I have never4 know anyone to actually SAVE money by reloading, we just get to shoot a bit more for the same cash outlay ;-)

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

True.

@snowballcorners

7 жыл бұрын

AMEN.

Another thing to bear in mind when considering costs is whether you already load for other gauges. In that case, and depending on what you're shooting the .410 for, you can share primers and shot with the other gauge(s) and that's one or two less components you have to buy separately.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Some things are constant with reloading costs regardless of the gauge (primers, wads) while others like shot and powder can very the cost of reloads considerably.

I priced up the components in the UK and it works out £1 cheaper per 25 .410. If I did some shopping around I could maybe save a little more. So for now I will just buy them. This is still useful advice though, I intend to make up a little reloading kit and have the powder, shot and primers, it would be reassuring to have the ability to reload if there was a massive price hike, or something made .410 hard to get. Thanks for the info.

@314299

6 жыл бұрын

You did the right thing to price components in your local area. Some folks get good prices on components, others pay way too much.

I have been reloading .410 shells for 3 years with a homemade tool I made. Remove the primer, clean it up and seat a new primer. I use 2400. Powder, shot cup, and shot. Cardboard on top and I use a tool that rolls the rim with a drill. The only thing I don't do is resize but since I use it in the same shotgun I haven't had a problem. The only shotgun currently worth reloading. Good to see you putting videos out still.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Did you make the crimper or buy one?

@forrestry

9 жыл бұрын

314299 Shooting Channel That's the only thing I did buy. Until then I used just a shot card and a dab of white glue.That worked well. I can't take credit for the idea. I came across it in "The Backwoodsman". I can reload a shell for 0.25 compared to purchasing one for 0.75. And bear in my mind I just use the reloads in my single shot for grouse.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

forrestry I have a buddy who reloads his black powder 12 gauge shells using a cut down hull, top card and white glue to hold the top card in place. Does not look pretty but it works.

@forrestry

9 жыл бұрын

314299 Shooting Channel Haha. You are right. I've even tried BP in my .410 loads. The only reason I use my homemade job is I cannot justify the expense of a MEC loader. It does the job and I consider it very safe. For as many as I reload it does the job all right. Always a pleasure chatting with you. Keep the great videos coming.

I'm really surprised that you don't have a shot maker. Making your own shot is about a cheap as you can get. It works fine for busting clay targets and small game hunting. I wound research getting just a ladle to house the tippets in the size you want, You could use just a cheap stump burner as a heat source. I can make #8, #9 #7 1/2. Real money saver. Great video!! Dave.

@314299

Жыл бұрын

I actually have the parts to make a shot maker, might have to wait until I retire to put it together.

Sadly here in Canada reloading components are so expensive that there no gain buying a 600 loader at $600. And in Quebec it's more and very difficult to get.

@314299

Жыл бұрын

At the moment it is true that components are expensive and/or hard to get, however it is also difficult and expensive to get loaded 410 shells. Hopefully with time the situation will change and components and shells will get back to a more "normal" situation.

I'm saving up for a break action.410 (with smooth and rifled barrels) and I'm going to reload for it.

@314299

6 жыл бұрын

Reloading the .410 is really the only way to go if you want to shoot a fair bit.

@MegaAppleshit

5 жыл бұрын

What is a rifled 410 barrel good for? Do they even make sabots for 410?

Hi there, did you ever do a video on making .410 brass from .303brit?

@314299

4 жыл бұрын

No I have not. With KZreads current "rules" they would probably just delete such a video if I did upload it.

My local shooting range only allows slugs. I started to cast my own lead 12 gauge slugs and I also picked up a few hundred empty 410 hulls at that same range. I read some place online that you can fill a worn out 9mm brass case with melted lead and load it into a 410 shell to act as a slug. The 9mm case is small enough to pass through a full choke. Have you ever tried doing that ?

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+Prepare2Survive No, I've not tried that. I cant imagine that such a projectile would shoot accurately or be stable.

@GeoffAlbertson

4 жыл бұрын

9mm case is good for 20 yds before it tumbles. Load head forward. Fits mod choke and larger. Avoid full choke. My 40 cal bullets are much better. Rifled barrel for distance.

Old post, but now the only way for most to shoot 410 shot gun is to reload.

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, around here .410 shells cannot be found on the shelves of any of the stores for several months. I've sold off some of my factory loaded 3" 410 shells to hunters who needed them, since I have a loader and components I can make my own 3" shells as necessary.

I love my mec relaoder , i just converted it to 3" shell's I've been reloading my own since 1976 I love it ' I have the 2 1/2 " judge i can shoot till i'm blue in the face ' It takes me 5 minutes to convert my reloader to 3" ! Good video ' Thankyou sir .

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I came across a second MEC 410 loader so I have one set up for 2-1/2" and one for 3".

@tkarlmann

10 ай бұрын

Do you have the Mec Jr. or the Sizemaster?

excellent! I just came onto a bolt action .410 and was crying about the cost of shooting it

@314299

6 жыл бұрын

Certainly makes sense to reload the .410 if you plan on any amount of shooting with it.

Have you run into any shotgun shell or rifle round where it does not pay to reload? When I do the math I find that reloading 223 Rem saves some money but not as much as I would like. If I take the cost of the dies and press into account, it will take me a long time to break even. I enjoy doing it, though, so that makes it worth it.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

There is no saving to be had on loading 7.62x39mm (compared to surplus ammo), or 12 gauge 1-1/8 ounce shells. As you noted there is very little savings to be had loading .223, or 9mm (if you load jacked bullets). As always it boils down to how much you have to pay for components, you have to shop around and buy in bulk to get the best deals.

Another reason to go the way of the 410

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

& reload it!

I paid $40 a box for 6 shot fiocchi..... My son better be glad he loves me

@314299

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the current price of .410 shells is crazy. I have seen 3" 410 for as much as $50 a box.

.444 marlin brass for 2 1/2 inch .410 shells.. 9.3 x 74r for full 3 inch brass shells

@314299

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately neither of those cases is common or cheap.

I’ve been thinking of getting into shotgun reloading I do pistol and rifle more for a hobby I probably don’t save a ton of money. Do you think 20 gauge standard 7/8oz 8 shoot is worth it considering Walmart 20 bucks for 100 is readily available

@314299

6 жыл бұрын

That depends on how much you shoot and how much the components cost in your area. If you only shoot a little reloading is probably not worth it, if you shoot a few thousand shells a year the per box savings add up. Where I live Walmart wants $35 for 100 shells, so reloading is worth it for me, if they were $20 per 100 I would just buy them.

Have you try to find the primer for shot shell?

@314299

Жыл бұрын

I bought a carton of them today, they were $65 (Canadian $) plus tax for 1000. That is about $47 in US funds. That's over double what they cost when the video was made. On the other hand .410 shells are almost impossible to get at the moment so that makes reloading all the more attractive, if you can get components.

You can also buy a box of 12 gage and take them apart you get your powder and primer and your shot for a lot less . And sell the the 12g casing and wad to someone or trade for new primers .👍🇺🇸🦦

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Never use the powder from 12 gauge shells to reload .410's! Powders appropriate for use in the .410 shell are the slowest of shotgun powders, while those used in 12 gauge shells tend to be very fast burning, use of such powder in a 410 would cause excessive pressure that might possibly destroy the gun and injure the shooter.

@Bittydog1956

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 thank you for that . I guess I was saying don’t reload anything with checking the loads but to have the lead and the primers helps . Again thank you 👍🦦

I know this is a old video, but goodness, things have gotten a lot more expensive and another thing Ive noticed is that people are buying out Lee and other makers and then selling it marked up on ebay for a profit.. Like the load all 2,, it was 50 bucks on lee.. I had to pay 100 bucks to actually get one for 12 gauge.. And then you cant find primers anywhere.. Unreal..

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's the current environment, especially in the USA.

@oldmanpatriot1490

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Funny.. I was just watching your video on the 1960 Lee Enfirld .410 Musket 1Z ammo when you wrote back..

Lucky you! I live in Illinois, and my local "Gun Club" seems to be fairly well populated with Democrats, and I just don't see the savings you see. Plus, the trap ranges in my area cost $300/year + a cost per line for trap or skeet -- this is expensive, too. (BTW: I really laughed when you quoted you price for Primers!!!, This is 2023 -- Primers seem to be holding steady at 2-3 TIMES what they _used_ to cost)

@314299

10 ай бұрын

Some of the guys who run the local club here are interested in economy when it comes to shooting so the club pretty much sells components at cost. As for "Democrats" here we have "Liberals", which is like a Democrat only several times worse and there are a couple of them at the club who I occasionally tell off for their stupidity and corruption. As I live in a fairly small place I think our club is a bit like other clubs were 40+ years ago. I had to look to see when I did this video and being as it was eight years ago there has been a heck of change in component prices, especially primers. Now a package of 1000 is now $75.

Sorry I tried to get the name of that loader you talked about,..is it a Mek ? Is this how it's spelled ? And can we buy this unit in Canada ?

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

It's "MEC". www.mecshootingsports.com/p-382-600-jr-mark-v.aspx MEC loaders are sold by many retailers in Canada, your local gun shop should be able to order you one. I think Lawry Shooting Sports is the distributor in Canada.

good video

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Is it works on all sizes of cartridges

@314299

7 жыл бұрын

Lee made kits for all the common gauges and shell length, you need a kit for each gauge and length of shell you want to load.

It saves $ an keeps ya out of trouble !!! It's a good way to learn !!! Full brass is way to go !!! Learn lathe an make whatever ya need !!!

@314299

Жыл бұрын

Brass cases are fine for low volume shooters but they are really not really suitable for those who tend to shoot a lot of 410. For instance competitive skeet shooters will generally have flats of shells ready to go to a shoot, that is not something that is practical to do with brass case shells.

@williamcollins4082

Жыл бұрын

@@314299 if ya got help , here reload these "Quick" while in the field ???

I think so, what with new .410 shells selling for upwards of a dollar each these days.

@314299

5 ай бұрын

Up here a box of 2-1/2" 410 shells is over $40.

Great video. I don't find myself shooting a lot of .410, but it definitely pays to reload if you do. The shotgun Lee Loaders really seem to draw a premium.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

Yes the Shotgun Lee Loaders do command a premium price, you can often get a used press for the same price or less.

I would if I could find primers...

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Lot's of 209 shotgun primers where I live.

@oldmanpatriot1490

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Are they at a place where I can look and buy online and have some shipped to me?

I find I save more money on .410's than any other shot shells except maybe 28 gauge. How much did you say you paid for that press??????? My first Mac 600jr, in 1968 was around $18 dollars!!!!!!

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I've had the press a long time, got it new for $150 if my memory serves me correctly.

Yep - reloading these for this year. I shoot chipmunks so that they don't get into my house and start chewing up the insulation and wood. Last year shot over 30 of them. Not going to buy new shells. I am going to go the way with brass. I have seen some videos on this and I am wondering if you have done any of these. Thanks.

@314299

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, but really not worth the bother compared to loading regular plastic shells.

Birdshot is cheap enough I'll buy factory, but buck and slugs are not.

I see there is a copy of the lee loader being made in 410, and for just $30. Want to buy and test it for the rest of us?

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

That would be a "Lanes Hand Loader". I've heard mixed things about the quality of these tools, I'm really not interested in buying one.

@toddy2519

8 жыл бұрын

+314299 Shooting Channel I bought one of those Lane kits...don't bother

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+toddy2519 The Lanes set is not worth buying?

@toddy2519

8 жыл бұрын

314299 Shooting Channel The sizing "die" was designed to be placed into a vise (it's just a small square piece of steel with a hole in it)...hull resized and then open the vise...put it back in the vise and the hull pushed out...a real pain in the ass. I wrote the maker and suggested the "die" be lengthened so it fits over an open vise so that ya just flip the die over and push it out. He got a little defensive with me over the suggestion. It would have cost him less than $1 to make that change. The optional primer seater is okay...not great...just okay. Because of the sizer shortcomings, I looked around and found a Lee Loader for about $40 and later a MEC Jr. for .410 and paid about $100 for it.

@314299

8 жыл бұрын

+toddy2519 Thanks for the info.

not a matter of it paying... it's a matter of availability.......

@314299

4 жыл бұрын

If you can't get shells you often have difficulties getting powder and primers to load them.

who cares what it costs...its the fun of doing some reloads that you can customize

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't care about the cost good for you. Most people however get into reloading shot shells so they can shoot more for the same money. If I could buy 410 shells cheaper than I can reload them I would seldom bother with reloading, after you have reloaded tens of thousands of shells the "fun" wears off.

Ofcourse you do. 25 twelve gauge for seven bucks as opposed to 25 410 at about fifteen bucks. You do the math

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Of course I do what? Save money by reloading 410 shells? Yes, that's what the video was about.....

waw i payed $80 for a bag of #8shot 25lb bag at bass pro think i was riped off

@303canadiana9

9 жыл бұрын

Sorry to say, but you got ripped off.

@314299

9 жыл бұрын

$80! Wow that's expensive. Personally I cant see paying that much, but then again I remember paying $17 a 25lb bag.

cost comparision is no good. not an accurate reflection of handload vs purchased shotshells. should have included the cases in such a "test" since not all of us get free hulls. this did not reflect a true comparision.

@314299

7 жыл бұрын

I mention the hull price at 7:36 in the video. In my case I get hulls for free, so the cost comparison is 100% accurate for me, in my location, at the time the video was made. To be accurate for your reloads you need to do your own research to see what components will cost in your area, that might include buying hulls. Your welcome and have a nice day.

@GeoffAlbertson

4 жыл бұрын

Hulls are 5 cents for 2.5 inch or 10 cents for 3 inch single used. I use these at least 10 times, so negligible cost. Free at every range, so buying is just a convenience option. Brass never wears out, but I prefer plastic for my loader.