Definitely cool information I've been playing golf for a year now and I just got my first range session on a track man and a club fitting. At nearly 40 years old I'm naturally swinging The club at 105 mph, flippin 2% club right into the trees LOL

Thank you for starting this video with your thesis, and then going through the details, instead of starting with some prolonged lead in.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Thanks so much!!! I really appreciate the feedback. I'm learning as we go in terms of keeping things more tight. Our media person has to reign me in as I love the science so can get going into the rabbit hole in a hurry.

Perfect timing, I have an M4 Taylormade driver set at 10º hitting it well but like everyone I want more distance and was about to lower the loft; saved me some time. I would still like to look into newer technology but will take my time with all this information in mind.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Really important to make sure you know AoA and swing speed as they'll give you a reasonable head start on knowing if you should increase loft. More people than not improve with higher loft but there are combinations where lower does help.

I heard your story about the father and son at the driving range. This was my experience also. I couldn’t hit my driver so I went to our local golf centre and after being correctly fit l’m now driving 240+

I started hitting up more with the driver and found I needed to lower my driver loft to get more distance. I lowered the loft by 2 degrees and started hitting it about 30 yards further than I ever had. My swing speed is about 100mph. So lowering loft combined with a slight swing change definitely worked for me.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

AoA is the key that is missed/ignored by so many people writing articles and doing video. If you can increase AoA and not lose swing speed and balance THEN moving to that lower loft gives you advantages. For 95% of players when they try to change AoA they go backwards in outcome because their balance gets messed up and they drop in contact quality. For those players increasing loft is a much better option. Nelly Korda swings negative AoA on her driver and fully says she is leaving distance on the table in exchange for reliable drives. I'd suggest her approach is working not too badly. Thanks for jumping in. Love it.

@cdunne1620

12 күн бұрын

.. can I ask what was your initial loft before changing down 2 degrees. I have similar numbers to you and use a 10.5 degree driver but am wondering about 9 degrees. I have 4 or 5 degrees up for angle of attack

@neilh4729

12 күн бұрын

@@cdunne1620 I went from a 9.5 to a 7.5. That's probably too low for most people, but I launch it pretty high so it works for me.

In my situation I was hitting my driver solid but it was going 190-200 yards with no rollout because I was hitting a 12 degree driver and obviously swinging up on the ball. I have now switched to a 9.5 degree driver and I am still carrying the ball 190-200 but now I am getting around 220 because I get a real good rollout!

@nobrien1

20 күн бұрын

Similar for me. I achieved the same improvement by adjusting mine from 10.5 to 9.5.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Yep the swinging up the the key to successful lower loft. Note in the video we did all the conversation at level swing patterns not upwards AoA. If you can get positive AoA and maintain speed and contact lowering is in the cards. Positive AoA is the exception. Even on tour negative AoA is the average if you accept Trackman's reports. Hence why most people do better with more rather than less loft.

I play almost every day most weeks 6 to 5 days a week. I have never had a problem with the rollout, but I have had problems with not hitting it far enough. Most people don't hit it far enough for the rollout to be a problem. It is actually most of the time a plus. For most people, the rollout you get out of a lower lofted club gets them up to and right behind the trouble. Which is the pufect shot. When you are hitting it short, you need the rollout. If it rolls out into the water, hit it straighter normally that is because you hit it to the left or right. When you hit it high, you are just basically laying back, and if you're a short hitter, you are making the whole a lot harder If you can't hit the lower lofted clubs by all means, use the higher lofted clubs. At the end of the day, you have to hit the ball, but don't worry about the rollout it isn't going to hurt you it will most of the time help you. To say rollout is bad is not right at all. Rollout is a bonus for most people. The only time I don't want it to rollout is when I'm hitting an iron. Rollout is the short hitters best friend. I see the older guys on the range almost every day trying to get their drivers to go lower and rollout and everyone keeps telling them to buy higher lofted clubs. Instead of buying higher lofted clubs, it would do you better to take a lesson to figure out how to hit the ball. You will hit it longer with more roll out. And you never here anyone complaining that they are hitting it to long and is making them rollout into the water. But I here them all the time complaining about not hitting it long enough.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for the contribution. We see two styles of players. Those who definitely are willing to scramble and play from bad positions in exchange for 15 more yards. Those who want to hit almost every fairway and have open looks. Just have to decide where you fit...no pun intended. With respect to lessons we did a video on this and will have some more videos coming with our Biomechanics Professor soon. Basics are that most people can't sustain the marginal gains they achieve when trying to learn how to hit a club that is ill suited for them. If you are a great athlete and committed to daily practice you can do that but if you are someone who just wants to play confidently once a week or so having a driver that is reliable and consistent is far more advantageous. Keep an eye out for some new videos coming from clients who are sharing their stories. New client last week took out his brand new driver and hit every fairway on his 9 holes played. It's real we get these results all the time.

How do you lower spin rate? What is the optimal AoA 85mph swing speed

So 100mph club head speed, producing 146-150 ball speed. Attack angle of 3deg up. What is ideal loft, launch angle and carry distance to look for ? Sea level.

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the question. I'll give you a quick and a touch extended answer Simplified answer is 13* roughly for max carry, touch less for max total distance. You get to decide if you are playing a course where you can give up 12 yards of carry for more roll out. However this simplified answer is often misleading and is why people write misleading articles or follow bad advice online. The simplified answer assumes square face and swing path. A good fitter will look at spin loft which is actually 3 dimensional (ie includes swing path). You'll also hear the term D-Plane from some companies. These additional characteristics of your swing can make a large change in your target parameters. Not understanding this is why many misleading articles on loft and distance exist. It's also why so many people are disappointed when they use an online fitting tool that only incorporates a handful of parameters and the driver they get doesn't perform as expected.

With a 10.5 degree driver and a low spin shaft I hit the ball 210 meters with a very high tracjectory and almost no roll. My swing soeed us 96 mph. Does that sound about right?

Depends on your clubhead speed.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Yep also AoA which is even more impactful. High launch low spin is the goal. Low launch low spin is not good.

I have a 65 to 70 mph swing speed and am 75 years of age if I use a 13 or 14 degree driver would I gain distance with a senior flex shaft Thanks

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

We have an interview coming out in about 10 days with a client of mine who is 75. We fit her into a new driver last year at 15* and the last weekend she hit 12 fairways regularly at 230 yards. He husband who is 79 played 9 holes and hit 6 fairways and had one drive over 250 yards with a 15* driver.

Without doubt, the best, most important vlog on GOLF I have viewed. This is SOP101 for everyone venturing onto a fairway. THANK YOU! (subscribed) #the_jacobs

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for the supportive thoughts. These videos are an act of love from our team as we don't do sponsors and ad revenue is pennies. The goal is to help combat so much of the bad information that causes people to experience the game as frustrating and hard. Look for a new video we have coming next week from a recent client. It's really wonderful.

I am at 4 handicap and I was fitted to a Stealth+ 8* @ 6.5* on Hzduz black 6.5 to lower call flight and I hate it. Playing at 8.75* gives me less carry and less roll but it’s more in play and has a mid flight

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

Hi Mike. Thanks for chiming in. I'm missing something in your comment as I think you said you were fit at 6.5 but are playing at 8.75 but have lower ball flight. If you can clarify for me I'll add a thought or two. Thanks!

@mikewilliams1479

Ай бұрын

@@FittedGolf I was fitted to an 8 degree head turn down to 6.5 degrees to lower the ball flight. Turning it up 8.75 degrees raises the flight and raised the spin quite a bit

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

​@@mikewilliams1479 Hi Mike. Thanks for the clarification. Bit longer answer below but I don't prefer when things are over simplified to make them more click bait like and as a side effect leave the person asking the question actually worse off. Hence the topic of this video :) First piece is yep as the loft of the driver increases, the spin rate does follow. However have a look at the chart at the 5 min mark of the video. Just freeze it to notice how you can actually have quite a large increase in spin and not have significant loss of distance. However it is a dance as the dotted line shows you the magic "best" spin rate at each launch angle and the associated distance that comes with it. That chart is for 85mph and given how you were fit I am guessing you are moving the driver much faster so don't use these numbers other than as an example of the relationship between optimum launch and spin. The point being spin rate isn't quite as critical as some people present in video and articles. It's an easy one for people to connect with so it's kind of low apples material. What is more relevant is all your D-Plane data (swing speed, smash factor, face to path, swing path etc) COMBINED with your swing tempo and release point. All these can drastically change your optimal driver setup vs just measuring swing speed and angle of attack (what many people do with a fit). Intuitively I'm also questioning your shaft selection. That's a 2 page conversation but simple answer is shaft imparts almost no meaningful mechanical advantage, no matter what the marketing people tell you. It's vastly more relevant to your biomechanical performance. Simple version think feel and tempo. The right shaft gives you feedback at every critical point in the swing path triggering you to move at your most optimal speed and timing. The wrong shaft messes with those triggers and completely unravels the swing causing slow down in head speed and poor repeatability of the swing. Side Note: Most amateurs, even aspiring players, actually have very repeatable swing patters WHEN MATCHED with a setup that is well suited to their biomechanics. We have a short video coming out on this exact topic in a couple weeks.. We also have some coming videos with our Biomechanics Professor talking about this and some other performance topics. I did a fit a few days ago for a player that reads very much like you are presenting. We redid his setup and just changing his shaft and the MOI of the club completely changed his feels and performance. He just played his new setup and loves it. And BTW his setup was optimal with his 6 year old driver vs the new one from the same manufacturer. Just sayin :)

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

@@mikewilliams1479 PS. The shaft change for the player I mentioned in the answer below.....it was significantly less expensive than the shaft that was in the club when he walked in the door. It was perfect....for him. Price has no relationship to suitability.

have your swing pattern analize then have fitted with loft you needed and of course do exercise so you'll have energy to swing that club.

My best hits with a 10.5* driver might land around 240. And I do come down into the strike. i would imagine that a 12* driver loft might gain me a few extra yards. I'll have to pick one up when I find a good sale on one.

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

If you are landing (this is key to my answer) in the 240 range my quick instinct is your clubhead speed is about 105 mph range. If you have a positive angle of attack at that speed your current loft is pretty close. If you are a bit more negative AOA you might see some gains from more loft but make sure to get that answer before you buy.

@bullrambler

14 күн бұрын

@@FittedGolf Since my previous note I adjusted a TM M2 driver with OEM S shaft to 12* and seem to be flushing it more consistently. Yardage gains might be about 15 yards.

i thought you chose your loft based on your avg launch angle closes to 17* ?

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for jumping in. Optimal launch angle is an interesting thing. In the video we put up a heat chart for an 85mph player. Notice how it's a relationship between launch angle and spin. Angle of Attack is the key piece (club path is relevant too but not as big an impact...no pun intended) So for say 85mph player your optimal launch angle can be from 12 to 17 degrees depending on your AoA. Hope that helps a bit with why you will see different people say they did better/worse with a loft change. They probably heard someone else with a similar swing speed say what they were trying for but didn't have the AoA part to consider.

8.5 to 9 degree driver 25 30 years ago was a hard club to hit and was a snap slice or a duck hook if not hit in the sweet spot. Same degree club today is much more forgiving…

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

There's a great video online from the DP World Tour showing current pros hitting older club heads. Middle shots were still pretty good but the off center performance was noticeable. Having said that I'm still playing a 15 year old driver that was fit for me in the US (start of my fitting excitement) and I still can't do better than that setup.

Too bad you are so far away. I’d be interested in your services. I’m in the Boston area. Know anyone reputable around here?

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Hi David. Shoot me an email I might have a lead for you. Thanks for watching BTW.

@aramavakian

4 күн бұрын

@@FittedGolf how about a lead for a good fitter in the Los Angeles area, seriously wish you were closer. My swing speed is 92mph just got fit into a G430 9*

Last year i get fitted for new TS2 driver Ts 3wood and Ts 7wood through a titleist sales rap, the worse thing i ever done he wasn't a qualified club fitter.

.. you should have offered your expert opinion to the dad, what’s the worst that could happen

So why do we go that way with irons. Modern day 5 irons are 23 deg, vs 10 years ago 28 deg

@richcummings9686

2 ай бұрын

Because modern irons launch the ball higher, so they have to deloft them

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

Hi Geoff. So there is mostly a cynical insiders answer and it's not technology. Distance sells. When you watch a video online and somebody hits an 8 iron 200 yards and stares magically at their club, that sells. Also if you like the phrase "follow the money", today people will need hybrids to fill the gaps where they can't hit their low lofted irons (more expensive per club) and also will need specialty wedges (more expensive per club) at the top of the set. There is almost nothing that a current head will do performance wise that a 10 year old head of the same loft did back then. The computers worked out the optimum math years ago for each design type (muscle back, perimeter weighted, aspiring players low weighted) You'd actually be surprised even with a pure players style blade to a full player improvement club how little the spin rate and launch angle changes when hit at the same loft with the same shaft using the same ball.....assuming hit squarely of course.

@annefilippobertozzi7601

2 күн бұрын

@@FittedGolfamen

Does buying a decent mic improve your sound?

Several months ago, I visited Club Champion in New York to see if a club or shaft change would improve my distance. He said my smash factor at my slow swing speed was excellent! He told me that re-fitting me would not help and that I needed to increase my swing speed??? I am very frustrated I need your advice. Thank you!

@packrat9433

18 күн бұрын

Kudos to them not selling you toys that will just make you unhappy!

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Hi Nathan. Thanks for jumping in. I'll try to help quickly but if you need more drop me an email and I'll reach out. Basically distance is swing speed + smash factor + launch angle +spin rate Swing speed is an interesting conversation all on it's own but lets assume you are kind of at a relatively steady number. Smash factor if it's excellent, good for you that's a huge piece. So that leaves launch/spin. Once those are optimized you are pretty much maxed out. So if everything is as good as it can be their answer, while it feels like maybe it was a bit abrupt sounding, from a technical perspective may be on track. I am hoping to bring in some content from our research team on speed. I can tell you that we have an AMAZING video coming out in about 3 weeks from a client who was paralyzed and worked his way back to golf. He added 8mph in our driver fitting while shortening his club. It's because the mechanics of the club suited him so well his body and timing sped up. Also check out next Friday's video. It's another amazing video of a lady who is over 75 and we did her fit and she hits it well over 200 yards and almost always in play. So there is possibility!!

Depends on swing speed and launch! The ball you use is a HUGE factor in the equation too! People always want to tinker with equipment when the ball they use could be the simple answer!

You need to soundproof that room, sound is almost unintelligible

@FittedGolf

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for that. We are trying different mikes to see if we can improve. We are a work in progress :)

Swing speed is 95-105, AoA averaged -3.6, launch angle averaged 16.5. I’ve been improving my swing since these numbers were taken, specifically shallowing the swing to improve AoA, but still neutral to negative. Idea on ideal loft?

Remember when golf was fun, just pick up your clubs ans play. Not today. Everyone making videos this is better that is better. Cut the crap and just enjoy the game

This guy is not right. Lowering your loft will increase your total distance. Thrse people are stupid and do not get the problems actual golfers are having with so much loft. First, I play lots of golf courses in the Dallas Ft. Worth area, and the rollout will help you not hurt you on almost every hole. This guy must not play golf or is trying to sell high lofted clubs Second, with these high lofted clubs, the ball is going way too high and coming down and stopping with at best 10 yards of roll. You are not losing carry unless you are already hitting the ball low with the high lofted clubs. You are actually gaining carry and ball roll. Instead of max 10 yards of roll, you are getting 30, and you're carrying the ball 10 to 15 yards farther. When I hit the drive, I go out and stand at where the ball stops rolling. I can almost touch where the ball hit the ground when using a high lofted club, say a 10-degree driver. If you want longer drives, get lower lofted drivers and stop trying to high it low, just hit it hard, and the lower lofted club will make it go lower. The only thing this guy has right is if you're hitting the high lofted clubs low, then lowering the loft will not help. That isn't the problem with what I'm seeing on the course. What I'm seeing is that the ball is going way too high and getting no roll at all. The only way the rollout will hurt you is if you are hitting the non roll, high lofted driver up close to the water or something and then hit the lower lofted clubs into the water. That is not what people who want to hit the ball farther are facing. We are hitting it so far back from the water that we can't get it over the water on our second shot. That or we are having to play the front tees because we need the 20 yards that we would get if we had a lower lofted club. How do you know of a lower lofted clube will help you. That really is easy to figure out. Just check and see what you roll out is if it is only about 10 to 15 yards on medium firm fairways, then you need a lower loft. If you are hitting it any distance at all, but if you are hitting it at least 150 yards in the air, you should be getting at lest 30 yards of roll

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the passionate reply! I understand when people invest in an idea and feel fired up about conflicting information. This is exactly why we've put the channel together. Have a look at the heat chart at the 5 min mark of the video. Too low a loft will crush your distance. That number is different at every swing speed.

@harryp.1679

Ай бұрын

Slow swing speed plus negative AoA and open club face results in high spin, high launch and short carry; in that case lower lofted driver would help,

@FittedGolf

Ай бұрын

@@harryp.1679 Hi Harry....I hope I guessed that correctly from your handle. Thanks for contributing to the conversation! Spin loft is 3 dimensional so it's always possible to have a swing style that requires we pull down the driver loft to overcome a unique approach to contact. An artificially high spin loft, is very often a byproduct of a player who started with a driver that was too low lofted. In response they taught themselves to manipulate their swing in a way that increased spin loft thus making the driver more effective. The low lofted driver literally shaped their swing to be bad in order to allow the driver to work somewhat effectively. Not all cases in the studio but a huge proportion. Just finished with this exact issue tonight Changed the player from 9 to 11.5* and they gained 35 yards immediately. Some of this gain was a byproduct of the loft on the driver allowing them to change to a more effective swing path improving both contact performance (smash) and swing speed. Thanks again for participating in the conversations. Love seeing what people are thinking about.

@stephenrose4582

14 күн бұрын

@@harryp.1679An open club face with a lower lofted driver is a recipe for disaster. You’ll end up with the ball further right and likely shorter than a higher lofted driver.

@Criscross292

4 күн бұрын

@@harryp.1679Not for me. That’s a guaranteed ‘fore’ right on the course. Under 95mph swing speed and negative angle of attack does well with a higher loft, and a more flexible (and shorter shaft). But most guys won’t do that. It sounds way too wimpy 😅

I have seen numerous videos claiming lowering the loft reduces backspin and increases distance?