The difficulty in getting an answer from your local ordinary is that...sometimes, the local ordinary gets it wrong. More than once, in fact, Rome has forced local ordinaries to retract and revise statements made about the SSPX.

@juantoomany7202

6 ай бұрын

Can you cite one example of Rome forcing a bishop to retract any statement about the sspx? And who are you to decide whether your bishop has the authority to tell Catholics in his diocese where they can or cannot attend mass?

@richardmalcolm1457

6 ай бұрын

@@juantoomany7202 The best known case of such a correction is undoubtedly the so-called "Hawaii Six" incident, in which the Diocese of Honolulu excommunicated six Catholics for attending an SSPX chapel and receiving confirmation from an SSPX bishop. Cardinal Ratzinger as CDF prefect overturned that decision in 1993. There have been some less explicitly reversals imposed by Rome in years since, like that of the Diocese of Richmond, which in 2013 suddenly made a major revision in a statement they had issued about the SSPX and their planned new seminary in the diocese; it was widely mooted by credible sources that the CDF ordered them to revise the statement. [Caveat: I am not an SSPX attendee, and have never attended any of their Masses. I attend only TLM's authorized by local ordinaries.]

@juantoomany7202

6 ай бұрын

It is my understanding that the “Hawaii 6”excommunication was overturned due to the fact that the persons were laypeople and not professed members of the SSPX.@@richardmalcolm1457

Alright, I’ll just ask my German Bishop who has proven himself to be absolutely faithful and correct on topics concerning Church law by voting for sacramental sodomy and female Priesthood. I’m sure I will receive the correct answer.

@SirenaWomanWarrior

9 күн бұрын

😯

No offense to Mr. Salza, but I'd rely on Bishop Athanasius Schneider on those matters.

@Leocomander

Жыл бұрын

Okay, but you are under the authority of your local ordinary bot Bishop Schneider. You can’t pick and choose which bishop to listen to. If you are in his diocese then yes do take his advice, but on cases like this that correspond to your local diocese you need to seek advice from the bishop that is assigned to that diocese.

@andym5995

Жыл бұрын

I must ask, why are we picking and choosing who we listen to? Bp Schneider says they’re ok? Bishop Sheen said they are not. Vigano looks at them favorably? Cardinal Burke does not. Fr Z says you can attend their masses? Fr Ripperger says you can’t. Just because a prelate seems orthodox and says something we like doesn’t mean they’re right. Ultimately the authority in this matter is the Pope and by extension the Church, and they have said the SSPX is schismatic and we should have nothing to do with them. Case closed.

@BalthasarCarduelis

Жыл бұрын

@@andym5995 I think what he's getting at, per the difference, is that Bishop Schneider was the observator sent by the Vatican to the FSSPX to weigh the issue.

@Catolicotradicional39

Жыл бұрын

@@andym5995I think bishop Athanasius is right

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

So you are picking one Bishop you already agree with and saying you will rely on him? Why not ask your local Bishop or a canon lawyer?

"All that is done by obedience is meritorious... It is obedience which, by the light of faith, puts self-will to death, and causes the obedient man to despise his own will and throw himself into the arms of his superior... Placed in the bark of obedience, he passes happily through the stormy sea of his life, in peace of soul and tranquility of heart. Obedience and faith disperse darkness; he is strong because he has no longer any weakness or fears, for self-will, which is the cause of inordinate fears and weakness, has been destroyed." - St Catherine of Siena

This whole attack on SSPX is gross, and this is coming from someone who attends the Novus Ordo. Matt, you gotta get out from under the thumb of whoever is putting you up to this! First it was that weird Ukrainian bishop who painted an unrealistic picture of Ukraine, and now this.

@hamie7624

Жыл бұрын

It isn't an "attack" to talk about their clear, serious issues.

Hasn’t the situation changed since ED?Like, Francis gave SSPX faculties for 2 sacraments (3 if you count nuptial masses). 1 of those, extends anywhere in the world. So, they have been legitimately given an office for the care of souls. That is, in some interpretations, the broad sense of a canonical status. If an SSPX priest left for SSPV, or was dismissed by the SSPX, presumably he’d lose his papally granted faculties. That indicates that the Church recognizes a legal reality to the SSPX at this point. BXVI repeatedly said “they do not excercise any legitimate ministry in the church” as reasons for his position, but now, of course, under Francis, they do. If they have canonical status, then no interpretation of canon1248 which relies on an implicit need for their supposedly lacking canonical status can adhere. Which is not to say that their masses are licit. Which is not to say one may receive communion there normally. Which is not to say that normally you shouldn’t ask your bishop. But it is to say: It really looks like it SHOULD fulfill your obligation.

@richardmalcolm1457

Жыл бұрын

Well...cccording to the 1983 Code of Canon Law you satisfy the Sunday or Holy Day of Obligation when you attend Mass in a Catholic Rite on the day itself or on the evening preceding. No one denies that an SSPX Mass is a *Mass* - even if it is illicit.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmalcolm1457 To be clear, the fact that is illicit necessarily means that it is not in a Catholic Rite.

@richardmalcolm1457

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 No argument from me.

Insert KCK Archbishop (SSPX Immaculata in his territory) stating that it fulfills Sunday obligation

I'm so conflicted about this. I felt called to catholicism and started to pray the rosary daily. I looked at what churches I could go to and decided to go to an sspx chappelle in my town. I loved the Mass, felt God's presence and attended for a few months. After doing more research on the sspx I started to question if I made the right decision. I looked into other catholic churches in my town. Looked at the NO Masses they put online, and I really wish it didn't but they really made me cringe. Women reading scripture at the altar in tight jeans. Communion in the hand. Alter boys wearing sneakers. Alter girls. Music that was completely out of tune, loud, and giving me a literal headache. I don't want to go to church cringing it doesn't feel right. I'm supposed to give up a completely respectful Mass where I was able to focus, and pray for a Mass where I'm going to be cringing in horror. I am at an impasse. What should I do? Sspx says it's sinful to go to NO. Rome says it's sinful to go to sspx. I absolutely don't feel drawn to go to the churches that have NO Masses in my town. And now... I haven't been going to church. I stopped praying the rosary. I feel completely discouraged. Both sides say I'm doomed if I go to the wrong side. I almost feel like when I get over this feeling of disappointment and confusion I'm better off focusing on my relationship with Jesus, reading the Bible by myself, and praying. Maybe it's the pregnancy hormones getting the best of me. But I feel like this is all too conflicting, complicated, and discouraging.

@lukew4211

Жыл бұрын

Try FSSP, ICKSP, ect.

@thfrustratedidealist

Жыл бұрын

Your internal conflict is not without reason, as I feel similarly. Even at the more conservative parishes...the "sign of peace" throws me everything. Hippy bullshit.

@silvio1894

11 ай бұрын

I am in similar situation. I attended TLM mass for the first time in sspx chapel. It was finally the liturgy my soul longed for and biblical. When priest said that it is sinful to go to NO, that statement did not sit well with me and it still does not. In my mind, priest is a human who gives opinions and I disregard opinion of any human except Jesus and focus on the fruits only. If I had to choose between fruits of the sspx and fruits of the NO, I am choosing sspx despite having my conflicts with their reason for why NO is sinful to attend if they are in communion with Pope Francis and Rome and accept sacraments from the NO (despite making a claim it is sinful). Honestly miss louel83, notmyname4478 is right. If you wish for your child to be drawn to Jesus and keep traditions of the Church, SSPX, ICKSP and FSSP are the only churches that can give you that holy tradition. Take it from altar servant that served in NO churches for 8 years. I returned to NO church to serve to see if there is anything that can be done, to my horror, it became worse. Now people in shirts that say insulting words and blasphemies are taking communion on hand. When I confronted the priest about the unproperly dressed girl that received communion and man with insulting t-shirt, he told me that it is my problem for focusing on them. I asked what if I came to church and wish to be at peace and not look at woman whose´s attributes can be seen or etc..., he told me what if she was about to commit suicide, I said okay, and I countered with what if she is a stumbling block for me and he said "then that is your problem." I was outraged, these people and priests are making a fool out of me. Even said that my way of thinking is like 19th century Traditional Catholic village. I thought to myself, I do not belong to this century at all. But it is how it is ma´am, some may say that we are making a drama about it all, but it affects the way of the living and today churches turned into an amusement for the populace. I am going back to sspx, but before that, I will talk with my parish priest and try to make the sense out of everything. I wish you God bless and to lean unto Him and ask Him to lead you.

@brodyhagemeier9356

4 ай бұрын

Many people have left the Catholic Church altogether for "more Bible" or a personal relationship with Jesus when doing so leads away from Jesus and Sacred Scripture. I suggest continuing to pray the Rosary and finding reverent, faithful Catholics near you. Believe me, they do exist!

I didn’t realize that I had a Sunday obligation to be with John Salza. That’s very weird. 😂

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

Nope. He's just reiterating that you're under the authority of your local Bishop.

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

If by "with" you mean both of you are under the authority of Christ's church then yes you have to be with John as a Catholic. It is weird that you don't understand that.

@patrickmalone5644

Жыл бұрын

@@24erstad Ugh 😑 I shouldn’t have to do this but… It was a joke - clearly 🙄

@patrickmalone5644

Жыл бұрын

@@halleylujah247 it was a joke. 🙄

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickmalone5644 Ok, well it came off as sarcastic in a mocking way. Sorry for misreading.

This is a good conversation. I'm glad we're going there. It hurts. Not sure if I'm convinced. But I appreciate the conversations.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

If you're not convinced, ask your Diocesan Bishop whether or not SSPX Masses fulfill your Sunday obligation.

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

Bernadette God bless you for your honesty. Please reach out to me through my channel if you want help or support.

@Grandream

Жыл бұрын

​@@andrewdolder7216 At the end of the day, the diocesan bishop is the one with authority over me. I have plenty of options around me as opposed to the SSPX one. It is a greater virtue to do as told in this case than to do as one prefers.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@Grandream Agreed!

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 I don’t understand everyone commenting that they are confused. It’s literally as simple as asking our bishop.

As long as there is a state of necessity for a Catholic, he can attend mass licitly at an SSPX chapel. Salza is the one missing the nuance.

@andym5995

Жыл бұрын

And who determines if there’s a state of necessity? Not us. The Church does. How exactly is there a state of necessity when an SSPX chapel is almost always across the street from a diocesan church? Then you’re veering into the orthodoxy of the priest being the defining factor, which is bordering on Donatism.

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

Who declared the state necessity?

@paulpereira9317

Жыл бұрын

@@andym5995 here is the law buddy guy, and this is assuming in the worst case that they masses are illicit to being with to cause a 'violation' of the law. Can. 1324 §1. The perpetrator of a violation is not exempt from a penalty, but the penalty established by law or precept must be tempered or a penance employed in its place if the delict was committed: 5/ by a person who was coerced by grave fear, even if only relatively grave, or due to necessity. §3. In the circumstances mentioned in §1, the accused is not bound by a latae sententiae penalty. Read it and weep and convert, or continue to falsely throw anathemas at fellow Catholics like Salza

@andym5995

Жыл бұрын

@@paulpereira9317 I’m so confused- you seem to disagree with Salza but then defend him when I agree with him? And what anathemas did I throw and at whom?

Question: missing Sunday Mass is a mortal sin?

@guillelainez

Ай бұрын

If you deliberately miss mass it is a mortal sin. But if you are sick, or taking care of someone who is sick, don't have access to a church or must take care of babies is not a mortal sin to miss mass.

@anastrawberry8047

Ай бұрын

@@guillelainez thank you 🙏

@guillelainez

Ай бұрын

@@anastrawberry8047 Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church numbers 2181 and 2183. Welcome!

@anastrawberry8047

Ай бұрын

@@guillelainez 👍😊

Ecclesiastic precepts are man made and can be changed. No need to force people to attend a given rite

I would say one does not have to attend any Mass that would put one into scandal or damaging to one's salvation. I can't tell you how many Novus Ordo "Masses" I have attended that were so scandalous and so offensive I would never attend if that were the only Mass I had access to. Priests and hierarchy are duty bound to offer proper worship that is fitting and sanctifying to the people. We have a right to receive the Faith in all its glory and continuity with Tradition. I know a few that it is either banal Novus Bordo or crazy charismatic service Mass. Or the SSPX chapel down the street. It's not a rare thing but very common for many. So, if the Church or local bishop cannot offer worthy and fitting Mass for the people then the people have recourse to a Mass that is fitting and fosters the sanctification of souls.

@bradyhayes7911

5 ай бұрын

It's odd to me how comfortable people are usurping the authority of their local Bishop and saying "I would say..." or "Well I think that...". How is that any different from how Protestants approach every issue? We aren't entitled to good liturgy. Good liturgy is great, but would we risk falling into schism for it? Would we leave the Church to go with a group that views attending the Novus Ordo as sinful, who has many members that are sedevacantists? That's making an idol out of liturgy. I've been to some terrible boomer masses, and it IS a problem, but I wouldn't leave communion with Rome for a more enjoyable Mass.

How is it that John Salza has become the go-to expert on these serious matters? There are higher experts in the Catholic Church you can interview who are outside the SSPX. I wouldn’t want that decision to weigh on my conscience. Again, John always speaks with certainty, but with his usual sidebar note to ‘just ask your Bishop’.

Bro why is there so much hate from fellow Catholics. If people are bringing this up, it is because there is tons of confusion on the subject of sspx. And then it’s like we’re split and fighting with each other. I see folks who don’t go to sspx bring up points that are valid points worth discussion, but instead it’s pure anger and mocking, with a strong sense of arrogance in reply. Most of the comments I have read talking about ideas about not going to sspx are bringing it up out of charity. At the end of the day we are supposed to lift each other up and help each other, not sit there and bash eachother. It’s hard enough trying to convince people outside Holy Mother Church to become Catholic, and yet we do this type stuff and I know darn well non-Catholics watch this and see all the infighting and confusion. The comments just sowing division might actually push away people from the faith. Come on y’all, we have to be disciples of Jesus Christ and act accordingly with truth, and respect. Act grown and stop getting all emotional and being so rude to eachother. This man brought up a great point about asking your bishop in your diocese. Then be obedient to what he says. That obedience is more pleasing to Jesus, even if he says to go to a parish you don’t want to. We as the laity don’t make the rules, we just follow them and we don’t sit there and try to act so pious but by doing so actually be the complete opposite.

@clarajohnson7698

Жыл бұрын

"A single instant passed under simple obedience is immeasurably more valuable in the sight of God than an entire day spent in the most sublime contemplation." - St. Mary Magdalene de Pazzi

@seanmcelroy9774

Жыл бұрын

@@clarajohnson7698 thank you for the quote. I had heard that a few times before but forgot what Saint said it.

Canon 1248 §1 of the Catholic Church states: "A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass." Since we can say that the SSPX Mass is celebrated in a Catholic rite specifically the Roman rite, I believe we can say that the Sunday obligation would be fulfilled by attending the SSPX Mass. It seems pretty straight forward to me, but perhaps I'm missing some crucial distinction that's not explicitly pointed out in this section of canon law.

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

Canon 1248 does not merely refer to a valid Missal, but to a Mass celebrated in a “Catholic church sui iuris”: The Mass must be celebrated in a Catholic rite, i.e., in the liturgical rite of any Catholic church sui iuris, but not in a church which is not in full communion with the Catholic Church, although using a Catholic liturgical rite. Fr. John Lessard-Thibodeau explained in his recent canonical study of the SSPX, “the erection of a Church sui iuris is an executive act of the Holy Father. It does not happen as a mere matter of the passage of time, self-declaration or by any means ipso facto or ipso iure.”[13] As canon 373 provides: “It is within the competence of the supreme authority alone to establish particular Churches; once they are lawfully established, the law itself gives them juridical personality.” Fr. Lessard-Thibodeaux goes on to state the obvious, which the SSPX also concedes: “There is no evidence that the SSPX has been erected, defined or even described by competent authority as a Church sui iuris by competent authority.

@thecatholicdad

Жыл бұрын

@@24erstad the idea that the Mass must be celebrated in a Catholic Church sui iuris is not obvious from the canon itself, which clearly says that a Mass celebrated ANYWHERE in a Catholic rite. I'll have to dig more into this idea of "sui iuris" because I'm not educated enough on the matter, but from the plain reading of canon law in canon 1248 it seems to cut against this claim from Mr. Salza. I do appreciate his humility in deferring to the judgment of your local Bishop, so maybe I will see what my Bishop has to say on the matter. Anyway I appreciate your reply, and although I am far too ignorant on this subject to have a proper back and forth, you have given me something to think about and research. Pax Christi

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

@@thecatholicdad That is a very reasonable response. God bless you and your further research 🙏🏻

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

@@thecatholicdad Mr Salza has an article on his site that dives deep on this question. You should check it out and contemplate it. Well cited

@thecatholicdad

Жыл бұрын

@@24erstad Thank you! I just read this article and his reasoning seems to make a lot of sense. I'm cautious to declare his position on canon 1248 as settled because the source he uses as his linchpin in his argumentation is from a commentary on canon law. This commentary on canon law is at best a secondary source that is providing an opinion on the definitive way to interpret the canon, but as far as I can tell there isn't any reference to a magisterial document that backs this position. I wish there was! I wish the magisterium had clearly defined and settled this matter, but that doesn't appear to be the case. I will say that the explanation that Mr. Salza gives for his interpretation of canon 1248 makes more sense to me than the plain reading of the text that I was advocating before, but I'm not convinced enough to say that settles the matter entirely. I could see someone reasonably making the argument either way, and without the magisterium stepping in to clear up the situation, I just don't feel qualified to make a definitive declaration on which position is correct. It makes a lot more sense now that Mr. Salza is ultimately deferring to the judgement of the local Bishop since, in lieu of a magisterial clarification, the Bishop's judgement is the best thing to go on. I'll continue to read up on the subject, which is low impact on me personally since my family has never and doesn't really plan to ever attend an SSPX Mass. Hopefully the magisterium will clear up the confusion around the SSPX in the near future.

This is the reason why lay people should not attempt to arm chair quarterback. Salza doesn't hit half of the letter of the law and then misses the entire spirit of it.

@pocketvelero

Жыл бұрын

Says the Flat Earther 🙄

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

Elaine are you not armchair quarterbacking with your statement as well.🤔

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

Great, so settle the argument by asking your Diocesan Bishop if SSPX Masses fulfill your Sunday obligation.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 I get the it's ask YOUR Bishop. But if you ask 5 different bishops, you're likely to get 5 different answers.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Or perhaps one answer. To test this, ask five bishops in your area the SSPX question and tell me what their answers are. I will be impressed if any of them say yes.

Yes it does. Our bishop and diocese have no public comment on this matter. If it were so dire I think they would give a basic address of this issue. Valid Mass. Valid confession. Valid marriage. Yes it fulfills the Sunday obligation.

Was it wrong to not follow bishops and popes who had placed their own children as bishops and cardinals. It starts with leadership and Rome is without it.

One of the best conversations you’ve had on this channel. John Salza is a very faithful and knowledgeable Catholic! I was really impressed by how humble he came across. That’s as important as the information being discussed.

@luizamagalhaes7665

3 ай бұрын

Yes

Ask any bishop, but not Strickland or Schneider mind you! Bwhahah! 🤣👍 Fr.John Boyle here in the Archdiocese of Portland explicity said to me privately when asked for his spiritual direction that I may attend SSPX Masses. He didn't encourage many of the other issues potentially involved. I just wanted the TLM and to fit was available in my life realistically. He is the closest priest in our area to Archbishop Sample and constantly is saying to listen to him and be obedient. There are always in communication and a team. Fr.Boyle is a Canon lawyer as well and oversees all the TLM in our area. He is committed to Vatican 2, and our Church celebrating both forms at his 2 current parishes. KZread is so nice though isn't it? Lol. Fr.Boyle happens to think very lowly of the internet when seeking truth and living well. I have to say, in general I might agree.

I vehemently disagree with this. According to Bishop Schneider who did the investigation of the matter on behalf of the Vatican.

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

Is Bishop Schneider infallible? What does your bishop say? He is the one you are subject to.

This guy is a tax lawyer. 😂

Commenting for the Al Gore rhythm!!! ✝️✝️✝️

We need a debate with John Salza over the SSPX. There's so many conflicting views, I can't make up my mind.

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

We don’t need a debate. Have you watched the full talk where he goes into the history of the SSPX? I highly recommend. It could not be simpler. The devil loves confusion.

@handsomegiraffe

Жыл бұрын

@@1hart I have watched the full talk, that's why I would want to see how pro-SSPX people would respond to this. John Salza is a lawyer, meaning he is an expert at persuasion and can even make bad ideas look good to others (which I'm not suggesting is what he is currently doing). I highly respect Bishop Athanasius Schneider and he says they are not in Schism. That's why a debate, not necessarily with Bishop Schneider, would be great to witness. Also, you discouraging debate on a highly contentious and important issue in the Catholic Church is concerning.

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

@A Fancy Handsome Giraffe he literally says over and over and over that if there is any question about whether it is OK to go to an sspx mass to ask your bishop. I assume most people know that our faith teaches that our bishop is the rightful authority over us. That authority and hierarchy comes from Christ himself. Are you confused about that? I am baffled as to why after listening to him that you think we need a debate. What John Salza explains in this talk is pretty basic catholicism. You would rather debate with someone who is pro sspx and fancies themselves an expert than to consult the rightful authority ordained by Christ himself? Honestly that concerns me. He also explained how the sspx were performing marriages,hearing confessions and administering invalid sacraments before they were given permission by the Pope. But that doesn't concern you? Ummm ok....no words

@handsomegiraffe

Жыл бұрын

@@1hart That's a strawman argument. I didn't say John Salza was wrong and I didn't say you shouldn't ask the local Bishop either. I am however, curious to see how pro-SSPX people would respond to those criticisms. Open discussions and debates is common academic practise. We should hear both sides and see who has the better arguments for the sake of learning. John Salza, being a lawyer, knows about listening to both sides, even when the other side seems completely wrong, better than either of us. You don't think a debate would even be interesting? This really comes down to basic freedom of expression, we need to see how the other side responds. You believe in freedom of expression right?

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

@A Fancy Handsome Giraffe it wasn't a strawman but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Council of Trent Session 7 Canon 13

@dariuszfedyk3429

Жыл бұрын

Exactly..no more new rites after Council of Trent

@d.j.s.7387

Жыл бұрын

Wow. I wonder what this means for the Novus Ordo Mass?

@Jimmylad.

Ай бұрын

Catholic answers states that the canon to which you refer only limits the clergy from changing the rites of their own accord. The Church still does not permit priests or bishops to change the approved liturgies of the Church at their whim (Code of Canon Law, can. 214; Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, 22.3).

I think Mr. Salza would have more credibility if he were equally outraged by all of the clown and bubble “masses” instead of merely harping on a Catholic group for wanted a mass exactly as it was done for centuries.

Genuinely shocked to see all of these folks going to bat for the SSPX.

@cynthiasauer9818

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJ5tp9anpMTXnbA.html

@TheJmlew11

Жыл бұрын

@@cynthiasauer9818 what’s the point of sharing this video in response to this specific comment?

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

Characteristic of devotees in a cult

@blackholelily1388

Жыл бұрын

Ryan really? You claim to want to "convert" people through the Logos Project and this is how your doing it.

@NoSoupForYouu

Жыл бұрын

@@24erstad you are so brainwashed it hurts. By the way, the catholic religion is a cult by definition, so the fact that you're using cult as some sort of derogatory term shows your ignorance. Claim to have the high ground over the trads but go ahead and commit sacrilege by receiving in the hand

Ok so you are supposed to ask those very Bishops who give public communion to homosexual protestants and public figures in a state of grave mortal sin? Who permit abortion groups to operate in their churches and preach universal salvation and pluralism of religions? Those that have led the flock to completely abandon the faith??? When we see the modernism is leading us over the cliff we should double down, obey and jump? Let our children take the risk? Matt - how could you air this??? How have you not done your homework? Please consult sources like Kennedy Hall etc. there is so much factual inaccuracy in this guys testimony, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

If a church is not in communion with the Pope, then attendance cannot fulfill the divine law by going to that church. It doesn’t matter what the personal circumstances are. This is just more Vatican 2 confusion.

@hanntonn2

Жыл бұрын

The SSPX is in communion. The pope wouldn't grant faculties to priests not in communion as it was done in 2015.

Tim Staples from Catholic Answers says yes as does Father Zuhlsdorf.

Salza has himself wrapped up like a pretzel.

@AnaMT1985

Жыл бұрын

That's a great argument 👌🏼 you guys are just making Salza's point for him when this is your best rebuttal.

Attending an SSPX Mass does not fulfill Sunday obligation. Worse, it can even lead you to hell. Take note of this syllogism based on official teachings of the Magisterium... 1st Premise: JPII: Ecclesia Dei; BXVI: Ecclesiae Unitatem; and Francis: Traditionis Custodes: clearly say SSPX "not in full communion with the Catholic Church” (=schismatic=outside the Catholic Church) 2nd Premise: Council of Florence (1442): those outside the Catholic Church are not saved (=go to hell!) Conclusion: SSPX are not saved (=go to hell!)

@ChuckyLarms

Жыл бұрын

You’re into is BADLY outdated

@lanbaode

Жыл бұрын

@@ChuckyLarms Let me ask you: is the teaching authority (magisterium) of the Church outdated? Read and think about Matthew 18:18.

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Salza Vs Dimond on Sedevacantism. That's PPV

Catholic Answers disagrees with you.

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

Huh?

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

Michael, does Catholic Answers still have credibility? With Coffin and Horn gone, Akin is the last of the old guard, and he often just filibusters with irrelevancies when he can't answer a question. CA has brought in an unimpressive JayVee team of amateur apologists lately and I miss the good old days.

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

No, they dont. But also they are not the Teaching authority of the faith.

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

@@g.p.ryecroft Horn didn't leave Catholic Answers. Coffin has gone off the deep end, so he would have been fired by now anyways.

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

@@Seethi_C Thank you for the clarification. Yeah, Coffin has taken a strange turn. I appreciated his work exposing the vax, but the "bene vacantism" position was "off the deep end," as you well put it.

"Go to your bishop.". 😂🤣🤣🤣Said this Chicagoan

Salza makes no sense. SSPX Mass is invalid because it’s illicit. But it’s valid for some people! 😂

When are you going to pull your heads out of your duffle bags and acknowledge that if it wasn't for AB Lefebvre and the SSPX there would be no TLM today!! Thank God for AB Lefebvre and the SSPX!!!

Short answer: yes. Long answer: yeeeeeeeeees. I'm not saying everyone should flock to the SSPX chapels now, but come on. It's not this complicated. Give it a break already.

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you should watch the video and refute his points

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

The easiest way to confirm this is to ask your Diocesan Bishop if SSPX Masses fulfill your Sunday obligation. That's exactly what John Salza did, and he learned the answer was no. Thus he submitted to his bishop.

@NoSoupForYouu

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 His bishop is wrong because he's been influenced by modernism. God's authority is higher than his

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@NoSoupForYouu "influenced by modernism"... What does that even mean?

@brucebarber4104

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216, it means he's making himself his own pope, just like the prots.

Ok, I will ask James Martin?? What do you think he will say! This guy is a joke!

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: YEEEEES.

This is WRONG!

Ok, Matt, this is getting rediculous. He isn't an authority. Please get someone on that knows more than this guy. And why all the emphasis on the sspx of late.

@CascadiaStronk

Жыл бұрын

Because; - You WILL receive communion in the hand (as practiced by the early church, look it up) - You WILL receive communion from a eucharistic minister in shorts - You WILL hold hands during the Our Father - You WILL shake hands with the person next to you and say "peace be with you" - You WILL listen to the Epistle from a layperson (male or female) - You WILL have altar girls - You WILL have guitars played during the Mass And you will like it and will kiss the feet of Pope Francis weeping that you ever dared to question his righteous and God given authority. Stop fighting it tradtards (aka: protestant-lite). Novos Ordo will win and your silly little rebellion larp will be crushed. Pound sand. :)

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

The buzz is Bergoglio is going to drop the axe on the Latin Mass this spring, so the Novus Ordo footsoldiers have been given their marching orders to launch an agitprop takedown of SSPX and other TLM organizations.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

Жыл бұрын

@@CascadiaStronk I don't get what you're trying to say.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

You are under the authority of your Diocesan Bishop. Submit.

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

@@CascadiaStronk Loved your post! It made me laugh and then cry because it is sadly true and happening.

John Salza makes a very solid point on this one. Ignore the vitriol being swung in the comment section of the video.

@ironrex6979

Жыл бұрын

No he doesn’t

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

Bishop Athanasius Schneider disagrees with you.

@24erstad

Жыл бұрын

Benedict XVI, Burke, and Ripperger disagree with Schneider.

If, on a Sunday, and my only choice for Mass was SSPX or Eastern Orthodox, I would go to the EO Mass. At least, the EO doesn't pretend they are in union with the Bishop of Rome.

@MB-zn9vg

Жыл бұрын

Lofton, is that you?

@hanntonn2

Жыл бұрын

what? SSPX doesn't pretend anything. They truly believe to be in union with the Church and they adhere to all the catholic dogmas. EO are heretical. You can't be excused of not being sure that they are in communion or not.

@GR65330

Жыл бұрын

@@hanntonn2 The SSPX does not have canonical status within the Church, and their priests do not have the faculties to say public Mass. Therefore whenever a SSPX priest says public Mass, it is an act of disobedience to the local See and Rome. This is not a Mass that I would want to attend

@hudebnilidlprodukce5137

Жыл бұрын

Who is schismatic now? XD

@hanntonn2

Жыл бұрын

@@GR65330 The SSPX doesn't say public mass though. They only do it in their private chapels. They don't have a canonical status in the dioceses they serve, but a priest that visits his home town isn't in disobedience to Rome for saying a mass at his parents home just because he didn't ask his bishop for permission prior to that. You don't have to attend to any SSPX mass, but preferring heretics to the SSPX is some extreme bending of canon law.

Can. 1248 §1, which the SSPX uses in their defense: “A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.” If they are going to say you can fulfill your obligation at ANY “Mass celebrated in a Catholic rite,” then they’d have to acknowledge that any valid mass celebrated by a valid priest fulfills the obligation. But of course this is not the case. So how can they continue to use this in their defense?

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

Two things: 1) The Holy Catholic Church has the ultimate authority to interpret her own Canon Law in her proceedings. 2) SSPX do not have a Canonical status and therefore do not qualify as having a Catholic Rite, for the same reason that the Orthodox do not either.

@andym5995

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 just to clarify, I’m of the same opinion as John, that they do not fulfill the obligation. I’m just trying to understand why the SSPX thinks this canon vindicates them when it clearly does not.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@andym5995 My understanding is that they would refer to an old outdated Canon that existed before Vatican II anyways (which was obviously nullified). I think John Salza talks about this more in the full talk.

Jesus would be appalled at your word salad response😮.

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand does not equal word salad.😉

@nancybarry4150

Жыл бұрын

@@halleylujah247 to me he threw out lots of meaningless words. Celebrate Jesus when and wherever you can! Jesus wasn’t about rules to follow, Man put those rules in place not Jesus

@csongorarpad4670

Жыл бұрын

@@nancybarry4150 That is false, for Jesus himself, stated the following: "If you love me, keep my commandments:" - John 14:15. The Church teaches that there's rules (commandments) that we *must* follow if we wish to inherit eternal life. There are no if's and but's. You keep the Word of God and He will keep you or you do not keep yourself faithful to the Word of God and you will do well to remember that "thy damnation comes from thee."

@halleylujah247

Жыл бұрын

@@nancybarry4150 oh are you protestant? Sorry I assumed you were Catholic. Well since you are protestant, Jesus established a church with Peter as it's head. If you want to discuss the Catholic understanding of authority please reach out.

@TheJmlew11

Жыл бұрын

@@halleylujah247Just gotta say, you’re doing a great job of calling to task so many of the folks here!

Just found out that John Salza is a 'former' 32nd degree Freemason. Former Freemason??? 😂

@AnaMT1985

Жыл бұрын

Nice deflection and slander.

@hanntonn2

Жыл бұрын

What? That's all I would need to know if I didn't know he was wrong.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

Did you know that John Salza wrote the books, "Why Catholics Cannot be Masons" and "Masonry Unmasked: An Insider Reveals the Secrets of the Lodge"? Why would he continue to be a mason after publishing these books?

@hanntonn2

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdolder7216 False opposition. The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend, but that is how he legitimized himself in the eyes of Catholics. Why did he lie about Lefebvre saying the New Mass for 2 years?

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@hanntonn2 I tried to respond with a link, but my comment disappeared. (Link policy?) Anyways, check out Salza's blog post, "Did Abp. Lefebvre Say the New Mass? Kennedy Hall Only Makes Things Worse for Lefebvre and the SSPX". This addresses your concerns entirely, complete with citations.

Words words words

Of course a lawyer and former mason takes the Pharisaical-like written law arguments. Total lack of charity.

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

He is full of charity and humility. Your comment is not charitable. You act like calling him a former mason is a low blow or insult. Some of the greatest saints were formerly Christ’s enemies so I guess he’s in great company.

@NoSoupForYouu

Жыл бұрын

@@1hart go read up on what charity , REAL charity, not some modernist lukewarm definition. Then come back

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

@No Soup For You I've read what the saints have said what true charity is. I'll pray for you to be graced with some and a healthy dose of humility.

@Axe-of-Boniface

Жыл бұрын

@@1hart Sorry, I don't debate with women. Thank you.

@1hart

Жыл бұрын

@Draconian1 That's really wise on your part. 👏 😝Nothing I said was up for debate anyways.

He’s wrong. Some bishops are straight out heretical and I have no obligation to follow falsehood

Smash the trads? 😅

Can we all stop attacking each other and go back to fighting the perfidious Jews?

Bishop Schneider is in favor of the SSPX. And I will be unsubscribing from your channel.

@Seethi_C

Жыл бұрын

Bishop Schneider is not the Pope and is certainly not infallible

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

That's irrelevant because you submit to your Diocesan bishop.

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

Agatha, don't unsubscribe! Please don't punish Matt for what his guest says. Matt gives all sides a chance to speak and he's fair to all, so let's support him.

@TheJmlew11

Жыл бұрын

That’s quite sad that this is what will drive you away from the channel. Are you that insecure in yourself, that at the moment you hear something you don’t like you run?

@rover5261

Жыл бұрын

What does your local bishop say?

He's wrong.

Lots of heretical Catholics in the comments, yikes!! As Catholics we must submit to your local bishop, not your pridefulness.

@ofidiotabagista5259

Жыл бұрын

People are talking a lot about submitting to the local bishop, and in an ideal world that would be the easy way to settle anything, but what to do when your local bishop doesn't submit to the Church?

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@ofidiotabagista5259 SSPX bishops do not submit to the Church, so obviously that's off the menu.

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't we submit to God in his revealed Word? Don't forsake gathering together (Heb 10:5). It's that simple. Don't get hung up on who or where--gather with Christians to worship and encourage one another. Too many hireling bishops abandoning and misleading their flocks. I'm not sola scriptura, but I'm not sola ecclesia either.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@g.p.ryecroft The three pillars are Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium.

@CascadiaStronk

Жыл бұрын

Yes! So much this! Matthew 23:2-3 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you" It is not our job to discern this fictional "heresy" you nazitrads keep tooting your horn about. Infallible Pope Francis and by extension his Bishops will guide you in all matters concerning the faith. So be humble and submit to the NO Mass, tradtards.

Well said. The SSPX Masses do not fulfil the Sunday obligation because they are schismatic. We need to attend Masses only celebrated by Priests in full communion with the Catholic Church 👍

@ofidiotabagista5259

Жыл бұрын

How can they be schismatic if Pope Francis gave them jurisdiction to Minister some sacraments licitly some years ago?

@fosterparent7477

Жыл бұрын

they are not schismatic seeing that the popes have lifted the ex-communication on their bishops and priests. In this very video, he explained that you can meet your divine obligation. The Vatican has explained that their masses can be celebrated without it being a sin so long as the reasons are for celebrating the '62 missal and not in protest of the Pope. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but just wanted to set the record straight.

@andrewdolder7216

Жыл бұрын

@@ofidiotabagista5259 You're mistaken. Those sacraments are now valid but illicit. This was an act of mercy for the SSPX attendees who have no idea what is going on.

@NoSoupForYouu

Жыл бұрын

Literally not schismatic but ok. If only you took the time to actually learn instead of repeating modernist talking points

@ZachCatholic

Жыл бұрын

@@ofidiotabagista5259 they are because even the EO were given jurisdiction to administer Sacraments, but that doesn't make them non-schismatic. As Cardinal Burke says it's a juridical anomaly (given by the Holy Father out of charitable concern for those going to invalid confessions and marriages by the SSPX) but they are still in schism

Yes. It fulfills your obligation.

To me the only obligation i have is to live my live the best way without hurting anyone

@Leocomander

Жыл бұрын

Where do you get your moral standard for *living your best*? What does that mean exactly?

@csongorarpad4670

Жыл бұрын

So you're the one who dictates the obligations you're to follow? Sure sounds like Satanism to me - you've effectively made yourself your own "god"

@g.p.ryecroft

Жыл бұрын

Liam, Hebrews 10:5 says Christians should not forsake assembling together. That's the divine law. The Church, judging from Salza's hair-splitting and "give-and-take away" nuances coupled with pedantic commenters citing impenetrable paragraphs of canon law, is attempting to place a heavy yoke upon the shoulders of the faithful. Jesus said his yoke is easy and burden light.

@liamodonovan6610

Жыл бұрын

@@g.p.ryecroft it is a good thing iam not christian me like all non belivers will live without causing any harm

@liamodonovan6610

Жыл бұрын

@@Leocomander you don't need religion to have morals