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@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

In one of the videos on the new Tundra can you guys pop the hood and point to the transmission cooler? Or point at it through the grill? I know Toyota it has been said that Toyota put the transmission cooler back in, but I have trust issues with manufacturers and large companies.

@COMMANDER-ONE

2 жыл бұрын

So, did you say the 2022 Tundra has “augmented sound”???

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, they did. And it does, because almost every, if not every, automaker does now. At least Toyota actually made it sound decent outside the truck too, instead of when Ford released the Ecoboost F-150 Raptor and when asked about it's exhaust note the Ford rep basically said, "It's a V6, what can you do." Implying no one could make a V6 sound good meanwhile Nissan had the fantastic sound VQ series of engines and the Camero V6 sounded awesome too.

@COMMANDER-ONE

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Opinion_of_Matt thanks for the info.

@The_Opinion_of_Matt

2 жыл бұрын

@@COMMANDER-ONE Not a problem. Have a good rest of your weekend!

People commenting on these tests: We want a truck that has these: 1: Sports car level acceleration 2: Rolls Royce level comfort and materials 3: 1 ton level payload and towing on a 1/2 ton truck 4: sound studio level quietness 5: Prius level fuel economy 6: Unimog off road capability and ground clearance. 7: NSA level technology with built in super computer. 8: A short long wheelbase, and a narrow wide body 9: Tow hooks, even though they are likely to never get used. 10: Can’t cost more than I paid for my 1988 Ford Fiesta. Every truck brand engineer in the industry: WTF is wrong with you people?

@ChatNoir443

2 жыл бұрын

You nailed it

@zelenizub2036

2 жыл бұрын

I want V8, front bench seats, electric mirrors (I'm spoiled) over 2k payload and over 10k towing capacity...

@bigslacker666

2 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong (and funny) but today's trucks are really amazing anyway. The 'back in my day' crowd can't seem to appreciate that you can go buy a half ton off the lot that will tow 10k lbs, do 0-60 in the 6 second range, get 19mph on a road trip, cool your taint off in the summer, stop you from crashing if you aren't paying attention, play anything from the world's library of music on demand, show you turn by turn navigation, redirect you to a gas or food stop at will and get you to a remote campsite over gnarly terrain. And if you want to spend a little bit more and give up 2k or that 10k towing you can go 0-60 in 5.5, do 60-80MPH offroad and jump your factory stock truck. It's a golden age of trucks and people still complain. :D

@aaronn.1010

2 жыл бұрын

lol you got it man it won’t get many likes though since most people commenting are one of the people you listed lol

@scottyellis3442

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂 all true.

I’m not upset about the lack of V8. I’m upset about the lack of video feed as you accelerated with the tundra. You cut out the best part of these videos.

@chadrollheiser9368

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@Stpete28bmb

2 жыл бұрын

This! I noticed that right away. The augmented sound probably embarrassed itself

@MrChadLedford

2 жыл бұрын

I think they had a vehicle in the way on the ramp

@krasnaludek298

2 жыл бұрын

Complete opposite. The Toyota is 4th or 5th (if we separate Chevy & GMC) in the full-size segment from a sales volume standpoint. TFL has been giving Toyota so much air time across multiple threads, that I’m starting to believe that Toyota Corp is subsidizing these videos.

@lukestoyz

2 жыл бұрын

But they showed us how the Ram excellerated with a load--Again

Talking about price these days is simply silly. Recently passed a Ford dealership that had an f-150 out front that they had tagged at 86k. That's not off the lot. That's pure insanity

@TheAdventureKean

2 жыл бұрын

Just paid 90k for my Ram 3500. It was 2k off sticker, which I was not happy with, but that is much better than the 15k ford was adding to their final price. Now mine is a fully loaded Limited Ram HO 3500. Never thought a truck would hit close to 100k.

@dubbsix

Жыл бұрын

My local Toyota dealer is charging 9k over MSRP for one.

I hear you guys estimating your throttle input many times. Why don’t you plug in a scanner and actually KNOW what your throttle input is? It would be easy with any of those OBDII scanners with a Bluetooth connector, or even have the wire out of the way and have the passenger take a look.

@tpolarbeart

2 жыл бұрын

I made this comment a year ago and people in the comment section got mad at me even though it's simple to do and can be done for around $100. They can literally overlay any of the trucks data on the screen.

@SimplyCarReviews

2 жыл бұрын

@@tpolarbeart I have a 20$ scan tool that can do that so yes they can Easy, simple and accurate. Estimate will vary one car to the next so will the actual percentages.

Did you guys use the Tundra’s dual tow-mode capability? I saw TOW HAUL (for 5k lbs and under) but did you try TOW + (for 5k lbs and up)?

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

Great Question👍

@pantloaded

2 жыл бұрын

Big goof gotta do it all over.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

Hello, we will do more tow testing with the Tow+ mode in the coming weeks.

@adrianhosein7698

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck how you all declaring winners and not even using the proper feature for towing? Smh

@hunterdan2002

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrianhosein7698 what would it have done? You saw where the engine was revving on the downhill, another gear would have put it past red line. Might have bumped acceleration slightly (increased throttle sensitivity).

My ‘14 Ram 1500 Crew Sport 4x4 was $48k new. I thought that was right at being stupid. I’m also thinking it was my last brand-new truck as they’ve all priced themselves out of my league. We need people to stop buying shit for a while.

@Rhinopuddles44

2 жыл бұрын

I’m with you but unfortunately there are too many people that have more money than brains.

@andrewpierce2395

2 жыл бұрын

adjusted for inflation, today that would be 56,289...

@Rhinopuddles44

2 жыл бұрын

@WomenHateShortMen it’s now $60 for a work truck. $1k a month for a truck? Higher gas prices and inflation added on what else can people do? They’re sick of being priced gouged by greedy dealers as well. I know a can’t afford one.

You guys are fast forwarding through a lot of the trip. I don't mind longer videos.

@JoeJacksonGT3

2 жыл бұрын

Based on their viewing data, I would hope they review, you and a few others may be the minority. I can't imagine they would cut a lot out if they haven't seen viewers skipping large portions of their videos. They can't please everyone, which I'm sure you're aware of.

So the Tundra was at 2500 rpm’s and 40-50% throttle vs the Ram at 4K plus rpm’s and 80% throttle and the Tundra was quieter and loses the TOW test……..Fascinating.

@joatmon1857

2 жыл бұрын

And takes twin turbos and two more gears to get there with newer "supposed better technology" yet can barely beat an old school purod NA engine up a steep hill and get worse MPG doing so..... Go figure!!! NO replacement for displacement still stands I guess....

@jjtool5800

2 жыл бұрын

@@joatmon1857 it’s moving more air so it needs more fuel.

@shaw5604

2 жыл бұрын

I'll choose the Tundra

@putmeincoach7663

2 жыл бұрын

@@joatmon1857 Absolutely. It proves what many Toyota enthusiasts have said all along: Toyota could have kept the legendary 5.7L and mated it to a 10 spd. transmission and achieved the same results without reliability concerns of a twin turbo setup.

@collindownes4567

2 жыл бұрын

Hemi all day long.

It would be good to see full towing stats on these videos, you used to show weight tickets. It be interesting to see pin weight compared to payload on the Toyota, and WDH weight transfer.

I would enjoy a fuel economy test included with the IKE testing, fuel them before you start, drive them to, from, include the tests and fuel them after. You could leave both trucks run while you swap the trailer or whichever you need while you prepare for filming.

I would prefer to see the F150 3.5 vs the Tundra. The turbo will tow better with worse fuel economy so seeing those two head to head would be the best comparison.

@bobdennis4801

2 жыл бұрын

The Ecoboost Tremor went up in 7:44 and about the same fuel mileage. 6 brake applications also. The PowerBoost was same mileage and brake applications but 7:57 going up due to lots of traffic.

@metalfox28

2 жыл бұрын

I respect the comparison to the well known V8 Hemi

@killerb5726

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobdennis4801 Thanks Bob!

@ohioguy4326

2 жыл бұрын

maybe engine wise, but I think the Tundra will be a more stable platform for towing with it's heavier weight.

@mauricemotors8207

2 жыл бұрын

Toyota has better build quality and better history with hybrids unlike Ford….

Been anxious all week for this. I used my 2013 to haul down my 8000lb mini excavator down this exact path. Gotta take my time but the 2013 tundra does really well for a 1/2 ton

@JAMESWUERTELE

2 жыл бұрын

And last forever

@Seasniffer69

2 жыл бұрын

Your body style tundra actually have the biggest brakes of all the half ton trucks fyi.

@fredwilliams7893

2 жыл бұрын

@@Seasniffer69 really, so when the redesign came in 2014 they changed the brake size?

@vjmotano835

Жыл бұрын

@@Seasniffer69 B C w.

I have been waiting eagerly for these reviews, thank you!

Best towing test on the internet. Period!

@treyhart6861

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and no.. the trailer weights keep changing from year to year, making it extremely hard to compare results from year to year. I really wish they would make benchmark trailers with fixed weights for each class. They can still do the "max tow" test too, but for more accurate testing from truck to truck, year to year, they need to eliminate some variables.

@Captndarty

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. If there’s no traffic any truck can maintain the exact speed required to make the 8 min benchmark. Albeit some might be working more than the others but timing aspect is ambiguous

@markbulva4188

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhart6861 the world is full of people that tow all types of stuff. Not near as many who tow max weight and the same weight year after year

@anthonyc1883

2 жыл бұрын

@@Captndarty There haven't been some over the years that couldn't make 8 mins? Even without traffic delaying the run, I seem to remember some couldn't make it in the prescribed time.

@jayrichards3672

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhart6861 Check out Truck King Channel they test Trucks with same setup.

Will you run it again in Tow/Haul+ mode in the Tundra?

61-62 Decibels inside? That must be the best results! I don't remember u guys testing anything quiter!

@anthonyc1883

2 жыл бұрын

Andre said that 60 was the lowest, but he didn't state which truck achieved that.

@JanBartos24

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyc1883 i don't any truck achieved that before. I think he was wrong.

@SimplyCarReviews

2 жыл бұрын

@@JanBartos24 I agree.

@shitloveaduck

2 жыл бұрын

@@JanBartos24 - Just because you have to be right? I know they made it to 60. You go review all the videos, back ohhhh 7 years and get back to us. Until then, I will go with Andre and 60 db.

@jshapiro34

2 жыл бұрын

They showed clips at 3200 rpm’s I wonder what it was at that but 62-66 db you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference But I’m more interested in the fuel economy and they already just recalled them for power steering failure Owned a ecoboost owned a ram own a Titan now and love the pure v8 and RC3 inch lift on 33s I get 18.2 on 95 Savannah ga to Wilmington nc

I liked the video, but I’m confused at the results. Is the score based on towing up and down the IKE Gauntlet or about the seats, tech and tow hooks. The scoring needs to be scientific as possible which means only assessing limited variables. The Tundra matched or exceeded the Ram in all towing perimeters with one exception…MPG. They admitted that they got slowed a few times on the Tundra as well which requires more fuel to get back up to speed going up hill. The MPGs were close enough that I would say they’re the same with the extra accelerations. Tundra matched downhill brakes. Tundra exceeded in sound, pulling and stability. Not to mention that it had more power ready according to Andre. I agree that the Ram has the best interior. No question. I find it ridiculous to do a towing test and assess which one wins based on interior. Just saying.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

Our scoring is very specific. - 25 pts for downhill: subtract a point for each brake application - 25 pts for uphill time: subtract a point for each 5 seconds over 8 min. - 25 pts for uphill MPG: subtract a point for each 0.2 MPG less than 6 MPG. - 25 pts max Subjective score for each reviewer. Categories are: -- towing technology -- squat / suspension -- visibility / mirrors -- interior comfort / loudness -- value

@anthonyc1883

2 жыл бұрын

@My Pronoun is WTF Was performance the same? Both trucks came within a few seconds of each other in finishing but Andre said more than once that the Tundra had more extra power available, pretty substantially so.

@andrewmendoza1578

2 жыл бұрын

We got a tundra engineer commenting 🤣🤣🤣 he’s mad

@percivalgooglyeyes6178

2 жыл бұрын

It's about the tow hooks man, no tow hooks, no deal.

@willrector9716

2 жыл бұрын

@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 thank you

I'm really curious how they came up with the scoring on this because it seemed like all their complaints were very minor. -No tow hooks - Unless your truly off-roading you won't use those and you know there will eventually be aftermarket options . -Large grille - I think aesthetics is personal preference and shouldn't affect scoring on a towing exam . -Trailer brake location - There's literally two paddles to the trailer brake, you don't need to look at it to use it so complaining about how it's hidden is behind the steering wheel is ridiculous . Overall it was quieter and and had a better feeling when towing over the RAM but yet still scored lower on a towing exam. I think they just don't want to admit that an American made Toyota is just as good as the big 3.

@brent7368

2 жыл бұрын

I would say 83/100 and 85/100 would mean it's right inline with the big 3. To that point - 25 points available for break applications, 25 points available for time up hill, 25 points available for MPG Uphill, and lastly up to 25 points available for subjective opinion. Don't think anyone said 83 points was not good nor impressive.

@jamestopeka2236

2 жыл бұрын

The Ram is all American made and the Tundra isn't . Both are nice Trucks as I drive a 2020 1500 Ram 4×4 off road package with the 5.7 Hemi and I love my Truck , the new Hidro blue 💙 turns heads .

@bigfoot5268

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamestopeka2236 Toyota is a Japanese company. The Tundra is made in Texas ONLY. Ram is an italian company (FCA Italy) made in Warren Truck Plant in Warren, Michigan and at the Saltillo plant in Saltillo Mexico. THE TUNDRA IS MORE AMERICAN MADE!!!

@jamestopeka2236

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigfoot5268 My 2020 Ram says on the door made in America .

@bigfoot5268

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamestopeka2236 That's great! Arrivederci Amico.

Good video fellas. I’m glad y’all got a Tundra to test out. Can’t wait for the other videos to come.

It's the fun duo Nathan and Andre!!!!!! Nice to see you again Andre! Looking fresher!

Another good video. The tundra has really never had the wow factor except maybe back in 07 when they introduced the 5.7 with a 6 speed but the domestics caught up in a few years. Reliability is the what differentiates the Tundra so it will be interesting to see how the redesign/turbos will hold up.

@tickle-4797

2 жыл бұрын

💯 we will have to see how reliability (Toyota's rep) coupled with not-so-durable (V6 on trucks and turbos) would turn out to be in the long term.

@Husky1run

2 жыл бұрын

How will fuel economy be long run

@tickle-4797

2 жыл бұрын

@Jean Toronto Raptors true. This is the first one that tows though. Turbos too, kind of another issue altogether on its own. I really hope Toyota somehow cracked the code on the longevity issue surrounding that, but we will all know next year by this time when it has run a year with TFL?

@mikefoehr235

2 жыл бұрын

I asked the same question on another channel....TRUCK KING....and a Lexus tech told me that he has seen this TTV6 for years in Lexus product and was very reliable. This is what he told me about 3 weeks ago.

@timberlinecline3667

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikefoehr235 I understand what you saying but the Lexus he is talking about is a unibody SUV witch is not as stressful on that engine I will go with the ford EcoBoost V6 it's been around for long time and all the links has been worked out. even though it's a Toyota you should never buy a first year product with new technology especially when it's a new engine platform

I am so into quiet power ! Great test up the Ike ❤️👍

Well done guys. Thanks!

The first thing I was looking this morning. Thank you guys.

What I don’t understand is if you’re going to benchmark the new Tundra against an old V8 why not the outgoing Tundra and then the ecoboost. That’s the only two relevant comparisons in my opinion.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

We will do more Tundra towing comparisons in the coming weeks. We currently did not have access to a Tundra V8 or an F-150 Ecoboost.

@Bostonharborwater

2 жыл бұрын

I love my v8 tundra but these new turbo trucks. Ford. Tundra. Are the trucks to buy if you need the best towing 1/2 ton. That tundra would’ve embarrassed that ram uphill if speed limits allowed.

@anthonyc1883

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bostonharborwater Seems like it, based on Andre's comments about how much power seemed to still be on tap with the Tundra.

@gm12551

2 жыл бұрын

Watch the old videos

@denisleblanc4506

2 жыл бұрын

The penalized the Tundra for fuel milage while remarked it was much better than the ecoboost. So quieter and more fuel efficient than the ecoboost. Not bad at all. Nothing wrong with the Ram except it was way noisier both downhill and uphill. These are all important when towing long distances. I can't recall any Ike gauntlet test where any vehicle has ever been penalized for having no tow hooks whether it had them or not. It almost looks like you didn't want it to win. C'mon guys get a grip. And no I'm a Ram fan and have been for a while. Not so much Ford. Forget GM.

You guys should do a 2.7 vs 2.7 test when you get the chance. Updated GM vs Ford. I4 vs V6.

@oneqwickbird

2 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome. GM's new turbo I-4 is generating 420 pound feet of torque at 1500rpm. the 3.0 turbo diesel doesn't seem all that impressive anymore.... at least on paper!

@99-Zulu

2 жыл бұрын

Has GM ever told us if there is a new max tow rating for updated 2.7t? Or is it the same as the year prior just feels more peppy?

@oneqwickbird

2 жыл бұрын

Just an engine and turbo revision. All else is virtually the same from what I have read.

@uttamgala7186

2 жыл бұрын

100% would love to see this. Personally I think the ecoboost will take the cake but it would be a great comparison.

@ALMX5DP

2 жыл бұрын

@@99-Zulu I believe they revised 2021-22 tow ratings which bumped up the 2.7 from what it was previously at (around 8k or so) to max of 9500 from what I recall.

Appreciate your real world test. Good to know that a Ram (maybe Ford or Chevy/GM) will prove to come out as far ahead of the Tundra as your test results did today. 👍🏼. The new Tundra is not the end all for those who think it is. PS, I’m glad I don’t have a turbofied engine for long term longevity reasons (very happy with my new truck as many think they’ll get better mileage w/ their smaller turbo engine or hybrid (yeah, likely) but does not guarantee lower cost ownership to naturally aspirated, overall / lifetime ownership.

Always love to see this test. It really is the best showcase of what trucks can do while towing. I feel like this result is about what I expected. The real game changer will be the hybrid Tundra when that finally comes out. That said, you really gotta hand it to Ram and the Hemi. The 5.7 Hemi has been around for ages but is still continues to prove how good it really is. Great work! Keep it up TFL crew!

Not sure I understand how tow hooks fall under Tech, Nathan... Good test. Tundra did much better than the old one. Can't wait to see how the hybrid does.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

2 жыл бұрын

Likely worse. They tested the F-150 hybrid against the Ram 1500 Hemi etorque and the F-150 had worse fuel economy. Hybrids are for cars like a Prius not for towing machines.

@kennedyracing7527

2 жыл бұрын

Lose points on tow hooks on a towing competition plus you said it felt the best and it came out average. Plus the RAM looks old

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennedyracing7527 Ram doesn't look old at all.

@craigroosa9321

2 жыл бұрын

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I can not get over the grill on the Tundra and the body is too chunky looking . Ram looks great in that color and I agree not old looking .

@kennedyracing7527

2 жыл бұрын

Tundra is the best looking truck on the market

Yeah well that Ram lets you use the key fob for remote start without being forced to pay a subscription to use your key fob so there's that.

@lowermichigan4437

2 жыл бұрын

This needs to get more publicity

Andre is so funny!! Oh yeah!!😅 he's has the true American spirit! Loves his v8s!!

Love the videos guys. Keep up the great work.

Will be cool if You make video of Toyota Tundra 5.7 v8 vs this truck for towing, off-road, and long trip mpg

Excellent video. In the market next year to purchase my first truck and these videos are extremely helpful. I will be towing a 25ft 5k lb travel trailer.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

Need to put the tundra against the 6.2 Chevy/gmc and the Ford 3.5 eb………

Another great pairing. Love you guys banter while you share actual useful information. I bought my last truck based on your test results.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

@TheDeanGullberry

2 жыл бұрын

What truck did you get? I just got a 2021 tundra. Reliability was my #1 criteria. My 97 t100 had 430,000 when I sold it. Helped me stick with toyota.

Im a Toyota owner/ believer but hold them accountable for any f*ck ups and i gotta say idk how the heck did the Tundra design team not include tow hooks in the front. Its a truck not a damn sedan. SMFH

@ES44AC-2

2 жыл бұрын

You are so right!

@SPACEMIKEB

2 жыл бұрын

I've owned 3 Tundras and the lack of tow hooks/front recovery points is keeping me from ordering the 2022 and has me shopping other brands. I think they underestimated the problem they created by omitting them from their 4X4s.

@billymorgan7717

2 жыл бұрын

Supposedly, the front hooks were left off for... wait for it..... aerodynamics. 🙄

@cpenv

2 жыл бұрын

Most Japanese manufacturers put their tow hooks are under the front bumper. It’s not in your face like dodge products.

@zelenizub2036

2 жыл бұрын

That and lack of front bench seats got me to buy Titan XD.

Great video as always fellas! Question: Is there a reason why you guys don't do a standard size bed vs. the 5.5ft?

"Dear RAM, this is TFL trucks writing you to reassure you that we made sure not to let the new Tundra make your 1500 look bad. We found out that by using the wrong tow-mode we were able to decrease the Tundra's fuel economy result just enough to be lower than the RAM's. We also took points off the Tundra for not including tow hooks, even though practically nobody uses them. However, you should put some effort into making the RAM cabin quieter. The Tundra was so much quieter, so much more stable, had so much extra power on tap, and was clearly the better............... wait, what were we talking about again? Sincerely, your ever-faithful, TFL truck"

@mrmoparrr

2 жыл бұрын

The 2022 Tundra’s have some major issues but im impressed with the Torque and Towing. I would like to test one just on the routes i use to tow my boat etc. Not many are going to be climbing major hills like the Ike .

We wanted to see the transmission temp on the new tundra compared with the 2021 you tested

@jayrichards3672

2 жыл бұрын

Yes should have shown the trans cooler does work

@brianj123458

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know the 2022 don't have a transmission cooler which worries me a little but I may be wrong. I have a 2015 Tundra and pull a loaded toyhauler over the mountain all the Time in Tehachapi ca and Temps never get over half a gauge

@vikkzx

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianj123458 they do have it. I test drove one on Friday and noticed the transcooler. It was a big deal breaker for me if they didn't have it. Also the reason why I didn't get the f150 hybrid because it overheats when towing heavy.

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

We will do more testing related to this. The 2022 Tundra does not display transmission oil temperature. The ScanGauge we have is not setup to work with the new truck yet. The 2022 Tundra has a small auxiliary transmission oil cooler.

@brianj123458

2 жыл бұрын

@@vikkzx ok thank you for the info I heard Tundra was getting rid of the cooler, since they still have one I may think about the hybrid when it comes out

Can u guys test the 2 different tow/haul modes to see how they differ on the ike?

Louis here love the channel great content I actually saw you guys went by that day we are doing the construction on I -70 by Silverthorne minute 13:29 of this video is us on the side of the highway tried to wave , I knew it was you guys keep up the good videos nice tundra by the way 👍🏼

Looking cool Nathan dig the coat and glasses 👍great video guys keep them coming

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

Something that needs to be said about these turbo V6s. The fact that they make around 100lb-ft torque more than horse power , means the torque peaks early and then begins to drop a lot. HP and Torque being equal at 5200rpm ( also the peak of the HP in the Toyota) means that the torque is on a downslope very early in the RPM. It will be a good towing engine, but it will feel almost like a diesel, with very little use for building RPM.

@terrencejones9817

Жыл бұрын

@@mizzouxc3824 according to Toyota. I'm betting it loots very different on a dyno. Torque is likely falling off rapidly as low as 4000rpm

@terrencejones9817

Жыл бұрын

@@mizzouxc3824 what is the peak torque @ the wheels and at what RPM. Also what RPM is peak HP at. What is the torque numbers at peak HP?

I'm still getting used to my Ram's shifter but like the extra room in the center console not having the shifter there.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

2 жыл бұрын

A column shifter would solve all these problems!

@pajamatime5750

2 жыл бұрын

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 No kidding. I don’t get why there’s so much hate towards them!

@MrJcjet

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't like the phantom shifting that the one I rented did. It was really frustrating trying to back up a trailer when it would shift its self into park repeatedly while you were trying to back into a tight spot. The towing was pretty good and I was impressed with the MPG. I ended up buying an F250 that has been a nightmare - I sold it after only 10 months. Breaking down repeatedly is more annoying than the phantom shifts! lol. But I still don't like the shifter dial. Maybe you can turn off the self-park shift thing on the ram??

Love the videos like always. What about a mix up of towing 5-10 year old trucks/suv. To give someone in the used market some good research we can look to and seek advice.

Good video!!! Would like to slide something in yalls suggestion box. I remember back when Tundra photos were first leaked, there was chatter about how it looked like the GMC. What about a comparison video on similar features??

Another great Ike Gaunlet run by Andre & Nathan! Can't say I agree with the score's, but i definitely agree the lack of tow hooks on the Toyota is strange.

@CF_Sapper

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and no, most people are never going to use them, most of those what will are already gonna replace the front and rear bumpers/add a winch. I can see why they went without it.

@kc510

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, strange delete.

@TaillightSolution

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve used the front tow hooks multiple times to pull other cars out of ditches. They work great when you use a proper tow strap.

@waggitnshaggit6592

2 жыл бұрын

@@CF_Sapper Nope, Vice makes an excellent hidden winch mount using stock bumper and tow hooks.Really keeps a stock clean look while keeping winch well kept and out of the way.I used one on my 2019 Rebel and now ordered one for my 2022 Ram 2500 which is now offered.Great small buisness,made in Canada and no I am not affiliated.

Love the Ike Gauntlet! Why are the turbo V6’s always less efficient than the V8’s? I would stick with the Hemi! I will keep the V8 sound as well! The Toyota did well though.

@jayrichards3672

2 жыл бұрын

Someone I follow once said about the ford ecoboost...you can have economy or you can have boost but not Both!

@CG_86

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayrichards3672 I really don't know what made people think a turbo engine producing more power than the V8 would get better fuel economy. The only thing that really helped ford was switching from steel to aluminum.

@kidzznks4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@CG_86 I totally agree. The ford v8 is 22 highway vs the ecoboost 24. So for 2 mpg your risking turbo failure x2 which will easily set you back 2k. Makes no sense. If the difference was like 22 mpg vs 30 mpg that makes way more sense. It might be justifiable but even then…

@maxfinity5640

2 жыл бұрын

"There's no replacement for displacement"

@rockie307

2 жыл бұрын

@@kidzznks4281 Do the math in 200,000 miles that 2 miles per gallon turns into a few thousand dollars. There's a huge gas tax the democrats will pass before long. Fuel is only going up in the long run. Turbos are reliable and not hard to repair or replace with a little mechanical skills. I drive a v8 and am tired of spending 100 a week on fuel. I'll take the chance with a turbo next time if it gives me better economy and performance.

You know things have changed in the automotive world when you the thing that excites you the most is a console shifter.

Great video! Your videos are much appreciated. Any way you can compare a limited model with load leveling rear suspension (non avs) to your tundra OR? Interested in not only towing differences but also normal daily driving on black top.

Turbos bring more heat, more maintenance. Im sure most people will not maintain them well enough to actually get good longevity.

@cwqrpportable

2 жыл бұрын

Very valid point

WHAT!!??...THE RAM BEAT IT!??....WOW!!!

You guys are so good!

Thx for sharing, great review as always ... I had 2 rams in the past, last one was '18 v6 quad cab blackout, was happy with it's abilities, ride comfort and fuel mpg ( pocono mt. to bergen county NJ and back 180 mile round trip avg. 24 to 27mpg cruising 70 - 80... it be an amazing truck if they sealed up the bolts / underbody, was super unhappy having to sell it after 2yrs... but none of the current options have good hardware or winter prevention hell some are showing rust brand new on the lot !!!

@piotrk1047

2 жыл бұрын

Please review more base models, you know the once I can more afford lol ...

what did I said!? RAM WAS GOING TO BE FASTER UP THE MOUNTAIN AND GET BETTER GAS MILAGE !!!! who was the fellow that was arguing with me about this?

@DetroitMuscle313

2 жыл бұрын

@Sleepybear723 lol ok sure, 20+ year old pushrod v8 map the floor with that rice grinder lol😆

@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884

2 жыл бұрын

@Sleepybear723 Ram all day. Toyota is a wannabe rice burner.

@sammyjammy6647

2 жыл бұрын

@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 sounds racist to me

@DetroitMuscle313

2 жыл бұрын

@@sammyjammy6647 you are what's wrong with todays society

nice but i wish we could have seen and heard the full Tundra acceleration

Great video!!!

Nathan looks like a rock star, must be trying to up his image.

Very impressed with the new Tundra the drivetrain and suspension makes it almost a completely new truck I’m happy that they finally put all the features that Ram and GM have been doing. 10 speed towing over a old 6 speed, curious to see what the transmission temps are because the old 6 speed is scary but they must be strong because they hold up.

@CACressida

2 жыл бұрын

Almost a new truck? It is a new truck. How's the old 6 speed scary? The AB60 transmission has an excellent track record. This new transmission has big shoes to fill in reliability.

@xspower21

2 жыл бұрын

So your excited they produced a truck that offers zero new innovation and just barely brings the truck to current day models??? This truck literally offers nothing that can't be found on 2020 truck models from other manufacturers. How is that impressive?

@xspower21

2 жыл бұрын

@@xk302a so it's not that it's missing anything, it's that nothing besides the hybrid power rating stands out. It on par or has less functionality/usability then the 2020 and 2021 models from the other manufacturers with ZERO new innovation. Why did we wait 15yrs, and I personally been waiting 3yrs to replace my 2011 Tundra for a Truck that is just average. This truck not even close to being a world beater as they advertised it. So now they want people to drop 60-70k on a truck that's not even really on the lot yet but it's already 2yrs out of date. Just don't make sense. It's almost as if the people designing the truck had zero experience driving trucks

@CACressida

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspower21 zero innovation? What innovation has other trucks brought? Ford put a bigger power inverter in their truck. A tacoma has had an inverter and a bed outlet since 2005. Ford has a hybrid truck which acts as a generator. Hello, Prius. Did you forget Chevy also had a hybrid truck a decade ago? Ram put coil springs in the rear of its truck. GM put coil springs in the back of their trucks decades ago. Ford put a flip forward armrest to act as a desk. 2000-2006 Tundra has had a flip forward armrest to act as a smaller desk. GM and Ram use cylinder deactivation. GM came out with that technology back in the 80s and it was called the 8-6-4. It was a total flop then and its a nightmare now for higher mileage engines. Man I really see the multi opening tailgate option being purchased and used like Crazy. You can thank old Station wagons and the Honda Ridgeline for that innovation. Just because something seems new and innovative to you doesn't mean it is. A lot of this "innovation" has been around forever. As for your claim of "zero innovation," who else has a tailgate release on the side of the taillight you can bump with your elbow? Laser welded frame rails isn't innovative?

@thomasdiamond9420

2 жыл бұрын

@@xk302a GM is the bottom of Reliability. Ford and Ram are both rated higher than Toyota in full size market.....

I'm fine with any engine that will accelerate that quickly and tow that well, V8 or TT V6. The Tundra (And Ram for that matter) V8s are proven reliable. If anyone can build a reliable engine as complex as their TT 3.5L, Toyota can but it hasn't been proven yet. Toyota needs to give that hotshot driver who racked up a million miles on his old 4.7L Tundra one of these new ones to instill some trust in the new powertrain. I also miss the days of simple inexpensive trucks. The base SR 4x4 at $40K puts me out of the market.

@aussie2uGA

2 жыл бұрын

I'm holding on to my 2001 Tundra for the "simple inexpensive" aspect. Back then Toyota provided drain plugs on everything, room to work on it, and everything just works. The future of the hybrid is going to get nasty in 10 years when it's time to service all of that complexity and cost.

@allentoyokawa9068

2 жыл бұрын

It is a Toyota is will be fine... they been making turbo Lexus for years

@petevincent74

2 жыл бұрын

Respectfully sir, although the outgoing 3UR-FE engine has earned the “bulletproof” moniker, Toyota’s most legendary engines are turbos and their ability to build a reliable turbo engine is very well documented. This application of the V35A-FTS may be new in a truck but it is not new altogether; it’s been in service in the flagship LS500 since 2017. I don’t believe Toyota would stake the rep of the Tundra, LX, and Land Cruiser on an “unproven” engine.

@MB-jz3uu

2 жыл бұрын

@@aussie2uGA not really that hard to service. Batteries can even be replaced if you're an average mechanic and have a good tutorial video.

@fastertruck

2 жыл бұрын

The 3.5 ecoboost is plenty reliable. Put 250k on my first one and never had an issue with it, the last 75k miles were tuned as well. Sold the truck to my nephew just over a year ago and it's arill going with no issues. Plenty of other with similar stories.

Not what I expected either. Good review fellas.

Thanks for the video. What brand of running board you have there on the tundra? Was it self install and how complicated? It was not there when you picked up the Tundra at the dealers few days ago.

Excellent comparison. Also interesting info on the tuning of the Tundra's powertrain, i.e. seemingly less eager to take off like a scalded cat (in comparison to Ford's setup). I'm guessing Toyota is aiming to go for as much long term reliability as possible with the turbos on the new engine, hence keeping things more calm and stable.

@putmeincoach7663

2 жыл бұрын

Yet it did worse in terms of fuel economy than the Ram v8. This proves that Toyota could have added a 10 spd. transmission with the 5.7L v8 and still achieved about the same results with a naturally aspirated engine versus this twin turbo v6. That's a failure.

@shitloveaduck

2 жыл бұрын

@@putmeincoach7663 - Nope. That 5.7 is exceptionally thirsty. They could have gotten closer, but the overall fuel economy day to day is the one that matters when it comes to CAFE standards. They would need the 10 speed and then much less aggressive gearing, but it would never get the overall economy the new V6s do and will get in the future. I like V8s as well, but you don’t think Toyota hadn’t thought what you just thought? They have an entire team that tests these theories in real life in mule trucks. This had been developed and perfected to their standards for the past 2+ years minimum. The sign if the times. I remember I n 1974 when I was in grade 6 the principal in our school had said there will no longer be V8s and full size trucks would be powered by 4 cylinder motors with induction like a supercharger or turbocharger, steaks would cost $10 each in the grocery store, gas would be $5 per gallon. All true!! The GM full size trucks will have the 2.7 4 cylinder, (designed the same way a 4 cylinder turbo diesel is designed and made of the same cast material as the Duramax) 310 HP and 420 LB FT of torque!!! It will all happen nice and low in the power band where a truck needs it as well!! I am positive that truck will out perform the 5,3 litre V8!! The 5.3 has 355 hp and 383 lb ft of torque, but it happens much higher in the rev range. The 5.3 pulls decent mind you because for today’s V8s it has its torque peak and curve occurring about 1000 rpm lower than the Ford 5.0 for example. The 5.0 outperforms it overall though, especially unladen. Times are changing. People gotta change with the times or they are road kill!! Pun intended, haha.

@xspower21

2 жыл бұрын

Turbos literally add mass complexity and absurd heat. Can you point to any Turbo charged motor that has 200k reliability? If there is, I must be missing it. My money says this will be the downturn for reliability for the Tundra

@MrJcjet

2 жыл бұрын

The engine is very different from the Ford. They're both turbo V6 but the tundra is built like a diesel with a long stroke and small bore that's not very high revving - the performance is much more diesel like. The Ford is a wide bore short stroke - more like a race car engine. The Ford engine is designed to be free revving and probably a good bit quicker in a drag race. The tundra engine seems to perform a lot like you'd expect from the engine specs.

@MrJcjet

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspower21 you could choose any commercial turbo diesel. They're pretty much all good way past 200k miles.

Once again RAM RULES the day!!!👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@jayrichards3672

2 жыл бұрын

If they can stay outta the shop

@doylee469

2 жыл бұрын

RAM RULES..Says no one ever

@leedanielson7452

2 жыл бұрын

@@doylee469 The only people who say RAM rules are ones that are in the know and use their brains to compare all manufacturers..

@diecast4359

Жыл бұрын

Your right just the day before it breaks

Wow! Wasn’t expecting that. But I value you guys opinion. Thanks

great honest review.

Did you use tow/haul or tow/haul+ in the tundra?

What surprised me was how calm, quiet and relaxed the Tundra sounded going up. It may not have scored higher but I'll still pick it over the Ram for towing ease.

I’ve been waiting for this for a while. Tundraaaaaa

Great video. Does that truck have the tow plus mode ?

We wanna see tundra towing 11000 lbs with Ford

This version Tundra seems ok and on par with the competition, but I think the Hybrid version will be the show stopper.

@baxs5076

2 жыл бұрын

No generator option unlike Ford, though.

@Rali852

2 жыл бұрын

@@baxs5076 why do you need a generator on a truck? Unless you live in Texas which has the electrical grid of a 3rd world country, I don't see many uses for it.

@garys2157

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rali852 That's why it would be a option for those that want it, it has proven to be a nice extra to have. The power numbers look good, little puzzled by the older battery technology they went with, maybe costs.

@thenotsoguitarguy9429

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rali852 because I live in rural Georgia, which has the electrical grid of a third world country, ha ha.

@curtthrasher5599

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rali852 or California. They shut our power off everytime the wind blows. A huge miss for Toyota since the Ford can power the house. Toyota charges $395 for their 400 watts to power a hair dryer. Ford charges $775 to power a house.. and I'm not a Ford fan.

Does TFL truck have a rank list / data base somewhere of all the trucks tested in each chassis size segment? Would be cool to see what trucks rank and perhaps how they have gotten better or maybe worse as time has gone on.

I think the next test should be the mpg towing loop against the Ram with max towing capacity 10.5k lbs

@TFLtruck

2 жыл бұрын

We plan to do more MPG and trailering MPG testing soon.

@lexuslowlife3055

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck I can’t wait for the videos. Does that truck have the tow plus feature. Don’t remember you mentioning it in this video.

@mobgma

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck Try the Tow+ mode for christ sakes this time...

Love all of your guys videos, but on this one I can't help to wonder if the lower RPM on the Tundra during towing will help its reliability over the long run. While we all want the sound of an engine truly working, for $60k+ the truck better last a hell of a long time as well.

i would really like to see a city mpg test with the hybrid... i never tow and rarely use the highway in my truck

@primalj_2a433

2 жыл бұрын

Hybrids aren't being released until march

@toyyoda3710

2 жыл бұрын

@@primalj_2a433 The Dodge has the mild hybrid system ... he just showed it and its the second one they have had and i still have yet to see a city MPG

@joshwalsh6432

2 жыл бұрын

Then buy a car

@toyyoda3710

2 жыл бұрын

@Daniel G As i suspected ...i did some research on Fuelly and the 5.7 Etorque average mpg is 16 and the 5.7 average also... 16... when the Etorque came out in 2018 as a 2019 model, i called it a transitional technology that will be replaced the following year and im very surprised it is still around ... although i have to admit i had high hopes it actually did something

@shawnberndt4032

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you need a truck if you don't tow EVER?

Thanks for the great video as always TFL. Is there anyway you all could have it tow up the same mountain that Andre ran his truck up and it got hot and went into limp mode. I would be curious to see how it handles that.

@CodyLeslie

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they definitely need a super Ike with this. Load it up and don’t give in to the ford 20% reduction for elevation bs. They used to load up trucks with no issue at all and I bet this Toyota won’t have that overheating issue.

@brandonstewart7145

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodyLeslie I agree totally.

Im happy with my 5.7 tundra crewmax ... Masterflow exhaust sounds soo good

Why didn't we get the Tundra acceleration run like we did for the Ram? There are many stories on the Tundra's engine being underwhelming with acceleration, considering it has nearly the power of a Ford 3.5 Ecoboost. Also, on the sound reading on the Ram, it read 63.6 first and then 67 once near the windshield, very likely due to defroster being on. I'm not saying the Tundra did not do well, but it is not the knockout that was billed to be to take out the Big 3.

@moose5.9

2 жыл бұрын

They did the run? Said it was slightly quicker than the ram but not as punchy as the ecoboost

@LukeEdward

2 жыл бұрын

A 10db increase = double the sound. Something along 4-5db can be a pretty noticable difference.

@hellkitty1014

2 жыл бұрын

@@moose5.9 no, the showed the Ram's speedometer all the way up to 60. They cut away from the Toyota as soon as it started going up and it wasn't all that impressive.

@moose5.9

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellkitty1014 so you didn't see the speedo but they still said the timing, I guess I don't see a difference

Unfortunately regulations are pushing products on us the consumers don’t like. Cylinder deactivation, twin turbos, auto stop start, just so the sticker mpg is a little higher. Only to be more expensive and maybe slightly more efficient in the real world. Meanwhile we cruise ships that produce as much emissions as a small city running 24/7.

@cwqrpportable

2 жыл бұрын

Good point

@token4874

2 жыл бұрын

I concur....crap we don't need or want.

Are y'all wanting to do a crew cab, long bed Tundra with the hybrid set up in the future? That would be an interesting combination to test out.

Good morning Gentlemen, Another great Ike gauntlet video .Remind me again why you don't utilize cruise control up the Ike 🤔

I always enjoy reading the comments about MPG. It makes me laugh when the mileage on the Lie O Meter is in your particular brands favor. How come nobody is asking for a hand calculation?

Seems interesting that the TT V6 was loafing along at 2500 rpm while climbing under load! You sure you didn’t get a diesel model? I wonder what the turbo temps were when you got to the top, and how many times you could do that before frying the turbos. Both great trucks!

@thomasn428

2 жыл бұрын

It was over 3k later...:-)

@manfredstrappen7491

2 жыл бұрын

I’m betting Toyota tested those *liquid cooled* turbos well beyond what any owner would do to them.

@joem8875

2 жыл бұрын

Toyota turbos are dual cooled and have an electric coolant pump for if you shut off the truck with the turbo still hot. Solid system!

Chevy: Let's make a fugly truck. Toyota: Hold my beer.

After you put it in tow haul mode and turn the drive mode knob to the right you get a tow+ mode which helps engine braking and more aggressive downshifts.

Thank you for making videos to help all of us make decisions. Had a Ram Rebel and need another vehicle. Looking at the Timdra very seriously. Again, THANK YOU.

@JRsVsO

2 жыл бұрын

Why? The ram rebel is, imo, the best all around truck between towing, looks, styling, comfort, and off roading.

@RMC2021

2 жыл бұрын

Just curious what your experience was for reliability with your Ram?

@freddysumner4015

2 жыл бұрын

@@RMC2021 great truck. I passed it down to an employee. Will most likely get another.

@freddysumner4015

2 жыл бұрын

@@JRsVsO always looking at new and different.

The score was a bit of a surprise, but it was very close and subjective based. Will the new Tundra with the twin turbo have the same QDR as the V8 Tundra??? Because imho that is why the old Tundra sold as well as it did. Only time will tell. Great video

@shaw5604

2 жыл бұрын

Yes i agree. Very subjective (by TFL)....

@putmeincoach7663

2 жыл бұрын

Why was it a surprise? It got worse fuel economy than the Ram with a v8 towing the same load. The F-150 Ecoboosts have been rated the same way on this channel.

Need to see the door jam sticker on all these trucks in these towing videos.

All things being equal…wait a minute, there is one significant difference you didn’t mention. First, Toyota powertrain warranty - 60,000 miles vs Ram powertrain warranty - 100,000 miles. Second, the Ram’s 5.7 Hemi was introduced in 2003 and has since received updates and improvements to enhance performance and durability. The Toyota? All new engine, twin turbochargers, complex electronics…will it stand the test of time? It’s a gamble and, considering the price of trucks these days, the better bet is definitely Ram. Thanks as always for a great comparison test!

@johnleslie9493

2 жыл бұрын

I guess I should have said TWO significant differences…

@attananightshadow

2 жыл бұрын

maybe rams newer than 2018 are more durable, but 2018 and below tend to suffer from lifter and cam issues around 100-120k miles. also, long base powertrain warranties don't mean much, it's mostly marketing; i'd highly suggest reading the fine print on that 100k warranty

@johnleslie9493

2 жыл бұрын

@@attananightshadow My 2014 Ram has 223k miles and I’ve had zero powertrain issues. I hear what you’re saying about warranty, you pretty much need to go to dealer for service for the first 100k. Well worth it IMO.

Love the vids guys…. But why would you edit out the Toyota accelerating up the on ramp?

@billrobsham697

2 жыл бұрын

Probably on fiats payroll

I cant entirely agree because being rated for strictly towing, tow hooks on the front make no difference and they said it towed better than the Ram. So for strictly towing it should have ranked higher.

@Ultratron100

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Tundra did better but lost because of tow hooks and a perceived lesser interior quality. That is pure horse shit.

@jannonapster120801

2 жыл бұрын

Blame the engineers at toyota lol…even with v6 turbo still the same fuel economy with the V8

@thebeddoctor4273

2 жыл бұрын

@@jannonapster120801 true but they didn't do the pump test for accuracy. We don't know how accurate the computer reading is and you will not tow 24-7.

@BPJac

2 жыл бұрын

@@jannonapster120801 well known fact that turbos do nothing for fuel economy when towing. Still, it was better than what they got in the ecoboost, but not sure what weight that was towing.

How often do you use the tow hooks on your pickup?

OUTSTANDING TESTING ✅‼️‼️👌🏾

That Hemi v8 it’s unbeatable. The ultimate proven engine.

Of the 5 half ton Mfgrs the two best trucks for towing & highway mileage would be the Ram 3.0 liter Ecodiesel and Chevy 3.0 Duramax. I hope to see a test between them.

@fifthcircle1

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the little diesels are best for towing. I know a few guys that have/had them, and they complain about a lack of power.

@brandonkylemarks

2 жыл бұрын

A lack of power and overheating easy. I think both companies went a little too hard on efficiency with the 1/2 ton diesels and didn't emphasize power enough. Great for day to day highway driving but the towing issues are inexcusable

@scottyellis3442

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree that would be a good comparison.

@vernlochtefeld1626

2 жыл бұрын

Power is sufficient for the limited capacity of a half ton platform. They just are not going to be as fast as a gasser. If you want fast buy the 6.2 or 5.7 or twin turbo 3.5s of Ford & Toyota. Toyota has a new small diesel they put in other vehicles. I suspect our government deterred them from putting it in the Tundra which is a shame. It could have been a great optional engine for it. Many wish Toyota would have kept the v8 as an optional power plant also. Overheating is not an issue for the GM, past Ford 3.0 diesel, or the 2020+ RAM Ecodiesel. It was an unexcusable to use your term mistake of the first GEN ram ED due to putting the intercooler in front of the radiator. 🙄. Still not a big problem unless towing heavy and pushed to go fast up a long grade. FWIW I tow new Airstream TTs commercially from their plant to their dealerships nationwide. Eight years 859,000 miles now on my 2014 econo diesel. At 65 or less towing economy is / was tops. With an engine & trans tune exhaust brake WDH & airbags great choice for light to moderate weight towing. Tuned it will tow as much as the Hemi. I did once take a 9,100 pound TT down the 5 from Portland to LA. Up and over 5 & 6 percent grades at Mount Shasta and up the grapevine. It averaged 14.0 mpg. With the Hemi it would have been 9. It’s really just about choosing the best motor in each manufacturer’s line up for how you are going to use your truck. Unless you have a favorite then stick with those.

@Olena.Osilo75

2 жыл бұрын

I have F150 with 3.0 diesel; never had any issues overheating even in 100 plus heat pulling thru Rockies. 3.0 has more towing power that 5.0 and with same trailer instead of 9 mpg I get about 17. I wouldn't trade it for anything except another diesel.

Great video and all, but what we really want to see are the hybrids (f-150 and Tundra) in similar spec going against each other. Who does hybrid trucks best??

I know many truck owners like console shifter. I prefer push button or dial. Saves console space.