The reason Genesis comes up so much is that when most people start reading the Bible, that's as far as they get before giving up.

@cocobunitacobuni8738

11 ай бұрын

Truer words have not been spoken.

@almcdermid9669

11 ай бұрын

So true.

@91722854

11 ай бұрын

imagine the mental turmoil it must be for someone to go through the entire thing, though those who read it as a kid and depending on their upbringing and self directed growth as an adult, they would range from sever mental dissonance and might as well have 24/7 mental breakdown or simply reject it so much that they move to somewhere deep in the woods or a cave where there are no humans around them within 10km radius

@kallisto9166

11 ай бұрын

Well partly that. It's also because Genesis is where the Bible comes closest to actually describing its cosmology, which it still only does in passing.

@johnsensebe3153

11 ай бұрын

@@bobosapiens3926 Jesus didn't write any part of the Bible.

I am SO RELIEVED to learn that you're Jesus. There are some people online saying that Trump is Jesus, and that's just scary.

@kallisto9166

11 ай бұрын

Trump is the new Jesus. He's better than the old Jesus because he doesn't go on about all that pussy shit about not hating people.

@patchvonbraun

11 ай бұрын

Well, if Jesus is a public office, I'm much happier to have Emma occupy it than Trump, that's for sure....

@fepeerreview3150

11 ай бұрын

Emma 2024!

@InertiaCreeps

11 ай бұрын

@@fepeerreview3150Emma 2024!

@NayrAnur

11 ай бұрын

🦆>🍊

Actually almost every place with a "world flood" story are near an ocean or river so it was most likely a "my whole town is flooding"="the world is flooding"

@allasar

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention that the vast majority of humans lived near a water source, who knew.

@mikearchibald744

11 ай бұрын

@@allasar and throughout history, and certainly the cliche of americans is "my world IS the whole world"

@richardhill2643

11 ай бұрын

With the development of agriculture+ trade and people starting to live in costal villages/towns/ports, and the use of boats for trade, and all in the context of sea levels GLOBALLY rising at the end of the last glacial maximum by 120m from 20,000 years ago and finally stabilising 6000 years ago, it is hardly surprising that many religions have stories of great floods. The coasts would have moved inland by 10s or 100s of km, so all of the emerging societies in any coastal areas would have been progressively flooded. I see this as the origin of "the great flood" mythology. Real evidence of a global flood...! Of course it did not cover all of the land, as the sea level stabilised about 6000 years ago, until the last 140 years as we cause more ice to melt and raise the sea levels further.

@theboombody

11 ай бұрын

Probably so. I see no point in spending a lot of time arguing whether the flood was global or local. Who cares. The main idea of that story is sin has consequences. The same main idea that echoes throughout the whole Bible, and that main idea is definitely true.

@flammamancer

11 ай бұрын

@@mikearchibald744 well its true.

As a Christian, it's sad that you're doing better Bible scholarship than 90% of Christians. Also appreciated.

@fartface192

11 ай бұрын

Glad to have you!

@craigmusa2254

11 ай бұрын

Most biblical scholarship in the past few decades has bee. Done by none Christians

@Robert08010

11 ай бұрын

...better Bible scholarship than 100% of flat earthers. But I am not sure I would say than 90% of Christians. On the other hand, I was a bit dismayed when I discovered a friend, a mainline denomination modern christian believed there was a dome up until the flood of Noah. I don't see any basis for any dome of any kind. I accept the word firmament to mean sky or "the heavens". My interpretation is that God created the pillars (the physics of matter, energy and gravity) and designed this universe to unfold naturally. I believe "Let there be light" was the big bang since any biblical cosmology seems to imply that our timeline is different from God's timeline. I presume that means that at the big bang, space and TIME (as we perceive it) came into existence. God may have some other sort of timeline or dimension. I love the fact that if an actual being from outside of our time tried to physically appear in our time (without first being born as a human) a hole in our reality would have to appear, reality being bent and distorted significantly. A great example of this is the burning bush. It all seems to work. I don't think the bible is a linear time record but I think it highlights times where God intervened in Earth's history.

@andrewenderfrost8161

11 ай бұрын

I mean, she *is* Jesus

@flammamancer

11 ай бұрын

ChatGPT is a good tool for bible study. I typed in for example "why would you say the bible never has a guidebook to live your life by like a college textbook?". and it gave an interesting read.

Ive always found that the average person's interpretation of the Bible is this. "The parts that I agree with are literal. The parts that I don't agree with are metaphors to support what I believe."🤣

I would love a video about the reasons for the conflict between Galileo and the church! So much of what was included and discarded from the Bible was political in nature, which a lot of Christians don't realize since it is the literal word of God. Delving into all of the politics surrounding the Bible and early scientists would be fascinating

@Black_Knight767

11 ай бұрын

God, I love discussing the history of canonicity

@Steelmage99

11 ай бұрын

I really like Alex O'Connors (CosmicSkeptic) video on Galileo.

@merseyviking

11 ай бұрын

I think a lot of it was Galileo being a bit of a loudmouth and annoying the Church. If he had kept his head down and just done his observations and made his hypotheses, which the Church was willing to tolerate, he would have had an easier life.

@BlackEpyon

11 ай бұрын

Galileo's beef with the church was heliocentricity, not flat earth cosmology.

@andrewextravaganza8796

11 ай бұрын

​@BlackEpyon I believe they knew that, and just wanted a more in-depth analysis of that conflict

Imagine taking literally a book, written by Hebrew people, in Greek, translated in Latin and translated in English. The miracle is that the text makes sense at all

@JaceDeanLove

9 ай бұрын

I mean it's translated to English directly from Hebrew and Greek. It's not like we have a translation of a translation of a translation.

@LeSarthois

9 ай бұрын

@@JaceDeanLove Except that several parts of the Bible were first written in Aramaic, and we only have the Greek translations of those. And from the Dead Sea Scrolls we do know that the Bible was rewritten anyway, books were added or removed. It's not a monolithic text that came to us gradually, with additions but never any changes. Even the Torah which is claimed to have never been altered once, has been altered over centuries, despite using the same language to be copied over and over.

@missoats8731

9 ай бұрын

And then add the fact that it was written about 2000 years ago. Sometimes it's hard to understand what people were on about even 100 years ago. I had to study medieval texts at university. There's so much in these texts that doesn't mean what we would think it means. It's basically like someone 1000 years from now reading an Instagram comment that says "You're sick, bro" and thinking it's someone diagnosing their brother with a disease.

@dewardroy6531

7 ай бұрын

Yes it is, and it’s gone through innumerable scribes.

@dewardroy6531

7 ай бұрын

Yes it is, and it’s gone through innumerable scribes.

It's interesting how many people who have left religion have said it's because they honestly read the bible.

@Maladjester

11 ай бұрын

I was never a believer but the Wholly Babble is hands-down the worst thing I've ever read. It's awful on every conceivable level.

@JaceDeanLove

9 ай бұрын

​@@MaladjesterI think it's an excellent read as a work of literature but nothing more

@peterschmeier3423

9 ай бұрын

I think it's the most complete compilation of text depicting mankinds way towards the first civilisations and how the people perceived it back then. There is incredible much value in it, so much to learn for those who are able to read the stories in the context of time, even without religious affilation. Sadly this does not apply to the majority of readers who rather interpret the weirdest things to fit their biases without having any relevance.

@fruitZzed

8 ай бұрын

​@@JaceDeanLoveWord of God, you wont understand it unless youre truly faithful

@JaceDeanLove

8 ай бұрын

@@fruitZzed how can I be truly faithful if I don't understand it?

Doing some trolling with that thumbnail, I see! 😄

@PhantomBanker

11 ай бұрын

Check out the globes on that girl!

That thumbnail made me literally lol. Well done. Your blend of silly and smart is, as always, perfection. 😂❤

Emma, I don’t know if I’m ever going to stop laughing about this videos thumbnail. Thank you for your sense of humor.

@DrachenGothik666

10 ай бұрын

I unironically love that image, & I'm a gay man. It's just heckin' _CUTE._

For the four corners of the Earth, once again in French I've heard "I've travelled to the four corners of the globe". That's a thing that is quite hard to achieve, but it's like every expression, when british people say that "It's raining cats and dogs !", you shouldn't imagine a rain of cats and dogs ^^

@mattm8870

11 ай бұрын

The thing is according to the Concordances the word translated as corners also means wing, covering and extremity so a more correct translation IMO is the the four extremes of the earth given that it the bible also talks about the earth being a circle.

@ShintogaDeathAngel

21 күн бұрын

True that you should take it as more of a metaphor, but animals raining from the sky isn’t unheard of. Mostly Iit seems to be small animals like amphibians, however.

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@TheRealBrotherGrimmy

11 ай бұрын

How is this from 2 days ago if it premiered today..?

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

Because I uploaded it two days ago...@@TheRealBrotherGrimmy

@caribbeanman3379

11 ай бұрын

But Emma, your example of us saying "the sun rises" actually _refutes_ your phenomenological argument. _Today_ we know the sun doesn't rise. But that saying didn't develop today! That saying developed centuries ago when it was believed that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun literally moved around it! The same is true of other sayings like the four corners of the earth. These were originally based on flawed literal understandings. But the the idioms remain today despite our knowledge to the contrary. They are linguistic relics that point to the flawed beliefs of the past. Another example: Malaria, which gets it name from the original flawed belief that the disease was cause by bad air (Mal aria, from Latin or Spanish). I think you're making the mistake of projecting our current _metaphorical_ usage of these idioms unto the ancient originators of them who used them literally. Emma, I find it odd that you would rely on the claims of a religious source like Grace Communion International. Doesn't it seem rather obvious to you that religious sources - including Bible scholars in their employ - have a vested interest in denying that the Bible teaches a flat earth? Shouldn't you instead be looking purely at the language of the text and at the ancient near east cosmology of the time exhibited by surrounding nations? Much of what you argue is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the Bible implicitly teaches that the earth is flat. All that stuff about what people believed in the middle ages has no relevance as that's centuries _after_ the completion of the Bible. I don't deny that there was widespread ancient knowledge that the Earth is a sphere. I only deny that the Bible teaches that. Higher education was not very prevalent in the ancient world of the Bible as it is today. While knowledgeable persons believed the Earth to be round, you cannot extrapolate from that that the masses all agreed on this. I imagine that belief in a flat earth was widespread back in Bible times among persons not versed in the cutting edge philosophy and science of the day - much like there are large segments of Earth's population today who still believe in creationism and deny evolution. So pointing to ancient sources that believed the earth to be round doesn't automatically mean the Bible writers agreed with that educated view.

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm darn you for making a really good point@@caribbeanman3379

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

I mean okay, but I wanted to talk about the myth that medieval people believed the earth was flat so I did. And I think the historical evidence is more valuable than what "you imagine" lol@@caribbeanman3379

You used the two globes of your reaction video for the thumbnail!!!! I'm dying lol. Great video, Emma! :-)

@fepeerreview3150

11 ай бұрын

Yes! That thumbnail was hilarious.

As a kid sometimes I would look at a globe after reading the Bible. My dad got mad when I had a glass globe in my hand and I asked him where are the corners.

@cdogthehedgehog6923

11 ай бұрын

Then everyone clapped

@dazstudio68

11 ай бұрын

Celestial navigation assumes Earth and sky are FLAT. The Bible accurately describes Earth as a flat. stationary and enclosed system☺

@renatocorvaro6924

11 ай бұрын

​@@dazstudio68 I truly cannot tell if you ardently believe this or if this is parody. That's where we're at.

@AltonV

11 ай бұрын

@@dazstudio68 then why are sight reduction tables needed if the earth is flat?

@dazstudio68

11 ай бұрын

@@AltonV For refraction and height of eye. Nothing to do with a globe Earth

"The devil and Jesus take a hiking trip together" This is the fanfic the world needs. PS: I'm assuming it was a mis-speak or typo, but Pliny the Elder wasn't an emperor... though he was buds with Emperor Vespasian...

@DaveLH

2 ай бұрын

I don't know about Jesus per se, but the Devil and God taking a hiking trip together is essentially the premise of Peter Ustinov's novel, _The Old Man and Mr. Smith_.

I expected some discussion on the bible mentioning the foundations/pillars of the earth. The mentions of foundations, a dome above, and a stationary earth combined seem to indicate those early writers perceived the earth as flat, or I can see how flat earthers would interpret it that way.

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

I considered the foundations part of the 'immovable, fixed' section but maybe I should have had that as it's own part!

@NovaSaber

11 ай бұрын

The Old Testament was written by people who thought the flat (much of it after at least the Greeks knew better), and contains parts that show that assumption. But it was not written with the intent to make a case for it being flat.

@caribbeanman3379

11 ай бұрын

@@EmmaThorneVideosYou have to look at the cosmology of surrounding nations at the time the Bible was written. Did they depict it as a flat disk with a hemispheric dome over the top? Yes. Does the Bible's descriptions of the earth refute or corroborate their view? It corroborates it!

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

Yes... I said that in this video, the first thing. Literally said the reason Genesis says the earth has a firmament is because that was what people believed at the time. Why are you trying so hard to argue with me lol?@@caribbeanman3379

@ccspod2070

11 ай бұрын

😂 ❤ Emma!!

If the Earth was flat, cats would have knocked everything off!

Emma is the first person to pronounce anti-podes correctly. Flat earthers and debunkers never say an•tip•uh•dez

@martinkent333

11 ай бұрын

The Holy Bible has talking animals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that adorable?

@barrystrickland174

11 ай бұрын

And of course the pronunciation is only correct if followed by "nuts"

@Rig0r_M0rtis

11 ай бұрын

@@barrystrickland174 The stupidest joke ever but still cracks me up every time.

@user-bs9wq1lk4o

11 ай бұрын

logically you couldn't say this because you would not have a frame of reference , so my contention is you are overly exaggerating the chronological ordinality of the utterance , basically the first person to say an-tipo-des in the proper way was Crocodile Dundee aka Paul Hogan

@seanryan3020

11 ай бұрын

​@@barrystrickland174 "Antipo-deez nutz!" 🤣

Lovely and entertaining as always; more puppets = more joy. Just two notes about Pliny the Elder - he wasn't an Emperor (he *was* buddies with Emperor Vespasian, though), but he did have what may be the most hilarious recorded last words in history: "Fortune favors the bold!" which he said right before visiting Pompeii during the eruption of Vesuvius and subsequently dying because OF COURSE HE DID.

@williamchamberlain2263

11 ай бұрын

Stuck to his guns even before guns were invented

I've seen R34 art of Earth-chan. She is not flat.

Live in California, the earth is not immovable, and sometimes does move a few inches without me.

@Sableagle

11 ай бұрын

Have you seen Iceland? The earth comes up so fast it sprays 50 m into the air, and it _glows._ Not only is Iceland freaky like that but it's _growing._

I'm sure someone else already pointed this out, but neither the younger or elder Pliny was a Roman emperor, they were just Roman dudes.

@pearcat08

11 ай бұрын

The fact that this kind of basic error was made makes me worry for the accuracy of the rest of the video.

@extravagantpanda7962

11 ай бұрын

@@pearcat08 That's fair, but Emma is always very quick to acknowledge when she's made a mistake. And this particular detail being wrong is completely irrelevant to her main argument.

Man, the whole "space is an ocean" thing is one of my favorite analogies. Especially since you can draw parallels to terrestrial ocean lore, and go down some cool rabbit trails. Also, because _Treasure Planet_ was my childhood.

@joannecunliffe8067

11 ай бұрын

I ♥ Treasure Planet too and John Rzeznik's "I'm still here" (I can never spell his name without looking it up...). I love the way it mixes beautiful storybook nonsense (like the ship for instance) with fairly a realistic interpretation (for a children's cartoon) of what black holes are like. Think of the Queen song '39 talking about "sailed across the milky seas" and as Brian May himself said, it's about special relativity and time dilation (well he is an astrophysicist). It's a metaphor, innit! I love the metaphor of the ocean of space. As a *sad* SciFi addict and a Babylon 5 fan, the Mimbari people (in that story) talk about "Going to the sea" (setting out into space never to come back).

@jackspringheel9963

11 ай бұрын

Well obviously space is an ocean. That's why we have spaceships and not spacetrucks or space cars.

@wizardsuth

11 ай бұрын

Captain Dathan uses the same analogy in the Star Trek TNG episode _Darmok_ . As the episode is largely about ancient myths and storytelling this may have been a deliberate reference to that analogy in the bible. Kirk also refers to Earth as an island in the episode _All Our Yesterdays_ .

@belothor1376

11 ай бұрын

@@jackspringheel9963 I fucking love you man. :_)

@DaveLH

2 ай бұрын

And of course Carl Sagan referred to space as "The Cosmic Ocean."

Jesus and Satan on a hiking trip seems like a romcom waiting to happen.

Frankly the "water above" and four "corners of the earth" can be interpreted as being literal, and thus wrong. "For corners" can also be interpreted as "four directions". I am not sure they did not know about the compass in Israel at the time of the writing of the bible even though it was invented by the Chinese ~200 BC.

@kmo9790

11 ай бұрын

They still had sunrise and sunset plus 'north' and 'south' so I don't think knowledge of the compass is necessary for that second interpretation.

@franck3279

11 ай бұрын

To be honest, even with a good basis in physics, knowing that the bottom of low altitude clouds is often flat and even seems weird, as if there really was an invisible barier.

@theboombody

11 ай бұрын

Eratosthenes already computed the circumference of the Earth somewhere around that 200 BC time. So a lot of people had some idea that the earth was round at that point. Most, if not all of the Old Testament goes back between the years 1500 BC to 500 BC.

@KGH3000

11 ай бұрын

The four cardinal directions come from the rotation of the earth, not its magnetic field. The magnetic field is used to determine direction because it closely corresponds. So compasses have nothing to do with it.

@Maladjester

11 ай бұрын

If we're supposed to literally believe Sky Daddy poofed the world into existence, we are certainly supposed to literally believe there's a crystal dome full of water over our heads or whatever the frig it's supposed to be.

Bible authors, writing by candlelight, would be amazed how far humans have come - to be interpreting their work all these years later, but on illuminated liquid crystal displays.

There's another good reference to try to figure out what the thinking was and that's the Book of Enoch. It's straight up quoted a couple of times in the New Testament and seems to be referenced a good many more times than that. It also seems to have been an important book in the early church and was found with the Dead Sea scrolls. It's explicitly flat earth, just like the rest of the ancient near east. Another thing to think about is that it is indeed quite true that it was known in ancient Greece and Rome that the Earth is a sphere, but that doesn't mean everybody accepted (or even knew) that, especially religious traditions (like Judaism) with roots to a time before we figured that out. Another point I would mention about the Isaiah reference for the circle of the Earth (Isaiah 40:22). The word there is indeed properly translated circle. But what's telling is that ancient Hebrew HAD a word for ball. It's actually used in the Old Testament itself. So, not a slam dunk, but sort of fishy that the text uses the wrong word when they had a much better one. What all this does though is shatter the illusion that the Bible is inerrant, especially if read literally. It's OK that a literal reading of the Bible might very well have it saying the Earth is flat. Just accept that the Bible isn't literally 100% true, actually does have errors, and it's fine. If you want to pick and choose the good parts and use that for morality and a guide for your life, great. Just admit that you are doing just that. But don't read it like it's one unified, inerrant text meant to be read literally and practically written by God himself. Lots of Christian denominations do that and it's really a major part of why they can't agree on just about anything. Sort of the poster child for that is the Arminianism vs Calvinism debate that fundamentalist churches argue endlessly about. You can pick and choose verses to suit either position then wiggle your way around the other. That's what you have to do if you think the Bible is meant to be a unified, literal whole.

​Well, that thumbnail is very creative.

@Duskbound

11 ай бұрын

@@TheCassandra Hey man, it's totally cool to appreciate someone's oblate spheroids without being a creepy!

@darkone292

11 ай бұрын

You guys are so disrespectful 😡 Creepers

@Eidelmania

11 ай бұрын

Globoobs

@Duskbound

11 ай бұрын

@@TheCassandra That will always be one of my favorite science stories.

@JaceDeanLove

9 ай бұрын

​@@darkone292Emma literally liked the comment. It's okay

....I might not be able to turn water into wine, but I can turn it into pee.

@HungryWarden

9 күн бұрын

Jesus had a condition that causes him to pee wine.

A "discussion" I had on Quora quite recently raised a few interesting things, they were adamant that because the bible used the word circle, they must have known the shape of the earth. Now you mentioned that a sphere would look like a circle as viewed from above, but the problem with that, is so would a disc. So we can't take that as conclusive. But one thing that always gets missed from the circle question, is the tent/curtain/cloth, in fact, people who insist the bible knew about the globe, seem to actively avoid talking about it. Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. It's a small thing, but stretches out, not stretches around, and yes this could all be poetic again, the sky is after all, above upside down Australia too... but the imagery of a tent, speaks more of something that is only above, rather than something that wraps around. Nothing conclusive of course, but when you think of a circle with something stretched out above it, it does seem more in line with a flat disc, than a globe. The other thing of note, which I had never encountered before, was this fellow insisted that in at least one instance the mention of the Earth never moving, was actually meaning the ground, the fertile land that people dwell upon, it was that which is perfectly stationary and unmovable, so that can still be true and the world can keep turning, and see see, the bible does know its science after all. So of course, when I mentioned plate tectonics, continental drift, and earthquakes (earthquakes even feature in the bible) naturally I was called a troll and blocked. Hey ho.

@fepeerreview3150

11 ай бұрын

I have a notion that many ancient cultures, those who didn't engage in lengthy travel over open water, had no real concern or curiosity as to the size and shape of the entire Earth, and so would rather just be describing their own local experiences. The only reason for a concern about its size and shape is if you want to engage in sea travel. Then you need a way to navigate without reference to landmarks. A person could navigate from Egypt to Mesopotamia just by following landmarks and never give a thought to the significance of the paths of the stars in the sky. But as soon as you want to travel by sea across the Mediterranean, without following coastlines, you suddenly need to find ways to navigate by Sun and stars. Thus the difference between ancient Egyptian and Greek cosmologies.

@violetsonja5938

11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the goal of a nuanced opinion in this video, but I think you have a point as well. When she mentions the dream, I always dream of the world being round when it comes up. I imagine the dream and the way that the world appearing flat is not described as so strange are indicators here. Finally, it is important to not fall into the trap that many literalists and skeptics fall into. Treating the Bible as a singular book. Its a collection by many authors. Its not that strange to think some may have thought the world was flat and some didn't. If you had multiple Christians today picked at random write, you would have a nonzero chance of getting a flat earther. Parts that seem to indicate a round Earth may simply reflect changing ideas and exposure to new ways of thinking about the world. for anyone not getting my point: Imagine if you tried to complete a collection of sci-fi texts with people living five hundred years before you and five hundred after you and try to keep it all consistent.

I just want to thank you for having and considering such a nuanced perspective on the Bible. Neither extreme of that debate really wants to do that, so seeing you consider historical context, poetry and such and analyzing the Bible with these in mind is a welcomed change.

I still find it mind boggling that people actually, sincerely believe the earth is flat. If someone had said that when I was a kid, they’d have either been laughed at or asked if they’d hit their head. Is there some environmental pollution making us stupider, or what?

I'm glad Emma started showing up in my recommended videos after guest hosting in SciManDan videos :)

I am also not Jesus Christ, but I have played him several times on stage. I did the miracle you did last week casually during an interview segment whilst Jesus was on a book tour. It's lovely to hear a laugh spread slowly through the audience. And I will also say, nicely done.

Pluto will always be a planet in my heart

@DavidSmith-vr1nb

11 ай бұрын

I used to feel that way, but there are too many problems for it to still be classified with the other 8. At least it gets to be the defining object for Plutinos.

@DaveLH

2 ай бұрын

Pluto is not a "major" planet, but it IS a dwarf planet. So therefore in my mind still a planet, just not one of the eight primary ones. It makes no sense for dwarf stars to be still considered stars but dwarf planets not considered planets.

I admire how brave you are in stating all of your viewpoints and holding firm on them and you truly don't care what other people think. I wish I could be like that. You are in example for all young women.

'It wasn't written for us in the year 2023.', Emma Thorne. I love this quote! And it is sooo true. In areas where you have a lot of light polution, one can hardly see what can be seen without the polution. With that I mean thousands of stars. If that is what you saw in ancient times without the light polution and not know what they were, one could easily call it a firmament. (In some ancient egyptian buildings the ceiling is filled with painted stars. ) And the earth the place where all that we know would live as a "closed" space. The waters above can easily be called that way because rain was water and it had to come from somewhere, not knowing what clouds do or how they get formed, it is easily explained by assuming there is water up there of which clouds might be a product of... The sky looks blue, water is blue... History is all about finding out what life was for the person at a certain time at a certain place. You can't hope to understand it without trying to put yourself in their shoes.

May I suggest new line of Emma merch: "Fucking squashy circle, innit"

I love how you laid this all out, so reasonable, thank you. I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness and they used scripture to prove the bible was scientific. Isaiah 40:22, ‘There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth’”... But this argument confused me when the bible also talks about corners of the Earth, and when I met a flat-Earther I also got confused. So thanks!

@paultimson6674

11 ай бұрын

four corners of the earth is a artistic expression. Jesus is the door. Do they mean he's a paneled door? The beast in revelation? has seven heads and ten horns? do you imagine its a chimera? some animal? a beast is an empire. a group of armies. Alexander was a leopard. because he swiftly covered the land. invading the world in three years. His empire was a leopard. England today is a lion. Russia is a bear. China a dragon. its a way of using imagery as shorthand. what group today has seven heads? and ten horns? the United nations has 200 horns, nations. and so that is ruled out. the European Union has 27 nations? not a contender. Rome has seven hills? neither heads or horns. only one group looks good? the G7 nations. it owns 52 percent of world wealth, This is the last empire to rule the world. why is it seven and also ten? surely its seven and seven? seven world leaders ruling seven nations? but there is one unusual country? Britain. it's not one country, its four. so the prime minister rules four nations. Scotland tried to go independent? 52-48. and it failed. it cannot sheer off? it is needed for the end times. with Britain in the mix. seven becomes ten. its a lovely puzzle. a thing of beauty. Out of the sea comes the beast.. the logo of the G7 is blue waves? why? are they a nautical group? a navy? why have they got waves? the joke is on all atheists. the bible is poetry and fact. every letter is counted. each letter has a numerical value. each hebrew letter also has an independent meaning. as a casual reader, you never see it? all you read is the surface. The Jehovah witnesses , Charles Taze Russell, was founded by freemasonry. satanism. they also invented Mormonism, Scientology and evolution theory. They are all opposed to Christ, who is God. Christ is not God to anyone in Jehovah Witnesses. The name of God is YHWH, not Jehovah? that is a new invention. I see no mention of Jehovah in any bible pre 1700. flat earth - look up Globus cruciger. if you happened to see any king crowned? like Charles? then you spot the crown jewels? and an orb with a cross on it. this is a symbol that christ rules the world? not quite yet? satan has to first go. But this ornament is seen on coins dating to the 4th century, CONSTANTINE the emperor holds a globus cruciger on his coins. So they knew the world was a globe at the time of Constantine. They knew for thousands of years. Beta the greek mathematician measured the globe. No one thought the earth was flat. the author of sleepy hollow Washington Irving was writing a book about Columbus. and in his snide way? He insulted the Spanish court. Columbus was arguing for a new route? and he was delayed a decade. he met with several committees. and Irving compared the catholics ignorance. To Flat earth. He made up a story about sailors thinking they would go over an edge. Irving an american author was highly regarded. Rip van winkle? and other tales. this was taught in schools and people liked this weird notion. It's the point of departure from the TRUTH. This is a known FACT in literature classes. But if you are a specialist. If you take physics? or some other subjects. you are not aware that Washington Irving caused all this? He created an URBAN MYTH. and its caught fire. the guy is a proper K'UNT. if you like art... go look up the painting the ambassadors, 16th century. its a fabulous painting. I'm a painter. i look at art, museums and so on. there are statues holding globes. there is masses of evidence showing GLOBES. we are talking artifacts dating from thousands of years ago. No one believed the earth was flat? until that twit started a fire. Sleepy Hollow FFS? headless horseman and Columbus? The history of the world by JK Rowling? thats next?

I watch a lot of anti-flerf content, and it feels to me that a lot them just believe it's flat because to say otherwise is to disprove the Bible, therefore disproving God, therefore disproving how God says that they are special and significant. They REALLY hate even the mere concept that they might be just one out of eight billion in a world that's just spinning on in the vast universe. No no, they have to believe that they're special and loved.

Thanks for making this video! It comes at a serendipitous time for me as I'm dealing with issues related to promoting skepticism and critical thinking in a political community online that I am a part of. I think probably the most interesting thing I've learned which your thoughts have helped put into perspective is that critical thinking, when applied consistently, is almost equally unwelcome in every community of like-minded people. This problem is especially prevalent online where you get to choose your neighbors. If you (the generic you, not you in particular) point out to your online pals "hey, this sounds great but isn't well-supported by evidence and as such is a conspiracy theory we should treat with suspicion", the most likely result is that you get roasted by the community for contradicting a narrative they emotionally invested in while they were reading it, and now the rest of the community decides to pile on because they're all emotionally supporting each other by confronting the dissenting point of view. It's disappointing but not surprising. So, I'd say that if there was one thing I want to take away from this whole episode, it's that communities of like-minded people almost always think of themselves as sane and rational especially when compared to their ideological opponents, there is always going to be a significant portion of the community that is just as susceptible to manipulation and group-think as everyone else. Self-deception is so dangerous because so many seem to think they're immune to it, and are therefore unaware of it. Thanks for your continuing excellent content supporting critical thinking and for happening to post this video at a time that helped me put my own thoughts into context!

That was indeed the correct use of "multitudinous". Good job, Emma.

Emma, I truly admire your willingness to engage with foolish notions put out by people such as flat-earthers and the like. I've been an atheist since I was 13 and a secular humanist since I was 20, and spent decades arguing with these people. I eventually decided it was, for me at least, a colossal waste of time and energy trying to talk people out of what are essentially cults and devoted my time to more pleasant endeavors. That said, it heartens me to see younger people take up and mantle of rationality and keep up the struggle. You do a great job of it.

@dazstudio68

11 ай бұрын

Yes, Christians should have more self respect than to speak to fools that claim "There is no God" 😃😃😃

@mickfromleitrim

11 ай бұрын

Oh dear me...

@paultimson6674

11 ай бұрын

look up Globus cruciger. if you happened to see any king crowned? like Charles? then you spot the crown jewels? and an orb with a cross on it. this is a symbol that christ rules the world? not quite yet? satan has to first go. But this ornament is seen on coins dating to the 4th century, CONSTANTINE the emperor holds a globus cruciger on his coins. So they knew the world was a globe at the time of Constantine. They knew for thousands of years. Beta the greek mathematician measured the globe. No one thought the earth was flat. the author of sleepy hollow Washington Irving was writing a book about Columbus. and in his snide way? He insulted the Spanish court. Columbus was arguing for a new route? and he was delayed a decade. he met with several committees. and Irving compared the catholics ignorance. To Flat earth. He made up a story about sailors thinking they would go over an edge. Irving an american author was highly regarded. Rip van winkle? and other tales. this was taught in schools and people liked this weird notion. It's the point of departure from the TRUTH. This is a known FACT in literature classes. But if you are a specialist. If you take physics? or some other subjects. you are not aware that Washington Irving caused all this? He created an URBAN MYTH. and its caught fire. the guy is a proper K'UNT. if you like art... go look up the painting the ambassadors, 16th century. its a fabulous painting. I'm a painter. i look at art, museums and so on. there are statues holding globes. there is masses of evidence showing GLOBES. we are talking artifacts dating from thousands of years ago. No one believed the earth was flat? until that twit started a fire. Sleepy Hollow FFS? headless horseman and Columbus? The history of the world by JK Rowling? thats next?

@dazstudio68

11 ай бұрын

@@mickfromleitrim Not to mention those that think we live on a spinning spaceball😆😆😆

@leftpastsaturn67

11 ай бұрын

@@dazstudio68 Nobody thinks we 'live on a spinning spaceball'. That's as infantile as using all those emojis to try to make your 'point'.

Eratosthenes did a reasonably good job measuring Earth's circumference already in 240 BCE. Of course the Genesis creation stories were invented before this, but I would imagine that some of the makers of the newest Bible stories already knew Earth is round. Not that they would have been the kind of people who care about such things. They thought turning water into wine was a miracle.

Emma, your content is truly enjoyable. Keep up the amazing work! :D

I'm too tired to have an intelligent comment so I am just going to mention that it's nice to listen to you speak.

I really love your videos. It's not just because you speak truth coming from a rational and critical thinking perspective. Although that is a tremendously great thing. You consistently present information in a really entertaining way. All of your videos are eminently watchable no matter how dry the subject material might be. You inject a lot of fun and life into anything you are speaking about. The thumbnail for this video is an absolutely perfect example of that. Also the "Antipodes nutz" quote. You have a way of delivering this type of awful bro humor in a self-aware ironic fashion that is utterly charming. You have a truly great sense of humor.

Well, in France, we use the expression ’at the 4 corners of the hexagon’, on purpose.

Cool stuff! Great to hear one of my classmates from school was successful on KZread! Very pleased for you 😊

Hello Emma! A new one here! Just discovered your video, and I like them! Little by little I will wacht them all! A little curiosity: in the medieval age, the educated people (monks, priest, scientist, king and so on) actualy knew that the Earth was a globe. There is a paper, dated 1200, Tractatus de Sphaera (speaking about the sphere) in which the autor describe the Earth ad a sphere, and this paper was in all the university and college at that time. Medieval age was much more brigher than we think 😊 [EDIT]: when I wrote this comment I had seen only the first minutes. I was wrong. I really appreciate your in-depth analysis about Middle Ages

Thankyou for correcting an incorrect thought in my head about what the church used to believe, very interesting stuff. Would absolutely be here for a video on Galileo and the church!!

X-ian literalist translation - yeah, I'd rather not trust science proven by millions of people, because a book translated dozens of times over thousands of years written by people who couldn't explain ANYTHING scientific has been made to say something else. (edit) - also, cheeky thumbnail. 😉

@franck3279

11 ай бұрын

Even more when the only meaning we know of the original text sometimes comes from the translation.

My religion teacher in high school took a very logical veiw of the Bible and talked about how the global flood could have been something like a local flood and a herder made a boat to try and save their animals and then story changed over time until it was written in the Bible

@McUallas

8 ай бұрын

Only slight problem is, the whole flood story is plagiarized from the Gilgamesh Epic. Like the whole return from death was taken from Egyptian mythology.

22:37 was the first time I heard you bring up your annoyance with the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. I literally cheered, scaring my cats! Friends & family all kept asking me why I never saw the movie, or why I don't want to see. "First, I know more about Queen & Freddie than I'll get from a movie. Second, just seeing the trailers told me that there would be inaccuracies. Finally, reading the reviews, there were a lot more than I can possibly forgive."

As a former Catholic, if you like this comment, you'll be a more believable Jesus than I was raised to believe in. He literally never interacted with me. So it's a really low bar, admittedly.

Love the thumbnail! Always been a large globe person! One of the big reasons I could never get behind the flat earth thing.😉

@teuast

11 ай бұрын

explains what men seem to like about circumnavigating the globe, huh?

I used to joke that flat earthers were bible based, then I was shocked to find out it was true. Most people truly are drones.

@lyokianhitchhiker

11 ай бұрын

In all fairness, I was always under the impression the flat earth wasn’t in the Bible itself or actually cemented as a belief in the time periods we associate accepted belief in it with

I really took Emma's metaphor about the sun "rising" to heart. And also, look what I just did! I "took something to heart" even tho we know the heart is that thing what pumps blood. It's not something you "take" things "to". It's the 21:th century!

Columbus based his argument on the belief that the earth was smaller than the general consensus agree. I was first alerted of this in the novel "Pastwatch" by Orson Scott Card, and it seems he did hid research. Plus, it's a smashingly fun read despite Card's effort to "redeem" Columbus.

@solomonverrico

11 ай бұрын

Card's efforts to murder all the LGBTQ people kinda also hurts that...

@annaairahala9462

11 ай бұрын

Yes, Columbus wasn't denied multiple times because people thought the world was flat and he thought it was round, instead he just did some bad math and was absolutely convinced he was right despite everyone telling him he was wrong. It's basically the historical version of someone "doing their own research" by just doing a quick google search and looking for things to agree with their view. He ended up being lucky, because if they didn't discover land, if just the sizes of the pacific and atlantic were swapped, he and his entire crew would have died with no one even knowing about him.

@mattm8870

11 ай бұрын

@@annaairahala9462 yep he was lucky that the Americas existed for him to bump into on his westward trip to Asia.

@almcdermid9669

11 ай бұрын

@@annaairahala9462 History's luckiest dumbass, 100%

@almcdermid9669

11 ай бұрын

@@mattm8870 And as a character in Pastwatch noted, think of what would have happened had he reached Japan.

Came for some hardcore globe action, stayed for the debunking of flerfs via hardcore biblical scholarship.

Pretty sure the Bible supports an Iron Age understanding of the universe, provided you ignore all of the magic.

@lucofparis4819

11 ай бұрын

Why would you ignore all the magic? It's an integral part of the Iron Age understanding, and I don't mean it in a dismissive way: magic was genuinely a part of the general worldviews during the Iron Age.

@soyevquirsefron990

11 ай бұрын

I went to Catholic Church and school for kindergarten and first grade and CCD, and they mentioned the firmament but nobody ever told me what it was. At age 7, I figured that it meant the land, like god divides the firm solid land from the water and nobody corrected me.

@kallisto9166

11 ай бұрын

The Iron Age bits do, more or less. The Bronze Age sections however describe - spoiler alert - a Bronze Age understanding and that includes a flat earth. They had no concept of the Earth as we know it back then and the authors of, for instance, Genesis wrote accordingly.

@lucofparis4819

11 ай бұрын

@@kallisto9166 It's worse than that. Not only do basically all Bronze Age civilizations were stuck with Flat Earth cosmologies, but the same applies to both Iron Age and Early Medieval South-East Asia, whereas East Asia, especially China, got stuck with Flat Earth cosmologies all the way through both Antiquity and the Middle Ages, finally abandoning the Flat Earth only after exposure to Europan Astronomy, via Jesuit missionaries during the 17th century. Considering the demographic power houses that are and were China and India, it seems either a), the Flat Earth "model" stuck for way too long than it should have for the majority of humans or b), that Mediterraneans and by extension both Mesopotamians and Europeans, were a statistical fluke that found themselves gifted with just enough mathematical rigorist freaks to pull themselves out of their Flat Earth misery.

Being a sight-seer, i'd like to roam those globes.

Your opening reminded me of some experiences from my past. I went to college in a very evangelical area and several times when i would be alone, usually just waiting for something, I would be approached with the opening, hey are you ok?. I would say I'm good but they would start working towards THE question which was something along the lines of do you know a certain character from a special book. It was always obvious what they were doing especially after the first time. After trying politely for as long as I could manage to get them to leave me alone and I was annoyed I would just turn and say to them I am actually the guy you are talking about. For some reason this would make them mad at which point I would say that's why I don't tell anyone cause you will just nail me to a tree again. I think the point of all this is pretty obvious but lately when I think about it I really am amazed at how quickly they all rejected me and ran away, I think there might be a lesson in that interaction somewhere, other than when a stranger tells you to leave you alone you are supposed to lesson. As a side note to anyone who might still be reading, in order to get a family member to finally stop I just flat at told them if I show up at these magical gates of theirs I will give an unfriendly salute and a request to be sent to the other place. This person apparently heard me mutter the words alpha and omega while waking up from a coma and hallucinating, they thought this meant I was saved. I tried to explain I was having an insane nightmare/hallucinating over and over about experiencing time from beginning to end over and over because I was supposed to change something to save the world and kept failing. I wonder what a religious person would attribute those hallucinations to?

One quick correction: saying that "men share ancestors with apes" is... imprecise. Men, as in Homo Sapiens, are apes. Obviously that means that we do share ancestors with OTHER apes, but it is an important distinction. Also, we should stamp out the belief that we are somehow special - we have unique traits, but so do many other species. And any form of perceived superiority can lead to some pretty horrible things, so let's avoid that. Sorry, it's somewhat of a pet peeve of mine. By the way, great video, Jesus :D

It's also been suggested that the phrase "The Corners of the Earth" references the fact that maps of "The Earth" (or, as much of the earth of which people of the time were aware) were rendered on two-dimensional surfaces (like paper or parchment, for example). Hence, the four corners of the earth referring to the four corners of the map, the furthest extents of the world of which people of the era were cognizant.

@cyanmage1

11 ай бұрын

this is what I always assumed since I was a kid never really felt the need to dig deeper then that

@mattm8870

11 ай бұрын

yep the 4 extremes of the known world.

What an intelligent young woman. May you never lose your desire to both enlighten, and entertain the rest of us. You are so wise beyond your years.

As an 8 year old, I sat in school assembly and thought "God doesn't make sense" As a teenager, I thought that I ought to re-explore my opinions and read the bible. Nope. Didn't make it through Genesis. Terrible. Still didn't make sense. Stayed an atheist.

The Bible itself says repeatedly not to read it too literally, so - somewhat ironically - you’ve got firm Biblical support for arguing against literalist readings.

@niceguy191

11 ай бұрын

I actually believe the only parts that applies to are the parts about not taking it too literally

Entertaining and educational like always Emma! Great job.

A wonderful treatise on the subject. Interpretation of passages is not an easy thing, when a book is so old, and you are unsure of what phrases may mean. I was a bit confused as to what cut off from the people meant as a punishment, and explanations seem to state it’s either being exiled or killed. Which is a pretty big difference. But I like how you show that you have to put yourself into the position of the people living at the time. And the whole explaining things to people that do not have the same level of understanding as yourself.

Please note that various advisors to the Spanish king and queen of the day *did* consider Columbus's proposal impractical, and advised against it. Their objection was based on an assumption that Eratosthenes' 252,000 stadia was correct, and that a stadion was ~160 metres (in modern units; the Spaniards obviously used the units in common use in that time and place). Hence, they argued, that Columbus was right *in principle* that a ship sailing West would eventually make it to Asia, they held that no ship then in existence could carry sufficient provisions to make that long a journey. Columbus assumed that a stadion was only ~120 metres, and with that assumption, the voyage became sort of possible, albeit quite risky. Welcome to the pitfalls of trying to make sense of (proto-)scientific, or even just everyday texts from a previous age. Just because a unit has the same name as a modern(ish) "foot" does not mean it is 0.3048mm long.

I would love to watch a Bergman-style sorta cheeky film centered around Jesus and the devil hiking up a mountain. Nascent film majors, please make that happen

Hi Emma, I've given you some pushback on the Biblical flat earth video so I want to be sure and send you a super thanks because you're awesome and I love your videos and you should keep doing them. Cheers!

@EmmaThorneVideos

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

The Bible doesn’t teach that the earth is flat, but it does teach that the world is a divine landmark where god put all of the life in the universe on. Honestly the latter is even more ridiculous to me 😂

I mostly disagree, for much of it's founding history it was considered flat (firmament) as was common for ancient Mesopotamian cosmology. Pythagoras first proposed it was round in 500bce with no evidence just on aesthetics. And the first to make arguments base on evidence was Aristotle ~350bce. Meaning that much of the Hebrew bible was canonized already before this, and would only start being adjusted going forward in the bible. Eratosthenes was one of the foremost scholars of his time and was first to measure the circumference of the earth ~240bce, around the time of the Septuagint's translations 250-200bce. The other thing to remember is that knowledge didn't spread as fast as it does now, so it could be known amongst the Greeks but take time to disseminate to other places. By the time you get to the new testament it was likely more common knowledge, but more likely mainly among scholars only like Pliny the Elder in 77. Something like evolution is today, so not accepted by large groups of people even though it is true. By about 300 it was likely common knowledge but now it is in contention with the bible, causing them to have to reinterpret their scriptures interpretations or become literalists. The four corners is referring to the cardinal directions on a map, based on where the sun rises and sets.

Nice countdown background🏳️‍🌈🥰🏳️‍🌈 (And here we go…..) Seriously, you have to really read something into the Bible to get it flat. I remember someone using the ‘4 corners’ LITERALLY😢.. Anyways, thank you again… excellent video🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🥰🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

@DocReasonable

11 ай бұрын

"The earth takes shape like clay under a seal' Job 38 14. Clay seals are flat...

@kallisto9166

11 ай бұрын

You don't have to "read" anything in to Genesis to get a "Flat Earth" interpretation because it's right there in the text; the pillars of the earth, the firmament, the windows in the firmament that let in the waters above, the fountains of the deep that can let in the waters below... All this is standard Ancient Near East cosmology, ie, a flat plain encompassed by a dome and surrounded above and below by a primordial ocean, in other words, a flat earth. It is however, important to note that the Bible at no point shows the slightest interest in describing what the cosmos looks like. It only mentions it in passing. Thus, we are left to extrapolate the Biblical cosmos form what it does say and what it says is wholly compatible with what a modern person would call a flat earth. The authors of Genesis had no concept of "The Earth" as we know it now. They only had the same understanding as the rest of the world at that time; essentially a flat earth. The later books do not share this primitive view and can reasonably be interpreted as poetic license. The Book of Genesis though? Flat earth, all the way. If not, I have to ask; what evidence do you have that they had any understanding of the Earth as it actually is? Or an understanding of the cosmos that in any significant way deviates from the flat earth cosmos that was standard at the time of writing? Because if you can't demonstrate that, I'm going to go ahead and assume that they Genesis authors understood the cosmos much as the rest of the world did at the time, ie, a flat earth. The Egyptians did indeed believe in a literal flat earth with literal corners; to them, the earth was rectangular. Can you show anything that contradicts this kind of model? If you can, you will be the first person to do so. The Bible doesn't "teach" a flat earth only because it has no interest in doing so. Otherwise, the earth it describes in passing is unmistakably flat.

My pet pieve is the talk of ‘old’ Abram being unable to have children due to his age. He’s 90-ish when God promises him a son. I counted a bit: Abram (later Abraham) is the 7great-grandson of Shem, Noah’s eldest son. Shem got his first son two years after exiting the ark, and lived for 500 more years. Each generation downwards lives shorter and shorter, but every member of Abram’s direct lineage is still alive when he is born. With the exact numbers given in Genesis 11, 10-26, Shem has lived 290 of his 500 years at Abram’s birth. Abram is told at 99 that he will have a child, but scoffs it off, saying there’s no way a man his age can have children, and certainly not Sara, being a ripe 90 herself. He still has his 7xgreat, 6xgreat, 5xgreat, great-grandfather and father alive at 99 years old, and yet he calls himself a man too old to have children, even though it seems that Shem is still around to get Abram 6xgreat-uncles still. Shem outlives Abraham by 290-175=115 years. But no, Abraham is the old guy. Sorry for ranting, it just irks me terribly, and I don’t think such specific numbers can be explained as literary devices.

Thank god you sorted all this out for us emma. Went for a walk the other day and was afraid to go too far away in case I fell off the edge 😂😂😂❤

Hey, Emma, love your work, and this one is no exception. Do this sometime. I turned a few friends on to this, because even with all we know about the planets, solar system, and space in general, it’s still kind of pleasantly mind-blowing. Next time you’re outside on a clear day, point at the sun, but tell yourself,”I’m pointing at the center of the solar system.” Then just ket it sink in…. 🙂

@jc3drums916

11 ай бұрын

Or, to be pedantic, where the center of the solar system was 8.3 minutes ago. 😉

@davidsoule8401

11 ай бұрын

OK, wow! but yes, you are not wrong.@@jc3drums916

@0LoneTech

10 ай бұрын

​@@jc3drums916 That's about 1/90th of the angular width of the Sun difference. I suspect the position of Jupiter makes a bigger difference.

15:09 - It's very interesting that the word "כנף" or "kanaph" was translated as "corner" because the actual hebrew definition is "wing", like for example - wings would be "כנפיים"

@stevenalexander6713

11 ай бұрын

It's also interesting that the Septuagint translates the word as πτέρυξ (pterux), which also means wing. Pterosaur means winged lizard, pteradactyl means winged finger, etc.

@mattm8870

11 ай бұрын

yep also it clear the Hebrews thought the earth was a circle in shape and a circle dont have corners.

Commented on your "First Meeting" Horizon upload. Nuff said, it was at the top & I didn't check dates. Hope you get it. 🌈🌟🦄

Tres bon, madmadame. Informative and entertaining, as always. Personally, I look at Biblical retconning as proof that it was never true to begin with, especially the clear retconning that goes on right inside an individual book. Genesis looks like something Tommy Wiseau might write and leaves me in stitches with all of its obvious writing mistakes; like, I guess resources were too precious to throw out entire pages for a few errors or brain-farts, hence the out-of-control repetition, and why each time a bit is repeated it gets more and more detailed as the writer thinks on it and fleshes it out as he goes. And I'm like "God needs to stick to his day job and leave the writing to the professionals."

I actually fully agree with you, but my interesting insight (maybe) is the case of Nicolaus Copernicus in Poland. If you asked anyone in Poland "who came up with idea that earth isnt the centre" they will say "ofc our POLISH ASTRONOMER NICOLAI COPERNICUS". When in actuality you can doubt not only the fact that he "discovered" it, but also the fsct he was polish, and if he was really an astronomer. It defibitely gives me idea to make a video about it so thank you s lot for inspiring me! I learned pretty quickly about Galileo but its because i was obsessed with astronomy since i could read, and when it comes to Copwrnicus, i absolutely believe he had a lot of good work done in this topic, but its just falsely portrayed in Poland. Galileo who? Basically. Anyway, amazing viseo 🎉

@jmiscreant

11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of how the Americans, the Brazilians, and the New Zealanders all have different answers to the question "Who invented the aeroplane?"

@lidbass

11 ай бұрын

@jmiscreant it was Tesla. Here in Interwebworld it’s common knowledge that Tesla invented everything…

@lyokianhitchhiker

11 ай бұрын

@@lidbassif you steal a Tesla car, is it an Edison?

@egodreas

9 ай бұрын

The earliest astronomer who is known to have proposed a heliocentric model was actually Aristarchus of Samos (310 BCE - 230 BCE). Copernicus is thought to have been vaguely aware of Aristarchus' work, but not necessarily the heliocentric bit, so the Copernican model is generally considered to have been independently developed. His book _De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium_ was published in 1543. The idea was not initially refuted by the church, but most astronomers of the day did not find the model convincing. It was not until 1609 that Galileo made a series of astronomical observations that strongly supported the Copernican model, and began to promote the heliocentric idea. He eventually convinced large parts of the scientific community, but at this time the Roman Inquisition was in full swing, striking hard at anything that smelled the least bit of Protestantism. Although Galileo seemed to do his best to stay on the right side of the Church, the current political climate was not in his favour, and he was eventually made an example of in 1632. So no one is claiming that Galileo actually came up with the heliocentric idea. He was just the famous martyr who supplied the observational evidence that enabled the Copernican Revolution.

Fun fact: there are high school seniors who did not exist when Pluto was demoted to dwarf planet.

@lyokianhitchhiker

11 ай бұрын

I was still a Freshman in High School when that happened.

The simpler explanation for "The Four Corners of the World" is just speaking about cardinal directions, basically all the ways you can go.

@brook_angel

11 ай бұрын

There are more than 4 ways you can go tho. It's like 360° Without the concept of north etc. People used to orient themselves with landmarks or the stars for example.

@Leongon

11 ай бұрын

@@brook_angel Without knowing what the specific person who wrote that part of the bible believed to be the four corners of the world, the simplest explanation still is to address 4 cardinal points extrapolated from front, right, back and left, front being whatever is that most important landmark. That's my point, there's very few cultures ever who navigated themselves without 4 points.

Thank you for reading and researching the bible, so that I don't have to.

thumbnail excellence 😂😂😂

Hi Emma, you've got some good material here, and please forgive me if I disagree with you just a bit. Well, not really disagree, but I think a different perspective. TLDR; I think you've done a good job of highlighting and addressing a number of misconceptions on this topic, but there's still more on this topic that ought to be addressed. To be fair, I don't think is possible in a video of this length to cover all the related material, but still there's more that should be said. I just don't think that the subject of ancient cosmology can be reduced to a simple yes/no question about whether the Bible teaches that the earth is flat. The Genesis story in particular has roots back to ancient polytheistic Canaanite myth (hence the reference in Genesis 1:1 to literally gods, plural, creating the heavens and the earth), and our modern text is an amalgamation of centuries of varying theological and cosmological thought. Pick a position and you can find support for it somewhere, and you'll find different people taking wildly different positions on such issues throughout history. There have been a number of distortions that skeptics need to be aware of and avoid, but still there are theologians, church fathers, and even authors of Scripture who appear to have held beliefs consistent with the "layer cake" cosmology of the ancient polytheistic Canaanites. So we should be surprised if flat earthers aren't swayed by the evidence from church history either. There's still going to be precedents they can appeal to.

'Multitudinous' is a real word, and one of my favourites; it occurs in King Lear, along with my most favourite word, 'incarnadine'; Lear wonders if he can ever wash the blood from his hands in the ocean, or will it "turn the multitudinous seas incarnadine"

I've said this a few times, but the flood myth really annoys me. My academic speciality involves a lot of analysis of paleo-sea-level. To say there is zero observational evidence supporting the biblical global flood narrative is dramatically understating the case.

Damn, some fine globes!❤

@daniellamcgee4251

11 ай бұрын

They're fake.

Most people who believe the bible supports a flat earth use old English translation which used phrases understood in the 17th and 18th century but not by most people today. Also one of the problems with translation was the original text were often in "common" language, like two friends talking and not scholarly language.

I've got to be honest, I'm surprised that people point to Galileo as evidence that the church thought the earth was flat. I've always known that that argument was about what object orbited what.

@0LoneTech

10 ай бұрын

It's a bit of a hallmark of some cults lying about history. Another is claiming Columbus' belief of the Earth's round shape was exceptional; there was in fact disagreement because he thought it was way too small.

Praise be to our Lord Emma

Man they weren't lying about global warming. The earth sure is getting hot 😳😳

"An tip o' these nuts" 😆Well done, Emma.

@14:20 "Did Shakespeare think the Earth was flat?" Well, he named his theatre "Globe".

Antipodeez nuts joke out of the gate, this is gonna be a good one

inb4 Kent Hovind