the trash.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

lol, it is - but I'm keeping it. I appreciate all you've done for me amigo!

👍

Raised on lensatic Trained on lensatic Comfortable with lensatic Go with what you know

Do I have to take your silly course to meet you ?

❤🎉

Algorithm comment

They’re all junk. Buy 15 sub $400 compasses and you’ll get 15 different readings ranging 20 degrees. They’re all toys.

Omg get to the point.

@raygrubbjr525

Ай бұрын

Patience young padawan...everyone always wants instant gratification....if you don't know, let someone wiser talk and and you may just learn something. Just a thought...

@3vil3lvis

Ай бұрын

@@raygrubbjr525 Please enumerate the tidbits of wisdom that you gleaned from this verbose bloviated waffle maker.

Suunto is owned by a Chinese company

@dojonim9758

20 күн бұрын

I read an article that a Chinese company did buy Suunto to acquire their technology, however the magnetic compass' are still mfg'd in Finland

Since I really know VERY little about a compass, WDF is "MILLS" Somebody PLEASE esplain? Many thanks. BTW? Pls try to buy MADE in the U.S.A.!! AND When the GENT talks about "DETAILS" and NOT making things difficult for yourself? " SIMPLICITY IS THE EPITOME OF EXCELLENCE!"

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

Mils (short for Mil-Radians) are, almost exclusively, used by the Military as they are ideal for shooting targets, directing artillery, etc.

@jtc1947

3 ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC Mercy BOW-COUP about the terminology!

@sandsock

3 ай бұрын

Silva has a baseplate in mils 0-6400. It's more about plotting a course on a paper map . Then switching to a cammenga to actual navigate.

@RedDevil5081

3 ай бұрын

Educate yourself.....Download a free FM 3-25.26 Map Reading www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm3-25-26.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjV79SVvvyEAxXcxjgGHd6KDwEQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2FGb0vEZYnlFMM12AhckaH

Where did you get this thing from? Sounds like some cheap fake to be honest.

@STOKERMATIC

3 ай бұрын

it's a legit Suunto

@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210

3 ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC First time I heard about quadrant compass. I'm 42, I got first when I was 10. Interesting.

@MPiKMS72

3 ай бұрын

@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 they're sort of a specific use item. Land Surveyors use them for example. If you were not working in that field they aren't particularly useful.

@P6009D

Ай бұрын

@@STOKERMATIC The Swedish ball bearing factory is called SKF and the package says Made in Sweden. The pirated copy is called SKE and on the package it says "Made as in Sweden" I think the compass is Made as in Finland.

I wonder if you could wave them around faster, then do another out-of-focus closeup? Not a way to keep the audience atuned to the narrative. I'm outta here...

@dojonim9758

20 күн бұрын

Hmmm.. constructive criticism ?

@thehunter3386

19 күн бұрын

@@dojonim9758Absolutely...with just a touch of snark!

Cute, less build up, get to the point - or at least let us know that there’s a point coming and not just preaching