Jesus said all you ask in my NAME you shall receive period.

@cynthiax56

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➔ All of the following things that Protestants attack are found in the Bible: Holy images are BIBLICAL and are not "Idols" .... ➔ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS, CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, HONOURING MARY, THE QUEENSHIP & ASSUMPTION OF MARY, AND BOWING AS A SIGN OF HONOUR AND RESPECT: (All copied from the protestant version of the bible by Cynthia X) ➔ Including proof that saints are not dead, They are sharing in eternal life with Christ. ➔ Saints are biblical. The protestant "reformers" are not. ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: ● JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: ● REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: ● LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨THE QUEENSHIP AND ASSUMPTION OF MARY: ● REV 12:1 A great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with thge sun, themoon under her feet and on her head a CROWN (signifying a Queen) of 12 stars. REV 12 tells us the wiman who aooears in the heavens is the woman who gives birth to the male child who will rule the nations. (Mary) ➨ MARY'S STATE OF PURITY ● LUKE 1:24-48 The Angel Gabriel greeted Mary with: "Hail, full of grace (grace is the state of purity that God gives to human beings by which they are saved) the Lord is with thee" RELICS OF THE SAINTSS ● 2 Kings 13:21 The Bones of Elijah revived a man: 21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. (the use of oil, a material substance was used to heal people) Sacred Images are Biblical & mocking & destroying them is a serious sin, an act of blasphemy: ➨ SACRED IMAGES: Sacred images are not idols and it is an act of blasphemy to attack them: ● EXODUS 25:18-22 God commands Moses to make STATUES of Angels. ● NUMBERS 21:8-9 God commands another image to be made, a serpent. ● EZEKIEL 41:18-25 KJV ➔ EZEKIEL's VISION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES: ... 18 And it was made with CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES, so that a palm tree was between a CHERUB and EVERY CHERUB HAD TWO FACES; 19 So that the FACE OF A MAN was toward the PALM TREE on the one side, and the FACE OF A LION toward the PALM TREE on the other side: it was made through all the house round about. 20 From the ground unto above the door were CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES made, and on the wall of the temple. 21 The posts of the temple were squared, and the face of the sanctuary; the appearance of the one as the appearance of the other. 22 The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the Lord. 23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors. 24 And the doors had two LEAVES apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. 25 And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, CHERUBIMS and PALM TREES, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. ➨ BOWING as a sign of honour / respect: ● JOSHUA 7:6: 6 Joshua & the elders of Israel tore their clothing and lay prostrate (face down on the ground) before the Ark of the Lord. (an OBJECT) ●1 KINGS 2:19 Solomon bows to his Mother. (a human being) ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.

@ldjt6184

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@@cynthiax56 1 Timothy 2:5 says "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

@cynthiax56

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@@ldjt6184 👉REVELATION 5:8 👉Jesus, the one mediator recieves the p[rayers of the saints. You protestants skip over vast amounts of scripture and you don't know the bible as well as you think you do, and you do not have a correct and accurate bible either

@ldjt6184

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@@cynthiax56 You see the word 'saints' written in a verse and you take that to automatically mean they are the mediators between man and God and we must pray to them? You copy and paste a lot of verses but have no real comprehension of what you're reading. I am not fooled by you. That verse does NOT mean that we must pay to the saints because they are OUR mediators, it means the saints prayed to Jesus like we all should. And you're going to completely ignore 1 Timothy 2:5? I'm done here.

@cynthiax56

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@@ldjt6184 saints are both on earth as well as in heaven and Jesus gives eternal life to them, so there is no such thing as a dead saint. Furthermore, saints existed 15 centuries before protestrantism did, and saints follow JESUS...not the protestant "reformers" and since protestantism does not come from Jesus, and did not exist when Jesus established his church, Jesus did not give authority tio any protestant to declare / determine who the saints are. BIBLICAL PROOF THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GOES BACK TO JESUS: (ALL copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia X) ➨ JESUS gives authority of the Church TO PETER the first Pope. (NOT TO CONSTANTINE, Not to Luther, not Calvin, not Ellen White or any other "reformer" ) ✦ MATT 16:13-19: Jesus gives keys of the Kingdom to PETER and builds his church upon PETER. ✦ ACTS 15:7-12: "After much debate had taken place, PETER got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you THAT THROUGH MY MOUTH THE GENTILES WOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVE." ✦ JOHN 21:15-19: Jesus tells PETER to "Feed my sheep" ✦ HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. ✦ JOHN 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. HISTORICAL EVIDENCE: ➨ The body of PETER now lies under the altar of St Peter's basilica. Evidence is even shown by unbiased secular media giants National Geographic, A&E & a book: "The Bones of St Peter" WRITINGS FROM THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS: The word "Catholic" was used to describe the church in writing in the year 110 by St Ignatius of Antioch, and was used in a manner which suggests that it was already in use and understood. These writings also confirm Catholic teachings, not protestant teachings, and thgey confirm PETER as head of the church. Sources for the writings of the early church: book: The Fathers klnow best book: The four witnesses website: www.newadvent.com ➨The True Church is a TEACHING CHURCH: (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not oresently known....not in writing) ✦JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ✦JOHN 16:14: "When the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you to all truth." ✦ Acts 8:26-40 King James Version (KJV) 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Death doesn't separate from the love of Christ, that doesn't mean they are cut?? How on earth did you come to this conclusion? Death can't separate us because of the resurrection of Jesus, but we will never be cut, as the Lord promised! That doesn't mean we should pray to people who passed away. Like 2 Peter 3 : 4 it says: For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” If we go the book of Daniel in the last chapter, 12 : 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. And also it says in the last verse of the last chapter the Angel told Daniel verse 13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” Daniel is resting and will arise for his inheritance at the END of the days. All saints all God's people who are passed now, they are resting till the great day they will resurrect to meet the Lord in the skies first then the living will be raptured to meet with the Lord.

@justthink8952

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Elijah and Moses didn't fall asleep right? They talked to Jesus. Even the spirit of Samuel talked to the midian who communicated on behalf of king Saul. Though necromancy is prohibited, it showed communicating with the spirits of the dead is possible. If God permits, saints can hear our prayers. The book of Revelation mention about the 24 elders interceding for the living.

@elizabeteborn5223

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@@justthink8952 To rest in Christ is to be with him in Heaven!!! Right after death is judgement. Either one goes to Hell or to Heaven! Do you not know that evil spirits can take any form? It was not Samuel! Just an evil spirit who pretended to be him! Please remember that all who are in Heaven are resting with Jesus until the resurection!

@justthink8952

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@@elizabeteborn5223 You make two claims here. You should reflect how many theologians in the past agreed with your views. 1. You said, right after the death is judgement. When Jesus died, he went to the world of the dead and preached the gospel. This place was not heaven. And it was not the place of the damned as well. 2. As for your claim that the median did not talk to the spirit of Samuel, I would like to know how could you be sure of it? The book of Samuel mentioned the median talked to the spirit of Samuel but you said it was the evil spirit..

@garyrodriguez8414

Ай бұрын

And you do not know which of the people who passed are considered saved, only God knows that, so who you are praying to may not be in heaven.

@garyrodriguez8414

Ай бұрын

These guys are nuts!!!😊

Prayer to the Saints and Mary is an ancient tradition of the early Church. Paul, in his letters contained in the Bible, encourages us to pray for one another so that GOD can hear everyone's prayers. It is not a sin and is not synonymous with adoration/veneration to pray to people closer to the LORD than us so that GOD can listen to our prayers in a better way. Intercession is a perfectly biblical concept, present in the Old Testament, where the Israelites always asked someone closer to GOD to pray for them (Moses, Abraham, the prophets...) and, as I said before, in the New Testament . The Apostles, when Mary was still alive, asked her to pray for them. Praying does not mean worshiping or venerating. We Catholics and Orthodox do not adore Mary and we do not adore the Saints and we do not adore the dead. Sometimes we ask these people closest to GOD to pray to the LORD for us. Purgatory is also biblical. Purgatory is a place of forgiveness and purification from one's sins. You can see this in 2 Maccabees 12, which I cannot quote now. The Israelites pray for souls to be forgiven. Obviously, some Catholics unfortunately exaggerate and go so far as to venerate Mary and the Saints as divinities, and this is a very serious sin. But obviously the Catholic Church does not teach this. Some make mistakes, but I only follow the Word of GOD, which allows us to ask people close to GOD to pray for us. Furthermore, most of the time we Catholics pray directly to the Father. Amen glory to GOD.

I seriously cannot see why I would pray to anyone other than God. It begs the question of the quality of one's spiritual life.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

Because it is a Protestant Tradition that was taught you ,Yes .

@ThatGuy-nr5sp

10 ай бұрын

@@ronaldeglewski3073 no it’s not biblical. Yes you can pray for all saints dead or alive , but where does it say to pray “to” the saints that have passed on. “To being the key word.

@ThatGuy-nr5sp

10 ай бұрын

@@henryrappleyea1540 Can I ask why would you pray to someone you don’t know and is no longer with us , instead of asking someone in your church to pray for you . When the scriptures said pray for one another do you really believe that the apostles were talking about praying to the saints that are no longer with us . If so why is there no mention of them doing it, or anyone else for that matter in the old or New Testament. I mean you would think that if this was something that should be done or is ok to do someone in the whole Bible would’ve encouraged it , and even did it , right.

@alexdinev4313

10 ай бұрын

You don't pray to them

@ThatGuy-nr5sp

10 ай бұрын

@@alexdinev4313 I don’t pray to them , do you ?

Hello But you don’t find a single instance of anyone in the New Testament asking someone who is dead to pray for them You don’t find Jesus saying, ask people to pray for you, also ask King David to pray for you… You don’t find Peter telling people to do this You don’t find Paul telling people to do this You don’t find a single example of asking for intercession from a dead person Unless you want to say Saul did with Samuel Which was through a witch There’s just no single example in scripture You try to somehow maneuver it out of Revelation which is a high symbolic visionary book The fact that you have the entire New Testament and can’t point to a single example of Jesus, Peter, Paul, ANYBODY either praying to dead people or obstructions people to do so should be alarming…

@SirBargvis

Жыл бұрын

Luke 16:19-31.

@mitchellc4

Жыл бұрын

@@SirBargvis ??? No

@SirBargvis

Жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 What is going on there then?

@mitchellc4

Жыл бұрын

@@SirBargvis Hello Travis Thanks for responding! This again has nothing to do with asking angels or the dead for intercession - there is no asking for intercession/prayer in the story - Lazarus and the rich man are both dead We are discussing about living people asking the dead for intercession -if you’re going to claim this story is fully literal, people in torment can see and talk to people not in torment?? So again this has nothing to do with living people asking for intercessory prayer from angels or the dead I get it’s a tradition But it’s just clearly not in scripture You don’t see any passages about “so person x called on the archangel Michael to pray for him” “So person x asked for intercessory prayer from the person who died 500 years earlier” You just don’t find that Which is clear Think about that! Thank you Travis

@SirBargvis

Жыл бұрын

@@mitchellc4 Your reasoning here doesn't really make any sense. We have to take Jesus at his word here and that he won't teach doctrinal error. He tells us that people who are in heaven can hear and see what's going on with people who are dead and as well as vice versa. And also that they are aware of what is going on on Earth too. A dead man is praying for the intercession of Abraham to affect somebody who is living. This isnt the only case for people living praying to the dead in other parts of scriptures such as Saul asking Samuel for intercession in 1 Samuel. Jesus also tells us that our Guardian Angels always see the face of "my father who is in heaven." I'm not sure what else that could mean if not that our Angel has direct communication with God and since they know of our Earthly deeds, why is it weird to ask for intercession? We can also make an argument from reason. If Christ is the vine (John 15:1-17), which connects all believers and that nobody is dead in Christ (Romans 8:38-39) then it follows that all parts of the vine have connection to other parts of the vine. And that's not even getting into what the Church Fathers taught on the matter as well.

“So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;” ‭‭1 Chronicles‬ ‭10‬:‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Saul did not speak to Samuel but a familiar spirit that looked like him. This teaching in the video is incorrect. Also context is key, when referring to Romans 8 nowhere in the chapter is prayer to dead saints mentioned. The part references that nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus.

I love learning about the Saints and Mary, Jesus loved and adored his mother. Jesus gave us a full church, the Catholic.

Saints, in the New Testament, are never deceased individuals who have been canonized by the church and given sainthood. They are living individuals who have dedicated themselves to the worship and service of the one true God as revealed through his Son, Jesus Christ.

The Bible doesn't teach to pray Mary or anyone except to the father in jesus name. PERIOD!

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 ESV / 2,575 helpful votes For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.

@bradleyperry1735

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Christians don’t die.

@donhaddix3770

Жыл бұрын

@@bradleyperry1735 their bodies do.

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 Fortunately, our physical bodies aren’t the totality of who we are.

@donhaddix3770

Жыл бұрын

@@bradleyperry1735 agree. but when they die we move to heaven or hell. leaving this earthly life behind.

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 I don’t disagree with your words, but I think our understandings of those words may be different.

Praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.”

@jasiusgaisah452

7 ай бұрын

Catholics don't pray to the dead, but to 11:09 saints who are alive in heaven. Saints are people who gave their lives entirely to Jesus during their earthly lives and they have earned their rewards and now share the glory of Christ the king in heaven. The book of revelation talks about saints.

As a former Protestant and soon to be Catholic I will admit that at first glance the concept of “asking” saints for intercession seemed weird and unchristian. I’ve been re-evaluating some long-held beliefs for a while now and I realize that many of my assumptions about Catholicism were based on incorrect information. Catholics do not practice divination or necromancy. The Catholic Church condemns such practices. There is also a hypothesis floating around that Christians adopted pagan practices in the medieval era or even with the rise of Constantine and that ancestor worship was part of that. This is how we Protestants justify eliminating over 1200 years of church history. Somehow Christians bring martyred for their faith had it wrong, but the reformers 1500 years into church history had it right. We assume the church MUST have been polluted. This is incorrect. The early fathers of the faith and martyrs died to keep the truth of the faith. Yes, in time corruption has come and gone, but the core values have been present from the earliest days. If you research the writings within the catacombs of the early church you will be surprised to find prayers to Mary and various martyrs asking for their intercession; we’re taking VERY early in the church. I’ve also had to face verses like 2 Timothy 1:10 which states that Christ has abolished death. Do we Protestants REALLY believe that? We say we do, but I suspect for many it is in a very abstract almost ethereal way. The Catholic Church takes this verse and others like it very seriously. If you look into the early church you will find Christians asking for the prayers of numerous departed saints and again this is within the first few centuries after the resurrection of the Lord. Let us keep in mind this is asking for their prayers, not conjuring them up or worshipping them or asking for hidden knowledge, etc.

@ldjt6184

Жыл бұрын

Ok, but 1 Timothy 2:5 says "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

@elizabeteborn5223

Жыл бұрын

Many false teachers right from the beginning. The Holy scriptures, Jesus and the apostles NEVER, EVER told us to pray to them!!!! Is Jesus not enough???

@ldjt6184

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabeteborn5223 He is enough for me.

@St_Pablo298

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@Mr and Mrs Bbbb First and foremost I would encourage us to solidify and encourage what we have in common; the most important of which is Jesus. Jesus is the center, He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him and Him alone. Since my comment above I have entered the Catholic Church. I will tell you, I have not been pushed further from the Lord, but have been drawn closer to Him. I think one of the key differences to keep in mind when it comes to the Catholic view of the saints vs new age concepts of “contacting spirits” is that within the Catholic Church one does not receive correspondence from spirits. We are not to contact spirits to obtain secret information. I think the problem between catholic doctrine and catholic practice is that there are unfortunately a lot of lazy and misinformed Catholics out there who “pray” to this or that saint. In reality, all prayer is to God. When we say we “prayed” to Mary today, what should be said is that we asked Mary to pray for us. That’s it. There is not, nor should there be any two-way communication with those who have gone before us. Any communication to any saint is simply asking them to pray for us. I will say, there are some catholic cultures that really focus on the elevation of saints and Mary; some to an almost overboard level. In my experience the Catholic Church generally puts Mary and the saints in the correct light. This was probably the most challenging part for me to accept as a Protestant coming into the church. I had no base from which to understand the intercession of the saints or Mary. I will say that the Catholic catechism has been very helpful. You can even read it for free online. Nowhere will you read anywhere in the catechism that we are to worship the saints or Mary. What I find is a more appropriate view of the Lord’s mother. You almost never ever hear anything about Mary in the Protestant church. I truly feel it’s because they don’t have a solid view of the incarnation. The Lord is the fruit of Mary’s womb. Are we to suggest that an incorruptible and perfect fruit came from a corrupt and sinful tree? Jesus Himself said that a tree is known by its fruit. Now, this doesn’t make Mary divine, but it solidifies that Jesus received his humanity from her. He received half his genetic material from her. She is His mother now and forever. Again, she is not God, but is the mother of God the second person of the trinity. Do I fully understand Mary and her role for believers today? No. Do I think she as the mother of the Lord and rightful queen mother of the kingdom and the mother of Christians (see Revelation 12:17) still prays for us? Yes. I believe that. Is her praying for us mentioned directly in scripture ? I don’t think there is any verse. Does there have to be a verse? Where in the Bible does it say we need a verse for every belief? Where is the trinity mentioned by name? Once I realized that the church existed for hundreds of years before a biblical New Testament canon was finalized I saw the reality that “sola scriptura” was not an authentic Christian philosophy. No early church father believed in scripture alone. The scriptures are indeed inspired and authoritative; however, how does one interpret such scripture? I believe Jesus gave us His church and imbued this church with authority to rightly interpret the scriptures.

@orthodoxchristiancrusader

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabeteborn5223 Mediator and intercessory are different

JESUS said only pray to his father in JESUS name

@Downey-2000

Жыл бұрын

When we pray to a saint we do it in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit .

@Changemymind1

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't change anything. You pray to the devil in Jesus name. If your not supposed to. You are not supposed to.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

@@Changemymind1 You are so hateful Just like many Protestant's .

@TrevoltIV

10 ай бұрын

No we do it in the name of Jesus Christ@@Downey-2000

@evanrico3244

7 ай бұрын

​@@TrevoltIVGod is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, one in essence, and inseparable. To deny this is to deny Christ.

He used an intercession with a witch to support praying to the dead. Does anyone have a problem here.

Paul said in 1Corinthians 11:1 “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ”. Do you imitate Jesus Christ? In Matthew 17:3-4, Mark 9:4, Luke 9:30 Jesus talked to Elijah & Moses from Heaven here on earth in front of the Apostles. 👈😳👇 Do you talk to the Saints from heaven like Jesus? 🫳🏻 🎤

@_chemin_de_foi

2 ай бұрын

Woh bro!!! The protestants are not gonna accept this because it actually makes sense 😄😄😂😂 Basically what they are saying is that we are asking intercession to dead people or they say we are worshipping to them. But they don't have the intelligence to understand the difference between praising God together with someone and worshipping someone with whole heart.

@quentinherrera9209

2 ай бұрын

Fallacy of weak analogy. Jesus speaking to Moses and Elijah in front of the Apostles was to confirm Jesus as the one with whom the Old Testament is in accord with. That part of Scripture makes everything Jesus claimed about Himself (having deity, being the fulfillment of the Scriptures) legitimate. It had absolutely nothing to do with praying to the dead. As a matter of fact, it had absolutely nothing to do with prayer at all.

Lovely! Thank you :)

@olivetaelizabeth

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmickitty5693 Agreed. But you didn't watch the rest of the video did you? Shaun is playing pretend Protestant here. He is in fact a Catholic Apologetic himself.

@olivetaelizabeth

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmickitty5693 lol that's ok.

The passage goes this way (Luke 23:43/paraphrased), "Verily I say/promise to you, TODAY, you will/shall be with me in Paradise."... the English word TODAY, in the context of the passage does not mean the FULFILLMENT is Literally that same day it was spoken by Christ Jesus... why?... if that is literally meant "the same day fulfillment after it was spoken the promise," then therefore, it follows that when both of them died on the cross that same day (Friday afternoon before the sundown), the Crucified Thief goes ahead in Heaven for Christ Jesus went to the tomb for 3 more days, before Christ resurrection, logically speaking... The Bible narrated that Christ Jesus ASCENDED to heaven 40 days after His resurrection day (Sunday) and many (approx. 500 not including women and children) had witnessed the ascension of Christ in Heaven... How about Lazarus the beggar at the bosom of Abraham in Heaven after he died that was seen by the Sinful Rich guy suffering in Hell?... It was a symbolic VISION of representing/describing/depicting/narrating how the Righteous Hungry Poor people will be comforted by God in Heaven, and the Sinful Rich guy suffer in hell in the AFTERLIFE... Let us continue analyzing the statement given by Christ at the cross before He died... "Today, you will/shall be with Me in Paradise."... After the word TODAY, it was followed by FUTURE TENSE (you "will/shall be" with Me in Paradise) and not stated as "Today, you are with Me in Paradise."... (present tense)... NOPE! In conclusion... The English word TODAY was the promise given that same day at the cross but the FULFILLMENT of the promise will be carried on at the FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD PEOPLE OF GOD (Rev. 20:4-6/1 Corin. 15:20/1 Thessa 4:16/Hebw. 6:1-2/Acts 1:9-12/Zach. 14:1/Daniel 7:13-27, etc.)... that will be Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, the Prophets of God, John the Baptist, the Apostles, Martyrs, Saints, Blessed Mary, etc... including the THIEF who died on the cross in whom Christ had promised salvation approx. 2000 years ago... Glory, Praise, and Thanks be to God, In Christ Jesus' name... Amen... May the Peace be with you...

To my Catholic, friends... the Bible doesn't allow you to pray to the dead, Mary or any saints, AT ALL. He forbids this in so many places...and dont say its from the Apocrypha , which is NOT arent books inspired by the holy spirt. You will know this because many of them contradict old and New Testament scripture. So dont go by that---do your research and you will see that. Even the angels dont even allow you to put themselves ahead of Christ in adoration, and you shouldn't either

i just want to put this out there, and i dont want to offend anyone, we don't know who is in heaven. only God knows the contents of our hearts, so even though the church deems people saints theres a chance there not in heaven we simply don't know for sue

@shiduschannel5151

Жыл бұрын

Do you believe Mary is real or not and do you believe she is mother of Jesus or not if she is then it make sense that Mary is Alive with Jesus

Writings from the first century church clearly show us that the early church asked for the intercession of the saints, and Rev 5:8 tells us the prayers of the saints are presented to Jesus the lamb. Protestantism does not go back to the early church. It is a rebellion that started in 1517

@sathsojourns

Жыл бұрын

Are you Eastern Orthodoxy?

@SnortyHogbottomx

Жыл бұрын

@@sathsojournsCatholic

@randym.7238

Жыл бұрын

The Protestants rebelled because they were finally able to read the Scripture for themselves and saw the Heresy of the Romanian Catholic Church.

@SnortyHogbottomx

Жыл бұрын

@@randym.7238 nope. They rebelled because they were, and are...rebellious. The claims that Catholics were forbidden to read the bible is COMPLETELY FALSE. Catholics could ALWAYS read the bible all throughout history. Bur the CHURCH is the maub authority and it existed 4 centuries before there was a written bible. The false doctrine of "scriptuyre alone" was made up by Martin Luther.

@randym.7238

Жыл бұрын

@@SnortyHogbottomx Tradition runs deep, I know. But neither tradition nor Mariology will Save you and neither will instruction from your Pope. Lots of people know Jesus. The question is does Jesus know you? The Catholic Church teaches that" Grace is not conferred on anyone without Mary's cooperation." This denies that It is God alone who chooses to provide His own Grace to who ever He chooses. That one cannot receive the Gift of Salvation apart from Cooperating with Mary first! This my fiend is pure Heresy and denies the Power of God And his Holy Spirit not to mention God's own Sovereignty. If you have read the the Bible you know that 99% of Roman Catholicism is not rooted in Scripture. Mariology itself is not based on Contextual Scripture but is made of attributes that Neither God, Jesus or the Apostles ever attributed to Mary. Not one, other than she was Blessed above all women on Earth to be chosen to give Birth to Jesus. If you are a student of Biblical Scripture, you know this! So your choice is whether to stake the welfare of your Soul and your Salvation on your Catholic Dogma or Just on the The Holy inspired words of God found in Scripture? Remember what Jesus said if you love anyone [or any thing] more than me, you are not worthy of Me. My friend, I urge you to think on these things. May God bless you.

Revelation 22:9 an Angel says to John who is praying to him “pray to God only”. Praying FOR somebody is different than praying to someone (Mary/Saints) a gross act of idolatry. Trent’s use of various Bible proofs are nonsense. Trying to say that the transfiguration is an example of Jesus praying to Moses is another example of trying to minimize Gods holiness so Mary can be lifted up to be His equal. I’m a former Roman Catholic, born and raised, 55-years, until I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to trust the Bible, not a pope.

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

It isn’t idolatry. We don’t worship the Saints.

What the guy in the blue shirt left out in the Romans chapter prior to his example it states the spirit intercedes for us in prayer, it also states Jesus intercedes for us, no where does it says anyone else will. It does say death will not separate us from God, but does not says it does not separate us from those who died. This is the typical Catholic argument it does not say no so it must be ok. When infact if the scriptures dont say yes or cannot be reconciled to a yes then its a no.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

Why do Protestant's say I'll pray for you so Jesus can help but I can not ask the Blessed Mother to pray for me isn't that double standered .

@donwest600

11 ай бұрын

@@ronaldeglewski3073 Because they that are praying are alive. The Catholic use the reason Mary and the Saints in heaven are alive so it's ok. With that reasoning should you not be able to pray to any dead person to pray for you? Do Catholics practice this?

@jasiusgaisah452

7 ай бұрын

We don't ask dead sinners to pray for us. We ask holy people and those who have earned their rewards in heaven aka saints to pray/intercede for us. Now, if ever I need to be prayed over by anyone still alive I'd go to a religious person. I will never let an unbeliever or a lost soul to pray for me.

Is this satire? Lots of scripture that do not provide any evidence of the topic at hand. That’s called twisting scripture.

Jumping through hoopd to verify a doctrine that simply isn't there Jesus instructed us how to pray

Well explained Tim Staples!

Thank you, Sean. Glory to the Lord.✝️🙏🏻......🇮🇩🇮🇩

@cynthiax56

Жыл бұрын

➔ All of the following things that Protestants attack are found in the Bible: Holy images are BIBLICAL and are not "Idols" .... ➔ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS, CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, HONOURING MARY, THE QUEENSHIP & ASSUMPTION OF MARY, AND BOWING AS A SIGN OF HONOUR AND RESPECT: (All copied from the protestant version of the bible by Cynthia X) ➔ Including proof that saints are not dead, They are sharing in eternal life with Christ. ➔ Saints are biblical. The protestant "reformers" are not. ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: ● JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: ● REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: ● LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨THE QUEENSHIP AND ASSUMPTION OF MARY: ● REV 12:1 A great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with thge sun, themoon under her feet and on her head a CROWN (signifying a Queen) of 12 stars. REV 12 tells us the wiman who aooears in the heavens is the woman who gives birth to the male child who will rule the nations. (Mary) ➨ MARY'S STATE OF PURITY ● LUKE 1:24-48 The Angel Gabriel greeted Mary with: "Hail, full of grace (grace is the state of purity that God gives to human beings by which they are saved) the Lord is with thee" RELICS OF THE SAINTSS ● 2 Kings 13:21 The Bones of Elijah revived a man: 21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. (the use of oil, a material substance was used to heal people) Sacred Images are Biblical & mocking & destroying them is a serious sin, an act of blasphemy: ➨ SACRED IMAGES: Sacred images are not idols and it is an act of blasphemy to attack them: ● EXODUS 25:18-22 God commands Moses to make STATUES of Angels. ● NUMBERS 21:8-9 God commands another image to be made, a serpent. ● EZEKIEL 41:18-25 KJV ➔ EZEKIEL's VISION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES: ... 18 And it was made with CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES, so that a palm tree was between a CHERUB and EVERY CHERUB HAD TWO FACES; 19 So that the FACE OF A MAN was toward the PALM TREE on the one side, and the FACE OF A LION toward the PALM TREE on the other side: it was made through all the house round about. 20 From the ground unto above the door were CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES made, and on the wall of the temple. 21 The posts of the temple were squared, and the face of the sanctuary; the appearance of the one as the appearance of the other. 22 The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the Lord. 23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors. 24 And the doors had two LEAVES apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. 25 And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, CHERUBIMS and PALM TREES, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. ➨ BOWING as a sign of honour / respect: ● JOSHUA 7:6: 6 Joshua & the elders of Israel tore their clothing and lay prostrate (face down on the ground) before the Ark of the Lord. (an OBJECT) ●1 KINGS 2:19 Solomon bows to his Mother. (a human being) ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.

@BiblicalFE

11 ай бұрын

Stay away from the Roman Catholic Constantinite blasphemy. The second commandment, which the RCC has corrupted- SAYS NO GRAVEN IMAGE of ANY THING on, above, below, or in Heaven. Call no man father. Those that abuse little boys in the name of their man made dogma. Satan runs organized religions and RCC is his jewel.

I am a Protestant by conviction, so there is my bias out in the open. I have listened to a lot of debates between Catholics and Protestants, in which decent arguments are offered for certain dogmas of Catholicism. But I've got to say... I found this presentation to be really weak. I am working on a response that goes into detail, point by point. But what I see in this presentation is weak references to scripture, some of which are taken completely out of context. All of these references, even the best ones, are merely peripheral examples of dead people talking with God; there still is not a single example of anything that approximates what Catholicism has formalized in, say, the veneration of Mary and the rosary, etc. The problem which Catholicism will always have is that awkward tension between "the faith delivered once for all" and "the acorn and the Oak tree" perspectives. This is an example of the hunt for acorns in the Bible, to justify the trees which now surround Catholicism. But the Apostles would have found this understanding of intercessory prayer to be, at BEST, weird and unnecessary, and at MOST (and I think most likely) offensive to God and misleading for His people.

@triciaperry2234

2 жыл бұрын

They are far from the truth. His examples of WHERE DOES IT SAY WE CAN'T PRAY TO THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN when it says Jesus is the intercessor between God and man in heaven. In heaven We are to pray FOR NOT TO each other and this is why they want to have an Excuse to pray TO DEMONS Because that is who they praying to and hearing. It is NOT even a religion or DENOMINATION Catholism is a CULT AND praying to gods they call saints as if these gods St Joseph St Catherine St Michael CAN DO ANYTHING.....they have ascribed a work to each saint that is supposed to DO SOMETHING. STUPID AND no different than the Greeks. Stupid

@072929151

2 жыл бұрын

As I read your comment, it reminds a lot of my own thoughts from when I was a Protestant and in some sense I agree with you. If one were to try and justify the idea that seeking the intercession of saints is a virtue solely from the 66 books of the Protestant canon - then yes, your case is going to be weak at best. That said, why do you believe that seeking the intercession of the saints is most likely offensive to God?

@kyrptonite1825

Жыл бұрын

Well, first you’ve got to remember Catholics believe in Tradition and Scripture, not sola scriptura which was created by Martin Luther, so it doesn’t necessarily need to be in Scripture to be a Catholic belief. Here is some evidence, though: #1: In the Mishnah, which is very ancient Judaism, and originally all oral tradition (of course the Mishnah has a lot wrong), but in the Mishnah, we see that Jews had a practice of going to the graves of the Tzadikim, or “righteous ones”, and invoking them for their intercession. This was not considered idolatry by the Jews. #2: 2 Maccabees talks about when Maccabees saw a vision. He saw the former High Priest (deceased) Onais, a righteous man, and he told Maccabees that he was praying for Israel (in the war), and so was a prophet (I think Jeremiah). This was a part of the original Christian Bible Canon before Luther took it out of the Bible. You probably already know this, but as a Catholic, I would say Luther took out of the Bible just because some Books really gave evidence to certain Catholic doctrines. But as you can see, both of them knew what was going on, on earth, and both were interceding for those on earth. #3 The Bible often makes mention of the idea of intercession. The Bible tells us to pray, or intercede, for each other, and one verse even has the writer ask for prayers, or intercession, for himself. The Bible records that God told Job’s friends to ask Job to pray for them, and then God would relent, but He said to ask Job to pray for them, not to pray themselves. This is because God answers the prayers of the righteous. This is why the Jews had the tradition of going to graves to ask the righteous dead to pray for them, because God answers the prayers of the righteous, and we know this from Scripture. So people will get the righteous to pray for them. And those in heaven are righteous, they are spotless. Another example, is that God relented from destroying the Jews, when Moses interceded for them. Catholics believe that the Saints are still alive, and that even death cannot separate the Body of Christ. #4: Hebrews 12:1 “Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,” As you can see, it tells us to throw off everything to the Body of Christ. And the verse talks about a great cloud of witnesses to help us, prompting imagery in the imagination of people in the clouds and such. #5 Another Book that Protestants call the Apocrypha, says that Elisha had deeds after death. It might be talking about a verse in the Kings Books where a dead body touches Elisha’s Tomb, and then is brought back to life. This could be attributed to Elisha’s intercession, etc. This deed was attributed to Elisha after death, so this is another evidence. #6 The early Christians believed in invoking the Saints in prayer. And private revelations tell us it’s a good thing. Plus, it’s a Tradition, that Catholics believe the Apostles taught and is passed down. Even one of the Gospels says not everything Jesus taught and did was Written Down in the Bible, that’s a period spanning multiple years, and it really just is not practical for Scripture alone in my opinion. I’d just want to specify, the Church uses the term “invoke”, for “praying to Saints.” And “to pray” means “to ask”. There are multiple types of prayer such as Adoration (worship), thanksgiving, etc. And invoking Saints in our prayers, which we do to ask for their prayers, or intercession, is not worship. It’s a Protestant belief that you cannot invoke Saints and you can only pray straight to God. But we believe all our prayers are ultimately through Christ, to Christ, but that we can have intercessors. #7 This leads me to Rev 5:8 which you’ve probably already heard, but honesty it’s good. It talks about the Elders (interpreted by Bible scholars as Christians in heaven), bringing the prayers of the Saints (likely on earth), to the Lamb (Christ) in golden bowls. This is exactly how Catholic Saintly intercession works. It is symbolic, it literally shows the Saints in heaven bringing the prayers of the faithful to Christ in golden bowls.

@JustinWest

Жыл бұрын

I'd love your thoughts on a video I shot about this topic: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p59qqc-lo7isgZc.html

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

You are a typical Protestant taught all these lies from half taught Ministers , why are so many Protestant ministers converting there are some on KZread , This man Sam Shamounian was a Calvinist Baptist now Catholic Can eat you up if you would like to know all these Ques.

I am neither protestant nor catholic nor orthodox I am just someone who believes in the Word of God that Jesus Christ is the way to heaven he is the way for me to be saved of my sins for he took my sins and died for me and rose again on the third day amen

@EricN571

5 күн бұрын

You got some truth there. I rather have the fullness of truth even if it’s inconvenient or difficult for me .

“The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:10-12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5-6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ Is there an example of believers praying to the saints in the Bible?

@justthink8952

Жыл бұрын

The question is this : Is praying to the saints a sin? Why?

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

@@mrandmrsbbbb7839No. It doesn’t. Also read John’s Apocalypse. The Saints who have died are certainly praying to God for us.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

When Jesus took Peter James and John to the desert ,did not Jesus call Isaac, Abraham and Jacob in prayer . Did Moses , Abraham , and Jacob rose into heaven bodily just like Jesuses Mother .

@alexkkx

11 ай бұрын

@@ronaldeglewski3073 I’m Catholic, but where in Scripture is this?

Lol You can hear him almost realizing it is wrong. 😬👍

Hi. When I view a video, it doesn’t show up in the count. Is there something I don’t know?😁. Some extra button to click?

@that_sun_guy6527

Жыл бұрын

Like or Subscribe, perhaps?

The theological principals referred to here are not of sound doctrine and the verses used are used out of contexts to justify what is not.

The mishandling of Scripture is mind blowing. No Context and adding implications to Scripture. Also, the account of Samuel is the perfect example of why we shouldn’t pray to the deceased🤦🏽‍♂️

For a “saint” to hear your prayer they have to be omnipresent (: and only YHWH is. turn to Jesus Christ. God bless you all🙏🏼🩷

Say I am a business owner,but I pray through the intercession of patron saints of athletes.Would it make my prayer less acceptable?

@katanatac

6 ай бұрын

It would make it an abomination to The Lord.

@user-jx4pt1ww4c

4 ай бұрын

@@katanatac According to your theory then Jesus is also an abomination to God, did not Jesus speak with Moses and Elijah who were long dead of this world at the transfiguration?

@katanatac

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jx4pt1ww4c My theory? Jesus Christ is God, so I don't know what you mean. God's word is clear on praying to the dead and idol worship, that is the abomination.

@user-jx4pt1ww4c

4 ай бұрын

@@katanatac The thing is they are not dead, Jesus himself teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is “not God of the dead, but of the living". Moses and Elijah are alive to Jesus at the Transfiguration and converse with him, even though their earthly deaths had occurred many years before. If Jesus spoke to the dead of this world who are alive in Christ then it is good enough for me.

@katanatac

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jx4pt1ww4c Since Jesus is God He can speak to whomever He wishes, I'm talking about us regular folk, God said not to communicate with the dead. When Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at His Transfiguration this was to show the fulfillment of The Law and Prophets through Christ Jesus and His Glorified body was the promise of the resurrection.

Saints are alive as they have eternal life. Jn11:25-26 God heeds their prayers as they are the just. Pro15:29 Their prayers prevail over many things. Jm5:16 Their prayers are being offered to God on His throne. Rev 4:10, 5:8, 6:8-11, 7:11-15, 8:3-4 Catholics are citizens among the Saints in Gods household Eph 2:19-22 Through every kind of prayer and supplication pray in the Spirit. Eph6:18

@gieanngonzales

5 ай бұрын

Okay, let's read thoroughly the verses you supplied 📍John 11:25-26 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" ~~ This simply talks about spiritual death & life. When a person in spiritually alive, though he died in the flesh, his/her spirit is alive with God in heaven; on the contratry, to be spiritually dead means to be totally separated from God in hell, because hell is the place of total separation from God's presence. Again, spiritually alive = being in heaven with God; spiritually dead = being in hell totally & eternally separated from God. 📍 Prov. 15:29 "The Lord is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous." ~~Okay, "the righteous" here didn't specifically said that they're still alive or dead already when that "prayer" was prayed. Nowhere in the Bible that specifically told that a dead person has the ability to pray. In fact, as we can read in Luke 16 where there is a great gulf between the rich man and Lazarus. Yes, they're both dead and still have consciousness but also both bound to their eternal destination. As Abraham said, "If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets [to read the Scriptures], neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Luke 16:31) 📍 James 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." ~~Again, the context of this is this was a letter of James to the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad (James 1:1) Nowhere can we conclude that this includes dead righteous people. It's really dangerous to say something out of these verses which is not so sure. Really dangerous. 📍 Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:8-11, 7:11-15 & 8:3-4 ~~The saints' prayers here were not specifically described to have been their prayers after they died. Most probably, those are prayers they offered to God while they were still alive. Again, it's very dangerous to conclude about something in the Scriptures which is utterly not specifed or described. Yes, you can say "but they were praising and glorifying God in His presence and they're dead already!" Yes, true. But they only praised and worship God and all their focus is on Him. They cannot hear nor answer prayers because that is God's job, not theirs. We know & believe that God is OMNIPRESENT and OMNISCIENT, right?

@southernlady1109

5 ай бұрын

@@gieanngonzales Your opinion and interpretation does not negate Gods Truth! God established His One True Apostolic Catholic Church and Doctrine, appointed His apostles leaders, Peter as head, gave him The Keys to The Kingdom of Heaven (His authority, power, Sacraments and Teachings). Jn1:42, 21:15-17, Mt16:18-19, Eph 2:19-22, 1 Cor 12:28, Acts 20:28, 1 Pet 2:6-9, Lk 22:28-32, Jn3:5, 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt18:17-18, 19:4-6, Jm5:14-16 a few Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own version of His One True Apostolic Catholic Church and Doctrine, just like all 44,000 other Christian Churches have done. Mt23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 Jesus wants everyone to be His Church, remaining in His Doctrine, receiving His Sacraments and Teachings. 2Jn1:9, 2 Thess 3:6-16, Rom 16:17, Gal1:6-9, 1 Cor 11:3-4, Eph 4:4-6, Jn10:16, 17:20-26 The Catholic Church gave The Holy Bible to the world. Over 1500 years later, Protestants, without Gods authority, rewrote it, deleted verses, chapters, books and changed wording to The Holy Bible & to The Ten Commandments. Changing a word here and there can negate the meaning of the verse. The Catholic Church is to teach us Gods Gospel, not heretical mens versions. St. Peter warned about discerning Scripture for ourselves leading to our destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 Revelation 22:18 For I call as witnesses all listeners of the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone will have added to these, God will add upon him the afflictions written in this book. Revelation 22:19 And if anyone will have taken away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the Book of Life, and from the Holy City, and from these things which have been written in this book. Jeremiah 26:2 “Thus says the Lord: Stand in the atrium of the house of the Lord, and speak to all the cities of Judah, from which they come to adore in the house of the Lord, all the words that I have commanded you to speak to them. DO NOT CHOOSE TO SUBTRACT ANY WORD.”

@southernlady1109

5 ай бұрын

@@gieanngonzales John 11:25 Jesus said to her: “I am the Resurrection and the Life. Whoever believes in me, even though he has died, he shall live. -11:26 And everyone who lives and believes in me shall not die for eternity. Do you believe this?” Proverbs 15:29 The Lord is distant from the impious. And he will heed the prayers of the just. James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be saved. For the unremitting prayer of a just person prevails over many things. Revelation 4:10 the twenty-four elders fell prostrate before the One sitting upon the throne, and they adored him who lives forever and ever, and they cast their crowns before the throne, saying: Revelation 5:8 And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having stringed instruments, as well as golden bowls full of fragrances, which are the prayers of the saints. Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw, under the altar, the souls of those who had been slain because of the Word of God and because of the testimony that they held. -6:10 And they were crying out with a loud voice, saying: “How long, O Holy and True Lord, will you not judge and not vindicate our blood against those who dwell upon the earth?” -6:11 And white robes were given to each of them. And they were told that they should rest for a brief time, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who were to be slain even as they were slain, would be completed. Revelation 7:11 And all the Angels were standing around the throne, with the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell upon their faces in view of the throne, and they worshipped God, -7:12 saying: “Amen. Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving, honor and power and strength to our God, forever and ever. Amen.” -7:13 And one of the elders responded and said to me: “These ones who are clothed in white robes, who are they? And where did they come from?” - 7:14 And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and have made them white by the blood of the Lamb. -7:15 Therefore, they are before the throne of God, and they serve him, day and night, in his temple. And the One who sits upon the throne shall dwell over them. Revelation 8:3 And another Angel approached, and he stood before the altar, holding a golden censer. And much incense was given to him, so that he might offer upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God, the prayers of all the saints. -8:4 And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended, in the presence of God, from the hand of the Angel.

The issue I have with some catholic christians is they go by what Saint Peter says rather than what God says. The bible does say that praying to the dead is in fact a sin. Deutoronomy 18:11 says that anyone who "consults with the dead" is "detestable to the Lord." It also states in the bible that the only thing after death is Judgement, therefore It goes: (Death --> Judgement). There is no in between. Ultimately, we are all children of God and shouldn't be going against each other on what is right and wrong.

@aaronbeans33

Ай бұрын

The thing is too I find many catholics defend their teachings and doctrines and not the word of God itself.

@Justin-si5po

Ай бұрын

@@aaronbeans33 Yeah, they follow what "church fathers" say rather than consulting the Word of God.

The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21). The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3). Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christians are saints-and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints. How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshiped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

In the old testiment it happened as well... in the story of lot.. the angels were talked with.. to come in we pray you.. that proves at the very least communication with angels is not an inherant evil, but good.

Praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.” The story of Saul consulting a medium to bring up the spirit of the dead Samuel resulted in his death “because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance” (1 Samuel 28:1-25; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14). Clearly, God has declared that such things are not to be done.

@chuckjones8459

Жыл бұрын

Lol false protestant traditions......

@donhaddix3770

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckjones8459 so the bible lies? prove it.

@chuckjones8459

Жыл бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 Is does to you heretics lol.... You think it's the sole word of God lol

@lois2997

Жыл бұрын

Heretic follower

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

Asking the Saints who are alive to pray for us isn’t the same thing. Those in the Old Testament weren’t alive again until Christ’s Resurrection. Guess what? Christ’s Incarnation ACTUALLY CHANGED THINGS.

Very forced interpretation. Paul, before being martirized, he said: 2 Timothy 4:7-8: 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day-and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. The race of saints is finished with death, after they die, the just wait to be awarded with the crown of righteousness. Paul also declares that the crown will be given to all who have longed for the appearing of Christ while being alive. There is not works after dead, the reward is for what we did while being alive. Even though we are with the Lord after dying, to the people that remain alive is counted as if we are asleep: 1 Corinthians 5:6. And indeed we rest from our works when we die and also the saints, that means that they don't continue working. Hebrews 4:10, Revelation 14:13. They don't listen to any prayer from anyone and they don't answer to any prayer from anyone, they just wait to be risen with Christ.

@YAHWEH-SAVES777

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this clarification

Distributing prayers and being prayed to are two separate things,

@TrevoltIV

10 ай бұрын

There is only ONE medium to the Lord, Jesus Christ

Asking a saint to pray for us is biblical. Look at Revelation 4 and 5, both chapters. Also, who do you think the great cloud of witnesses described in Hebrews 12:1-2 are?

This guy in blue is perverting scripture, twisting the scripture, We prayer through Jesus Christ alone and the Holy Spirit interceded for us. This guy should shut his trap and stop misleading people

2 Timothy 1:16 18 Paul prays for Onesiphorus at the time he needs mercy from God in that day, which with a Catholic sense could lead you to understand his friend was dead , for me case close as Jesus himself says everyone is alive to his father.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

Yes .

Doesn't Ecclesiastes say that Dad know nothing? And that verse he read has absolutely nothing to do with praying to saints. There is only one mediator between me and God and it's the Lord Jesus Christ it's very simple and really hard to miss

@bradleyperry1735

Жыл бұрын

You may not, but Christians (those in the Church) will not die.

Protestants (followers of matin luther and other men) completely ignore several basic teachings of Jesus, including the words of Jesus that he spoke in the book of JOHN where he tells us that those who believe in him, (saints and believers) WILL NEVER DIE, but will have ETERNAL LIFE. As well as ignoring REV 5:8 (and many other scriptures as well) which tells us that the prayers of the saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. The fact is, that protestantism is a false faith that was started by luther in 1517, and exists to attack and oppose the LORD"s teachiung

@ImmyT89

Жыл бұрын

How is this relevant? Im a protestant, and I know Ill be alive with Christ in Heaven. When we say we dont believe in praying to the Saints or Mary because they are dead. We dont mean they are totally gone. What we mean is they are disembodied spirits. They're no longer in our plane of existence. They passed away or over to the Spirit world. You dont gain Omniscience/Omnipresence when you die and go to heaven. We gain eternal life yes, but only God hears our prayers because he is Omniscient. Just to add, in Revelation 5 when John describes his vision of heaven’s throne room he sees “the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people”. It doesn't say John heard the heard or understood the prayers. Get it? We dont have scriptural basis for Saints hearing our prayers. Its nowhere to be found in the Bible.

@auntiegrizelda4484

Жыл бұрын

@@ImmyT89 I never said that proptestants wouldn't be saved. That is not my call to make. What I have said is:..... 👉1. Protestantiksm and it's foundational doctrines of "scripture alone" and "faith alone" come from Martin Luther and not Jesus. 👉2. All of the things that protestants attack can be found in the bible, including the intercession of the saints, honouring Mary, confession, good works, penance, carved images in the temple of the Lord, (angels, men, Lions etc) 👉3. we don't care how you chose to pray, nor do we scrutinize your prayers, burt as started, the intercession of the saints is biblical. The "reformers" are not

@auntiegrizelda4484

Жыл бұрын

@@ImmyT89 SALVATION IS NOT GUARANTEED... (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia X) ● 1 COR 10:12..Let he who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall .. ● MATT 21:31-..Take heed lest the harlots and publicans go into the kingdom ahead of you. ● MATT 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY THE NE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven. ● 1 COR 9:27 (Paul Speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: LEST THAT BY ANY MEANS WHEN I HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS, I MYSELF MIGHT BE CAST AWAY. ● 1 COR 4:3-5 ● 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I DO NOT EVEN JUDGE MYSELF. (Paul does not judge himself as "Saved" the way protestants do) ● 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. IT IS THE LORD WHO JUDGES ME. ● 5 THEREFORE JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. ● HEB 10:26: If we continue to sin deliberatly, after having recieved knowledge of the truth, there is no longer a sacrifice for our sins. ● 2 Peter 2:20-22: ● 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, THE LATTER STATE IS WORSE FOR THEM THAN THE FIRST. ● 21 For IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE KNOWN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THAN AFTER THEY HAVE KNOW IT, TO TURN FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENTS DELIVERED UNTO THEM. ● 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. ● Matthew 24:13 But THE ONE WHO ENDURES TO THE END will be saved. ● Here I'm going to add ● MATT 7:2 as well, because the surest way for you to earn hell for yourself is to condemn others to go there. The same judgement you use to judge others with will be used to judge YOU. MORE: ● JOHN 15:1-2 1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT IS TAKEN AWAY, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, HE IS CAST OUT as a branch and is withered; and they GATHER THEM AND THROW THEM INTO THE FIRE. ● MATTHEW 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit IS CUT DOWN AND THROWN INTO THE FIRE. ● MATTHEW 19:17 If we want to enter into LIFE, we must KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. ● JOHN 15:10 (ESV) IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. ● 1 JOHN 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that NO MURDERER HAS ETERNAL LIFE abiding in him. ● 1 COR 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. ● 1 COR 9:27 (ESV) But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. ● MATTHEW 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. ● Romans 2:6-8 (ESV) 6 He will render to each one according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. ● Romans 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: SEVERITY TOWARDS THOSE HO HAVE FALLEN, but God’s kindness to you, PROVIDED THAT YOU CONTINUE IN HIS KINDNESS. OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF. ● Philippians 2:12 (ESV) Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, ● 1 John 3:10 (ESV) By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. ● 1 John 5:3 (ESV) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. ● 1 John 5:16-17 (ESV) 16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life--to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death. ● PHILLIPIANS 2:12 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh, for His body’s sake, which is the church... JESUS DID IT ALL: (NOPE) Protestants claim that "Jesus did it all" and that nothing is required of them except for faith, but JESUS tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked (Good works) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and if we do NOT, we will be sent away into the eternal fire. Colossians 1:24 Paul Tells us we share in the suffering of Chrst Sacrificial Service for Christ 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, Acts 14:22 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”

@auntiegrizelda4484

Жыл бұрын

@@ImmyT89 ➔ The entire foundation of Protestantism is false:... ➔The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● 2 TIMOTHY 2 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast HEARD from me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● COR 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. ● HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. 2 COR 5:20 says that God appointed men in the Church to represent Him. And, in HEB 13:17, God appointed men in the Church to have the rule over His Flock. ● JOHN 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have SAID unto you. (Spoken words...not in writing) (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ➔ Martin Luther vs the Bile (Protestantsm, the broad and easy way that leads to hell) ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia x) ➨WORKS: 👉👉 EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 👉👉 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): 👉👉 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. MOREE scriptures that demand good works from us: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORK shall be. ● REV 19:8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● ROMANS 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● ACTS 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● ACTS 2:38-40: (This one is in the Catholic Bible) Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24-2:7 kjv 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Protestants claim that "Jesus did it all" and that nothing is required of them except for faith, but JESUS tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked (Good works) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and if we do NOT, we will be sent away into the eternal fire. ● Colossians 1:24 Tells us we share in the suffering of Chrst 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the c● hurch, ● Acts 14:22 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”

@auntiegrizelda4484

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@@ImmyT89 ➔ All the following things (and more that I could have included) that Protestants attack are in the Bible: Holy images are BIBLICAL and are not "Idols" .... ➔ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS, ➔ CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, ➔ HONOURING MARY, ➔ THE QUEENSHIP & ASSUMPTION OF MARY, ➔ MARY'S STATE OF PURITY ➔ AND BOWING AS A SIGN OF HONOUR AND RESPECT: (All copied from the protestant version of the bible by Cynthia X) ➔ Including proof that saints are not dead, They are sharing in eternal life with Christ. ➔ Saints are biblical. The protestant "reformers" are not. ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: ● JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: ● REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: ● LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨THE QUEENSHIP AND ASSUMPTION OF MARY: ● REV 12:1 A great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with thge sun, themoon under her feet and on her head a CROWN (signifying a Queen) of 12 stars. REV 12 tells us the wiman who aooears in the heavens is the woman who gives birth to the male child who will rule the nations. (Mary) ➨ MARY'S STATE OF PURITY ● LUKE 1:24-48 The Angel Gabriel greeted Mary with: "Hail, full of grace (grace is the state of purity that God gives to human beings by which they are saved) the Lord is with thee" RELICS OF THE SAINTSS ● 2 Kings 13:21 The Bones of Elijah revived a man: 21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. (the use of oil, a material substance was used to heal people) Sacred Images are Biblical & mocking & destroying them is a serious sin, an act of blasphemy: ➨ SACRED IMAGES IN THE BIBLE: Sacred images are not idols and it is an act of blasphemy to attack them: ● EXODUS 25:18-22 God commands Moses to make STATUES of Angels. ● NUMBERS 21:8-9 God commands another image to be made, a serpent. ● EZEKIEL 41:18-25 KJV ➔ EZEKIEL's VISION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES: ... 18 And it was made with CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES, so that a palm tree was between a CHERUB and EVERY CHERUB HAD TWO FACES; 19 So that the FACE OF A MAN was toward the PALM TREE on the one side, and the FACE OF A LION toward the PALM TREE on the other side: it was made through all the house round about. 20 From the ground unto above the door were CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES made, and on the wall of the temple. 21 The posts of the temple were squared, and the face of the sanctuary; the appearance of the one as the appearance of the other. 22 The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the Lord. 23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors. 24 And the doors had two LEAVES apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. 25 And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, CHERUBIMS and PALM TREES, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. ➨ BOWING as a sign of honour / respect: ● JOSHUA 7:6: 6 Joshua & the elders of Israel tore their clothing and lay prostrate (face down on the ground) before the Ark of the Lord. (an OBJECT) ●1 KINGS 2:19 Solomon bows to his Mother. (a human being) ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.

Thats a lot of babbling about nothing, no where in the bible does it say to pray to the saints. And jesus talking to moses and others was just that, talking, he certainly wasnt "praying" to them.

"scripture alone" us Kuther's doctrine invented in 1517 to aid his rebellion. Protestants are following Luther....not Jesus

You can't use Jesus as an example of people talking to dead saints seeing as he himself is God we are not Jesus. And Old testament in other words before the veil was torn down between us and God we're different times we had direct access to God now

All the great men and women of God were given their ability by God through the Holy Spirit once they accepted and believed Jesus through faith.

To say that Paul didn't give condition for who should pray for one another as explanation in defence of praying to the dead is so ridiculously dumb. Besides, if you believe in praying to the dead why not pray to the twelve apostles who were even mentioned in the book of revelation and other fathers of the faith? Why only Mary whose name was never mentioned again after the gospels? Why have statues representing her in your buildings? Also the scriptures didn't say Jesus Christ was praying to Moses and Elijah on the Mount of transfiguration nor asking them to pray for him so why making this up to justify what you're doing? Consulting the dead through mediums is forbidden in the old testament let alone praying to the dead in the new testament. There's no basis for praying to Mary in the Bible there's no where in the scriptures where Jesus taught the people to pray to the dead.

@Jesus3ITrustinThee

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Very ignorant. Litany of the Saints? Hard to even know where to begin with this vomit. It reminds me of what Jesus says to Sardis: “I know your works, that you have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Be watchful and strengthen what is left, which is going to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God." - Rev. 3:1-2.

A Christian is baptized in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Jesus dwells is him , and is communion with the lord ,and you are saying that he will «pray to saint who will ask Jesus to … » 🤔 If Jesus talk pray to the father , and tells us HOW TO PRAY : enter in the room and talk to the FATHER , why didn’t he tells us « and or angels / prophets / etc » When Paul received the revelation why didn’t he teach this doctrine to the church ?

To be honest, this explanation still did not convince me it is acceptable or encouraged or prescribed to pray to the saints. I think the scripture of Jesus giving the disciples the prayer is important to address. Also, i think it is important to address the repeated prayers said by Catholics and break them down. I'm non-denominational Christian.

Catholics CLAIMED that if Christians believe that the Ultimate Authority is the Holy Scripture/Bible (WORD of God), they are rejecting the CHURCH (Roman Catholic) which they believe was built by Christ Jesus... The TRUTH is, Christians believe that the Holy Scriptures/Bible (Word of God) and the CHURCH built by God's only Son (Christ Jesus) are "ONE AND THE SAME"... Just like what Christ said, "I and My Father are One and the Same." ... united as ONE without contradictions and discrepancies... If we asked honestly our hearts, soul, and mind... 1.) Who owned the CHURCH built thru/by Christ Jesus?... answer: from God the Father... 2.) Whom does Christ follow and obey?... answer: Christ Jesus follows and obeys the "WILL of His Father" (God)... 3.) Who send Christ Jesus to save mankind from their sin... answer: God the Father 4.) Who is the One who speaks from the mouth of Christ?... answer: Christ said, all that comes out from MY mouth and had spoken comes from the ONE (God) who sent ME. In conclusion, the Word of God (Scripture/Bible) and the CHURCH should and must be ONE and the SAME, just like the Father and His Son (Christ Jesus) are united as One... therefore if there are CONTRADICTIONS & DISCREPANCIES (which everybody knows there are so many) between the WORD of God (Holy Scriptures) written in the Bible and the teachings of the CHURCH which are mostly Man-Made Doctrines... that CHURCH (Roman Catholic) was not the CHURCH that Christ Jesus built approx. 2000 years ago... that is 100% for sure... Remember the WORD of God (Scriptures) came before the CHURCH was formed... Christ started His ministry on earth without the CHURCH... God's WORD was spoken out PUBLICLY by Christ Jesus for all the people (Jews and Gentiles) to hear before the CHURCH was built... Now, if there were a few DISCREPANCIES & CONTRADICTIONS regarding the teachings, commandments, and Laws/doctrines, who has the Final AUTHORITY to correct?... the WORD of God (Holy Scripture/bible) or the CHURCH?...100% the WORD of God (Bible) prevails. Again, the WORD of God and the True CHURCH of God should be "ONE and the SAME" without contradictions and discrepancies, but if it does, the CHURCH was not the one built and founded by Christ for God... Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Amen.

Great video

The Bible says the church is the pillar of truth. Revelation mentions the saints in heaven taking our prayers to God. No where in the Bible does it say everything must be found in the Bible, a Catholic book

Being separated from the love of God has nothing to do with praying to saints lol. This guy has some horrendous arguements.

These verses quoted are correct but they do not directly or indirectly say Christians should pray to Saints and Mary as intercessors. What I found troubling is that in Marian antiphons Mary is ascribed names that are given only to God.

Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share In anything done under the sun.

Did he ever answer the question ❓

@shiduschannel5151

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Yes revelation5:8 and revelation 8:5 following read those verse and you will understand

@j.kimmer1509

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no but the delusional and demon possessed will think so. Catholics changed the 10 commandments and erase the second one. Demonic. Read the original text and the Catholic bible... Demonic. Some of the "saints" Catholics pray to may not be in heaven...maybe hell... I know for sure JESUS is in heaven at the right hand of God... others i do not know personally.... I will ONLY pray to Jesus; does he not intercede for all of us??? are the saints a better choice??? I choose Jesus.

Guys, I know that talking, asking, and praying to the dead is necromancy, pagan worship, idolatry, and demonic worship because of my old traditional religious beliefs. They would ask favors like protection, good health, and wealth from their dead loved ones. They offer animal sacrifice, food, and burn paper money to the dead. You can see that what they are doing is worship. Worship is obedience and adoration. Worship belongs to only God. Please don't go ask the dead like King Saul, but go ask only God. We can pray to Jesus Christ because he is not dead. We can pray to Jesus Christ because he is God. He says to ask in his name that's why we conclude our prayer in the name of Jesus Christ. Whose name did Jesus Christ say to ask other than in his name and to his Father? Did Jesus Christ say to pray to the saints, martyred, or his mother? ‭Deuteronomy 18:10-11 KJV‬ [10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. ‭1 Samuel 28:3-19 KJV‬ [3] Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. [4] And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa. [5] And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. [6] And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. [7] Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at En-dor. [8] And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. [9] And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? [10] And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. [11] Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. [12] And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. [13] And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. [14] And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. [15] And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. [16] Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? [17] And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: [18] because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. [19] Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. This is my interpretation of the spirit of Samuel in the passage above. When you seek, ask, cry, or pray to the dead, you are actually seeking demonic spirits, evil spirits, unclean spirits, satanic spirits, and not the person you are seeking or asking for. They lie that they are the person you want to talk to. They are just your adversaries that have been around with you and other people for so long that they know everything that has happened to you and other people. They can tell you what is true, but they can also tell you lies because they are deceivers. So even if the spirit of the person you are asking for actually answers your prayer or shows up, please don't believe him or her. It's just a deception because they can transform and take on the appearance of the dead; they even have the same voice as the dead. Therefore, I beg you to please keep praying only to God in the name of Jesus Christ. He has heard all our prayers, but he doesn't answer all prayers. He always answers the prayers that align with his will; so, seek his kingdom and his righteousness in his words, obey and do his commands. Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself.

death doesn't separate us from Christ, but death separate us from each other. a lot of talk but he couldn't answer the question with scripture

How are we to assume what the dead are doing?

The Church pre existed the Bible (new Testament). The Church is what decided what books should be in the Bible. The Church was given authority directly by Jesus. Protestants do not see this.

he talk a lot of things BUT he cannot give one instance saints in heaven are praying for the people on earth. There are TWO ingredients a prayer MUST HAVE, FAITH AND HOPE. Saints in heaven does not possess neither, they have ONLY LOVE. So, NO, saints in heaven DO NOT PRAY for people on earth.

Why do people ask others to pray for them? Rhetorical question. All Christians do this.. Asking the faithful who have passed on to the next life for intercession is no different and is not necromancy. Our God is God of the living !

Pray for one another yes……but why would we need to pray for a saved individual if they’ve died and are in Heaven with Jesus? They’re in the presence of the Glorious Lord and Savior, what good would our earthly prayer be to them after leaving this earth? I guess if we believed they were in purgatory a prayer would be useful…..

@bradleyperry1735

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Because there’s no way to know someone is saved when they die. Why would you not pray for their soul after they have fallen asleep? What if your prayers are the only thing that carries that person to God?

These reasons for praying to saints seem to be far reaching and distorting scripture. Can you please elaborate how prayer isn't worship? If elder saints (whom are with the Lord) receive our prayers on behalf of the Lord, are they not still prayers to God? For example If I write a letter to the president that is received by his staff. Does that mean I wrote a letter to his staff? Praise you Lord Jesus. The one and only savior.

@gregtowle8830

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They still dont get it. 1 Timothy 2:5, NLT …there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity… Christ Jesus.

@gregtowle8830

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1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

@bradleyperry1735

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@@gregtowle8830I have a feeling you don’t understand what this actually means…

@bradleyperry1735

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Start with the Old Testament. Worship is sacrifice and offering.

@gregtowle8830

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@@bradleyperry1735 The OLD test, is the law isnt it?

hebrews 11:5, 12:1, 12:22-24- saints in heaven. he mentions this at 8:00 min in 😊. based on some of the comments here, people didn't listen to what said and scripture citations- this is when you raise ideology you are given via Protestant church above scripture. it also discounts all witness testimonies recorded in last 300 years - from people, some of whom were not even christian. i guess you can try to say that they were all hallucinating mad people.

1 Timothy 2:5

@cosmickitty5693

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Revelation 5:8

Acts 23:8 “For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor angel, nor spirit” we know how it turned out for the Sadducees. God took the priesthood away from them and essentially gave it to the Romans, and he used the Romans to decimate their nation. A lot of Sadduccees on here. Step into the New Covenant, it’s brighter!

Jesus NEVER prayed to anyone else, nor does he tell us to.

@joelopez1770

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How did Jesus pray?

@mrg3006

8 ай бұрын

@@joelopez1770 to the Father.

Why do witches pray to saints, Mary, and use rosary’s, saint candles, Mary and saint images and idols during there dark rituals ? I saw one women abort her baby at her home and laying it on a Catholic looking alter on KZread, and this happens worldwide in Santeria and witchcraft in every nation on earth. it’s just weird to me that we need to do these things that aren’t in the Bible, but are taught by a Roman institution who was previously pagan, doing the same practices witches do, and feeding Christian’s to lions before finally becoming a Christian nation because the world changed and they were forced to rebrand there gods as saints, and rebrand Ishtar (Easter, a Mesopotamian, Roman, and Greek demon) as Mary. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ, and God is waking up his church… we can all feel it. as the scriptures say “come out of her my people!” I think really applies to us in these last days…Let’s throw away our idols and worship and serve the Living God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! God bless you family!

...pray TO your Father, who is UNSEEN. - Matthew 6:6 At that time you WON’T need to ask Me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask The Father DIRECTLY... - John 16:23 Always giving thanks to God The Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. - Ephesians 5:20 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. - Philippians 4:6

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:44 📜 The Bible doesn't exclude praying for one another, whether living or deceased, and there's no biblical basis for excluding the deceased from prayer. 02:47 🙏 The saints in heaven are more closely connected to Christ, as they are free from sin, making them powerful intercessors for our prayers. 04:23 📖 Jesus initiated the idea of praying to the saints, as seen in the Transfiguration, where He communicated with Moses and Elijah, demonstrating the practice of prayer to those who have passed away. 07:50 ⛪ The New Covenant allows us to approach God alongside angels, Jesus, and the spirits of just men made perfect, highlighting the interconnectedness of the living and those who have passed away. 10:04 🙌 Revelation provides examples of elders and angels receiving and presenting the prayers of the saints, illustrating the intercession of the saints in heaven.

@gerzonmondragon5954

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Jesus did not pray to Moses or Elijah that's a dangerous lie

His explanation isn’t clear , im sorry but I’m trying to understand if it’s appropriate to pray to saint and worship them and I’m not a full blown Christian even though everyday I’m trying to be better form of one , but I highly doubt Jesus Christ would approve of that

@snehakota6068

2 ай бұрын

It's not. Please pray only to God.

What verse in the Bible that shows the names of Mary and the saints in heaven? Paul and John were taken to heaven but they didn’t see this false doctrine you’re talking about. Only the one who descends from heaven has ascended to heaven. Correct? I am a Berean.

I guess it starts with the way the question was formulated.... it's not found in the Bible... that's the difference isnt it, among protestants and catholics... there's the sacred traditions of yhe catholics that protestants don't accept...

The whole entire Old and New Testament, are about worshiping the on true God. Why even get close to polytheism by praying to saints. The ancient polytheists used to believe in God but also praying to intermediaries.

The Jews never accepted the Apocrypha books either so... 🤔

@iggyantioch

6 күн бұрын

They also disagreed with each other on the ot cannon. The Temple had been destroyed No high priest. The authority over The Logos was transferred to the Church. That Church decided on the Cannon. Jamnia decision has no authority. The fulfillment of the scriptures is the Post resurrection Church which is given this power. Jerome lobbied for the Hebrew ot. He assented to the Catholic and Orthodox Church ot cannon. He recognized this Authority. Peace

On the Cross Christ said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And some of them that stood there, when they heard it, said, This man calleth Elijah" (Matthew 27:46-48). They wrongly understood the words of Christ, but here we have an example of people in times of Christ who weren't surprised at all that Christ prayed for help to a saint of the Old Testament.

@ronaldeglewski3073

11 ай бұрын

YES , we do not Die , why did Jesus call three great Men when he took Peter ,James and John with him to the desert .

@jtplumbing6592

8 ай бұрын

He quoted psalm 22 when He said that, who is teaching you what you said ?

Those who have died are with Christ not in purgatory. They are not cut off from Christ. Your church teaches that you are cut off from Christ In death sent to purgatory.

The god of the living, not the dead

Its a misread , it says pray for one another , not to Saints. I do pray for the safety of my family to Jesus, but i do not pray to my mom lol. :P

@cynthiax56

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➔ All of the following things that Protestants attack are found in the Bible: Holy images are BIBLICAL and are not "Idols" .... ➔ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS, CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, HONOURING MARY, THE QUEENSHIP & ASSUMPTION OF MARY, AND BOWING AS A SIGN OF HONOUR AND RESPECT: (All copied from the protestant version of the bible by Cynthia X) ➔ Including proof that saints are not dead, They are sharing in eternal life with Christ. ➔ Saints are biblical. The protestant "reformers" are not. ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: ● JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: ● REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: ● LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. ➨THE QUEENSHIP AND ASSUMPTION OF MARY: ● REV 12:1 A great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with thge sun, themoon under her feet and on her head a CROWN (signifying a Queen) of 12 stars. REV 12 tells us the wiman who aooears in the heavens is the woman who gives birth to the male child who will rule the nations. (Mary) ➨ MARY'S STATE OF PURITY ● LUKE 1:24-48 The Angel Gabriel greeted Mary with: "Hail, full of grace (grace is the state of purity that God gives to human beings by which they are saved) the Lord is with thee" RELICS OF THE SAINTSS ● 2 Kings 13:21 The Bones of Elijah revived a man: 21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. (the use of oil, a material substance was used to heal people) Sacred Images are Biblical & mocking & destroying them is a serious sin, an act of blasphemy: ➨ SACRED IMAGES: Sacred images are not idols and it is an act of blasphemy to attack them: ● EXODUS 25:18-22 God commands Moses to make STATUES of Angels. ● NUMBERS 21:8-9 God commands another image to be made, a serpent. ● EZEKIEL 41:18-25 KJV ➔ EZEKIEL's VISION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES: ... 18 And it was made with CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES, so that a palm tree was between a CHERUB and EVERY CHERUB HAD TWO FACES; 19 So that the FACE OF A MAN was toward the PALM TREE on the one side, and the FACE OF A LION toward the PALM TREE on the other side: it was made through all the house round about. 20 From the ground unto above the door were CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES made, and on the wall of the temple. 21 The posts of the temple were squared, and the face of the sanctuary; the appearance of the one as the appearance of the other. 22 The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the Lord. 23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors. 24 And the doors had two LEAVES apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. 25 And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, CHERUBIMS and PALM TREES, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. ➨ BOWING as a sign of honour / respect: ● JOSHUA 7:6: 6 Joshua & the elders of Israel tore their clothing and lay prostrate (face down on the ground) before the Ark of the Lord. (an OBJECT) ●1 KINGS 2:19 Solomon bows to his Mother. (a human being) ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.

@justthink8952

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@@cynthiax56 Thanks for your compilation. Protestants never realise that establishing Protestant churches is not biblical and hence illegitimate. There is no single verse in the Bible that supports establishment of Protestant churches. Even Protestant pastors are invalid. No Protestant pastor has been validly ordained. None of them had apostolic succession. None of them had been ordained explicitly by the revelation of God.

@cynthiax56

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@@justthink8952 yep. It's actually protestantism that is unbiblical. they just skip over all the scriptures that contradict their claims

@cynthiax56

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@@justthink8952 ➔ The entire foundation of Protestantism is false:... ➔The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● 2 TIMOTHY 2 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast HEARD from me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● COR 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. ● HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. 2 COR 5:20 says that God appointed men in the Church to represent Him. And, in HEB 13:17, God appointed men in the Church to have the rule over His Flock. ● JOHN 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have SAID unto you. (Spoken words...not in writing) (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ➔ Martin Luther vs the Bile (Protestantsm, the broad and easy way that leads to hell) ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia x) ➨WORKS: 👉👉 EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 👉👉 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): 👉👉 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. MOREE scriptures that demand good works from us: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORK shall be. ● REV 19:8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● ROMANS 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● ACTS 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● ACTS 2:38-40: (This one is in the Catholic Bible) Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24-2:7 kjv 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Protestants claim that "Jesus did it all" and that nothing is required of them except for faith, but JESUS tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked (Good works) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and if we do NOT, we will be sent away into the eternal fire. ● Colossians 1:24 Tells us we share in the suffering of Chrst 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the c● hurch, ● Acts 14:22 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”

@j.kimmer1509

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@@cynthiax56 Catholics changed the 10 commandments and erase the second one. Demonic. Read the original text and the Catholic bible... Demonic. Some of the "saints" Catholics pray to may not be in heaven...maybe hell... I know for sure JESUS is in heaven at the right hand of God... others i do not know personally.... I will ONLY pray to Jesus; does he not intercede for all of us??? are the saints a better choice??? I choose Jesus.

the first and second commandments of God proves and makes it quite clear how we shouldn't pray to anyone except for God Jesus Christ Himself and how only God Jesus Christ Himself should be the only one that is worshiped and how sinful idol worshipping is period end of the story it shouldn't even be a debate smh

I agree with the doctrine of the communion of saints, but wouldn't it be better to appeal to tradition instead of scripture as I find your scriptural defense to be weak.

@AlTriolo

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This comment is spot on. Thank you. -- What many fail to realize is that the scripture is as much a product of the tradition as the tradition is a product of the scripture. Most of the New Testament, if not all of it, was written during the first century. This factor was even a prerequisite for texts to later be considered scripture, (though none of the New Testament writers actually thought they were writing scripture). The New Testament is, in many ways, a snapshot of the tradition of the church in the first century. It was a time when many of the Apostles were still living and could be personally sought out for instruction and prayers. This was different in the second century. We no longer had the saints in the flesh (I'm not getting into the dead-v-alive debate). What we do have is a limited snapshot of the tradition at that time. We get glimpses from Ignatius, Polycarp, and Iranaeus, all of whom were either disciples of the apostles or one disciple removed. By the time we get to the fourth century, asking the saints to intercede for us is the norm in the church. it seems much of this developed through the experience of the church with the remains of the saints who had died (relics). -- I would very much like to read or hear a well laid out description of the traditions around praying to the saints through the second and third centuries. From my limited exposure, I would expect relics to also be part of that description.

1:59 love how he twists scripture to the point of the roman catholic church teaching. Nothing separates us from the love of Christ has nothing to do with prayer to the entities he has just named!

@chuckjones8459

11 ай бұрын

Clown boy catholic teaching is how the Bible was made by the ordinal Christians who were & called themselves catholic ( from God the Holy Ghost ) before the term " christians" was invented by man . Those Catholics inspired by God the Holy Ghost wrote of their catholic lives,practices & rites & traditions into scripture which their catholic church made into a Bible & codified.

@HisLivingStone241

11 ай бұрын

Are there two Bodies of Christ? Or does the Kingdom of Heaven place division between the one Body? Is the Kingdom of Heaven limited by space time?

@chuckjones8459

11 ай бұрын

@@HisLivingStone241 Ask a catholic priest for full understanding especially a theologian. Or seek out answers by catholic theologians like St.Thomas Aquinas. Otherwise only one supernatural body of Christ & only 1 corporeal body.

@josuelara6415

10 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

Jesus didn’t ask for Moses and Elijah to intercession His behalf, and that’s a bad example. Not nearly the same, and plus, He’s God, it’s not like we can call soon the spirits of those with the Father to talk to us like Jesus can. That has nothing to do with humans calling upon deceased humans to take their prayers to God on our behalf, and I don’t get that argument.

I do not contradict the idea that all the people who served God from the heart are in heaven, they fought to serve God and fought for their salvation despite temptations, but nowhere in the bible does it say that they can intercede for us here on earth; Moses interceded but he was alive, he does not say that from heaven he interceded and did it because the people of Israel were afraid of the voice of Jehovah the only one who can do that is Jesus Christ and he says it in (1 Timothy 2:5) they They were just people like us. Mary does not say, Peter does not say, Paul does not say that only Jesus Christ; And what a bad idea to say that because we are sinners God does not listen to us, that is wrong and we can find it in (Psalm 145: 18-19). It is clear that this person uses the Bible at his convenience may God have mercy on him.

The key to fight against this diversion away from the merit of jesus are two words "for" and "to" we pray For) brethren never To) brethren.."only one name given under heaven"

We sleep in Christ until the resurrection why is it we have to keep telling people to pray or can pray to saints this so wrong CHRIST is the only one we pray too. How are they resting in the Lord if the are still being in contact with the living.

Several of the passages you mentioned do indeed say what they say. But you misinterpret other passages to suit your Catholic heresy.

@maxellton

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And we should accept your interpretation instead because you have the authority.

@ldjt6184

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@@maxellton The bible itself has authority. Don't take it out of context.

@maxellton

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​@@ldjt6184 That's the problem, then, isn't it? One person will accuse another of taking things out of context, and the other will do the same.One will say they were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the other will do the same. So, whose interpretation do you take? Would you take it from a church that is 2000 years old and canonize the Bible or someone who belongs to a church founded by men around the 70s or 80s or even around the 16th century?

@ldjt6184

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@@maxellton That's a fair question, but I wouldn't first rely on any man or church, I would go straight to the bible always and work it out for myself. I listen to others but always bring it back to the bible in context. That's all I can really do.

@maxellton

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@@ldjt6184 'Working it out for myself' will lead to Religious Relativism or subjective truth.

This also means we can confess our sins to those in heaven. The Bible commands us to confess our sins to each other, just as we ask others for prayer. Why go to in-person confession if you can confess to a "more-alive" saint in heaven? You're wasting time attempting to communicate with the disembodied in heaven.

@lois2997

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Bs, you Protestants are ignorant. You don’t understand anything so why do you troll

@ImmyT89

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I agree. Catholics dont seem to like the term "dead". They say that saints are alive in Christ in heaven. I dont disagree. Our souls are alive in heaven but disembodied, meaning physically dead..

@bradleyperry1735

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They’re not disembodied. They’re immaterial. This is not the same thing.

@ImmyT89

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@@bradleyperry1735 Umm.. Check your dictionary . It is the same thing. Disembodied means having no material body, being immaterial incorporeal or insubstantial. There are only 3 individuals in the Bible who were assumed into heaven while still physically alive. Jesus, Elija and Enoch.

@bradleyperry1735

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@@ImmyT89 Moses was assumed bodily into Heaven. Which is why Christ was consulting with Elijah and Moses on Mount Tabor. Also why the devil and Saint Michael were contesting over his body. And I’m not concerned with what the dictionary defines “body” as. Contemporary language doesn’t reflect the understanding of what a body is in ancient cultures. Bodiless and immaterial CAN mean the same thing, but they often do not.

I went to school with someone that had your same name. Wild.

Asking someone to pray for you isn't the same as praying to someone who is dead.

Pertains to Christ, not the dead ones.

Catholicism follows it's own doctrines not the doctrines of Jesus. Chapter 17 of the Book of the Revelation of The Revelation of Jesus Christ is the description of catholicism according to Jesus. The seven mountains are the seven hills of Rome.

When your dead, That’s It!!! If you believed in Jesus Christ before you died then you have nothing to fear. But if you didn’t then there are no more chances. And purgatory is a man made story. NOT TRUE. It’s no where in the Bible. All catholic saints were voted into this status by the Catholic Church. That doesn’t make them holy. That would be the same as praying to ba’al or molech. Mary and these so-called saints are dead. You don’t pray to dead people. Lastly. If your teaching this false doctrine, then you should know what the Bible says about that. And what will happen to you. It’s not good! REPENT!!! Before it’s too late!!! Only pray to Father God thru Jesus Christ His only Son. repent while your still alive... if you don’t then one day you will bow before Jesus and he will say ‘I never knew you”... Matthew 6:9-13. Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. 11 ‘Give us this day our daily bread. 12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Does it matter whether or not the Scriptures say so?

@shadowingmirror4634

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No duh