Is this 1.5x?

@johncockram8883

13 күн бұрын

No, Peter ripped a meth pipe before recording this to study the effects of zone 2 cardio after consuming amphetamines

@FierceZs1

13 күн бұрын

to fit the nonsense into a short, yes

@liamb5791

12 күн бұрын

It sounded very clear and succinct to me

@pedrosilvasantos1770

12 күн бұрын

It's 2x then ​@@johncockram8883

@rondoespsych5901

6 күн бұрын

​@@FierceZs1what's nonsense about it?

Humans evolved eating meat. So tired of people trying to say meat is unhealthy.

@ccaselli7

18 күн бұрын

True...tho i'd add..as long as its grassfed organic. Makes a big difference..its not near as inflammatory.

@TheOLGILA

18 күн бұрын

Ok but he said hotdogs and pepperoni... 😅

@smithusa321

18 күн бұрын

@@TheOLGILA yeah those are (many times) what the studies are counting as “meat”, as Attia notes here…. Which is no surprise those contribute to cancer. But the average layperson hears that and assumes regular, fresh meat is unhealthy.

@main2333

18 күн бұрын

It’s the processed meat, or meat with hormones and antibiotics! Grass fed natural

@Hippy2021

18 күн бұрын

​@@smithusa321 Depending the sources of meat you get. A huge difference between grassfed organic pasture raised. Seriously a huge difference between eating cheap and high quality food

Peter attia at 1.5x sounds just like aben Shapiro! 😀😀😂😂

@patrickd8770

17 күн бұрын

lol I can't un- hear this

Can we please call it what it is and normalize it… In these observational and epidemiological studies these are called Healthy User Bias or Unhealthy User Bias. It’s why these studies don’t really tell us anything… except that maybe a RCT is needed to confirm.

Pepperoni and hot dogs isnt even red meat lol. Its processed junk food. Dumb comparison

Need a video on how to read and interpret research studies in accordance to the hierarchy of research!

Could we start citing studies (ideally meta-analyses / review articles) in these videos? That would be very useful and teach an important skill

@notpg13

14 күн бұрын

💯 exactly what I was thinking.

@MrMisterBlondie

12 күн бұрын

...if only...

@Garret_bruh_homey

12 күн бұрын

Look at the show notes on his website.

@SquashVision-od2xz

12 күн бұрын

@@Garret_bruh_homey Looks like that's only available if you pay $19/mo to be a member which most people in practice don't do (not that it's not worth it). I think there'd be an awesome public education opportunity in providing primary source (again, ideally review articles) citations for claims made here, for free. It would be really educational both on the specific topic being discussed, and as a positive example/demonstration of the evidence-based scientific thinking recommended on this channel.

I am an epidemiologist and I disagree with this take. Dr. Attia is implying that there are a number of variables that are not taken into account when we do epidemiologic studies on diet and cancer. The variables he mentioned includes socioeconomic status, exercise, smoking, etc... The problem with this is that it is incorrect. Tons of models have adjusted for participant's socioeconomic status (income, education, zip codes, etc), physical activity, smoking, alcohol, and many others. The majority of these studies find that even when you take these variables into account, red meat consumption increases the risk of cancer.

@vahidmaster

14 күн бұрын

100%

@bengt_axle

14 күн бұрын

Agree with you, but large sample size studies are often observational (especially nutritional studies) as opposed to interventional (i.e., experimental). You can control for some factors but individuals are not alike and do not live identical lifestyles. We know today that eating fat doesn't make you fat, but that is exactly what dietary scientists were saying for decades.

@Cidfloyd

14 күн бұрын

Cancer and Heart Disease update guidelines and best practices policies around red meat/Saturated fat due to lack of evidence involving risk and outcome from: The American Nutrition Association/2029-2025 Dietary Guideline for American Recommendations. Updated in 2022 on page 184-187 (Red meat/Saturated Fat no longer seen as a threat in modern health conditions) The American Heart Association/Guidelines and Statements of Professional heart Daily Updated 2018 on page 105-112 (Red meat/Saturated fat inclusive risk factor due to lack of evidence). There are many other health organizations that also update their policies

@1truthseeking8

13 күн бұрын

Suuuuure... And asking people what they are for the duration of the last YEAR is accurate when they can't remember what they had for breakfast...

@Aceg13579

13 күн бұрын

Nobody more worthless than epidemiologists

Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

Is the "problem" with red meat that in the US, the most popular way to eat red meat is with a bun and fries.

Smoking and yoga the two biggest killers of our time.

Simplify Peter, Red meat doesn’t cause cancer. The vegetarian may get cancer because humans are not vegetables. So vegetarian could have nutritional deficiency which can trigger mutation. The vegetarian are healthy because they do exercise, sleep, etc, all these other variables made them healthy NOT because they are vegetarian.

Peter, I love your sharp observations that otherwise would go completely under the radar. When you did the podcast on cholesterol, and what measures should actually be taken by the doctors to assess your cardio metabolic disease risks versus what measures the doctors actually take. Mind-blowing how ignorant of things we are. I'm grateful for you doing those podcasts! ❤

Maybe poorer communities around the world? Some are vegetarians given costs of meat and likely get more exercise naturally for work, daily travel, etc

Im a mechanic for a living. i dont think it's the red meat that's going to give me cancer

What he has been saying has been refuted. They can control for confounders and when they make that adjustment red meat still LINEARLY increases cancer and all cause mortality risk..

@Jennieadams1979

3 күн бұрын

Red meat heals.....carbs and plant toxins KILL

No, in the China study, there was definitely no hotdogs and no pepperoni. Although, meat eaters were more likely to be wealthy. So that’s the inverse of what you were saying.

@trisb6216

14 күн бұрын

depends on their eating behavior. If the wealthy class in china eats like unhealthy americans and the poor chinese like the wealthy americans it doesnt show anything

@jboogs49

13 күн бұрын

The China study is bs. It's basis was feeding rats and unsustainable diet give them casein. He made a hypothesis on that extrapolated that milk protein to all animal proteins consumed by humans saw the data and contorted results to look thru are more meat and had more cancer which is more complex. Eat non processed nutrients dense wide variety of veggies fruits nuts seeds meats and get sunshine, exercise sleep well laugh stay hydrated etc. that is the key

@JC-vy1bo

13 күн бұрын

Wealthier places also consume more refined sugar and high fructose corn syrup.

Carnivore diet for the win

@Jennieadams1979

3 күн бұрын

Facts

If our bodies didn't want to devour meat... we wouldn't have sharp teeth meant for ripping and tearing... we are omnivores we need both meats and greens

@brownie43212

16 күн бұрын

We don't need meat lol.

@Spoilburg72685

16 күн бұрын

@@brownie43212 my 24 sharp teeth and 8 flat teeth beg to differ. Are your teeth all flat like a dinky little herbivore?

@toph10167

16 күн бұрын

@@brownie43212 because we live in a world where we can supplement what we don't get from not eating meat. LMAO

@pauldavies7251

14 күн бұрын

​@@toph10167why would you "SUPPLEMENT " when you can have the real thing 🤦‍♂️

@toph10167

14 күн бұрын

@@pauldavies7251 exactly

AND the meat are both highly processed crappiest of meats with nitrates & nitrites and not compared to “industrial” regular meats or pasture raised meats. My takeaway from that study is stay away from HIGHLY PROCESSED MEATS OR MEATS WITH CONVENTIONAL PRESERVATIVES. But I’m gonna continue to eat my 100% pasture raised organic beef- and my fermented goat & sheep cheeses.

@Cidfloyd

14 күн бұрын

nitrates & nitrites are not bad, if they were vegans/vegetarians would be dropping like flies. There are more nitrates in some vegetables than in a hotdog or salami.

I know Over weight, vegans who drink and eats weed, don't exercise

I feel healthier and stronger in the gym when I include red meat in my diet.

The problem is the amount we consume versus our exercise…

@StrokeToSail

13 күн бұрын

Not true. What we eat and the frequency of eating matters much.

@mannyruiz8493

12 күн бұрын

@@StrokeToSailBoth can be true but many confounders outside of this

Hot dog and pepperoni is not steak bro

You gonna listen to a guy with AirPods? XD

That is an excellent point. It really makes you think.

I agree, but go to a vegan restaurant. So many of them are actually fat. Which is counterintuitive.

Eat meat...heal your body!!!

The word for this is...confounding variables. The confounding variable makes the results of the analysis unreliable.

It’s the way the meat is cured not the meat itself

@Padraigp

13 күн бұрын

Its also meat. Nitrates are carcinogenic but people who eat a lot of meat also more likely to get cancer but very hard to as he says detangle. Because if you're eating a lot of meat youre also probably eating a lot of other things and youre eating a lot. So the way we do science around food is very weird ..we look at one variable and try to eliminate the other variables... but we dont look at everything as a whole. Which is a huge problem in science. Because its fine if you're looking at something where you want to find out how one variable acts in a machine. Or a linear system but in a human it matters whether this person who eats meat has good gut health good excercise good muscles good digestion good mental health good sugar levels all of that. They often test something like vitamin c and say ok it didn't do anything but vitmain C needs vitmain é and zinc to even be useful in a body ... body cant use it if it doesnt have other things. So its just not a good model for testing things.

@DardyGG

13 күн бұрын

​@@Padraigp Nitrates on their own are not inherently carcinogenic. It’s the conversion of nitrates to nitrites and subsequent formation of nitrosamines that can pose potential risks. Bacteria in the body and our glands also produce nitrates.

@Padraigp

13 күн бұрын

@@DardyGG yes indeed. Thats correct.

@mannyruiz8493

12 күн бұрын

@@DardyGGfurthermore the dosage makes the poison as well. As an example apple seeds are toxic because they contain cyanide, but average adult would need to eat anywhere from 150 to several thousand crushed seeds (depending on the apple variety) to be at risk of cyanide poisoning!

Its simple , go eat some quality meat for one meal and see how you feel later . Then go eat wheat bread , vegetables, and some fruit for one meal and see how you feel in a few hours. They've always said meat causes inflammation...but wheat , and carbs always makes me feel achey and crappy later . They push the humane thing as well but weve been eating meat as upright hominids for 2 million years . Our bodies need it. Even Bill gates has admitted its very difficult to replicate real meat . That tells you its unique enough that what ever it gives us is very important. Factory farms could up their game by treating animals with more compassion...because their is a pr war against them . Ive battled with the morality of it all but look around, 95% of people have meat in their diet . And ive known some vegans that look downright terrible. They have alot of problems with their teeth and hair . That should tell you something.

Dad is 89, still plays 18 holes 2-3 times a week. His diet? Red meat and potatoes, eggs and cheeses. No fruits, no veggies. The beef he eats is scorched on he outside and completely raw on the inside. He'll send it back if it not raw, while eating at a restaurant.

@TizBaz5

5 күн бұрын

We're talking about populations here, not individuals. I'm happy your dad is doing well.

Lasagna isn’t red meat.

Nothing beats the source of all nutrition 🌱

@Jennieadams1979

3 күн бұрын

Red meat ❤

100% spot on.

That’s why you have meta studies my dude. You really think there hasnt been a study that controlled for lifestyle and economic status?

These conversations tend to move in the extremes and fester (to use your term: underwhelm) in the mean. I find it shocking the number of people who smoke and vape regularly knowing all we know...and yet. My point is we've got to keep having reasonable conversations in the mean spaces and do our best to invigorate ideas around natural eating, simple preparation and ignoring processed "food" altogether.

The movie FoodMatters. It would help if he could address claims made there, instead of implying all studies on this topic were made using junk meat as a source (e.g., hot dogs). In the end, this topic cannot be summed into a sound bite.

Folks he is talking cancer ONLY, which you can't do RCTs for. Longevity is a different story, where ApoB/LDL-chol matters a LOT! even by his admission.

India has largest numbers of vegetarians and doubt if they follow a healthy lifestyle like exercise etc. It’s more for spiritual and religious reasons.

@plaidchuck

18 күн бұрын

Thats actually a myth, most eat meat even if they say they dont

@uyouhaveyou

16 күн бұрын

Wealth status i would suggest be an equal if not greater reason for who consumes more or less meat in India.

All these doctor's and nutritionists in the comments are hilarious

I notice they left out the part where its burning meat to a crisp is when carcinogens come into play.

@Cidfloyd

14 күн бұрын

Any food that is burnt will produce carcinogens

It's not always the case. Eat what makes you feel good

I wish I lived off hot dogs and pepperoni 😔

I have a question for you, Dr. attia? in the history of mankind, what did the Neanderthals eat? Did they eat grass and fruit? It wasn't around they eat meat! This is the history of value and body. A body is designed to eat meat. We are carnivores and that is the proper human diet.

`it's not the meat, it's the motion

100% rational

American marketing is brilliant because we buy the wrong things many times due to that marketing system. This includes our government such as ADA and AMA supporters. The dogma from that influences our doctors and nurse practiceneers. But I do love hot dogs with canned chili and onions.

Hot dogs are not meat.

Might give Ben Shapiro a run for his money

What about hormones and antibiotics in red meat and nitrate

@Jennieadams1979

3 күн бұрын

The animal filters all that stuff and we are left with delicious healthy meat

It’s 100% context of how meat was raised, processed, and consumed.Were just learning what protein and fats , consumed with sugar or carbohydrates create glycation and lead to inflammation. Cancer scared me from meat, until I learned how our ancestors rarely ate them together. Meat is a big part of my recovery, so is saturated fat!Plants have tons of carcinogens , but they also cure cancer! It’s all about context.

@idontcare4490

18 күн бұрын

Plants cure cancer?

@lotembenatar7163

17 күн бұрын

All the claims on saturated fats are weak, as well as all the claims on whole unprocessed carbohydrates, both of which were part of the human diet, beef, potatoes, fish, fruits, etc. Are all healthy, all the LDL as well as glycation stories are underwhelming

But also instead of hotdogs you have lean beef lean meat and vegetables and fruit and then they are doing way better than the vegetarians😊

Peter pls tell me the brand of the cap 🧢😅🙏🏼

Imagine him ben shapiro having a conversation 😂😂

You forgot to say weaker.

You listen to these guys and you will get paralysis by analysis. We evolved into humans by eating leaves, some form of meat and fish along with whale blubber and berries.

one word adderall

Too much of anything is unhealthy...even spinach😅i eat meat twice/week.

How about everyone eat what they want and shut the hell up about it.

Life causes cancer

@colet1096

13 күн бұрын

*Modern life causes cancer. FIFY

Peter. This is a well spoken weak argument that has fooled people once again. Congrats!

going vegetarian plus all those over things are likely due to an over arching input not listed. So it's not necessarily a causality.

He's so full of himself and he thinks he knows everything when he knows JACK shit. He's completely biased because of the history of heart disease and his family what he doesn't know, as he's bringing himself to the same point and future.

"I am allowed to eat whatever I like, and I am right for doing it." This statement just reeks of motivated reasoning and mental gymnastics. If it's bad, it's bad. If you want to do it, then do it, but before you want me to treat it as good, I will take a whole mountain of salt because I can't trust your impartiality.

Stop speeding up your videos

So are you telling me doctor, that all these preaching that I should eat meat or I will suffer from some serious malnutrition effects doesn't hold up? I can overcome this dietary deficiency risks just by living more healthy and excersising (which I actually do)? I can even outlife (a great book!) meateaters who don't bother to exercise? It's a great news for an ethic-type vegan like me.

@frankcb11

18 күн бұрын

What are you even getting at??

@basil9633

18 күн бұрын

Understand that alot of people who are vegan specifically have alot more 1st world privilege to have access and choose purely plant based. Majority of the world needs meat to survive,maybe instead of holding a ethic stance of veganism just realize your privilege.

Whats wrong w pepperoni and hot dogs sir

@wesley16057

17 күн бұрын

Watch Talon Fitness's meat tier list video

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I don't believe that for a second if it's a vegetarian, eating nothing but pasta. And pesticide loaded vegetables compared to a person who's eating clean grass, fed grass finished meat and vegetables and not allow carbs. I think there hasn't been studies done on that and by the way, I do yoga. 4 to 5 times a week, ride my bike on the weekends and walk twice a day. An hour each, so that's 2 hours a day walking. I find that hard to believe that because I'm a meat eater. I'm more unhealthy than a person that eats a bowl of rice with some vegetables

As a vegetarian (since the 90s), I’m pleased to say that I trust the science on vegetarianism. Plant-based diet for the win. ♥️🌱♥️

@Jennieadams1979

3 күн бұрын

For now I suppose, but you cannot get all thw nutrients you need without meat. Plants are actually full of antinutrients that disrupt nutrient absorption

@TLW369

3 күн бұрын

@@Jennieadams1979 That’s what supplements are for.

Bullcrap.

Short answer? Yes... Long answer? Yes...

@basil9633

18 күн бұрын

No he saying when people eat meat they are usually also doing other unhealthy things. People who are going out of their way to only eat plant based food obviously are doing more things to protect their health. However that one variable dosent turn into cancer. Its the more chronic and sever things like smoking,drinking,obesity,not exercising, poor diet,diabetes and,heart disease, not particularly because your eating red meat.

@bobhill4364

17 күн бұрын

@@basil9633 Red meat contributes to obesity and all the saturated fat in meat contributes to heart disease. I do agree that someone can mitigate these risks by eating less meat and avoiding saturated fat in the rest of their diet, but it makes no sense that meat doesn't contribute to risk.

@uyouhaveyou

16 күн бұрын

​@@bobhill4364The carnivore diet cannot be healthy as a rule. Whilst I feel we are omniverous (plenty of evidence that we have been down the ages) the US seems to be going for big meat consumption. It's not like that in the UK. Personally, animal protein is so satisfying that I couldn't eat a lot of it. But now and again some simple animal protein feels important in my diet and I always consider and respect the origins of what's on my plate. Anything denatured or over-consumed leads to imbalance that leads to disease.

@bobhill4364

16 күн бұрын

@@uyouhaveyou I agree with this. It's probably best to eat meat sparingly and make sure it is good quality.

@Cidfloyd

14 күн бұрын

@@bobhill4364 Cancer and Heart Disease update guidelines and best practices policies around red meat/Saturated fat due to lack of evidence involving risk and outcome from: The American Nutrition Association/2029-2025 Dietary Guideline for American Recommendations. Updated in 2022 on page 184-187 (Red meat/Saturated Fat no longer seen as a threat in modern health conditions) The American Heart Association/Guidelines and Statements of Professional heart Daily Updated 2018 on page 105-112 (Red meat/Saturated fat inclusive risk factor due to lack of evidence). There are many other health organizations that also update their policies

This guy is debunked by many , I wouldn’t listen to him. He has many flaws

@basil9633

18 күн бұрын

Debunked?, bro he's a doctor

@StoneAgePHD

17 күн бұрын

@@basil9633 doctors are always right? 300.000 people die every year because of doctors mistakes, its a third leading cause of death in US. Wtf are you talking about? There a far far better doctors and knowledge people than him

@nutech1810

17 күн бұрын

What exactly was debunked? He is a well respected physician 😂

@StoneAgePHD

17 күн бұрын

@@nutech1810 so the others 🤣

@StoneAgePHD

17 күн бұрын

@@nutech1810 kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yn2curyLmse-lps.htmlsi=PBverPZPBJdWBhVQ

Statistical adjustment, hello.

nonsense