I think an interesting third comparator would be used phone with new battery

@ethanmenzel

Ай бұрын

What about a 4th comparator? A new inbox iPhone on the original OS that you upgraded to the latest compatible OS after unboxing.

@Errcyco

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the Apple Store in Sacramento near me just has groups of criminals in the parking lot robbing anyone coming out of apple.. so I can’t even get a legit battery replacement. Ends up being safer to just buy a new one 😮 and create a bigger problem. It’s pretty lame actually. I wish there was a way the user could replace the battery themself 😢 Edit: I should add, I don’t like what the EU and now America are doing to Apple for not playing ball when it comes to privacy, it’s pathetic and wrong. I don’t want to change Apple.. I want to change the world around them lol.

@drahmadxmedss8078

Ай бұрын

thats exactly what shoud have beenn done, 2 variables in one test is not acurate at all

@heartdyedpurple

Ай бұрын

@@Errcyco aren’t the stores in the mall though?

@ilbufalantdellefigurine4488

Ай бұрын

It wouldn’t make a difference because the phone doesn’t slow down if the battery health is >80%

My phone is now so old its showing up in legacy hardware videos. 83% battery health too! Going strong, no noticable slowdowns.

@slimdunkin117

Ай бұрын

It’s not old..he’s just making it seem like it’s old. People still run iPhone 8 and X for the jail breaking

@annacurransmotherofmeghanc1841

Ай бұрын

This Note8 is a beast as well, it’s moving along at the same pace since the screen protector was pulled. Battery is roughly same and with normal use goes from morning to evening before it’s around 15-20% and will totally charge to full in half hour or less. Due to the note7 the Note8 is known for having a smaller battery than the competition at the time. Ram usage is exactly the same as when it was new give or take half a gig but it’s still showing the same amount of free ram available. I never had anything over the screen like a glass protector or anything and it’s on it’s second Incipo Back cover protector, same quality as an Otter box. Both sides of glass still not broken.

@AbdulMuqeett

Ай бұрын

i have an iphone 7+, be grateful

@hamza.991

Ай бұрын

@@AbdulMuqeetti had a 7 plus too just recently switched to a 15 pro max

@5Dqniel

Ай бұрын

@@hamza.991 same. But 7 to SE because I'm so used to the old design

I believe it gets slower because apps are becoming more demanding on CPU and RAM, more features being added on social media apps and games.

@carstuff4u942

Ай бұрын

Fact

@TomT-bn1lm

Ай бұрын

Apple already confessed that if your battery isn't acting correctly, iOS slows down your processor. That of course caused stuttering and slow performance. There are hardly and new features being added that would need more processor power social media apps. Especially if it's accessing a new hardware feature that is not on your old phone.

@jake78441

Ай бұрын

Thats what i was about to say most iphones now have 4-6gb of ram which is quite fast! Now that we are slowly now getting to 8gb of ram

@user-cb2fo8js9i

Ай бұрын

Which in turn uses more battery on an already worn out battery

@ciller98

Ай бұрын

nope

One thing that slows down older iPhones is old batteries. Replacing those old batteries really does improve the phone a lot

@HearMeLearn

Ай бұрын

Yep. I’d believe that even if it hasn’t hit under 80 yet, if it’s below 90 you’d notice a performance bump with a new battery

@BDTigers1998

Ай бұрын

Totally agree with you

@difanaufal

Ай бұрын

true that

@t20594

Ай бұрын

My friend broke the power button on our iPhone SE1 battery was an eBay purchase still hard crashes a lot but we leave it plugged in as a sound machine for baby girl.

@meislit9217

Ай бұрын

@@t20594i'm sorry but how was that in any way relevant information?

Commercial break at 1:13, regular programming resumes at 2:19

@Hotcommodity24

24 күн бұрын

Thx

@GameOver-nm2us

12 күн бұрын

if you're on PC, there's an addon called "Sponsorblock" it skips all sponsors on all videos (duh)

@suplosers3615

7 күн бұрын

Love u

1:59 I don’t think I would bring that on an airplane without TSA having some questions

@charliesretrocomputing

Ай бұрын

Looks really cool but at the same time it looks like a bomb 💀

@DavidPostolache

Ай бұрын

yep. you're gettin pulled over with that thing

@zapod20

Ай бұрын

“Is that… is that a countdown timer?” “Time till empty.” “Ya right. Come with me sir.”

@tarugo06

Ай бұрын

Im sure that they’re gonna work in a different design because of your comment and I’m not kidding smh

@battery_wattage

Ай бұрын

Battery banks look quite similar to TSA scanners.

This video is kind of pointless because Apple admitted that they slow down their phones back in 2017.

I’ve been wondering about this for quite a while. Thanks!

still loving my XS ❤️

@ethanmenzel

Ай бұрын

my uncle upgraded from a 6S to an XR because his Apple Watch Series 4 was not compatible with the 6S. He feels no need to upgrade from his XR but will likely be forced to because, in the next few years because, his Apple Watch Series 4 will not support an unsupported operating system.

@Ilkello99

Ай бұрын

Still rocking my XS Max, works almost like a charm to this day on iOS 17.4

@ToastedMusic00

Ай бұрын

For me it’s the most beautiful ever launched iPhone

@minhlede

Ай бұрын

@@ToastedMusic00 it truly is. the camera cut out on the latest ones just don't look as precious.

@wertywerrtyson5529

Ай бұрын

I have an XS max and a 14 Pro and the XS max has a bigger screen and feels lighter and better in the hand since it’s rounded. The performance is good in both. There are still things the 14Pro does better but I just love the XS max and it feels so good to hold.

Would love to see you replace the battery in the old phone and do this test again.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

Very slow processor and little RAM

When are we going to talk about a beast of a phone and a powerhouse the iPhone XS still is? most people forget about it's existence, this phone is so underrated and still performs so good even on the laggy and buggy iOS 17.

@ruekurei88

Ай бұрын

That's what I'm rocking and happy with it. The camera isn't great nowadays, but serviceable, and it does get weirdly warm sometimes, but yeah, a pretty solid performer.

@VickyMobilefps

Ай бұрын

It has better screen technology than iphone 11 😂

@mrfoxesite

Ай бұрын

yeah

@mrfoxesite

Ай бұрын

but they are different price points but 11 might have better cameras and CPU but 3D touch is gone...

@VickyMobilefps

Ай бұрын

@@mrfoxesite iphone 11 has 3d touch, the only difference one is using lcd technology other one oled technology

Would have been interesting to see how the new phone fared after being updated to the same OS version as the used one after doing the tests you did here

@jackpan4535

Ай бұрын

That’s what I was thinking. You can’t tell if the difference in speeds is because of aged hardware or a slower iOS version. Would’ve been great if he benchmarked after updating new phone to latest as well

@iPhoneTech2g

Ай бұрын

It would be interesting but older iOS Versions are pretty rare so I wouldn’t update it

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

@@iPhoneTech2g Rare or not, it does not support WhatsApp + Mums with System 12. Nothing

@AscensionProject8

17 күн бұрын

This is the real test

Hey Luke! Great video as always! Keep up the good work.

I think that you hit on an important point, Luke. In approximately 2007, Leo Laporte (technology guru/reporter) released an episode of his show where he stated that it was a good idea to annually reinstall the OS on your iPod in order to prevent software-induced slowdowns. Makes sense to me that the iPhone is no different!

@TomT-bn1lm

Ай бұрын

Same advice for Windows OS.

@Jesus.is.LordSavior4

Ай бұрын

How do u reinstall your current iOS

@mrfoxesite

Ай бұрын

my windows install took 128gb while reinstalling it now takes 59gb!

@sublime_tv

Ай бұрын

​@@Jesus.is.LordSavior4Guy is talking out of his ass. Probably means a factory reset but even that's unnecessary. Just restart the device.

@Jesus.is.LordSavior4

24 күн бұрын

@@sublime_tv thx

I use a XS Max as my spare alongside my 15 Pro Max and it works perfectly fine except for when processing video edits and preparing a software update (which might be due to slower storage R/W speeds). Otherwise, it keeps apps in the background with no problems and its 6 year old battery still sits at 85%. I water damaged it once and used a hairdryer to try to dry out the internals. The FaceID doesn’t work but there’s no other flaw.

@carswithdennis

Ай бұрын

how can i use two iphone's with same apple id but not duplicate my main phone stuff to the other one?

@vedanshchn

Ай бұрын

@@carswithdennis Just don’t select the option that says copy from older iPhone and set up as a new device and you’ll be fine.

@alperwolfie

14 күн бұрын

My xs max survived being in the laundry, I put it in rice for 2 days then left it in my car on a very hot summer day to kill any moisture inside and it is still strong till this day plus its on ios 14.6!!

3:26 Look here youngling, that's what we used to call a charger and a pair of earbuds. Back in my day (gets on soapbox) Apple used to provide those items with every iphone sold!

@cw1161

Ай бұрын

Back in my day ,there were no phones

@trustee1108

Ай бұрын

​@@cw1161try to understand the joke

@nylotical

Ай бұрын

I remember having earpods with the clear plastic case. Never broke nor tangled those wired headphones because I would just wrap it up and put it in my pocket. Ended up breaking after washing them for the 5th time but I’m pretty sure it was the dryer that killed it.

@mrfoxesite

Ай бұрын

back in my days i was a baby.

@mrfoxesite

Ай бұрын

they removed it but was introduced with the iphone 5.

Great video! I have noticed similar things in my testing, phones that are 5 or 6, or even 7 years old are still completely fine. It normally just comes down to the battery. On an older used phone the battery degradation over time will contribute the most to slow downs. I have especially noticed it when it's cold outside or when the battery is below 20%, or both. Fantastic video as always Luke!

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

No, my previous device, the 7 Plus, had a battery of 96 and it became slow. It was sold in 21 months 5. An iPhone 12 came to me as a gift. Perhaps if it had not arrived, I would have delayed the upgrade a little, but the device slows down because its processor is slow, and the company may slow it down, and consumption also plays a role.

The findings are already interesting but I think you were testing two factors here old vs new phone and iOS12 vs 17. I think if you now update the new phone to iOS 17 and run comparisons again it would give more insights on how the old vs new phone actually perform as well as how new phone on two different software versions compares.

@annacurransmotherofmeghanc1841

Ай бұрын

I know right, I was perplexed in the comments how nobody seems to see the issue here. This guy is doing it completely wrong if you want a definitive answer to what he originally said at the beginning of the video. KZread is playing one of its games with me today where it keeps recommending videos that seem normal but when you pay attention you start noticing that whatever it is your watching will have major inaccuracies about the videos topic or huge holes in gathered data and never acknowledge it either. Idk why yt does that type of stuff.

@Rjean-paul

Ай бұрын

It wouldn’t behave any differently i think except for battery testing obviously

@jackpan4535

Ай бұрын

@@Rjean-paulcan’t know for sure unless he tested it. New iOS may be slower, less optimised or even more efficient than previous. Seeing as the old phone beat out the new phone in one test, I’m assuming the efficiency of the OS can impact the speed

@iPhoneTech2g

Ай бұрын

Please don’t update the iPhone! It’s very rare on iOS 12 and collectors like me wish we would have that phone on that version…I only have one on iOS 16.2.1 and one on 17.0.3

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

@@iPhoneTech2g How stupid. Take an iPhone 6 and you will find it with the same system

Here I'm using the 6s 128gb 😂 still keep up in 2024 (FYI Battery, home button,Screen has been changed)

@lakeline6317

Ай бұрын

My iPhone 6 just died before Christmas 2023. It lasted more than 8 years. I got the battery replaced by Apple in 2019. It was at 68%. I just love the form factor of the iPhone 6, so easy to fit in my pocket.

@tarugo06

Ай бұрын

@@lakeline6317what phone do you have now?

@emilsecker7881

Ай бұрын

Time to upgrade that shite. Should’ve done it in 2022. You’re missing out

@emilsecker7881

Ай бұрын

@@lakeline6317don’t tell me you actually used it till then. It’s been insecure for YEARS

@user-bg9tz5lt5w

Ай бұрын

I'm using the original SE because they won't make a legit tiny phone and I like that size. I replaced the battery for $50 and it works like new. I only use it for photos, texting, calls, alarm clock, and GPS. Safari is fast enough, but it's hard on my eyes so I don't read much on it.

Literally just had my battery replaced on my 12 pro max after it getting to 77%, and was noticing considerable lag and stuttering. Glad to say, I can confirm it seems like a new phone again after getting the new battery! 🎉

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

12 It is still very strong and true. If the battery drops below 79, it starts to slow down, but also if the processor becomes old, even if it is 100 percent, it will slow down.

Would be cool to see picture quality too! My brother and I were discussing how our photos seem higher quality when we first got our phones compared to after a few years of usage

It would be interesting to see if replacing the battery in the old one would increase benchmark scores.

This is the only video on yt testing this , good job but i wanted more app opening speed test specialy with heavy games

Well apple actually admitted that they slowed down older iPhones

@dsfgdsg233

55 минут бұрын

this was long time ago, i think after the lawsuit they have never done it again.

I would've also done tests with the old phone, then upgraded to the latest ver to do a 3way comparison.

You should have updated the unboxed phone to iOS 17 as a last test to see if getting a new battery is all a phone needs! For someone who uses a Xs or 11 hoping to hold onto it while it still gets updates, that would have been great info.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

The battery is not everything, but if it is weak, it contributes to slowing down the device, but if its percentage is high, then it is a problem of both.

i found this video very interesting. keep up the great work.

This thing is on my mind for over a long time it's exciting to see someone making video about this

The nand flash inside your phone also degrades over time especially if you keep your phone full all the time and it can cause slowness also

@colindoyle9876

Ай бұрын

You're the only wise one here.

I can tell you that on the macOS side, Ventura and Sonoma are both WAAAY heavier than their predecessors...

@thebuddercweeper

Ай бұрын

That makes perfect sense, they're now being developed with much more powerful hardware in mind.

@Zebra_Paw

Ай бұрын

@@thebuddercweeper I can tell you that with future macOS versions, the M1 MacBook Air is not gonna feel anywhere as snappy as it does today... which is their plan. Making devices outdated, while a 12 years old PC can be snappy on Windows 11! Just like creating gigantic ewaste with iCloud locks, on actual COMPUTERS!

@thebuddercweeper

Ай бұрын

@@Zebra_Paw That's ridiculous. Even older Intel Macs still run fine despite their relatively extremely limited computing power

@Zebra_Paw

Ай бұрын

@@thebuddercweeper macOS support doesn't last very long, community had to make patchers, and while they're fantastic tools, they can come with caveats, and they won't change how slow Sonoma is on dual cores. I've been hackintoshing lately, and in macOS, a PC laptop with an i5 3210m feels much faster than a MacBook with that same CPU. Probably because of the terrible cooling in Macs. But, I don't even have to do that, because Windows 11 has more or less out of the box support for ancient hardware, the drivers can be installed and it just works!

@thebuddercweeper

Ай бұрын

@@Zebra_Paw 1. Using the previous version of macOS is not a huge deal, they all do mostly the same things you just don't get the latest features. 2. Windows 11 only officially supports 8th gen intel CPUs and later, or Ryzen 3000 and later. I would not call that "ancient"

Great vid Luke, exploring the everyday real-world questions. 👍 Probably battery wear and latest iOS on an older phone plays it’s part. I guess also no surprise that ‘bloat’ over time is a major factor. But if you’re like me, the will is weak to clean out your phone and delete all those apps you used once, 4 years ago.

Great video, thanks for making it.

Why it says M2 MBA in 10:07?

@XeZrunner

Ай бұрын

Probably re-used some chart from a previous video and forgot to change the label.

@Darsh0606

Ай бұрын

but why are they so similar😭

@tdrg_

Ай бұрын

@@Darsh0606bc he put M2 MBA by mistake

@davidbelecci6970

Ай бұрын

April Fools;p

@meislit9217

Ай бұрын

@@Darsh0606the numbers and graphs are correct and from the two phones in the video, it was just mislabeled as macbook air

Putting in a new official Apple battery would be an interesting follow up test. I've personally witnessed a few times a phone was stuttering and dropping frames while reporting normal battery health, but replacing the battery vastly improved it.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

The 96's battery was slow and had nothing to do with it unless it was fundamentally weak

woah nice this was such a nice video!

Very nice to test this. To me, what makes it feel slow is the apps that you have installed on the device.

I am still using an iPhone 6s Plus and it’s still working fine.

Please compare quality of photo/video from these 2 phones with different OS versions.

@rafaelklynger

2 сағат бұрын

I came to the video expecting this test

Luke in IT and phone shops in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam you can still buy new old iPhones still in sealed boxes. You’ve just inspired me to go and see just how old an iPhone I can buy.

Upgraded my XS last September! Broken screen, 72% battery & full memory but still an amazing device!!!!!

I was laughing at the comparison graph at 10:07, iPhone vs a M2 Macbook Air 😂😂

@FarrasAmaliM21

Ай бұрын

yeah..like.. whyyyyyyy he did that :facepalm

@WooferCooker

Ай бұрын

Oops. Definitely an editing error

My 15 pro max's performance was absolutely flawless when I bought it. 2 months and a few ios updates later, the phone sometimes stutters and does other weird little things. Sometimes the keyboard doesnt wanna work, an app doesnt work, or there is a lag in the animations. It doesn't happen all the time but that 5% of the time it does, really gets me because it was perfect before I updated it. This just me?

@jetfu400

28 күн бұрын

it's not just you. my old ipad works fine too. but years later, it forced me to upadte because it says "can't install apps please update to latest version of ios". than i was forced to update and low and behold, it got slower, lags frequently basically unusable now.

I noticed the most with my iPhone 6 after four years of constant use. I even had visited Genius Bar when Apple announced the special discount for the battery replacement. The technician was astounded that the battery life was almost like new after four years and couldn't understand how it was to be. I explained to him that I never let it drain down to below 20%. However, he stated that the battery was in "pristine" condition so nothing could improve the increasingly molasses speed.

@tarugo06

Ай бұрын

What was the battery health?

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

It's true that my 7 Plus had a 96 percent, but it was slow

I have a 13 pro max (ik not very old yet) but i did start to feel like my phone was getting slow and the battery was draining too quick. it used to last about two days when it was new, then it started to only last about a day. Later on, I had my battery replaced since my phone was damaged and it would be good to replace the battery too. I got my phone back and it felt like a brand new phone again, lasts about two days on one charge and runs smooth. Just take care of your battery, don’t stress out your phone, and try not to max out your storage!!

You had a good chance to do something no one has ever done before, but you just messed things up by not putting in effort and not using the opportunity at all

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

yes

@DDArmy

19 күн бұрын

I agree I think this is a really bad video

@michaszewczak7392

12 күн бұрын

yea indeed, video is so base. Why didnt he update the new phone to newsest iOS to check, if update slows down the phone? Or replace battery in an used phone?

What was the battery health on the new iPhone? Be interesting to know

@_WF23

Ай бұрын

It’s new, so obviously 100%…🤦🏽

@Hellsnight

Ай бұрын

@@_WF23 yes but its been sat in a box for 6 years ish so the health might have gone down a bit

@diegowasmyidea

Ай бұрын

@@Hellsnight battery only really degrades as you use it and recharge it

@WooferCooker

Ай бұрын

@@diegowasmyideaNot really. Batteries do degrade with time as well. There are many cases of new in box MacBooks that are 4+ years old dead on arrival due to batteries not charging.

@diegowasmyidea

Ай бұрын

@@WooferCooker interesting

file transfer speeds would’ve been a good test to run. as well as seeing temperatures of both devices under stress. my xr used to get extremely hot while facetiming

I Always wanted a video like this😂

Replace battery and test again.

What’s the battery health of the new phone -_-

This is great video for peoples looking to buy old second hand iPhones

I did a similar test years ago with the iPhone 5, and I can tell you that there was definitely a great deal of slowdown when upgrading to iOS 9, and iOS 10 was practically unusable. It ran so well on iOS 8 though.

This isn’t scientific. There are OS optimizations for certain apps with certain versions of the benchmark apps you’re using. The way you want to do it is use the same version of the benchmark app that goes with the year the OS was release. Do not use the same version of whatever benchmark app you plan to use. This skews the data.

@LaughOutLiberty

Ай бұрын

You missed the point of the video. Luke basically summarized at the end that despite the very slight differences in synthetic tests, user experience isn't really affected to a point where it's beyond subjective.

@bosenngantor9160

Ай бұрын

and it doesn't need to be too scientific anyway...that's not the point. this was not a speed test

@IDontKnow-bb6mt

Ай бұрын

You're assuming the os itself isn't coded to slow down older phones. We've already proven that Apple intentionally slowed down older phones once.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

@@IDontKnow-bb6mt Systems that do not slow down 10 and before because they do not need to be slower. Yes, a company slows down old devices in one way or another, and if they do not want to slow them down, they will stop developing new processors and devices.

What you should do is do the test as you did, but then take the iOS 12 device and update it to the latest iOS version and test against itself previously.

@Skywalker96214

Ай бұрын

Yup, this is the only way to have a fair test: same phone, same settings, same apps, different IOS. Although, I still believe the iOS 12 on iPhone 10 will be slightly faster than iOS 17 on iPhone 10, because the iOS 12 is optimized for iPhone 10, whereas the new iOS versions are optimized for newer iPhones.

@leksetengah

Ай бұрын

Wtf is the point? Why dont reset xs with ios 17 and compare against new xs with ios12? Thats make more sense

@TurboBass

Ай бұрын

@@leksetengah It is good to include data from the same device on both iOS 12 and iOS 17. More data the better.

Amazing analysis!!!

It would be interesting to see benchmarks on both device running same software. Just wanted to see whether the battery health has a role in phones performance.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

Battery health under 79 and below has an income above it has no income

i don't think you can use any bench software, apple detect those and make it work as it should, if you want to truely see the difference, use games or heavy productive app like photoshop etc

@tdrg_

Ай бұрын

Never proven true.

@avishekghatak2176

Ай бұрын

Samsung does not Apple

@avishekghatak2176

Ай бұрын

Samsung does not Apple

Who else is watching this on a XS?

@Ilkello99

Ай бұрын

Me

@Madeintheshade65

Ай бұрын

Xs and Xs Max are still very good phones I purchased both for 350 dollars last year and they were in mint condition Xs battery life at 89 % and the Max was at 87 %

@keith.s7139

Ай бұрын

@@Madeintheshade65 Nice! I love my XS, have had for close to 3 years and replaced the battery about a year ago. Great phone, not even slightly compelled to upgrade

@farazking4699

Ай бұрын

Watching on X

You should’ve tested something like iPad 2018, it’s literally unusable now on iPadOS 17. It was very fast on IOS 12, but now it drops to 30 fps even in Hill Climb Racing and crashes frequently. Benchmark score is the same, but real life usage performance drastically changed.

Great video, would think that a lot of difference would be due to the battery health. What I’ve been wondering is if apple have been slowing down the Intel Macs?

It's the security and the new features that make the phone feel slower. New and extra unplanned software items running in the background on an older phone cause it to feel like a slower phone over time. And with the battery aging degraded capacity over time- the phone experiences voltage dips when the processor loads while it's working hard- to prevent the voltage from collapsing and the phone shutting off instantly, they can downclock the processor to prevent voltage dips. (When I say downclocking, that can also assigning the work to the efficiency cores rather than the performance cores. -this could explain why there are variances in performance on the used-phone in the synthetic benchmarks.) The experiment to have also include would have been to fully upgrade the iOS on the brand new phone, then repeat the benchmarks. This could have made this comparison pretty definitive because nobody on KZread or tech news sites have done it yet.

@tarugo06

Ай бұрын

But usually iOS doesn’t have much bigger updates right? I mean, I don’t see much change in every iOS, more if we compare 16 to 17

@thundertwonk2250

Ай бұрын

@@tarugo06you’re thinking too surface level

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

@@tarugo06 There is a difference in terms of security updates and compatibility with new programs. Any difference, if it is trivial, burdens a device

You should have upgraded the new phone to the same iOS version. That would eliminate what is the biggest difference in performance. The new phone wasn't really faster - In some tests it was and in others it was slower. But the difference is so small that the reason for the difference is most likely the major difference in iOS versions and minute differences in how fast you click on one compared to the other. You could take 5 brand new iPhone 15 Pro and run the same benchmark - you would get 5 different results all differing within a few percent of each other. Short version: No, the iPhone does not slow down. Differences in performance is minute and is explained by newer iOS versions having more features and usually requiring a bit more CPU and that every single CPU has slight variations in performance.

excellent topic!! I just skipped ahead to @9:45 for the results. But i will come back and watch it again at some point.

Luke, it is likely that Apple pushes out a larger minor update that is slower and more stable in order to prepare for the annual major update, while eschewing anything that may give increased performance? Could you do a test with a phone still on a prior to minor update, and with the minor update before a major upgrade to software?

The XS isn't even that old. Since the release of the 6s, iPhones have generally performed acceptably on newer iOS versions (though the 6(and older) did experience slowdowns over time). With newer models like the XS, it's harder to notice any decline in performance.

@dark_nightwing_xl2797

22 күн бұрын

Exactly

Actually since iPhone 5S onwards due to improved performance they aren't unusable like the 4S or 4 on the latest iOS versions. Since XR series on wards they are still very good like what you found in the video, very usable. Atleast this is what I noticed.

@Eddy_E.

Ай бұрын

Even the 5 is still useable on the latest software it runs, the 4s, iPad 2, iPad mini 1 where the last devices with those issues…

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

@@Eddy_E. The iPad 2, even on the latest version, had great performance, but most of it was used for games without the Internet, and this is what maintained its performance.

With this you will resolve whether or not planned obsolescence exists, thank you.

I've been using iPhone 7 Plus from 2016 until a few months back, on the end it did get slower, but I think was due to the battery getting below 80% and the apps getting more resource hungry. After battery change the phone works like new, no complaints whatsoever. Only upgrated to newer model because many apps stopped working under the old iOS and the 32GB it has is not enough. I guess it comes to iOS being well optimized, if an old phone with only 3GB ram and 4 core processors work so well 8 years on. Good luck achieving this with an android phone with 100GB ram and 100 core CPU, you will be lucky if after a year the android isn't freezing and crushing all the time.

I think RAM and battery condition are most likely culprits for most people on later upgrades of iOS.

They don't optimze new iOS versions for older screens anymore, so everything feels cramped. I think that is the noticable difference.

i would love to see a comparison of the new iphone xs with the latest ios vs old iPhone xs with the latest ios!

As a guy daily driving a XS for 4 years, I'm still impressed how fast it is for every single task and how good the camera still is today. I haven't found a reason to upgrade yet because of how good it is and HOW PRETTY IT IZ COMPARED TO 11 TO 15. I mean... Gold XS is the prettiest iPhone

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

It is beautiful compared to what came before and after it, but the beauty will disappear with the next update

5 minutes ago gang where u at

@Sevory_type_beat

Ай бұрын

im here bro 5 min gang forever

@philippeggmann9809

Ай бұрын

*50 min

@FuckMargaretThatchher

Ай бұрын

1h gang 😅

inaccurate, use the same colour and storage for +5% performance

I've been contemplating creating a video on this very topic but haven't found the time, so I was thrilled to see your deep dive into it. Your conclusion resonated with me, especially based on my experience with my iPhone 8. I got it new in 2018, and by 2022, it was evident that it needed a battery replacement-four years seemed like a good lifespan for a battery. After Apple replaced the battery, I noticed that its health began to decline much faster than the original, and within a year, I was facing the need for another replacement. Apple's stance was that battery performance varies with usage, which is understandable. Assuming the replacement battery was of the same quality as the original, the only variable that had changed was the software. Like the conclusion you've drawn, I don't believe Apple is intentionally causing batteries to degrade faster. Instead, what seems to be happening is a matter of hardware limitations. With each software update requiring more from the hardware, my iPhone 8, which has only 2GB of RAM, struggled. I noticed that switching between apps often forced them to reload from scratch, suggesting a RAM limitation was making the device appear slower. This constant reloading from storage likely led to the increased battery drain I experienced. It's interesting to consider how modern iPhones, even with 4GB of RAM, might not currently face this issue. However, I anticipate similar challenges as they approach their end-of-life phase, echoing the cycle I've observed with my iPhone 8. This insight into hardware limitations versus software demands sheds light on the broader implications of our devices' longevity and performance.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

In fact, even the Plus versions with 3 RAM are slow. 4 may face restrictions in the future, but it will remain better than its predecessor.

@TechTalkofDan

23 күн бұрын

@@user-ue9sz5rj9w It'll come down to how much RAM the later iOS and apps require. I think 4GB will remain usable for a few more years before killing batteries.

It might be interesting to update the software on the new phone to the same one as the old phone to see if the change in OS contributes to the slowdown.

@user-ue9sz5rj9w

25 күн бұрын

yes

First!

@Sevory_type_beat

Ай бұрын

luckyyyy

I think it does if you update to the latest version of iOS. Basically the version of iOS your phone comes with out the box is the most ideal version you’ll ever have. It’s been written specifically for that device, while being fitted and adapted to every device prior to that years device. So if you want to keep your phone running in tip top shape, don’t ever update past the current year of iOS and get a new battery every year of two. Otherwise yeah it slows down over time.

I found this video really interesting. Good points.

Good job with the video. I think the batteries are where the devices differ. Maybe if the used phone had a battery replacement, it would have run on full performance mode as compared to when it has less that 90% battery? maybe that was a factor?

I suggest trying the same test with the storage (partially) filled up. It's probably throttling itself once storage gets fuller because it runs out of swap space or something.

I believe the main problem is RAM. My first gen iPad Mini hasn't been usable in years. I'm still using an iPad Air 2, but it's starting to drag its feet and it's especially noticeable when using Safari. Apps like KZread tend to run fine even on older devices, but the web sites we browse and the ads displayed on them become take up more and more RAM. When RAM is getting full, the system has to do extra work to figure out what resources can be unloaded and where to collect garbage etc. In addition, new versions of iOS add more system features that take up more RAM and you probably have some apps that do background processing. With that said, I removed a lot of apps that I didn't use regularly from the iPad and it didn't really speed up. I can still have KZread and Safari side by side on it, but loading a heavy web page will make the video stutter. In comparison, my 12.9" iPad Pro (2nd gen) is still smooth for everyday tasks like browsing etc.

Im very impressed how you managed to handle it without it crumbling to dust. A true relic of our past

Best designed iPhone ever. Especially in gold. The gold XS Max makes me feel things.

Thanks Luke ! I think this video does a good job on debunking any claims of Apple doing "planned obsolescence".

I got a Xs-max when it was new, I kept it till earlier this year,and it never slowed down at all even though all updates,I upgraded earlier this year to a 15pro-max. Also had a Samsung s-10 when it was new and also upgraded that this year as well with a s-24u. (One is my personal phone the other is my business phone.)

I'm currently using an iPhone XS black myself and i gotta say it's having issues with the heat, if i ever tried to do anything without sitting in a room with AC on or using the phone cooler it just gets too hot and decrease the screen brightness automatically, and it also runs out of battery faster too

Nice video different perspective ❤

Great video. Some really old iPhones are still usable while being slower, but can’t say the same for some Androids. 😅

@nikkstar9970

Ай бұрын

Have an S7 , though I don't use it anymore it still works perfectly. So stop spreading your lies.

The thing most people don't think about is the hardware requirements newer OS' have. Older phones update the OS but you cannot upgrade the hardware.

The XS is my favorite iPhone. Perfect size, 3D Touch, and with Apple's Smart Battery Case I could wireless charge, use CarPlay, and never once worry about battery life. Did I mention it was the perfect size?

@wayando

Ай бұрын

It had 3D touch?

@Qukcute235a

Ай бұрын

@@wayando yes

@TheRevdWorm

Ай бұрын

Yeah, 3D Touch is definitely something I miss in newer iPhones

I’m currently using the IPhone 6SPlus. I’m still thoroughly enjoying it and don’t feel I’m missing out on much. The battery upgrade to the newer phones isn’t impressive because it’s built for that specific phone to handle the processing. But if you used a new battery for my phone or the 10. I’m sure you would see a much longer battery life for sure. The cameras are obviously more powerful in the newer phones but overall my phone does exactly what other phones are meant to do; call, text, internet, use apps as long as it’s still usable with the software. Other than that I’m saving loads of money but this year I’m on the look for a new phone cause it has some minor lagging maybe due to storage perhaps being too full but other than that the speed is much better than any android old phone when it comes to responsiveness. I’m just not too caught up in the hype of things so many years ago.

My iPad Air 2nd gen now got stuck in iPadOS 15.8.2. I clearly notice it sometimes stutters with everything I try or even completely freezes. Never had that before. The battery is fine as it's basically connected to power all it's life. I now have to reboot it frequently to get it going again. I don't think it's the hardware as nothing changed, but more likely updates on various apps. They probably become more complicated and harder to process. More memory required? Looking for functionality that isn't there? Maybe Apple is doing stuff in the background we usually don't notice on faster new devices? Who will tell? Just like with the typical desktop OS it's usually software related. A fresh install can do miracles.

I have a new sealed 3GS that i plan on trying someday, no idea how that will fair or even if it will work. Thanks for the video.

Luke Miami THANK YOU

@emilsecker7881

Ай бұрын

*Miani

That last part is probably the main cause of slow down. People don’t ever reset their phone to new, and over the course of many years and many major iOS upgrades, there’s just so many cache files and stuff that probably don’t need to be there. Whenever I’ve had major issues with one of my devices, a fresh install of iOS always makes it feel better and work better

What if you install iOS 17 on the new phone and re do the tests?

I would love to see more app speed tests.

4:53 adding the quack didn't stop my homepod 😂

thanks luke miani for another apple video!