I only now have realized the Virtue is not a Winged Candle

@nathanharvey8570

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, I figured it out a little earlier than you, but I thought the same for a while!

Man, the five-fold angels have got to be the most disturbing thing I have seen in this game so far, and in Dominions that's a pretty high bar. Also, I find it pretty hilarious that these guys are spies, you'd think the no hands and giant skin wings would give them away...

@dimas3829

4 жыл бұрын

well, the most disturbing thing about them it's that they real-life based (that's some hardcore Orthodox Christian Protestantism to you) and if their skopets' sects were able to hide from KGB, surviving right until 90s when surviving members came out due to proclaimed freedom of religion, the chances are they would be able to hide from feudal authorities in dominion setting too.

Played Bogarus 3 times, got rushed by 3+ nations by turn 15 every game. most i managed was being at war with 6 people turn 14. Being free real estate early in the game is a pretty brad trait

@miniaturecolossus5242

5 жыл бұрын

What build/strategy did you go with?

The Firebirb Economy is a real and glorious thing

@sr71silver

5 жыл бұрын

What, blood hunt your provinces into valueless hellholes and survive off random windfalls?

@Petterwass

5 жыл бұрын

@@sr71silver that or just stack hundreds of gems of birbs in your forts and become effectively immune to raiding because you no longer need land, just birbs. Or you know, just use the birbs to supercharge your economy by bringing in huge amounts of gems and gold.

@fakeymcrealname9374

5 жыл бұрын

The lack of fire gems always stopped me from having enough firebirds to matter. Base 1 per turn and only slow to recruit expensive fire 2 mages to search for more.

Why on earth would something that's obviously a dragon not be boosted by Dragon Mastery? That's so odd. Illwinter pls. Anyway, great nation overview as always! Looking forward to seeing how you work with this nation in AA5. It'll certainly be interesting!

@eerywax5631

5 жыл бұрын

In Soviet Bogarus, dragon masters you!

a bunch of the Bogarus mage summons have nature magic. Specifically the Cloud Villa's have lvl 2 nature so they might be able to summon the other nature mages?

I want to mention that if one goes full scales (and you should with bogarus) then bogarus heavy cav is enough for a decent expansion (if played well, you can even get 20+ provinces on test games against no other nation). But is tricky so practice it a lot.

@VeilingSun

5 жыл бұрын

I can confirm. 3 order + 3 prod can enable the cap to produce a large number of heavy cav per turn. 1 expanding party per turn if your cap is situated right next to some good provinces.

@GaldirEonai

5 жыл бұрын

@@VeilingSun Problem is that that won't save you from your neighbor who _has_ taken an expander and will just rush your cap to put you down early.

@VeilingSun

5 жыл бұрын

Well it's not a unit that solves all of this nation's problems. But at 17 research points a pop, and potentially 20 if you go max magic. Getting to level 3 research before contact with other players isn't out of the question. A host of options open up at level 3 for Bogarus due to their magic paths. Simple air elemental spam would probably deter or end most cap rushes.

Please stop telling people how important it is to rush my favourite low-key-OP nation. K, thx.

Pendragon9123 a true hero

@carlpult5235

5 жыл бұрын

Bringing GC back to the righteous path of Basic Nation Analysis! All praise Pendragon0123!

if you get cloud villa, they are a3s1n2, so they can forge themselves both a thistle mace ans a moonvine bracelet; thus becoming n4 which can summon mountain villa, who can then get leshiy w/ those items

What a cool nation. thanks for the video

Bigarus is ultimate Disciple in Disciple games - its covers all their weakneses

Bogarus, Vanarus, Rus are all great nations to play. Thanks for the video.

Also love the AA foreshadowing, "You're gonna have some problems if you take the all-father even" lmao

Wouldn’t taking high scales on Bogarus be waving a flag to everybody in the general vicinity “I have hilariously dangerous magic access, have amazing research, and am a blood nation to boot, I have nothing that can kill your experienced expansion parties except mediocre cav, and this is the best shot your going to get.” Seems like Sceleria’s threat level without any of the chaff generation.

10:10 nailed it! 13:49 nailed it again!

I am here for GC saying russian/slavic Words. I could listen to that all day :)

@cornuthaum

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, and now the only thing I need is for GC to start using the proper plural form for rephaite, anakite and the other Hinnom-line units to really be happy

@GeneralConfusionPlays

5 жыл бұрын

@@cornuthaum Wouldn't that be the -im ending? Anakim, Rephaim, etc?

@Petterwass

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralConfusionPlays Anakim Skywalker, the biggest and most cannibal-iest of all Jedi :)

The heavy cav is great at expansion. One of the larger nations in my game is bogarus because they used the cavalry.

After some testing I think you need luck scales to go full firebird. If you have misfortune scales you seem to get the weak version of the good events. I got a lot of 200ish gold events instead of troll lairs and such.

For anyone watching this now, GC's video is great except for one part I respectfully disagree with - you don't need an awake Pretender or a hell bless to expand with Bogarus. The key to expansion is the holy 3 Eparch. At only 145 gold and 2 commander points, you can recruit 3 every two turns to support your expansion troops. They are essentially evocation mages with their smite attack especially if you have a good one like Astral, Air, or Death. I can reliably get 13-16 provinces by turn 12 using just Eparchs, a small number of Mala Druzhina, and the Voi militia with javelins. 5-6 Eparchs will melt even a heavy cav province as long as they have blockers. This tactic opens you up to taking an expensive rainbow or dormant titan or even a meme incarnate bless for your recruit-everywhere sacreds that comes online after turn 12 without wrecking your scales. For example, I have Chill Aura - Stygian Flesh - Luck with a Dormant pretender and only had to take -3 scales.

Great video, thx. Also its good to see non-russian streamer who dont butcherise russian words this days.

Starshine skullcap with starets, earth boots with mastersmith, throw em both on an alchemist you can make coins. You don't need astral on a mastersmith for that purpose.

i've done the firebird thing, and they don't really pay for themselves in gems, what they do is spawn shitloads of mines my capital had like 7 mines of different varities, running around with all of them spawned labs semi-reliably and that gave gems so if you do that enough i guess you could get your gems back. or they might actually pay off in general gem income, just not in fire.

CG, I'm sorry to ask but did you even try to expand with scales? Because as other have said, it is completely possible. The tricky part is getting those first few provinces in you cap circle so have enough resources to mass that heavy cavalry. After that the cavalry just steamroll indies in enough numbers, which you can get since you took great scales. Also, since no unit is cap only you can start filling your cap circle with forts as soon as you have the money, and you do have a lot of money since your recruits are not that expensive in terms of gold and, again, you took great scales. Also Master of Names in magic 3 will research crazy fast. Rushing someones cap with an awake expander is quite risky since pretenders take big penalties in enemy dominion, so I'm not sure how much of a worry this is in reality. As for Zhayedans, they only have 11 MR, which for a 125 gold hard to mass sacred is not much. I haven't tested it but I would guess spells like mind burn and paralyze would do quite a number on a squad of Zhayedans. Also, I think you're underselling the Fivefold angel. They're only 10 gold/year more in upkeep than the Occultist, and this is probably worth the extra blood level when hunting. And it's Bogarus' only recruitable sacred mage (not counting Skopets obviously) so they benefit from whatever bless you might have. Btw, Black hoods are good for patrolling before you get access to upkeep free summons.

@GeneralConfusionPlays

5 жыл бұрын

I did, and yes it *can* work - emphasis on can. It can also very much not work, or at least bottleneck you awkwardly, because Malaia Druzhina aren't all that much better than indie Knights or LA Heavy Cavalry in general. In my opinion it's a pretty significant gamble, and let's be honest; Bogarus' early game is already a high-stakes gamble. Trying to play full scales Bogarus is absolutely BEGGING to get rushed by two or three neighbors simultaneously.

@miniaturecolossus5242

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralConfusionPlays What is about Bogarus that makes you think they are so much more dangerous than any other LA blood nation like Ulm, Ragha, Mictlan, Xibalba etc? Why would there be so much more of a rush to kill Bogarus than anything else? And, yes there is a risk that expansion goes poorly, but how is that really different from most nations? Hell, even with an awake expander there is still a risk it gets nailed by the RNG and you fail miserably. Also, if you take great scales you can make due with fewer provinces and you'll look less tasty to your neighbors as well. (This depends a bit on the meta though.)

@GeneralConfusionPlays

5 жыл бұрын

@@miniaturecolossus5242 Bogarus is a better target in the early game because they're easier to kill. Ulm, Ragha, and Mictlan all have fairly solid early-game answers - Ragha, in particular, is hell on wheels in the early game. Bogarus, on the other hand, just isn't scary before they hit research level 5 or so. Since Dominions greatly rewards winning wars with minimal loss, preying on a relatively weak nation early on is excellent strategy; that way you grow without giving up much, which helps you snowball enough to hopefully be in a dominant position over your rivals in the midgame. It's not that lategame Bogarus is a better Blood nation than lategame Mictlan - though I would say that their strong S/B access and variety of available crosspaths makes them competitive - it's that fighting through Malaia Druzhina is easier than fighting through a larger number of hellblessed Jaguar Warriors.

@fakeymcrealname9374

5 жыл бұрын

Miniature Colossus there are a lot of late age independents that will give you problems expanding with only heavy cavalry. If the resource heavy provinces in your cap circle have Knights, crossbow men or barbarians in large numbers it will slow you down a lot as you try to amass enough heavy cav early. You will also have large attrition especially to independent crossbowmen. The much bigger reason you need an awake expander is because you are an easy target otherwise. If you are only massing heavy cavalry the opponents with heavy blessed sacreds will run you over and it's likely to be 2 or 3 of them rushing you in an attempt to compete for the prize of your capital.

Plz make one for Ma Man i would help when you like?

I just thought of something - use a Virtue to expand but take a Death Explosion + Swiftness or Air Shield bless, turns your cheap little sacreds into suicide bombers. I might actually have to try this.

@fakeymcrealname9374

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel Kraft don't forget fire resist or else your bombs self detonate. The explosion radius is low so you will be hitting yourself more than anybody you are targeting. Also if a spell kills a couple they will not chain reaction your unit before it arrives at the enemy lines.

I will test and think that charged body or death explosion as bless could work, i will test it!!!

@Lancelot2000Lps

4 жыл бұрын

I have test it and it works (had dormant scales + Charged body and Death explosion) it is hard too play but you are safe i could at round 3or 4 every turn 5heavy cav + 6bombs(sacreds) and 1,5 mages, when you find in the first and second turn a somewhat easy province around your capitol your are golden because round 12 you god comes my was Idol of man.

what does drm stand for?

As Bogarus, I'd never take astral on my god. As long as you have E2, once you hit construction 6, just make a skullcap and boots then slap them on an alchemist. Sure waiting for Con6 sucks, but not as much as going with a master smith just for a crystal coin.

As someone who adores Kislev in Warhammer fantasy, I am fond of Bogarus. It's a shame the troops suck so much, I really want to be able to run massed Russian infantry. 😋

Thanks for the Russian Lessons dad.

I wonder if GC actually speaks fluent-ish Russian...

@warpman

5 жыл бұрын

nope >_> he tries to read it by-letter

@GeneralConfusionPlays

5 жыл бұрын

GC's *mother* speaks fluent Russian - I get by on a half-remembered Cyrillic alphabet and diction lessons from music school. :P

@impersonal6959

5 жыл бұрын

Ooooh, some Slavic heritage perhaps? It may not always be correct, but I for one do like the effort. Always appreciated some mad linguistic skillz.

Ah, Fantasy Ukraine/Poland...

@Petterwass

5 жыл бұрын

Huh, I Always thought they be fantasy Russia. You know having Skoptsy and all, but I guess they probably a mishmash

@johnbrearley9791

5 жыл бұрын

Fantasy Kievan Rus

@GeneralConfusionPlays

5 жыл бұрын

@@Petterwass As Type said, Bogarus is pretty directly based off Kievan Rus of the high Middle Ages. The Prince/Grand Prince feudal structure, the presence of the Druzhina as the core of the military, and the emphasis on mounted archery are all directly drawn from Kievan Rus - albeit not perfectly translated into Dominions, of course.

@webkcn

5 жыл бұрын

@@GeneralConfusionPlays The only exception to this are Khlysty: iirc they came from XVII century Russia.

@dimas3829

4 жыл бұрын

Kievan Rus is a fake name made up by western historians. No fucking person living in the region called it like that. It was Rus (or Ruthenia), plain and simple. The very concept of independent state and a nation on it's own in Ukraine's region was fabricated by Austria not sooner than in 19th century to destroy Russia from inside by separatism movements.