ATHEIST : Sheik Ahmed deedat how would you feel if you died and discovered that the hereafter was a lie DEEDAT : Not worse than when you die and discover that the hereafter is a truth

@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY

2 жыл бұрын

COWARD!

@MO9ALA7

2 жыл бұрын

HIDDEN TRUTHS Who is Paraclete whose name is mentioned in the Bible? HZ. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN THE BIBLE 1- (John 14: 16,17): Jesus said; “If you love me, you will obey my commandments. Then I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete to be with you forever -“ 2- (John 14: 26): Jesus said; “But the Paraclete, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and will cause you to remember everything I said to you.” 3- (John 14: 29): Jesus said; “I have told you now before the Paraclete comes, so that when he comes you may believe.” 4- (John 15: 26): Jesus said; “When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send you from the Father - will testify about me…” 5- (John 16: 7): Jesus said; “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Paraclete will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.” 6- (John 16: 13): Jesus said; “… But when the Paraclete comes, he will guide you into all truth. For he will not speak on his own authority, but will speak whatever he hears, and will tell you what is to come.” 7- (John 16: 14): Jesus said; “… The Paraclate will glorify me, because he will receive from me what is mine and will tell it to you.” The original form of the Biblical expression given above as Paraclete and given as good news by the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) is “Munhamenna” in Syriac and “Periklytos” in Greek. The equivalent word of it in Arabic is “Ahmad”. The Greek expression of Periklytos of the Bible, that is, “Ahmad” exists as “Briklitus” in some sources. As “Ahmad” (PBUH) is a name of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), it is expressed by the Qur’an that His name is “Ahmad” in the Bible. (See. Saff, 61/6) And also all characteristics mentioned above are owned only by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Then, it is the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who is mentioned as the awaited person in the Bible and given the good news about. Besides, the word “Paraclete” is explained in Biblical interpretations as "the rightful person who will distinguish between the truth and falsehood"; that it, is the name of the person who will lead humans to the truth after Jesus (AS). Can anyone other than Hz. Muhammad (PBUH) who performed this duty more than him be shown in this world?

@MO9ALA7

2 жыл бұрын

@@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY Are Muslims or christians following Jesus? Look. 1. Circumcision (circumcision) At the end of the eight days after the circumcision of the child, his name was called Jesus, the name of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Gospel of Luke chapter 2 verse 21 "This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised."(Genesis 17:10, ) 2. Pig But the pig, although a split hoof is completely divided, does not gnaw; It is unclean to you. Thou shalt not eat their flesh, neither touch their carcasses; They are unclean to you. Leviticus 11: 7-8 3. Alcohol "Wine is a mocker, alcohol is a troublemaker, and he who misleads by it is not wise." Book of proverb 20: 1 Do not drink wine, (a) leads to disobedience. Instead, be filled with the Spirit Book of Ephesians 5:18 4. Dont worship images/statues “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. (Exodus 20:4-6) (10 commandments) “Do not make idols or set up carved images, or sacred pillars, or sculptured stones in your land so you may worship them. I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 26:1) 5. Wudhu (ablution) Moses and Aaron and their sons used to wash their hands and feet. 32 And when they come into the tabernacle, or when they come near to the altar, they wash; Book of exodus 40: 31-32 6. Prostration (Muslim Prayer Form) He (Jesus) went forth a little, and fell on his face: and he said, Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: But not as I will, but as thou wilt. " New Testament (Matthew 26:39) God spoke to him and Abram fell on his face Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17: 3) Moses hurriedly bowed down to the earth and worshiped Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34: 8) 7. Covering the head But if a woman has long hair, is that her glory? Her hair is given to her for a cover. Corinthians 11:15 If a woman does not cover her head, let her cut her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to cut her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. Corinthians 11: 6 8. usury He lends at interest and takes a profit. Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head. [Ezekiel 18:13] You should follow old testament. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Mathew 5 17+18 9. The coming of Muhammad(PBUH) You still have a lot to say, but you can't stand it right now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will glorify me. Everything that belongs to the Father is mine; Therefore I said unto him, I will take him, and shew him what is mine. John 16: 12-15 10.Who prays to whom? Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”” [Matthew 26:36]. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than me. (John 14:28). And he [Jesus] went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”” [Matthew 26:39]. One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.” [Luke 6:12]. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. (John 6 38) Christianity in Islam means that of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) The disciples saw his miracles and misunderstood that he was God. "it's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts" The Noble Quran 22:46

@chowbow573

2 жыл бұрын

If a God really wants us to grasp the truth, then why does he let us wander around finding which truth is the objective truth? Why do we have to struggle dissecting every claims, evidence, and arguments if God can just help us find an unequivocal way of knowing his particular truth? If God really is a loving Father who cares and desires for his children to know the objective truth, shouldn’t he be the one responsible clarifying all of this confusion? I have more to say but that’s all I have for now. Responses to my question is more than welcome. Thank you!

@sallahoudinalial-brazili4901

2 жыл бұрын

@@chowbow573 "Do they [then] wait for anything except that the angels should come to them or your Lord should come or that there come some of the signs of your Lord? The Day that some of the signs of your Lord will come no soul will benefit from its faith as long as it had not believed before or had earned through its faith some good. Say, "Wait. Indeed, we [also] are waiting." -Quran 6:158

To quote Mohammed Hijab: "The Quran doesn't seek to define the Trinity, the Quran refutes all forms of Trinity that have ever existed and will ever exist." Of the three persons in the Trinity the concept of the Father is what's close to the concept of Allah. To say the Father is 1 of 3 is to say that Allah is 1 of 3. Naudhubillah.

@Gerhard2770

Ай бұрын

Mohammed did not even know what the trinity means, how can he claim that the trinity consists of Allah, Jesus and Mary Surah 5.116?

@ArdoBlueMoon

Ай бұрын

@@Gerhard2770 At least read the comment properly and understand before speaking.

Nah, the trinity gets itself wrong.

@abduallahamin2001

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God Nobody cares about your opinion nor your Bible

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

The Trinity is One God, YHWH who expresses Himself simultaneously as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But the false Arab god does not define appropriately the Trinity that he unjustly criticizes, associating Mary to the Trinity (q 5:116) while Christianity does not associate Mary to the Trinity. Because the false Arab god, does not know what he is talking about

@purdess3420

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God Not in early manufacturing.

@ahmadsalek976

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephaneamani6476 oh, anyway...

@mohammedzaid9274

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God The pagan polytheism of christianity is the satanic heresy

Thank you so much sir Paul for making a video on this fascinating and controversial topic. I think believers from both of the religions need more information regarding this subject. I look forward to another video following this series. :) May Allah keep increasing your knowledge and allow you to share it with us all!

Hey Paul, until I started listening to Blogging Theology I had never known what the Islamic beliefs were regarding Jesus ( PBUH ) and the "trinity." And I had no Idea what the Quran said. As a Christian believer, all I ask is for Muslims to try to respect Christians when we discuss such important beliefs ( I notice too many comments that are insults or jokes ). I'm glad I understand more clearly the Islamic beliefs . And I'm finding within myself a desire to "dig deeper" into the teachings and life of Jesus. Peace from Florida

@ansasheikh2442

2 жыл бұрын

I appologise for all the insults and jokes. This is not allowed in Islamic teaching. Especially when the person of another faith is respectful

@hamsashraf5775

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry about the jokes and insults about your religion. It's not from the Islamic teachings.

@IDK-ue1gy

2 жыл бұрын

sorry about the jokes and insults and I wish for you to dog deeper and maybe we will become brothers in faith

@schillmajer

2 жыл бұрын

[6:108] Do not curse the idols they set up beside GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done. [16:125] You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones. [41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.

@hughdesilva1369

2 жыл бұрын

Amen and Jesus christ is God

Excellent video brother Paul, as always, the topic of the trinity in the Quoran here, beautifully and clearly explained. May Allah increase you in knowledge and give you a long righteous life so that you can continue to educate us all. 🤲

@rosalia2940

Жыл бұрын

5 verse 73, Context!!! **Allah explains 2 Vese later in sura 5,75 that Mary and Jesus are only humans and not gods because they ate food !!** **Sura 5,73 +5,75 that there are 3 gods(Allah + MARIA + Jewish HERCULES! )! and not a trinity**

Brother I can watch you every day thank you for the detailed information!!! ‏جزاك الله خيرا كثيرا

thanks very much. Please keep educating us professor. May allah reward you for your efforts.

No, the quran doesn’t. Christians often say the Quran says Mary is part of the trinity. But what they don’t know, there is a sect called Mariamites that though Mary is part of the Trinity and they worshipped her. Christians should read more about their history 👍

@user-kj8yl6sn2z

2 жыл бұрын

God’s Answer to the Christians in the Noble Qur’an.. an amazing recitation by Sheikh Nasser Al-Qatami kzread.info/dash/bejne/foeum6-Pp93HYbA.html

@steelisrael3461

2 жыл бұрын

But the Quran generalizes this as the total belief of Christians. People that believed Mary was part of the Trinity couldn't have been CHRISTIANS. If you object, could you provide historical or scriptural proof?

@schillmajer

2 жыл бұрын

Where is the Quran saying that Mary is part of the trinity? The Quran does say that people will woship Mary, which is no doubt true. Just go to a catholic country. [5:116] GOD will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary,* did you say to the people, ‘Make me and my mother idols beside GOD’?” He will say, “Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets. [5:117] "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: 'You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.

@sildkrunxagers1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@steelisrael3461 just because you don't see them as christians doesn't mean that they are not. plus the word trinity or its concept doesn't exist in the quran. Allah generalises all christian in that they all either worship jesus, mary besides him. doesn't matter what sect they are and whether they reject mariam or not.

@steelisrael3461

2 жыл бұрын

@@sildkrunxagers1070 Like I said, the Quran makes it general which is wrong. "Christians" never took Mary as God. Still waiting for your proof though

I needed my daily dose of Paul williams

Very good info brother Paul. Thank you!

Love to see genius people like Paul exposing the falsehood and supporting the truth without any fear, may Allah SWT bless him :)

@yz2553

2 жыл бұрын

The weird thing is that i don’t think he is muslim, may Allah guide him

@halalmode36

2 жыл бұрын

@@yz2553 he is

@yz2553

2 жыл бұрын

@@halalmode36 how do you know did he say it in any of his videos???

@mo7emedragab870

2 жыл бұрын

@@yz2553 he never said it but in his twitter description (Monotheism is the most coherent form of the religious life; and Islam is its purest expression) and he also makes videos daily saying hadeeth and makes videos defending islam so all signs goes toward he is a muslim

@johnzuma4688

2 жыл бұрын

@@yz2553 You are correct, he actually sounds more like an atheist who has a problem with Christianity and tries to use Islam to get at Christians.

Paul ur a mind reader whenever I’m questioning a topic u just happen to make a video of it

@nathanannabell-hansen5627

22 күн бұрын

Mind readers don't exist, Allah SWT is sending the videos your way as He just did with me Alhamdulillah

may Allah increase ur knowledge...

@kingofdetroit358

2 жыл бұрын

I am the modern day al-kidr

@rosalia2940

Жыл бұрын

5 verse 73, Context!!! **Allah explains 2 Vese later in sura 5,75 that Mary and Jesus are only humans and not gods because they ate food !!** **Sura 5,73 +5,75 that there are 3 gods(Allah + MARIA + Jewish HERCULES! )! and not a trinity**

@miscgar9663

11 ай бұрын

Do not take bad things from prophets and men of this world like Adam, David, Solomon etc Muhammad married many to help them. He killed many as they were bad. So he added polygamy and jihad and made Quran. You will get many women on earth and in heaven. Beware in the last days many logical men will make many to fall. Pray nonstop till you know God Jesus is the only way ,truth and life.

@Hi-os9lv

10 ай бұрын

@@kingofdetroit358and I am the modern day Christ

Thank u so much for clearing up this topic 👍

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 😊

38 Simple Reasons Why Jesus (peace be upon him) Is Not God 1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature [James 1:17] 2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 ) 3- No one is "Good" including Jesus. Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19) 4- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32) 5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD (Mark 12:29 ) 6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD" (John 20:17) 7- Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew 26:39) 8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days (Mat1:4), while GOD Almighty can not be tempted (Jacob 1:13) 9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40) 10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19) 11- No one can see God (1 John 4:20) but people saw Jesus 12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12) 13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11) 14- God Declared Himself to be God, Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20) 15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice Mark1:38) 16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13) 17- Jesus referred himself as Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16 18- Referred himself as Prophet: Matthew 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40 19- Referred himself as Son of Man: Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27 20- Referred himself as a Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24 21- Referred himself as a Student: Matthew 10:24 22- Father is Grater than Jesus (John 14:28) How can someone be greater than God? 23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28) 24- Jesus can do nothing by himself (John 5:19, John 5:30) 25- Jesus does not even have his own doctrine (John 7:16) 26- Jesus ascended to his God (John 20:17) 27- According to Christian Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible says that God is infinite Psalm 102:27-27 28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and was Helped by a Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient Psalm 50:12 29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12) 30- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:8) 31- Jesus could not save anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8) 32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24) 33- God can not be born and perhaps form His own creation 34- Jesus never told people to worship him 35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity 36- God is the essence of the worship. He is the object of worship. Had Jesus been God, he would have told people to worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9 37- Jesus never called his followers Christians, Paul did .(Acts of apostles 11:25- 26) 38- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew 12:18)

@mujtabaafzal757

2 жыл бұрын

Highly agree with these points 👍 Well done 👏🏻

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

@Vickyquackk Bhatra JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@qadiribnisraila7864

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God Surah 37:125 Do you call upon the idol of #BAAL(The husband)and abandon the Best of Creators (#RAHMAN Q.55 v 3) Isiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine #BAAL(husband) #YHWH hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall he be called. Jermuah 3:14 O backsliding children, saith #YHWH; for I am #BAAL(Married) unto you: Jermiah 31:31 they brake, although I was an #BAAL (husband)unto them, saith Hosea 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith #YHWH , that thou shalt call me Ishi(#MAN🤣)and shalt call me no more #BAAL 🤧🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@haziqzia5671

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God it's just an assertion of Paul, not of jesus. Even the concept of original sin, and someone dying for the sins of anyone else....all these concepts are not only gross innovations rather a contradiction with the Mosaic law. Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." - Mathew (5:17-18). Jesus refuted Paul's claims 🤧

In Indian religion there is the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Vishna, and Shiva, in Egyptian religion there is the group of Kneph, Phthas, and Osiris. In Phoenicia the trinity of gods were Ulomus, Ulosuros, and Eliun. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon, and Aidoneus. In Rome they were Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. In Babylonia and Assyria they were Anos, lllinos, and Aos. Among Celtic nations they were called Kriosan, Biosena, and Siva, and in Germanic nations they were called Thor, Wodan, and Fricco. We can see, therefore, that although the Trinity is characteristic of the Christian religion, it is by no means peculiar to it.The facts prove that the doctrine of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4).The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. By the end of the 4th century the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. The controversy, indeed, was settled by man, not God. But, if God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not one and the same, who, or what, are they? Research proves that even the concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity

@jamesupton4996

2 жыл бұрын

This is a rather good explanation of the Trinity. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+bishop+barron+on+the+Trinity&docid=607996661468969990&mid=ED188F67818228ABEA8CED188F67818228ABEA8C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

@jamesupton4996

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Is The Son Of God What makes the Bible the Holy Word of God? Where does this status come from?

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

The Trinity that God has revealed through His inspired Word, can even be found in the *first three verses* of the Bible, Genesis 1:1-3 : "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the SPIRIT OF GOD was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And GOD SAID, “Let there be light,” and there was light." In these introductory verses of the true inspired Word of God, it is clearly depicted that God, His Word, and His Spirit (outside of the creation) simultaneously act as Creator. And God can send His Word and His Spirit to save the believing sinners, by making His Salvation available through Jesus-Christ (The Word of God, The Son) and through His Holy Spirit. - references John 1:1-14 ; John 3:5 Regarding Deuteronomy 6:4 : the original Hebrew states: “Shema Israel, Adonai Elohenu Adonai echad.” First note, that the declaration of faith has the titles of God repeated three times here, implying there is indeed a Trinity in the Godhood. Secondly, the word “echad” used here, points to a unity or a cluster, this word is the plural to “echid” pointing to a singularity. But echid was not used here, purposely so. Because God is a unity, not a singularity. Finally, God created Adam in His image (Genesis 1:26 ; Muslim 2841). Does this means that God created a god when He created Adam? Absolutely not. However this means that He created Adam according to His example, according to His model, according to how He is. If Adam was created in the image of God with body, soul and spirit, then God according to whom he was created can have Father, Son and Spirit. If having a body, a soul, and a spirit does not make three yous but only one you. Similarly, God being simultaneously Father, Son and Holy Spirit does not make three gods but one One God. There are depths in our oneness, because there is depth in God’s oneness. He has willed it so.

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephaneamani6476 JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

I was raised Catholic. Catechism, Catholic high school, thought of being a nun when I was a little girl. When I grew into a slightly older girl I had questions......but no one had clear answers. This scenario was a common occurrence. Me asking questions.......'Why did God kill Jesus? If Jesus is God's son, why murder your own innocent son? If Jesus is God, then God killed himself?? That can't be right.....who's running the world and stuff when God is dead? But....no one can kill God. Was that a pretend Jesus that God killed? Abraham got a ram to sacrifice instead of his son. Why can't God send another ram to replace Jesus? Jesus was praying he didn't want to die...if he is God why is he praying to himself? Be God and get yourself outta there! What do you mean Jesus has to pay for our sins? NO! Jesus is a good person, he helps people. Good people shouldn't pay for bad people's sins, that's not fair! God is supposed to fair.....God HAS to be fair.....No, God IS fair. None of this makes any sense!!!!! " Then I'd go quiet and hold back the tears. My heart aches thinking of my bewildered young self. A little girl baffled by it all, trying so hard to decipher the indecipherable. Alhamdulillah, I accepted Islam. God is One. Jesus, peace be upon him, is a prophet of God. It's so straightforward. There is none worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

@icouldjustscream

2 жыл бұрын

@José Riquelme They are perfectly legitimate questions from a child under the age of 10, which I was at the time. How nice of you to refer to inquisitive children as 'moronic'.

@peacesalaam816

2 жыл бұрын

They are all valid questions

You can “claim” to be monotheistic in your belief of the nature of God all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you’re worshiping a 3 “fully” distinct, independent gods NOT one, regardless of any semantic gymnastics you attempt, because common logic and sound reason is in absolute clash with your belief. So the Quran is VERY right in saying, worship One not three, despite what you merely assert.

@craigthebrute8339

2 жыл бұрын

But…but…but 1+1+1=1, everyone knows that!

@shahtajarab865

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigthebrute8339 it was sarcastic right ?

@ocearbhaill3894

2 жыл бұрын

But christians don't believe that? They believe in 1 god..

@ocearbhaill3894

2 жыл бұрын

Bit of advice.. if you wanna learn about islam go to a muslim, if you wanna learn about christianity go to a christian, if you wanna learn about sikhism go to a sikh.

@sildkrunxagers1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@ocearbhaill3894 they can claim they believe in one god as they want. to me trinitarian are as monothiestic as christians that support lgbt are relegious. (note: christians that support lgbt are not relgious and go against their scripture and have liberal core values, but like to wear the relegious garb of christianity. in that sense trinitarian are pagan in core values but like to wear monothiestic garb.)

As usual fascinating presentation.

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@sagebaba9761

2 жыл бұрын

@@BloggingTheology One would have expected an intelligent man like you Paul to answer your question from the Bible. But of course when you start off from a wrong preconception of the Bible and you believe that the Koran "is much more sophisticated in its polemic", it is obvious where your argument will be skewed to. You appeared to have focused more on "is the trinity right" than "Did the Koran get the trinity wrong". A quick question: were the Gospels and Epistles of the New Testament in circulation before all these groups you mentioned in your video?

I swear to God brother Paul I still don’t understand how some people believe in this.. Even some Christians themselves can’t comprehend the trinity but they still worship it.. May God guide those people who seek the truth.

@jeanclaudepierrot2971

2 жыл бұрын

Those Christians who are not Trinitarians nare blind to the truth and are part of Christian cults such as Jehova witnesses and Mormons. Jesus said," Go Therefore and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". Matthew 28:19. Very clear and unambiguous. Jesus said," Anyone who bladphememes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven". Mark 3:22-30

@hassendelft3907

2 жыл бұрын

you need the spirit to understand . hahah. I think emotion makes people blind.

@jeanclaudepierrot2971

2 жыл бұрын

@@hassendelft3907 No my friend. You need to read the Gospels and believe in Jesus as the Messiah and the Only Beloved Son of Almighty God. If you believe in the Quran, you're believing in blind faith and a false self made prophet who inspired the writings in it. Read the Gospels and believe and you will have eternal life!

@hassendelft3907

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanclaudepierrot2971 I believe Jesus is the messiah and that we are all sons of God. God is One, not trinity. I believe in the gospel of Jesus and not in gospels that written by unknown persons.

@hassendelft3907

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanclaudepierrot2971 believing in the Quran is not blind faith, if Mohammed wrote the Quran, he will honor his mother and not mother of Jesus. The Quran has features, No other book has. For example it has no beginning or end. It's circular book, no human can do that. This unique structure at face value may appear to be disjointed. However, modern research has discovered a sophisticated structural coherence in the Qur’an known as ring composition.

May Allah bless you with strong imaan

It’s people like you Paul that other people are willing to listen to and take your word for it because you deliver it in a professional way.

Beautifully explained and read, I totally am in agreement

*_There is no God worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammed, peace and blessings be upon him was the final messenger of Allah._*

@Gothead420

2 жыл бұрын

There is no god. Period. 😉 At least that's what us _"evil atheists"_ believe...for lack of *any* proof.

@johnzuma4688

2 жыл бұрын

So you are saying Mohammed is God???

@jeanclaudepierrot2971

2 жыл бұрын

@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali Except Jesus is not a prophet. All throughout the Gospels Jesus referred to himself as the Son of God. Jesus Never said," I am just a mere Prophet of God. Only in Islam and when he was a little baby which is totally ridiculous! Read the Gospels which came first and discover the truth about Jesus Christ and not the distirtions and lies of the Quran.

@jeanclaudepierrot2971

2 жыл бұрын

@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali My friend, first of all, Jesus is the Only, unique, Begotten Son of Almighty God. We Christians don't worship a man. Jesus is God the Son. The second person of the Holy Trinity. God the Father, Jesus his beloved Son and the Holy Spirit. All three persons compose the triune Godhead. They are all of the same nature, essence, fabric, and all three have different roles but are One in unity and harmony. Yes, during his life on earth Jesus was a Man. Jesus had a dual nature. Fully God and fully man. Jesus proclaimed that he is equal to God the Father throughout the Gospels. Jesus told the scribes," I and the Father are One". John 10:30. Jesus told Philip," If you see me, you see the Father. For I am in the Father and the Father is in me". John 14:9. Jesus praying to his heavenly Father," O Father glorify me together with yourself with the same glory I had with you before the world was created". John 17:5. This phenomenon is referred to as the Hypostatic Union. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He took on human attributes and emotions and became one of us. After his death and Reserrection he told Mary Magdalene, " Do not touch me for I have not ascended to my Father" John 20:17. Jesus although was in human form, was Holy and divine. We Christians worship Jesus because he said," He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father who sent him". John 5:30 Jesus said," I am the Way the Truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me". John 14:6.

@jeanclaudepierrot2971

2 жыл бұрын

@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali My friend, first of all, Jesus is the Only, unique, Begotten Son of Almighty God. We Christians don't worship a man. Jesus is God the Son. The second person of the Holy Trinity. God the Father, Jesus his beloved Son and the Holy Spirit. All three persons compose the triune Godhead. They are all of the same nature, essence, fabric, and all three have different roles but are One in unity and harmony. Yes, during his life on earth Jesus was a Man. Jesus had a dual nature. Fully God and fully man. Jesus proclaimed that he is equal to God the Father throughout the Gospels. Jesus told the scribes," I and the Father are One". John 10:30. Jesus told Philip," If you see me, you see the Father. For I am in the Father and the Father is in me". John 14:9. Jesus praying to his heavenly Father," O Father glorify me together with yourself with the same glory I had with you before the world was created". John 17:5. This phenomenon is referred to as the Hypostatic Union. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He took on human attributes and emotions and became one of us. After his death and Reserrection he told Mary Magdalene, " Do not touch me for I have not ascended to my Father" John 20:17. Jesus although was in human form, was Holy and divine. We Christians worship Jesus because he said," He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father who sent him". John 5:30 Jesus said," I am the Way the Truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me". John 14:6.

>Christians claim Quran gets trinity "wrong" >average Christian can't even explain trinity without sacrificing logic

@scabw

2 жыл бұрын

Only, you think that the Quran is divine and without fail. A proposition that is easily attacked. And nobody thinks that an average (or any) Christian is without fail. We think all humans are fallible.

@zachkri8418

2 жыл бұрын

@@scabw It is without fail.. Show me what flaw does the Quran have? Shows us evidence and proof for it..

@scabw

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachkri8418 For example, I think this statement of the Quran can be attacked: "That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah';- but they killed him not, nor crucified him." It seems like a flawed statement, because according to early Christian records and historians, Jesus was indeed killed by crucifixion.

@taurusking_1997

2 жыл бұрын

@@scabw so you would believe God or humans?

@scabw

2 жыл бұрын

@@taurusking_1997 I don't believe the Quran is from God. In fact, this very verse would make me doubt it is from God because it seems like a lie about what really happened 2000 years ago in service of some theological ideal.

Thank you! informative, clear and intriguing as usual

Thank you Paul! A completely unrealated question, but I always wondered. Who is the person in your youtube profile picture?

@stoned12345678910

2 жыл бұрын

Lookup his past upload. Thomas Aquinas & Muslims objections to Christianity

When was the trinity doctrine being introduced? Council of Nicea?

@johnzuma4688

2 жыл бұрын

Of course not. The concept of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit which is the Trinity was introduced by Jesus some 300 years before the Council of Nicea. See Matthew 28:19-20. Matthew 28:19-20 New International Version >> 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

@pijesz

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnzuma4688 Where did it say that those 3 are one? Or those 3 are co equal, co eternal etc?

@pijesz

2 жыл бұрын

@David Isa They are all in the hadith, taught and explained by the prophet himself. The Trinity is the core belief which according to Christians will determine who's going to heaven. Now where is the concrete evidence that God is 3 person/being and those 3 are one?

@zachkri8418

2 жыл бұрын

@David Isa Where does it says in the bible, you can celebrate Easter and Christmas? Eat pork? Getting drunk? Fornicate or adultery? Cross dressing? Or even your basic belief as a Christian that Jesus is God?

It gets it right, to achieve monotheism. "Do not say three". That is inclusive of any Trinity version out there.

@ep073132

2 жыл бұрын

yup.. base on what i learned, each pagan religions in the world have trinity concept of their own

@Rjjg100

2 ай бұрын

@@ep073132except the pagan didn’t have Trinitarian they had Tritheism or heretical beliefs similar to modalism or adoptionism at best .

Following your channel just to see when you're gonna open your videos with salam.

Thank you brother Paul for ur knowlegde sharing..... Jazzakallah khairan katsir.... 🙏🙏🙏

7:20 learnt a very interesting fact from you sir. I didn't know there was a Jewish Christian community in the 2nd century called 'Ebionites....' who also believed Jesus to be only a prophet of God.

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@killerpie5981

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 Waraqa died 3 weeks after the first revelation 🙈

@AbuJawadOny4661

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 do you think It's that simple. Just give a man an idea and and he starts preaching it. He was 40 when he started getting revelation. His wife was the richest woman of that time. He had family children, respect. If muhammad pbuh had any intention of luxurious life, he could live that. But anyway you won't really understand why he chose the hard life, stayed firm to the believe despite all the hardship he had to go through. The hard life he lead, the sacrifices he made, what he has achieved and what he has given to us... that all makes sense when you acknowledge him as the Messenger of God.

@killerpie5981

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 what pseudo Christian history of Islam are you bringing here ? Where on earth did you get that Khadija or Zayd bin haritha were Christians lol

@killerpie5981

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 I think your smoking pot Zayd bin haritha was a slave captured in Yemen he wasn’t a Christian infact his father came to him from Yemen to ask him to come back and then he chose the prophet

*Another Question:* _Does The Torah/Jew get Trinity Wrong?_ Even Jesus Sending to Jew 😑

@allinterestingcartoons8288

2 жыл бұрын

Yes bro because they believe that there is only one God. And God didn't need any son or any support. Because only humans or creatures need son or daughter for getting support from them in old age. And for growing their race. But unfortunately they don't believe in Zechariah, John the Baptist, Solomon and David (they believe that they both are only kings not prophet), and they also don't believe in Jesus and last prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H).

As always brother paul never fails! This man:- 1 upload(video) content is equivalent to 1000 videos of both islamphobes & christianity contents..quality over quantity.. Such an underratted phenomenal youtuber!.#what a madlad paul is#

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

❤️

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

@Qadir Ibn Israila sorry to hear that!

May Allah bless you

You don't point fingers at Islam when u have contradictions, historic and scientific absurdities and porn etc in your Bible Christians...

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

I like All Muslims need to read Bible n Quran n well equipped. Here is my point to Christians. JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@scabw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Almondseeker1947 In his last days, Jesus thought he had to suffer and even die. He sacrificed himself. The Scriptures say he sacrificed himself for our sake (because of our transgressions). He, you might say, took our transgressions upon himself, paid for them himself in his suffering and death (as the divine Son of God) and thus made us clean, so that we can be one with God.

@zachkri8418

2 жыл бұрын

@@scabw Show me which verse did Jesus says he will die for our sins?

@scabw

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachkri8418 It's an early Christian interpretation of his death.

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

@@scabw JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. WHY JESUS DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON ROMANS

Every Christian missionary or apologist using this title: >:( Paul using it: :)

People would do themselves a great favour by learning Arabic and its ways of expression, thus they will be relieved of many misunderstandings coming from trying to understand Quran within the frame of their native tongue.

Sir Paul, maybe you should just discussed about other things instead of comparing Islam with other religion in order to avoid sensitivity between the muslims and other people from other belief, i just hope we can get along and i wish all the best for all of us, don’t get me wrong i love your content sir, it helps me a lot in terms of understanding my religion, but maybe we should respect what the Christians believe, anyways, may peace be upon you sir❤️

So if I believe in Trinity I'm saved? That makes the one true God unjust! So for thousand of years before Christ He was advocating people to worship Him alone, and then decided oh well, this isn't working real well so I guess I'll send em my son so they might be saved? Subhan Allah! What about all those before Christ? Never knew him, never heard of him, and never had the opportunity to worship him ? If God is truly just & He is, then all mankind must have equal opportunity to worship Him and Him only in one uniform way!

@johnbrzykcy3076

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that "all mankind must have equal opportunity to worship Him..." Peace

Bro nobody gets the trinity. So the quran is not to be blamed.

@Panda-oh7uu

2 жыл бұрын

Smooth!😂

@m.islamnafees5770

2 жыл бұрын

This is gotta be one of my favourite sentences. 😂

@maryamal-haddad4904

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody can understand the intangible non sense called the trinity

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

this video surely reminds me of james white debate with jake

2:37 I actually think there could be another way that this line in the Qur'an might be interpreted. I'm not a scholar, and I could never know what exactly Allah intended for this line, so this is just speculation on my part, but when I heard the part that said, "to those that say God is the third of three" it immediately reminded me of how I see Christians practice their faith in relation to the Trinity. In this Qur'anic line, using the word 'God', Allah is referring to himself (not the Godhead that Christians believe in). Allah, as I understand it, seems to be describing where he fits into with the Christians concept or version of what God is. So, being the "third of three" Allah could potentially be saying that God, or what Christians would consider 'the father' is in "last place" (third place of three figures), and this could be in terms of importance or in terms of praise or level of worship or acknowledgement. And this is honestly what I see from a lot of Christians. They always praise Jesus (pbuh) and preach if you believe in Jesus, the holy spirit will come to you and save you, but I rarely ever see them praise 'the father' in any kind of way that is detached or not connected to Jesus (pbuh). So while you hear a lot of praises going to Jesus (pbuh) and the holy spirit, you don't hear much going to 'the father', or as we know him God or Allah. Hell, as you've mentioned before in other videos and what the Qur'an states in other verses, even the Virgin Mary is lifted to a kind of devine status and is given praises. I don't think I've ever heard a Christian say praise to the father. Any time the father is mentioned it's always as lifting up Jesus (pbuh) by saying the father sent Jesus down and sacrificed his son to save us. And as a result, people seem to think of, thank, and praise Jesus for his sacrifice and 'dying for their sins' and giving them salvation rather than looking to God for his mercy. So, I think this line could also question the role or position Christians gave the one true God, Allah. It is a position that comes in last as if it isn't as important out of the three when he should be the most important, while the others shouldn't be compared next to him because they are not God. The line then says to them that there is only one God, as a way to remind them, scold them for falsely thinking otherwise, and bring them back to their senses. Those are just some of my thoughts. Obliviously and can't be sure if I'm correct, but I thought I'd share my thoughts. Let me know what you think and if this could be a potential understanding. May Allah bless you and bring you closer to him.

@omarfarhanhossain3714

2 жыл бұрын

Did u make this? Wow this is interesting

@mhhassan23

2 жыл бұрын

@@omarfarhanhossain3714 yeah, I did 😁 I just wanted to give my two cents. I didn't see that anyone talked about like this in the comments so I wanted to know if anyone felt similarly. Nobody had answered me, so I kind of assumed I was alone in thinking that. I really appreciate the comment!!

@omarfarhanhossain3714

2 жыл бұрын

@@mhhassan23 I have a question In Quran 5:73 it talks about a trinity and in 5:75 it clarifies that Jesus and Mary are not god. So that means the “third of three” trinity in 5;73 are taking about Jesus Mary and Allah, so does the Quran get it wrong?

@mhhassan23

2 жыл бұрын

@@omarfarhanhossain3714 no, because if you read the verse 5:73, even though it talks about a trinity, you have to look at what it is saying about it and whether it is a validation or rejection of the trinity. In the verse 5:73 it says that "those who say, 'Allah is one in a trinity,' have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God." This verse would compliment and agree with verse 5:75 that states that Jesus and Mary (peace be upon them) are not God and that there is only one God, Allah. This is not a contradiction. The two verses support each other. Just because the verse 5:73 talks about the trinity, doesn't mean the verse supports it. The verse is, in fact, and clear and firm rejection of the trinity, saying that those who believe God is one of three have been deceived and are disbelievers. So, no, the Qur'an is not wrong. I hope that answers your question 👍

Ma sha Allah sir))

Thy don't even get it. Put 2 in a room and they won't agree on it. Put 1000 and they won't. So HE sums it up perfectly in the qur'an, "don't say 3."

@ConsideringPhlebas

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, have you ever read your own commentators and their explanations of the Qur'an? About every second page says "the scholars are in disagreement about this verse".

@NeoLegendX

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConsideringPhlebas We don't disagree on the oness of God. As for history there might be. You chopped yours into pieces

@ConsideringPhlebas

2 жыл бұрын

@@NeoLegendX And I also pointed out that Christians don't dispute that there's 1 God either.

@NeoLegendX

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConsideringPhlebas good god man you believe in 3 gods

@ConsideringPhlebas

2 жыл бұрын

@@NeoLegendX No we don't. :D

إِنَّإِ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ ۖ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ (ال عمران 59) Very brief explanation : "Verily, the likeness of Issa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam He created him( Adam ) from dust, then He said to him (Adam) : Be and he was." Quran, Chapter 3 verse no 59 No one whoever he was would save himself or other people from Allah's punishment except by Allah's mercy and the man's good deeds and woman's good deeds. No savior except Allah's mercy (the only God).

Sir. Can u please do short videos on the adnan Rashid video

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

good idea

It only proves that the Quran is from God. I don't see why they can't understand

@scotttiger3864

2 жыл бұрын

@Vickyquackk Bhatra it's the other way around my boy.. Grow up.

@Naruto7h

2 жыл бұрын

@Vickyquackk Bhatra Well that's because you don't use your brain😂

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

The quran is not from God. If God is the One by whom miracles were performed in the Old and the New Testament to confirm His divine message. Why didn't He do the same to confirm the message of his alleged "favorite" prophet? God did not do so, because indeed the false prophet and his book were not sent by God.

@tacom0nsta658

2 жыл бұрын

@Vickyquackk Bhatra you literally make zero sense. Think about what you just said for a minute.

@Naruto7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephaneamani6476 God did. The Quran is the greatest miracle. It even exists today. Read it

Are Muslims or christians following Jesus? Look. 1. Circumcision (circumcision) At the end of the eight days after the circumcision of the child, his name was called Jesus, the name of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Gospel of Luke chapter 2 verse 21 "This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised."(Genesis 17:10, ) 2. Pig But the pig, although a split hoof is completely divided, does not gnaw; It is unclean to you. Thou shalt not eat their flesh, neither touch their carcasses; They are unclean to you. Leviticus 11: 7-8 3. Alcohol "Wine is a mocker, alcohol is a troublemaker, and he who misleads by it is not wise." Book of proverb 20: 1 Do not drink wine, (a) leads to disobedience. Instead, be filled with the Spirit Book of Ephesians 5:18 4. Dont worship images/statues “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. (Exodus 20:4-6) (10 commandments) “Do not make idols or set up carved images, or sacred pillars, or sculptured stones in your land so you may worship them. I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 26:1) 5. Wudhu (ablution) Moses and Aaron and their sons used to wash their hands and feet. 32 And when they come into the tabernacle, or when they come near to the altar, they wash; Book of exodus 40: 31-32 6. Prostration (Muslim Prayer Form) He (Jesus) went forth a little, and fell on his face: and he said, Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: But not as I will, but as thou wilt. " New Testament (Matthew 26:39) God spoke to him and Abram fell on his face Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17: 3) Moses hurriedly bowed down to the earth and worshiped Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34: 8) 7. Covering the head But if a woman has long hair, is that her glory? Her hair is given to her for a cover. Corinthians 11:15 If a woman does not cover her head, let her cut her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to cut her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. Corinthians 11: 6 8. usury He lends at interest and takes a profit. Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head. [Ezekiel 18:13] You should follow old testament. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Mathew 5 17+18 9. The coming of Muhammad(PBUH) You still have a lot to say, but you can't stand it right now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will glorify me. Everything that belongs to the Father is mine; Therefore I said unto him, I will take him, and shew him what is mine. John 16: 12-15 10.Who prays to whom? Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”” [Matthew 26:36]. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than me. (John 14:28). And he [Jesus] went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”” [Matthew 26:39]. One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.” [Luke 6:12]. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. (John 6 38) Christianity in Islam means that of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) The disciples saw his miracles and misunderstood that he was God. "it's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts" The Noble Quran 22:46

Please make an episode on Arius and the Arian Christianity, Vandals and the Emperor Constantine embracing the oneness of God.

@user-yv4tl9kg9h

2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember that Arius embraced "subordinatism", meaning that he thought Jesus was less divine than God but still divine nonetheless. Unitarianism, which is the Christian sect that denounces Jesus' divinity and worships only one God, originated in the 1800's I think. I'm not sure though but it would be a really interesting subject nonetheless.

@Astronomad

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yv4tl9kg9h I am not an expert on this subject that's why I requested a video, but as far as I know Arius believed that Jesus was a man (like the muslims) and that the trinity was polytheistic concept.

Thanks!

adnan rashid also answered this question

Absurd incoherent mental gymnastics are required to attempt to explain away the many errors of the Quran, the supposed word of Allah though the errors are quite clear and no sufficient explanation has been achieved nor would it be possible.

@berargumen2390

2 жыл бұрын

That what christianity only can said

@smiley8396

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 I also don't get the "Jews say Ezra is the son of God" same way how Christians perceive Jesus, when in reality we don't see anyone saying Ezra is son of God, regardless of what that unknown unfound and mysterious "sect" that is though, the verse says "The Jews" implying all of them, no particular sect or anything.

@DMS707

2 жыл бұрын

@@smiley8396 the talk wasn’t meant for the jews nor the christians in general, the verse was actually directed towards the notion of god having a son. Also the verse used a rhetorical phraseology in Arabic which resembles the figure of speech Synecdoche in English

May Allah bless your whole family ameen. الحمد لله

It is trinity what is referred to by the phrase "Third of the three".

How do you expect me to believe 1+1+1=1

@steelisrael3461

2 жыл бұрын

If you want to use mathematics, I think this is better suited to divinity: infinity+infinity+infinity= infinity

@yusufibntachfin7978

2 жыл бұрын

@@steelisrael3461 This will show you an amazing miracle of Qur'an with your eyes, kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJl9krmuoJOqcco.html If Quran is not from God, who did it?

@steelisrael3461

2 жыл бұрын

@@yusufibntachfin7978 The devil too has power. Else can you tell me where Magicians and Sorcerer's get their powers from?

@yusufibntachfin7978

2 жыл бұрын

@@steelisrael3461 did you watch the entire video? Why would you think that its the devils work and not God? Thats an answer of someone who dont want to accept the truth. How is Quran from devil when it constantly call us against it? Illogical answer you gave.

@steelisrael3461

2 жыл бұрын

@@yusufibntachfin7978 Well, the devil is a deceiver and Allah boasts to be the best of deceivers (makarin). So, I have a reason to be sure it's from the devil. What he does is to cover his lies with some truth and that exactly is what Islam is. I can also point to child molestation (surah65:4), rape and prostitution (surah 4:24) in the Quran, without taking things out of context, as additional proof that this book cannot be from God. Also, we find several verses in the Quran that does nothing but satisfy the lustful desires of your prophet. Can I also show you from Authentic Hadiths that your prophet allowed shirk?

The Trinity is One God, YHWH who expresses Himself simultaneously as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But the false Arab god does not define appropriately the Trinity that he unjustly criticizes, associating Mary to the Trinity (q 5:116) while Christianity does not associate Mary to the Trinity. Because the false Arab god, does not know what he is talking about

@usmanarif24

2 жыл бұрын

Kindly explain your sentence that Yahweh expresses himself as Father, Son and Holy spirit Simultaneously. I would like to know where and how Yahweh expresses himself like that.

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@random9350

2 жыл бұрын

No rational person will ever accept trinity. And there is enough archaeological evidence to prove that the worship of God as three in one is part of pagan practice. Gods being crucified and ascending to heaven was also a common belief before the son of Mary was born. False Arab god lol. Even Arab Christians and Jews call God Allah. Go read Surah 29:46 to see if we worship different gods.

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

@@usmanarif24 This can even be found in the first three verses of the Bible, Genesis 1:1-3 : "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the SPIRIT OF GOD was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And GOD SAID, “Let there be light,” and there was light." In these introductory verses of the true inspired Word of God, it is clearly depicted that God, His Word, and His Spirit (outside of the creation) simultaneously act as Creator. And God also can send His Word and His Spirit to save the believing sinners, by making His Salvation available through Jesus-Christ (The Word of God, The Son) and through His Holy Spirit. - references John 1:1-14 ; John 3:5

@save_sudan_and_palestine

2 жыл бұрын

3 persons (Trinity) vs 1 person (Tawheed) *simple!* The Problem is you don't know that 3 persons = 1 god = Shirk!

there was a small Catholic sect that had Mary as mother of god part of the trinity. relatively unknown at that time. but god knew it and pointed out that even that was illogical as is father son Holy Spirit In mainstream christianity

@fikarrusdiawan9562

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidzack8735 The Noble Qur'an never touch on the concept of the Trinity. However, the Holy Quran says that one is not three! 🤣

Miss the old background in ur home with all ur books.

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Elohim is plural.

@yaquboulhadj4510

2 жыл бұрын

?? Why do you cherry pick unclear verses but when it comes to clear verses you ignore Jesus said the father is the only true god which excludes everyone else.

@moeezy4154

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaooooo so you are a polythiest who believes in three entities as God Almighty Authubillah mina shiatian rajeem meaning "I seek refugee in Allah Almighty God from the Accursed Satan" Elohim is plural of respect not numbers God Almighty is One Moses was Elohim to Pharaoh was he more then one ignorant foolish person lmaooooo

Short Answer: Yes

@anuarchewan2537

6 ай бұрын

Explain why? Cannot just say Yes!? 😳🤔

@QAHS610

3 ай бұрын

Short Answer: No

@homer1273

3 ай бұрын

Ironically the shorter answer = No…..But chrstian cannot count to 3

May Allah bless you, T thank God (Allah) for the blessing of religion of Islam

Brother Paul,I suggest u learn Arabic and will be able to read Quran and feel and enjoy its beauty and grateness of Allah. Allah loves u when he led u to Islam

How could the Quran wrong when the Christians themselves dont agree which one is right. Ask ten Christians to explain it to somebody, you will get ten different explanations for it. The only thing they would agree with would be: "Just believe it, you'll be saved".

"History is Written by Victors.”-Winston Churchill,

Thank you

@BloggingTheology

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

Salam alaikum brother, can you make a video explaining the phenomenon of people like Sam chamoune , David wood and hatune , why they use dirty ways in their work and still call themselves honest Christians?

I believe the description of the trinity in the Quran is closer to the belief held by the Ghassanid Christians who lived in the northern part of the Arabian peninsula at the time. Though aligned to the Eastern Roman empire, their ideology was apparently still influenced by pagan concepts. And Allah knows best.

" And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. " 5:116

Al-Ikhlaas (112:1) قُلۡ هُوَ اللّٰهُ اَحَدٌ‌ Qul huwa Allahu ahadun Say: He, Allah, is One. اَللّٰهُ الصَّمَدُ‌ Allahu alssamadu Allah is He on Whom all depend. لَمۡ يَلِدۡ ۙ وَلَمۡ يُوۡلَدۡ Lam yalid walam yooladu He begets not, nor is He begotten. وَلَمۡ يَكُنۡ لَّهٗ كُفُوًا اَحَدٌ Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun And none is like Him. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

The Trinity can be found even in the *first three verses* of the Bible, Genesis 1:1-3 “In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the SPIRIT OF GOD was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And God SAID, “Let there be light,”a and there was light.” This introductory passage to the inspired Word of God presents God, His Word, and His Spirit as Creator. And God can send His Word and His Spirit to save the believing sinners. This is the True God in whom Christians believe.

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

@shameerabdullah9368

2 жыл бұрын

what about verses after that

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

@@Almondseeker1947 God's timing is not our timing Jesus came the first time to present, through His life, the sacrifice that reconciles us with God and opens to us sinners, the door to eternal life (the most important thing) - After having offered the expiation sacrifice for the sins of the believing Christians, He rose back to life and ascended back to heaven, as he said he would, proving that He is indeed God. (Luke 24:51-52) But Jesus-Christ will come back to establish His heavenly Kingdom on earth and to judge the world (Matthew 25:31 ; Revelation 20)

@stephaneamani6476

2 жыл бұрын

@@shameerabdullah9368 And what verses are you referring to?

Does that book really try to portray The Prophet Isa peace be upon him in photo... Hope the writer takes heed

The verse doesn't even mention the Trinity nor does Quran 5:116 even say that this is the Trinity. Historical sources show that there were sects of Christianity such as the Jacobites who actually believed in Mary being divine and worshipped her along with Jesus and Allah in a Trinity. Catholics are their modern-day counterpart as they: - Sing praises to her - Pray to her - Make icons of her - Mention her in every prayer

Christines should watch this, May Allah guide you to the right path

@johnbrzykcy3076

2 жыл бұрын

I did watch it and I respect what Paul said, although I don't agree with everything. Peace

But it is the doctrine Father is God Son is God Holy spirit is God but they are not 3 Gods but 1 God. this is only possible only if each person composes 1/3 of 1 God.

If The Qur'an in describing God as "The Third of three" and the subsequent command to cease this and its (The Qur'ans) portrayal, of God, questioning Jesus on the Day of Judgement, by asking "Did you say to the people take me and my mother as gods besides Allah", then this would be rejected by mainstream Christianity as well. The Christian understanding of the nature of God, as it has been revealed in The Bible is that God is one in nature but that the Godhead consists of three distinct persons; so God is absolutely one in nature, but triune in personality.

@marigold9736

2 жыл бұрын

God is one in nature, but the Godhead consists of THREE DISTINCT PERSON, SOUNDS LIKE GOD IS A MYTHICAL FIGURE WITH PERSONALITY DISORDER.. Why would God almighty confuse humanity. God is a merciful God. This is what Hinduism did, they have one big god brahma who cannot be seen and lots of other god to be shared among different caste systems.

May Allah reward u and guide u to the right path..dear Paul

Muslims have different type of Iman. blindly following as in taqlid have different opinions in its validity it is good to question and find out more. you provide a shortcut for people like me to look for books to reaffirm iman.

@Almondseeker1947

2 жыл бұрын

JESUS SAW ROMANS TORTURING JEWS n OTHERS.JESUS COULDN'T STOP ROMANS FROM DOING SO. IS JESUS GOD? NO WAY Jesus failed to convince,that he is God for Jews or Romans in his life time. Jesus No God what a failure what a shame. Leave Jews Jesus failed to convince Romans that he God. Romans wouldn't have tortured him. what a failure

Has Islam Misunderstood Christianity? by Bassam Zawadi Argument no. 2: The Qur’an Identifies the Trinity as Allah, Jesus, and Mary Nowhere do the Islamic sources explicitly identify the three persons of the Trinity. It is not even in Islam’s interest to do so. Islam is mainly concerned with denouncing concepts and beliefs and not delving into any unnecessary details. It’s not essential to identify the three persons of the Trinity and then condemn that Trinity concept when you have already made it clear that Allah is one person. When we look at Surah 4, Ayah 171 and Surah 5, Ayah 73 where the Trinity is being alluded to, we don’t see Mary’s name being mentioned as one of the three. The Qur’an treats the issue of the Trinity and Mary’s being taken as a god as two separate themes. Surah 5, Ayah 116 states: “And when Allah will say:”O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ “He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say).” This is simply a verse disapproving of the worship of Jesus and Mary besides Allah and also exonerates Jesus from having advised his followers to worship him and Mary. There is no allusion to the doctrine of the Trinity in this verse. Also, the idea of Mary being taken as a God could be understood in more than one sense. If one refers to Surah 9:31 and 25:43, one could see that when the Qur’an refers to someone or something being taken as a god, it doesn’t always mean so in a literal sense, but that this someone or something is treated in a way that only God deserves to be treated. Similarly, one could be open to the possibility that when Surah 5, Ayah 116 talks about Mary being taken as a god, that it doesn’t mean so in the literal sense, but that there are those treating Mary in a way that only God deserves to be treated just like with the Catholics and their excessive venerations of Mary. Professor of Christianity and Islam at the University of Birmingham, Dave Thomas, said in his article entitled “Trinity” in the Encylopedia of Islam vol 5, pages 369-370 in regards to Surah 5, Ayah 116: “Strictly speaking, this verse need not be read as a reference to a version of the Trinity but rather as an example of shirk, claiming divinity for beings other than God (see Idolatry and Idolaters). As such, it could be understood as a warning against excessive devotion to Jesus and extravagant veneration of Mary, a reminder linked to the central theme of the Qur’an that there is only one God and he alone is to be worshipped (see worship). ….. and then he continues on to say: If, on the other hand, there is no sectarian version of Christian doctrine being addressed in this verse, it need not be read as a rejection of a deviant doctrine of the Trinity but as a denial that Jesus and Maryam are equal with God, and a warning (q.v.) against making excessive claims about them. Thus, it can be understood as an instance of the warning against the divinization of Jesus that is given elsewhere in the Qur’an and a warning against the virtual divinization of Mary in the declarations of the fifth-century church councils that she is theotokos, “God-bearer.” Islamic historian Heribert Busse said on page 23 of his book, Islam, Judaism and Christianity: theological and historical affiliations: “There is reference in the Koran to an odd understanding of the Trinity. God asked Jesus if he taught the following: “Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God” (5:116). Jesus answered negatively, of course. The obvious assumption here, that Muhammad made a mistake in listing the three persons of the one Godhead, can be countered with the assumption that the reference was to the Collyridians, a Christian sect that worshipped the Virgin Mary.” He then continues on to say: “With respect to the cited Koran passage, Muhammad was most likely referring to such a Christian sect. This is in any case more plausible than assuming that the Prophet defined the Trinity in such an erroneous manner out of pure ignorance.” Indeed, it’s highly unlikely that the author of the Qur’an would have made this mistake, especially since we have no record of any Christians arguing this point against Muhammad (peace be upon him), while Islamic sources have not shied away from mentioning Christian arguments against Muslims, and plus, there were Christian converts such as Salman Al Faarisi, ‘Adi ibn Hatim, and others who were around that could have corrected the Prophet (peace be upon him), but they never did because they didn’t understand the Qur’an to be saying that Mary was part of the Trinity. Qur’anic exegete Imam Al-Tabarani said in his commentary on Surah 5, Ayah 116 that even if there were no people today who claim that Mary is God, then surely it’s bound that some in the past must have done it. This shows that grammatically and textually speaking, one is not bound to interpret the Qur’an as referring to all Christians. Rather, it is condemning the belief and not pinpointing exactly who it is that held this belief. It’s possible to say that it is a reference to the Collyridians, just as Islamic historian Heribert said, or could possibly be a reference to the Catholics as Professor Dave Thomas suggested. The next verse in question is Surah 5, Ayah 73, which states: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allah is the third of a three.” Professor Dave Thomas, on page 369 of the same article, said in regards to Surah 5, Ayah 73: “It has been suggested that this verse criticizes a deviant form of Trinitarian belief which overstressed the distinctiveness of the three persons at the expense of their unity as substance (Masson, Coran, 93; Watt-Bell, Introduction, 158). It has also been noted that, in fact, this is not a reference to the Trinity but to Jesus, who in Syriac literature was often called “the third of three” (Griffith, Christians and Christianity, 312-13). By this reading Q 5:73 must be seen as constituting part of a sustained criticism of the belief in the divinity of Christ that occupies the whole of Q 5:72-75, i.e. an emphatic repetition of the criticism in verse 72 that God and Christ are identical (see Christians and Christianity; Polemic and Polemical Language).” Again, this goes to show that the verse is not clearly saying that all Christians believe that Mary was part of a Trinity. Some have argued that because two verses later in Ayah 75, the Qur’an presents an argument against Mary’s divinity that this means that Ayah 73 is identifying Mary as one of the three. However, this connection is not clear. If one were to read Ayah 72, he would observe that the Qur’an is condemning a belief different from the one in Ayah 73. Hence, just because Ayah 75 condemns the belief in Mary’s deity, that doesn’t necessarily imply that it has to do with the people being addressed two verses prior in Ayah 73. The next verse in question is Surah 4, Ayah 171, which states, “O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary, was a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three!” Cease! It is better for you.”........... Please go islamicdiscourse.substack to read the rest of the article.

mashaAllah

Do you show a picture of Mohammed as you just did of Jesus?

you don't realize how good these videos are.

May Allah give you jannah and keep you away from hell

Its still wrong tho. Bcuz God is not considered the third, but the first in the Trinity. Also 5:116 claims, that Mary is considered a Goddess besides Jesus and God, which is false. No Christian worships Mary as a Goddess.

@robasuca645

5 ай бұрын

As someone said the quran does not care to explain the doctrine since its a false doctrine I mean throughout history there were multiple sects of Christianity like the Collyridianism that took mary as part of the trinity Also this verse could refer to catholics who pray to statues of saints and mother mary which in islamic terms shirk (associating partners with god)

@BRUDERHERZ

5 ай бұрын

@@robasuca645 Collyridians cannot be historically proven. There is only one source ever mentioning them and it is very unlikely that such a female-only sect ever existed. And Catholics do not worship Mary, no matter how much people need to change the meaning of "worship" to make it work. And we still have Sura 5:73, which says "Allah is not the Third of Three". But the Third person in the Trinity is the Holy Spirit and not God the Father.

1- Brother Paul, peace be upon you. Do you think that non-Jews are the ones who distorted the religion of Christ, peace be upon him, by mixing it with their pagan religion? 2- One of the things that shocked me is that the Jews believe that there are two divine persons in heaven, one of whom is called Jehovah, whom the Jews believe in, and there Jehovah is lower than him, according to the interpretation of their rabbis, that he is a great angel entrusted with the affairs of Israel, so I do not know why They attribute divinity to an angel 3- They also describe Sakinah the Lord as the bride of Jehovah and that she will not return to Him until her children return their land or something like that (note the description of Sakinah as if it is a separate personality from God and has feminine attributes) 4-Muslims are the only ones who are safe from describing God Almighty with something that does not befit his majesty A far cry from some of the ideas that I say are clearly polytheistic

It's anachronistic to equate the theology or Messiah-ology of 2nd temple Judaism, Jesus's Judaism, with that of rabbinic/Talmudic Judaism, which wasn't formulated until centuries later and was done in such a way as to actively reject elements of 2nd Temple Judaism that were deemed problematic. The title "Son of God" is not the one which implies divinity, but rather, and somewhat ironically, "Son of Man," which does imply divinity, and it's a concept that Jesus frequently used and believed in. Even Jewish scholars like David Flusser, Daniel Boyarin and Jacob Neusner acknowledge that pre-rabbinic Judaism contained the belief in a divine messiah, which was entailed by the "Son of Man" concept.

@johnbrzykcy3076

2 жыл бұрын

I was not aware that the concept "Son of Man" implies "divinity." That's very interesting. I don't understand all the different aspects of Judaism that you mention. Peace and God bless...

@ConsideringPhlebas

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Yes, it's based on the "Son of Man" in Daniel 7:13-14, which even Rabbinic commentators like Rashi acknowledge is talking about the Messiah. The interesting thing is, the Son of Man is described as "coming in the clouds" and this is a description used for God alone in the Hebrew Bible. If you're interested, here's some relevant quotations from Jewish scholars of Judaism explaining this idea: From Jacob Neusner: "the system laid out in the Mishnah takes up and disposes of those critical issues of teleology worked out through messianic eschatology in other, earlier versions of Judaism. These earlier systems resorted to the myth of the Messiah as saviour and redeemer of Israel, a supernatural figure engaged in political-historical tasks as king of the Jews, even a God-man facing the crucial historical questions of Israel’s life and resolving them" -- Neusner, Jacob, et al., Judaisms and their Messiahs, Cambridge University Press, 1987, p. 275 “The Mishnah’s mode in turn drastically modified the Messiah-myth. […] the Mishnah’s system ended up wholly definitive for Judaism...” - Ibid., p. 281 “As to the Mishnah’s part of the canon, at the beginning the authors wished so far as possible to avoid all reliance upon the Messiah as an apocalyptic figure. Even the language was given a meaning not primary in the prior writings, “messiah” as (mere) high priest, “messiah” as something other than eschatological saviour, whether priest or general, whether from David’s line or the house of Joseph.” - Ibid., p. 280 From David Flusser: “The Son of Man is a sublime figure, towering above the angels and preceding the creation of the world, a hidden figure that will only appear in the end of days. During the eschatological drama, the Son of Man is charged with revealing God’s secrets, and with sitting on the throne of God’s glory and meting out justice in the eschatological judgments.” - Flusser, David, Judaism of the Second Temple Period: Volume 2, Eerdman’s Publishing Co., 2009, p. 262 “Jesus expects a super-human judge, whom he calls the ‘Son of Man,’ to appear in the end of days…” - Ibid., p. 260 “As we will see, the Son of Man is identified in many Jewish sources with the Messiah and this was almost certainly Jesus’s view as well. […] Even though in the Jewish sources and in Jesus’s dicta Son of Man refers to a superhuman entity, the term became suspect in the early church.” -- Ibid., p. 261 “The reason the epithet ‘Son of Man’ was marginalized so thoroughly in the early church is that its original meaning was lost and it became incomprehensible. Moreover, it was understood literally: Jesus is the son of a human being.” -- Ibid., p. 261 From Daniel Boyarin: “According to the first view, [of Christology] which has been popular among liberal Protestants for over a century, the idea of the divinity of Christ could only have been a relatively late “Gentile” development that marks a decisive break with anything that could reasonably be called Jewish. […] A second approach, currently enjoying ascendance especially among New Testament scholars, sees the earliest versions of high Christology as emerging within a Jewish religious context. I submit that it is possible to understand the Gospel only if both Jesus and the Jews around him held to a high Christology whereby the claim to Messiahship was also a claim to being a divine man.” - Boyarin, Daniel, The Jewish Gospels, The New Press, 2012 pp. 54-55 “We find in Aphrahat, the fourth-century Iranian Father of the Church, the following attack on the interpretation (presumably by Jews) that makes the ‘one like a Son of Man’ out to be the people of Israel: ‘Have the children of Israel received the kingdom of the Most High? God forbid! Or has the people come on the clouds of heaven?’ (Demonstrations 5:21) Aphrahat’s argument is exegetical and very much to the point. Clouds--as well as riding on or with clouds-are a common attribute of biblical divine appearances, called theophanies (Greek for ‘God appearances’) by scholars. J. A. Emerton had made the point decisively: ‘The act of coming with clouds suggests a theophany of Yahwe himself. If Dan. vii.13 does not refer to a divine being, then it is the only exception out of about seventy passages in the Old Testament.’ […] Those two divinities [Ancient of Days and Son of Man], in the course of time, would end up being the first two persons of the Trinity. ” - Ibid., pp. 39-40 “This ‘firmly secular’ account with a further story about how the Jews would never have thought of a ‘supernatural Hellenistic Messiah,’ and that the idea of a dying and resurrecting Jesus could only have come in via ‘a Neolithic vegetation spirit, the ‘dying god’ of the Near East.’ Even from a purely historical point of view, this account, cited here as typical of so many, can have no purchase, as it totally ignores the Jewish history of the divine, ‘supernatural’ Redeemer that we have been exploring throughout this book.” - ibid., p. 127-8 I could go on citing scholarship on this issue, but you get the point. lol

@alanbishopman6681

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConsideringPhlebas The title "Son of God" is not the one which implies divinity, but rather, and somewhat ironically, "Son of Man", which does imply divinity…" Son of Man does not imply divinity. A single verse will suffice: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence." Dan 7 : 13. Was God led into the presence of God? The Son of Man is clearly not God. "Even Jewish Scholars like David Flusser, Daniel Boyarin and Jacob Neusner acknowledge that pre-rabbinic Judaism contained the belief in a divine Messiah…" This is largely a misrepresentation of what these scholars have to say (your long-winded attempt to quote each one at length notwithstanding). Neusner, though, is perhaps the only one who provides some support for your claim. Nevertheless, he still explicitly argues that Jesus was totally wrong in thinking that he was the apocalyptic Son of Man. So sure, quote Neusner all you want, but you left out the part where he draws a line in the sand: "...but to find a “friend” in Jesus even as Jesus claims divinity, to deny his claim to be God but at the same time to wish him well, to reject the assertions Jesus makes while at the same time praising his “virtue” and “wisdom,” is demeaning to both Judaism and Christianity." A Rabbi Talks with Jesus, McGill University Press p. 31 The situation is far worse with Flusser, who acknowledges first and foremost that Geza Vermes was absolutely correct in concluding that the locution "bar-nashah" (Son of Man) was merely a Palestinian-Aramaic colloquialism meaning "me", and it would have had no other significance for Jesus whatsoever! Flusser circumvents this by insisting that Jesus did not speak or teach in Aramaic, but in Hebrew! And that's just crazy. But, it allows Flusser to say that Jesus would have used "ben Adam", which he then endows with a whole host of Messianic meanings based upon the appearance of the phrase - not in the Bible - but in the Testament of Abraham (wait, I thought extra-Biblical literature was just obviously insignificant?). So again, quote Flusser all you want, but you clearly left out the part where his primary argument for the idea of a 2nd Temple God-man rests on a specious connection to a forged book rejected from your own canon (see the section of his book The Sage from Galilee, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, from pp. 109 - 116). Your citation of Boyarin is perhaps the most outrageous of all! Boyarin believes that the whole Bible is a collection of myth! He argues that the investiture of a "Son of Man" in Daniel 7 is a recapitulation of the Canaanite saga in which El the High God frequently invests a lesser God of the same pantheon with greater authority. Boyarin then argues that Christianity, as represented by the Gospels, did not follow 2nd Temple Judaism (but rather broke with 2nd Temple Judaism) by re-affirming this older polytheistic belief in multiple Gods (a High God and a lesser God) which had been suppressed in the meantime. So sure, quote Boyarin all you want, but you left out the part where he says the 1st century Christians were closer to the Canaanites than they were to the Jews! (Boyarin makes this case extensively in the largest portion of his book The Jewish Gospels, New York: New Press, pp. 25- 75) "I could go on citing scholarship on this issue, but you get the point. lol" Yes please. Continue your massive self-own by citing these scholars. lol

@ConsideringPhlebas

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanbishopman6681 Back for another tanning are you? "Was God led into the presence of God? The Son of Man is clearly not God." Translation: "He can't be divine because he doesn't fit my subjective criteria of what constitutes divinity." You're applying Muslim exegetical standards to the text not Biblical exegetical standards. As shown above, the description of "riding on the clouds" is an epithet used only for God and divine theophanies in the Bible. Therefore, one so described is divine according to the Biblical view. You can't take your subjective theological understanding or the Qur'an's theological understanding and apply it to interpret the Bible when the Bible is clearly telling you something in its own language. "This is largely a misrepresentation of what these scholars have to say" No, once again, it's really just a problem with your reading comprehension. "Neusner, though, is perhaps the only one who provides some support for your claim." So when Boyarin writes, as clear as day that: "I submit that it is possible to understand the Gospel only if both Jesus and the Jews around him held to a high Christology whereby the claim to Messiahship was also a claim to being a ***divine man***." I'm misrepresenting his views? "he [Neusner] still explicitly argues that Jesus was totally wrong in thinking that he was the apocalyptic Son of Man." Well, colour me surprised! A rabbinic Jew rejects Jesus's divinity! Lol. I specified that Neusner was Jewish when I wrote my reponse to John Brzykcy. My claim, O reading-impaired one, was not that Neusner agreed with Christianity but that he acknowledged the existence in ancient Judaism of the belief in a divine Messiah. "the locution "bar-nashah" (Son of Man) was merely a Palestinian-Aramaic colloquialism meaning "me"" It doesn't mean 'me,' it means 'a person'/'human', etc.: cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=br%40%29n%24+N&cits=all "Flusser circumvents this by insisting that Jesus did not speak or teach in Aramaic, but in Hebrew! And that's just crazy" It's actually entirely possible that Jesus spoke colloquially in Aramaic but used Hebrew terminology when communicating a specific concept. You can observe this in the New Testament itself which, though written in Greek, contains many Hebrew and Aramaic terms, including Hebrew terms that Jesus himself used, like 'Gehenna,' 'Amen,' 'Satan,' 'Mammon,' etc.: bibtheo.com/2020/02/04/aramaicgnt/ Flusser doesn't say that Jesus went around speaking Hebrew at all times, only that when he mentioned the Son of Man, he used the Hebrew phrase ben Adam: "If Jesus spoke of this figure in Hebrew, he referred to it as ben adam." -- Flusser, David, Judaism of the Second Temple Period: Volume 2, Eerdman’s Publishing Co., 2009, p. 264 So in fact there's nothing "crazy" at all about Flusser's thesis that Jesus could have used Hebrew terminology to communicate specific concepts, as we find this repeatedly in the New Testament itself. ""ben Adam", which he [Flusser] then endows with a whole host of Messianic meanings based upon the appearance of the phrase - not in the Bible - but in the Testament of Abraham" Not just in the Testament of Abraham, but also in the Book of Enoch/1 Enoch and 4 Ezra. See Ibid., pp 262-3. He also states in the same passage that these texts share a common lineage with the passage in Daniel 7:13 and are also influenced by it, so the Son of Man is a Biblical concept: "the Son of Man figure likely preceded the Book of Daniel, as it appears there in a secondary role. Other Jewish sources affirm this hypothesis, for while they are often influenced by the Son of Man passages in Daniel, they nonetheless assume their readers' familiarity with the figure." -- Ibid., p. 262 Even the highly influential medieval rabbinic Jewish commentators Rashi and Ibn Ezra acknowledge the Messianic view of the Son of Man, and their view of course is taken from the **Biblical** passage of Daniel 7:13: Rashi: "one like a man was coming That is the King Messiah." www.sefaria.org/Daniel.7.13?lang=bi&with=Rashi&lang2=en “Ibn Ezra, who endorses the collective interpretation, also acknowledges the currency of the messianic view.” - Collins, John J., Daniel: Hermeneia Commentary, Fortress Press, 1993, p. 307 (footnote 265) "you clearly left out" As the above shows, YOU're clearly the one leaving stuff out here, boyo. "Your citation of Boyarin is perhaps the most outrageous of all!" It really isn't. This is just your chutzpah talking. "He argues that the investiture of a "Son of Man" in Daniel 7 is a recapitulation of the Canaanite saga in which El the High God frequently invests a lesser God of the same pantheon with greater authority." No, that's just the scholarly view on the origin of the motif. The Bible uses various Canaanite motifs as vehicles for its own metaphysical views, so this is nothing remarkable. See an obvious example like Isaiah 27:1. Boyarin's view as to the origin of the Biblical narrative is: "‘Rabbi Aqiva’ perceives two divine figures in heaven, one God the Father and one an apotheosized king David. […] I have presented the bases for my own conclusion that such was the original meaning of the text as well; see Daniel Boyarin, ‘Daniel 7, Intertextuality and the History of Israel’s Cult.'" - Boyarin, D., The Jewish Gospels, The New Press, 2012, p. 40-1 (footnote text) "****Boyarin then argues that Christianity, as represented by the Gospels, did not follow 2nd Temple Judaism (but rather broke with 2nd Temple Judaism)***** by re-affirming this older polytheistic belief in multiple Gods (a High God and a lesser God) which had been suppressed in the meantime. So sure, quote Boyarin all you want, but you left out the part where ****he says the 1st century Christians were closer to the Canaanites than they were to the Jews!****" This is just a massive misrepresentation of Boyarin's view and the colouring of it with your own anti-Christian polemic, as would be painfully obvious to anyone who had read the ***Jewish Gospels*** by Boyarin. I'll let Boyarin himself deliver the final, fatal blow to your mendacious monologue: "On the other hand, Jews will have to stop vilifying Christian ideas about God as simply a collection of 'un-Jewish,' perhaps pagan, and in any case bizarre fantasies. God in a human body indeed! Recognizing these ideas as deeply rooted in the ancient complex of Jewish religious ideas may not lead us Jews to accept them but should certainly help us realize that Christian ideas are not alien to us; they are our own offspring and sometimes, perhaps, among the most ancient of all Israelite-Jewish ideas. On the other hand, certain kinds of 'liberal' Christian apologists, such as Philip Pullman (the author of His Dark Materials), will stop having to separate out a 'good Jesus' from a 'bad Christ.' I suggest that Jesus and Christ were one from the very beginning of the Jesus movement. It won't be possible any longer to think of some ethical religious teacher who was later promoted to divinity under the influence of alien Greek notions, with his so-called original message being distorted and lost; the idea of Jesus as divine human Messiah goes back to the very beginning of the Christian movement, to Jesus himself, and even before that." -- Ibid., pp. 6-7

@alanbishopman6681

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@@ConsideringPhlebas "You're applying Muslim exegetical standards to the text…" I'm an Atheist. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that. I admire BloggingTheology and am happy to defend his perspective because he presents a modern, intellectual account of Islam that is the very antidote to extremism which we desperately need in the UK. But - by definition - I can't be applying Muslim exegetical standards, can I? That's an epic fail on your part :) "So when Boyarin writes, as clear as day that… I'm misrepresenting his views?" Yes. Unequivocally. Boyarin analyzes the Son of Man Logia within the matrix of his larger claim that the Jewish scriptures are the product of pagan myth-making. His analysis of Daniel 7, first, and the milieu of the Gospels, second, is literally unintelligible apart from his insistence that the very basis of the "Son of Man" is found in Canaanite Paganism. A Bible-believing Christian - like you - who quotes a small portion of that analysis to support his understanding of High Christology (without mentioning the fact that Boyarin problematizes the typological, narratological and historical background of that same High Christology) is misrepresenting Boyarin. "My claim, O reading impaired one, was not that Neusner agreed with Christianity…" My criticism highlighted important info which can't be dismissed by simply saying: "well he's Jewish." It's not Neusner's personal bias, but rather his analysis - i.e. the superstructure of his scholarship on this issue - which excludes Jesus from being the Messianic Son of Man. Again, to liberate a portion of that analysis which seems to favor Christian claims, without mentioning the fact that this same analysis disallows the real-world identification of Jesus with Neusner's Messianic Son of Man, is a misrepresentation. "It doesn't mean 'me'. It means a person/human etc." I was referring to Geza Vermes' assessment of the locution "bar-nashah." Vermes, who was an expert on Palestinian-Aramaic, said this: "The [phrase] was used in a generic and/or indefinite sense but also as a circumlocution for 'I', having the meaning 'someone like me.'" (Vermes. Jews and the World of Judaism. Fortress Press, 1984, p. 90) My paraphrase wasn't precise, but your criticism is futile. "Flusser didn't say that Jesus went around speaking Hebrew at all times…" WRONG. A single citation will suffice: "It is possible that Jesus did, from time to time, make use of the Aramaic language. But during that time, Hebrew was both the daily language and the language of study. The Gospel of Mark contains a few Aramaic words, and this is what misled scholars." Flusser. Jewish Sources in Early Christianity, Adama Books: NY, 1987. p. 11 Flusser came down hard on the side of a Hebrew-speaking Jesus, with little to no Aramaic. He also admits that this contradicts the opinion of major scholars in the field, and I myself see no evidence for Flusser's radical position. "No that's just the scholarly view on the origin of the motif…" Convenient. Though, that's not what Boyarin says. Boyarin does not identify this pagan background as a mere borrowed "motif" in Daniel 7 but as the actual womb of Israelite religion. Boyarin says that the Israelites' worship of Yahweh was born from that of Baal, a lesser associate of the High God El. The Biblical writers merged the two deities together over time, suppressing the original paganism, but this remained (in Boyarin's own words): "the hypothetical originary ditheism of Israel's religion." {Jewish Gospels. p. 167 n. 27}. My reading of Boyarin's work is accurate. Yours is not. Lastly, you misrepresent Boyarin yet again. You quote him as saying "Recognizing these ideas as deeply rooted in the ancient complex of Jewish religious ideas…" as though this proves Boyarin believed that Christian Messianism matched the teachings of 2nd Temple Judaism. No. When Boyarin makes this statement, he's already anticipating the conclusion of his research. And his conclusion is not that the Christian understanding of the Son of Man was an organically Jewish idea in and of itself, but that it was only Jewish to the extant that it revived the original polytheism of Israelite religion. That's the sense in which Boyarin uses the word "Jewish" in your quote. In his own words: "The theology of the Gospels, far from being a radical innovation within the Israelite religious tradition, is a highly conservative return to the very most ancient moments within that tradition - moments that had been largely suppressed in the meantime - but not entirely." Jewish Gospels p. 47 - - - - - - - - Case closed.

‘Let us make man in our image.’ ? ‘US’ could be referring to the heavenly council. The early Israelites were more henotheists than monotheists. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 and Psalm 82 are evidence. They believed the god El is the head god and the other lesser gods ruled over the nations of the world. The god Yahweh was the god of the Israelites. He was one god among many in the divine council. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 New Revised Standard Version 8 When the Most High[Elyon] apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; 9 Yahweh’s own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share. Elyon refers to the god El. Michael Heiser writes: [In the spirit of going where angels-or perhaps gods in this case-fear to tread, in my dissertation I asked whether this argumentation and the consensus view of Israelite religion it produces were coherent. I came to the position that Israelite religion included a council of gods (אלהים) and servant angels (מלאכים) under Yahweh-El from its earliest conceptions well into the Common Era. This conception included the idea that Yahweh was “species unique” in the Israelite mind, and so terms such as henotheism, polytheism, and even monolatry are not sufficiently adequate to label the nature of Israelite religion. [Deuteronomy 32:8-9 and Psalm 82 are put forth as rhetorical evidence of this redactional strategy and assumed religious evolution. The argument is put forth that these texts suggest Yahweh was at one time a junior member of the pantheon under El the Most High, but that he has now taken control as king of the gods. Mark S. Smith’s comments are representative: The author of Psalm 82 deposes the older theology, as Israel's deity is called to assume a new role as judge of all the world. Yet at the same time, Psalm 82, like Deut 32:8-9, preserves the outlines of the older theology it is rejecting. From the perspective of this older theology, Yahweh did not belong to the top tier of the pantheon. Instead, in early Israel the god of Israel apparently belonged to the second tier of the pantheon; he was not the presider god, but one of his sons.]

A Muslim believe in absolute ONE God, without partner. When you believe otherwise, you cannot claimed be a Muslim. The ruling is clear. What I know from some of my Christian friends here in Singapore, they claimed to be Christians, they believed in 3in1 (they believe they are saved and will be in paradise), but they also believed in Buddha. The friend told me the more she believe the safer. Another friend attended church every Sunday, and went to temple some other day to pray. Confusing to me. 🤔

Islam rejects all physical son, three Gods or the different reflection of God!! First two are too obvious i think while third one is quite tricky because Islam also believes God might reflect a part of his image and power on Earth with miracles so Islam isn't exactly against it. But the problem is that Jesus was a man so God reflected his image as mankind who are considered as unholy in all Abrahamic religions!! On the other hand Muhammad for example refused to be portrayed because he was just a mere man and messenger not a divine figure at all while asking Muslims to pray for Allah not him. And exactly same goes for Angels that you can't find Angels potrayed as humanoids in Islam as they are sacred beings who again wouldn't lower themselves by taking the shape of mankind. I guess the best place to see this difference is Hagia Sophia that Ottoman plastered pretty much all Christian mosaics while converting the Church into a Mosque but not because they were Christian mosaics rather because there are humanoids in them!! While four Archangels around the dome weren't potrayed as humanoids and they were never plastered rather millions of Muslims prayed under them for centuries: worldhistory .org/uploads/images/12473.jpg?v=1599215403 (KZread's moronity) The real difference between Christianity and Islam is so small and in reality Ottoman etc never declared a holy war against ''heathen'' Christian world rather focused on Europe simply because it was richer than all other targets!! Several centuries later Christian powers invaded half of the world for oil and other natural resources and even if they actually tried to convert local populations way more it isn't somewhat considered as a great aggression or holy war rather just colonialism!! The sad truth is all those empires wrote what were the most benefical ''versions'' aka lies and i think Trinity is a part of this. Im sure Muslim empires would also write their own versions of Quran if there weren't already many copies of Quran ofc. And sadly they could do that with Hadiths that there are over a million hadiths today, while vast majority of them are fake. For example there are hadiths left from Ummayad era declaring Arabic people as a holy race and fabricating most of sharia law while there is absolutely nothing about sharia law nor supreme Arabs in Quran...

This verse destroyed every trinity without mentioning three. Quran 5:72 "They have certainly disbelieved who say, *"Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary"* while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."

every christian have their own trinity understanding - that is clear confusing

It's weird that there is any reference at all to 2nd Century heresies, when Paul, writing in the first Century, clearly attests Christ's divinity was part of the religion very early on, and the Gospel accounts depict the Jewish Pharisees becoming angry when Jesus claimed to be GOD incarnate. They didn't threaten to stone Jesus because he thought he was a prophet... What's incredibly stupid, however, is trying to claim that they must have been right to reject the divinity of Yeshua Christ, when it is at least equally as correct to say they INCORRECTLY rejected the divinity of Christ and shoveled an ad hoc apologetic to continue believing in a unitarian view of the Trinitarian GOD of the Old Testament. Unitarianism didn't go away, but is just as stupid today as it was then. The Old Testament and New Testament clearly assume a Trinitarian GOD. And making arguments about the Ebionite heresy is pointless, because none of their writings exist, so it is literally nothing better than sophistry to bring them up.

God in Quraan is correcting illogical believe in trinity, in fact there are 3 entities in the trinity which are independent of each other, thats why Quraan says 3, and also if you say that one entity has property of God, by only say that, you are associating God with other. That what christianity cannot understand in true monotheism. and their trinity is not monotheism.

@BenM61

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The trinitarian Christians believe in three gods. The trinity dogma is therefore tritheism. It is not holy at all, it is a blasphemy.

@BenM61

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@José Riquelme they are not indivisible? One of the three amigos has a god and it is the first in your list of your bogus trinity. The first is the god of the second. What sense is that? John 20 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to *my God and your God.* ‘’’ yet for us *there is but one God, the Father* from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. There is a sense of pagan Greek logos theology there but the Trinity is a false doctrine Timothy 2:5-6 For *there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people.* This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. Trinity is false doctrine Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: *Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him,* as you yourselves know. Jesus was a man. Case closed. Trinity is definitely false. It is garbage. It is above all a blasphemy.

Stop believing in heresies (beliefs or teachings considered unacceptable by God.) Do as Jesus did. “I give you a new command: Love one another. Just as I have loved you, you must also love one another. By this all people will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”--John 13:34

@johnbrzykcy3076

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Thanks for sharing John 13:34. I needed to hear that.

Allah make it obvious in Quran saying " those who say god is three in one have disbelieved " and condomns the other theology of Christianity saying " those who said god is Jesus son of Mary have committed disbelief " meaning both of these theology would end up in hell probably , Islam preserves the monotheism that you can find in the early scripture " the old testament/Judaism theology" the only difference is that Islam isn't a racist religion , there's no such thing as God's chosen people

Malḵi-ṣedeq priesthood vs mahan priesthood

The Higher the christology, the lower the theology.

I follow Prophet Gavin and the fast growing, only truly monotheistic religion called “The Religion Of The Real God” where my holy scripture is called “The Infallible Kiran” and my Gods name is “The Real God”. My scripture The Infallible Kiran was revealed to humankind through the real last and final prophet of The Real God! This is the prophet of my religion, Prophet Gavin! FYI “Kiran” mean ray of light. The Real God used the word Kiran as The Infallible Kiran is the true divine guiding light of The Real God! A gift to all humankind. No other religion even come close! In my faith, my scripture The Infallible Kiran was sent to humankind by The Real God through divine revelations and is a holy infallible scripture above all others! It’s speaks for itself. This scripture contains the uncorrupted infallible divine word of The Real God. It is truly one divine scripture like no other in existence. The Real God sent this all powerful, all authoritative new scripture to rule over and bind all the religious books from the past uniting humankind under its new covenant! The Infallible Kiran is an infallible scripture above all others! The wisdom within is truly sinless and divine! Just read it and you will see! The Real God says that, in mainstream scriptures of past it’s eternally loving, eternally merciful nature for all living things was corrupted by man. The Real God said its going to badly punish sinners in the life-after but there is no such thing as eternal hellfire or any kind of eternal punishments and it wouldn’t condone such a thing as that’s childish and would show a lack of competence to teach and lack of mercy to its children! Eternal punishments and eternal hell are man made fiction and The Real God doesn’t like people associating it with such horrors from corrupted scriptures. This kind of treatment would only show that The Real God has a lack of compassion, understanding and mercy for its creation which goes against its eternally loving, eternally merciful nature for all its children. Prophet Gavin says to associate The Real God with merciless eternal punishments is pure blasphemy. Also bowing or praying towards any object is idol worshipping according to The Real Gods religion which is the only truly monotheistic one. The Real God is very very strict and punishes all sin but never eternally as that’s immoral! Would a good parent punish a child eternally for a mistake it made?? Now apply the same principles to your god. If your god punishes eternally with hellfire or otherwise it is clearly a man made sadistic imposter of a god and more in the class of an undisciplined parent! Eternal punishments are the fastest way to spot a false man made god who doesn’t sincerely love you!! Prophet Gavin said that if a god talks of satanic brutal inhumane punishments and eternal hellfire, its a devil posing as a god and has tricked you!!! He says if that’s your god, you are definitely indoctrinated and suffering from truthaphobia! The Infallible Kiran is the divine guiding light for all humankind and Prophet Gavin said it’s so powerful it will snap people out of being indoctrinated by the devil as it comes direct from The Real God and you will feel that in your heart! The Infallible Kiran contains guidance on gender/race equality, civilised behaviour, historical revelations, future prophecies, why we die?, what happens in the life after? and much much more that The Real God has revealed for the betterment of all living things and to unify humankind. I read the scripture and have spoken to Prophet Gavin who seems like an honest man. Read a little about him here therealgod.co.uk/the-real-gods-last-prophet/ Prophet Gavin challenges any human to produce even one sentence comparable to the divine word of The Real God in The Infallible Kiran! That’s a challenge to all humankind!! See www.therealgod.co.uk to read The Infallible Kiran for yourself. It’s truly beautiful and the wisdom divine! The Real God knows what’s best for us! See here for my scripture that Prophet Gavin has revealed so far. It’s the greatest miracle the world has ever seen therealgod.co.uk/the-infallible-kiran/

The Holy Quran refutes the pagan man-made lie that is the trinity. Crosstian apologists claims are so weak.

@official_Daniel-JesusIsLord

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The Holey Quran