We should be at our best when we go to church whether that's jeans , etc., as long as youve made the effort to be presentable. God knows our hearts and thoughts, and intentions. Lets honor God with our whole being. God bless family❤

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. It's about respect. These women today dress immodestly in church and men go to show off their expensive suits

@kelle0285

5 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283Lots of men don't wear suits to church anymore. It's usually jeans and T-shirts

@Nicki-jc9tx

4 ай бұрын

IMO, I think that dressing up( suits and ties, Fancy dresses, etc.) might be a point of someone from a different life style or someone from the streets, or someone afraid to attend because their clothes aren't good enough , could very well get lost in the shuffle. Respectful inside and outside but not focused on image, it's about loving each other and God brings them in to see this love and acceptance in action.

He's right. Shoes were taken off at Sinai.

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

God was at Sinai. God isn't with this guy. Comparing what happened at Sinai with the lifeless message from this guy is really impressive. No Christian is going to hear this and think, "I want to go after God more."

@tannermoldenhauer5876

6 ай бұрын

Then that christain has not contemplated the holiness of God. You make an assumption in a small clip without the broader context of how God has commanded us to worship him. Also, secondarily, church isn't about the Christian "going" after God, rather God equipping the saints for works of service to God's own glory. God is the same today as He was at Sianai.

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

@@tannermoldenhauer5876 Wow. According to you, a pastor is not supposed to encourage us to want to go after God more......just think about that for a while. If you can't see how twisted that is, I'll pray for you.

@tannermoldenhauer5876

6 ай бұрын

@palepants9475 again you have shown your narrow mindedness and "ability" to understand the mind of someone else by taking a comment and extrapolating it to somewhere other than what was said. I didn't say nor infer a pastor shouldn't encourage a paritioner to deepen a relationship with God. I stated the purpose of church was not what your were alluding it to be. Please read Ephesians 4. Imagine Paul coming into Corinth and saying "Hey bud go after God" just go after God. Or perhaps your forgot romans 7:18 ...just go after God ...go buddy go after God. Or perhaps God reveals His glory to us and then out of a position of reverence we worship Him and wish to drawer near.

When appearing before a judge in a court hearing. You are ask not to wear shorts or flip flops or you will not be allowed to engage the judge. How more important to come clean and presentable before the Holy of Holy?

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

God is with you 24/7/365, IF you are a believer. Does that mean you have to wear a suit all day, every day?

@JoshuaMSOG7

3 ай бұрын

@@palepants9475So we shouldn’t show up at church our best? Only in weddings? Only job interviews? Only try our best not to be like the heathen at the beach? I wonder how you dress your daughters or allow your wife to present YOU when she’s around other people such as men or the congregation …. says a lot about you.

I don’t think he’s saying we need to be suit and tie, or buttoned up dazzling, but definitely with some dignity and respect towards ourselves and how we present ourselves to the altar of God. Even casual fit is fine.

@wyeoarwyeknotnothing3107

7 ай бұрын

God always requires our best. In everything. That includes how we dress to approach Him in worship. We don't wear suits and dresses to impress others, but to show our respect to God.

Modest apparel. Thank you 1 Timothy‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;”

@danystana6245

Жыл бұрын

One of the most intentionally neglected verse in the Bible

@jordanmarshall2872

10 ай бұрын

This was a verse that was set for Roman believers who at that time the woman would wear such things basically like a fashion statement among other women.. Paul wrote these things to Timothy to correct the church in Ephesus. Context matters you cannot pick a verse out of context and assume a meaning

@DrDoerk

9 ай бұрын

​@@jordanmarshall2872women do the exact same thing today pal...

@wojo9732

9 ай бұрын

​@@jordanmarshall2872and you still see it today, even more so

@MisterJonVox

8 ай бұрын

​@jordanmarshall2872 you mean like what you've learned? Does God hate sinners?

I attended Saint Andrew's Chapel where Dr. RC pastored. RC always wore a suit and tie. And so did I. And it was an honor to do so. Not because of some allegiance to RC. But because of my reverence for who it is we are coming together to worship.

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

People are hurting for many reasons. Health problems where doctors give no hope. Loneliness. Broken families. Did he ever preach anything to give people actual hope for things that are actually happening?

We have to be repectfully dressed

@KrisVComm

9 ай бұрын

What is respectful in one culture may not be acceptable in another. So many "Christians" are just like the Jews who turn everything from grace back into legalism. Nobody is suggesting that we go to church naked or resembling whores and pimps. It is really very simple, honor God with your whole heart and be modest. God doesn't require special ties, turbans, or sports coats. What Gospel are you believing in? Galatians was written to help you understand the freedom which is in Christ.

@JoshuaMSOG7

9 ай бұрын

@@KrisVCommI hope you have a high standard and not a hypocritical one when it comes to a wedding. Take example your wedding, matter fact ; your children’s wedding. Would you be okay if people, ALL THE PEOPLE weren’t dressed appropriate? What people want to call legalism is what they don’t like. Nobody is looking at the outside but I certainly see hypocrisy when it comes to other feast, thanksgiving ceremonies, funerals ect.. but when it comes to church “ Dress as you want just not as ‘whores’. I wonder how you dress your children to church with the standard your trying to defend.

@KrisVComm

9 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaMSOG7 So you dress for a wedding every day of worship, do you? Somewhere between the two extremes is probably where you should read my comments. You do realize that a tie, for example, is a purely Western concept. God is much more merciful than you are...and the Gospel is far less legalistic. When I go to a wedding, I dress appropriately. When I do to church I dress appropriately. Perhaps you enjoy wearing clothes which set you apart and using long winded prayers to magnify yourself before men. God cares so much more about your coming to Him to receive from Him than He does your wardrobe. As I said before, take a shower, wear clean clothes, and this is quite enough. Perhaps you forgot that your Heavenly Father sees you in your shower as well. Perhaps if you were born a couple thousand years ago you could entertain the position of the Pharisees. I am quite sure you'd find plenty of "yes-men" there. Now then, go back and read. I did not in any place suggest that a person should enter the congregation as a hobo however, would a homeless person seeking repentance and faith be welcome in your house of worship? I rather think you would be offended. As for the wedding, don't you worry, that will indeed take place and the fact of the matter is that your clothes will not suffice. Your clothes are stinking filthy human works in His sight. This is why HE CLOTHES US according to what PLEASES HIM. One wonders if you truly understand the Gospel.

@HappyPenguin75034

9 ай бұрын

@@KrisVComm freedom doesn’t mean do whatever you want. doulos!

@KrisVComm

9 ай бұрын

@@HappyPenguin75034 freedom of the will in theological discussions generally has reference to stating a belief that fallen man has the ability within himself to choose God. This is an error. Why? Because the will is always tethered to and subordinate to the nature. You mentioned “doing what you want”. What is “want”? Do you mean “desire”? That is the usual synonym. If freedom of the will is freedom to do that which you want to do, then yes…men always are doing what they want and desire. I never suggested this is freedom. The will is the faculty of man that desires. The desires of man illustrate that man’s nature. Since all men are born in bondage to sin, their wills follow suit. As goes the nature, so goes the will. The two are not divorced. The nature controls and governs the will. The will chooses according the the nature. The nature of man is bondage to sin. Therefore his will also is enslaved. This is why we cannot say that man has a free will. He doesn’t. He has a bound will. This is precisely why John clearly says that all who receive Jesus do so, NOT as a result of either their “will” or “desire”. Rather, God must be the one who acts. Read John 1 again and see that he is emphasizing that man does not have the innate ability to freely choose God. Man does nothing freely because man is not free. Man can only be freed by the sovereign action of the Son of God. This is why Jesus must first make you free. All whom the Son sets free are free indeed. Yes…duolos. Man is a slave to sin. This is seen in the fact that man sins daily, even momentarily. You are slaves of the one whom you obey. Now then, once the son sets you free, you are given a new nature with new “wants” So then, the free man is now doing what he “wants” and this is true because the Spirit of God Has made him a new creation and he now has new desires. The natural man does not have a free will. His will is bound, though he will never admit to this. The natural man wishes to be his own god. He will maintain that he is able to choose god, yet he cannot submit and subject himself to the things of God because he is at war with God. Where in all of scripture do we read of man being liberated by his own “free will”? We don’t

Boy.. so many commenters are missing the point. The point here is: God demands reverence- which includes how we present ourselves in His house of worship. We are to be dressing ourselves in reverence, honour, love, respect of Almighty God. Nothing to do with ‘designer clothes and jewellery.’ Stop trying to ‘justify’ anything you like, be it beach wear, or over-the-top expensive clothes,etc. God Almighty has not changed an iota, Neither has His Word-mankind has. Therein lies the problem.. Stop trying to offer strawman arguments to justify making this some sort of ‘cultural’ issue. It isn’t. God Almighty demands- deserves our BEST. Period.

@clayton4917

8 ай бұрын

So suit and tie? What brand?

@Walkeraish

6 ай бұрын

We allready are dressed in our best. The rightousness of Lord Jesus Christ.

@JoshuaMSOG7

3 ай бұрын

@@clayton4917How about short, ripped jeans and Sandals … what kind should I buy or wear to go to your wedding?

@JoshuaMSOG7

3 ай бұрын

@@WalkeraishSo if God changed out inside … doesn’t that mean the outside should represent what’s inside? Please reply so I can bring out 1 of many examples to show the flaw in your logic. I can think of prostitution and how women dress at clubs but I’ll let you reply first .. go ahead

@Walkeraish

3 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaMSOG7 Thank you for your question, even though for it's carnal and pridefull tone. I will try to explain to the best of my ability of what the Bible teach on the subject. 1 Sam 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart. God does not judge us by our looks, so in Gods eyes even tho this passage talks about our bodily appearances, Greek word Opsis, which means face, we can assert this passage to our entire body, in how we look. Furthermore 1 Peter 3:3-4 clears this up for us: Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. Even thos this passage is in context ment for women, we men can draw some guidelines from it too, as to not let the focus be on how we dress, but let us represent Christ in how we act and in our actions, that should be pointing towards Christ. Jesus did not wear fancy clothes, just a seamless tunic ( John 19:33-34 ) Women care commanded to dress modestly in 1 Tim 2:9-10 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. Again I think men can take some notes and reflect on this in how they represent them self. James 2:2-4 command us not to judge a book by ot's cover or discriminate those who don't wear nice clothes: 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Our prayer should always be on to do His will Psalm 40:8 The Church of Laodicea was famous for their clothing industry, medicine and their banking. It represent much of the church in these days. Jesus does not command us to choose a certain style of clothes, other than in modesty, decency and propriety. Hope that helps. God Bless

It’s more about what you wear and what that says about your heart attitude. You’re always before God from when you wear pajamas at night, dress clothes for work, gym clothes for working out, beach clothes when on the beach, ect. But all of these scenarios are dressing for an occasion. There’s an appropriate way to dress depending on what the occasion is. You wouldn’t wear beach clothes at an interview, you wouldn’t wear pajamas in court, you wouldn’t wearing gym clothes at a wedding. What is the occasion when you come before God to corporate worship? It should be respectful, presentable, appropriate. Not casual, careless, and lazy. That’s what RC is trying to say. Yeah, Moses took his sandals off. The point is not that God wants people to only worship Him barefoot. God had declared the ground holy and instructed Moses to remove his shoes because of it. His holiness was the reason for Moses to come before Him differently. This was not ordinary ground. We also have to consider where we are when we come before God to worship. We must have clean hands, pure heart, repentant and in an appropriate way consistent with who He is.

Pastor RC Sproul is greatly missed. "Keep my Sabbath days of rest, and show reverence toward my sanctuary. I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:30

Not surprised by the comment section. Reveals our current culture.

It's true and it really burdens me when I see so called Christians wearing these outfit on Sunday and the worst is the pastors are doing the same look at pastor Francis Chan who wears slippers on Sunday when preaching. Yet we look up to him as a man of God.

Got to say though R.C. that God told Moses to remove his shoes because the ground was holy. So, to be technical, we shouldn't wear shoes in church if we believe that's where we are in God's presence.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

So what your saying is we can dress immodestly because Moses took off his shoes?? I get your point but it doesn't do anything to the truth that RC just raised.

@nobuckle40

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283 Not immodestly. But to the best of one's ability. If God has provided nicer than average clothes for you, then by all means dress in the best that God has provided you with. The same goes for those whose clothing may be considered average. Not sure that I would agree with wearing flip flops and shorts if one has nicer clothing to choose from. But if that is all you have then do your best to be presentable before God in that. Christ had the universe at his disposal, and yet, by all indication, he did not dress as nicely as the hypocrites. The discussion could go on forever. Thank you for your input.

While I agree God looks at our hearts, Remember who it is you're dedicating an hour or so to once a week and Dress accordingly

@blakep.7706

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@MAVRIC829

Жыл бұрын

Umm...if you're only dedicating one hour a week to God you're just going through the motions to appease yourself.

@jacobhargiss9909

11 ай бұрын

​@@MAVRIC829 he's talking about church service here. Not the time we spend studying his word or in prayer in the privacy of our own dwelling.

@user-kh2vc9fc9f

9 ай бұрын

I’ve dedicated my life to God. Each moment I live the Holy Spirit dwells inside me. The church is just a place where I meet with other believers. It’s no more special than my own house. I need to dress respectfully always because my body is a temple. But there is no reason for me to dress up for fellow believers. People really give the church service too much credit. It’s stifles our walk with Him the rest of the week.

Funny you should say Mount Sinai because in that desert instead of shorts they wore gowns and sandals which are very close to flip flops. But he's saying to be fully clothed, to honor God with your decency and principal and honor so as not to be a distraction two others.

in mount sinai yes. .in mount zion? i dont think so. . yes to dat shoe and tie but we shud knOw dat at home we dnt get to do dat wen we come to him in prayer and woship. .we are nO loNger in mOunt sinai. .

Matthew 22:11

When you go to the beach you wear shorts, when it's cold out you dress appropriately, when you go to court you put on a suit... but when you stand before a Holy God who gave his only Son to be tied to a tree for you - who reached down into the depths and rescued you - that same God - ur saying it doesn't matter how you come before that God?! It's about the Mentality - and having a Clear perspective of who God is will tell you you Ought to come with the upmost respect in every aspect. This includes how you present urself. A poor man can come b4 God in Rags because that maybe all he has - and if that's the case that is 100% the Best he has. He's coming correct. It's people who treat God Casually who really have no clue who he really is. It's crazy how people try to justify treating God Casually - however when they go before a local judge they wouldn't dare be caught without a suit. It's a shame.

@danielortega9943

11 ай бұрын

We arent coming before God, we are going to church. God is with us always, even when your in your bedroom/bathroom/etc. When you pray to God at home do you dress up? Do you halt and run into your wardrobe to get that Sunday best on when praying to God in your bed before sleeping? God is Spirit, where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. Dont be a hippocrit, its nonesensical to throw a burden of clothes and outward appearance on your brothers in Christ. If its your conviction, you do it. Try encouraging brothers and sisters to dress humbly and modestly. Not being sexually provacative....but also not adorned in crazy expensive clothes either. It isnt modesty dressing in the thousand dollar suit.

@Th4ox

11 ай бұрын

He is the one and only eternal judge of souls the owner of every physical and spiritual plane the creator of the atomic and subatomic Atoms. He keeps every atom every molecule and replaces them when they pass. He keeps track of all the chemistry set of your entire body the pumping of your the firing of your brain your immune system and your respiratory system so that you may live and he is your breath of life. Now how would you dress before this judge and in what torment could you put away to smile and worship the eternal living God. Those who are in persecution are closest to me. Those who love me keep my Commandments

Maybe God doesn't care because God looks inside but we should always present ourselves in a decent manner when we are able to,

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

To say God doesn't care is a lie my friend. What I dress in the outside is only an indicator of what's on the inside. If you see a mass murderer, would you say they are probably good on the inside?? If you see a man walking down the street in a Speedo, would you say He is a righteous man? Or would you know that man is bound to lust and immodesty?

God looks at hearts but people look at people. If you dress in a way that seems to be not appropriate to the setting, I think its a problem. Don't cause others to stumble. I never dressed fancy. But I have tattoos and I cover them all In a nice sweater and dress pants. Consider how you present yourself to others and to the lord.

Modesty is how GOD wants us to dress. Not show off how much money we have. Not everyone can afford a suit. Not everyone can afford nice clothes. You cause people to shy away from church when you expect people to come to church dressed a certain way. Be better, don"t act better!

I love RC but I don’t understand his basis for this.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

His basis is reverence to God

@AmandaSmith-77777

6 ай бұрын

Leviticus 19:30

Somebody wanna tell this fool that his tie is crooked? What good is the best Brooks Brothers suit if my heart isn’t right?

@JoshuaMSOG7

9 ай бұрын

This fool? Says a lot about how you treat someone you don’t agree with. That guy probably did more for the ministry in-front thousands and wrote many books and brought many to Christ including myself than you did in your life. Ignorant child, you deserve 0 respect for that comment, tells me a lot about your mom and dad.

Our outward appearance means nothing to Him. He cares for the heart. A heart that is set apart for Him is going to respect Him in every area of our life.

The least he could have done is added a verse to support his hypothesis. Luke 20:46 46 “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets." No we are not supposed to 'dress up'. Dress modest.

@JoshuaMSOG7

9 ай бұрын

When you go to a wedding, how do you dress up? Just curious? Modestly? Or with ties?

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

​@@JoshuaMSOG7 you won't get an answer because that will show that he doesn't give God the reverence he gives to man made inventions such as job interview or court case. Guarantee he will dress up for them

To the outcast, barefeet cast out sinner I do believe that God will not look at his or her outfit. Did the children who sat on the knee of Jesus, barefoot?? What will not be ok for God is if you came into a church building and read this Right of Admission reserved For the righteous

The thing is that we don’t „draw close to God“ when we go to a church building, instead God draws near to the building when you enter it. Not the building is the church, we are. Not the building is God’s temple, we, the Christians are. I’m still full of the Holy Spirit, even when I‘m naked, because He never leaves.

@Texasguy316

9 ай бұрын

This is a wrong comment. God doesn’t draw near to anything because He’s everywhere. You draw near to Him. YOU go to worship HIM in HIS house on Sunday. How can you be so foolish to speak in such a way and try to take a high and mighty “spiritual” road due to the lack of reverence in your dress when you go to church. Childish.

@Ben-br1bu

9 ай бұрын

@@Texasguy316 "But it was Solomon who built a house for him. Yet *the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands,* as the prophet says, “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest? Did not my hand make all these things?’" - Acts 7:47-50 "Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming *when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.* You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, *when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth,* for the Father is seeking such people to worship him." - John 4:21-23 "Or do you not know that *your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you,* whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." - 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 "the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is *Christ in you,* the hope of glory." - Colossians 1:26-27 "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but *Christ who lives in me.* And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." -Galatians 2:20 *"one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."* - Ephesians 4:6 *"The glory that you have given me I have given to them,* that they may be one even as we are one, *I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one,* so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me." - John 17:22-23 "Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, *and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."* - John 14:23 Blessings!

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

​@@Texasguy316well said, that's exactly what I see here

What were Adam and Eve wearing? God looks at the heart. People look at outward appearance…

Aren’t we always in the presence of God, though? I agree that we should dress respectfully at church, but what about at home? Are flip flops and shorts okay at home?

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Yes . But we can't act like going to church is the same as going home. One is specifically a place of worship. Deemed to be holy and separated

Bro- God doesn't mind what you are wearing as long as you aren't provacitive.

@jonbrodeur2579

Жыл бұрын

i completely agree with you God doesn’t care what we wear as long as we continue to walk with him

@blakep.7706

Жыл бұрын

So I guess wearing stripper clothes to church is even better especially after youve learned the gospel.😑

@valid_Stay

Жыл бұрын

@@blakep.7706 Do you know what provacitive means?

@seekeroftruth5656

Жыл бұрын

He shall be regarded as holy. Even for a job interview you show up in better than shorts and flops….. how quick we are to impress man, but think God will overlook our disregard of his holiness

@eh8681

Жыл бұрын

The fact the you called a person like R C sproul bro tells me everything I want to know about you! Doesn’t the Bible address modesty? This is the problem of charismatic unbiblical Christianity. Read the Bible please. Listen to this amazing theologian who’s done great things for Christianity

“Worry not of what you will wear and what you will eat.” We don’t need your work based salvation only biblical salvation

the religious minister i so dislike GOD LOOKS AT THE HEART.

I don't want to argue with my fellow Christians at a time when Christianity is under worldwide attack,but jeans and shorts or shirt and tie we as Christians should always be in the presence of god. The Early Christians had only dirty robes snd sandals and we are not now at Sinai. Come however you can in whatever you can but come.On resurrection day this preachers pants and crisp shirt sleeves will be grimey for he as we all will be on his knees in praise❤! Brother, lack of a crisp new suit and 60 dollar tie will not exclude you from an eternity with Jesus Christ ❤.

Im kinda confused didnt everyone wear sandals back in the day? Modesty yes but sandals are fine. If sandals were good for my Jesus then they are good for me. BTW i wear shoes. Just making a point.

@leahmares-hardy9200

6 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Jesus wasn't dressing down. That was dressing up. Today, sandals are for no serious business. Would you go to an interview in sandals?? What about a wedding? But somehow, when it comes to God, we don't need to care because Jesus wore sandals?

Scripture please

@AmandaSmith-77777

6 ай бұрын

Leviticus 19:30

Does God care how we dress when we come near to him? I believe God cares more that we just come near to Him. A homeless man wanders into a church with tattered, holey clothes because he seeks to hear the truth... Does God want that man out because of what he's wearing? Like every generation before us, this is applying our tradition to the will of God.

@danieljuarez1465

9 ай бұрын

It has nothing to do with a homeless man it’s more in reference to the people that have been in church and are members already. It’s obvious you won’t deny an unbeliever to enter church

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

​@@danieljuarez1465people want to use the homeless example to get away from showing God reverence. There is no way around it. If you have money to dress modest for God, then you SHOULD. if you can't, then dress your best. It's very simple. The ones trying to make the homeless case or Moses taking his shoes off only show they don't want to serve God His way

I mean he’s with us every day and has seen all kinds of outfits we wear.. plus 90% Of the time the Jews of the Old Testament would tear off their clothes when coming near to God.. so do we have one stage in history wear everyone was naked literally when drawing near to god and other wearing westernised suits and ties.. but I understand the sentiment of where he’s coming from

I love RC but didn’t Moses have to go barefoot at Sinai? Just sayn And ties? Ties are ridiculous inventions which serve no purpose other than to cause discomfort. Sure, don’t wear clothes with holes and such but…don’t women wear sandals to church and that’s ok? Dress in clean simple clothes. God can still be honored and worshipped.

Does God prefer suit jackets or cargo shorts?

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

God prefers your heart. If a church ever turned someone away because of flip flops and shorts, God is not at that church. The only dress code I could see at a church is to ban people whose sole desire is to dress proactively to get God's people to lust after them.

@jamesearle5035

6 ай бұрын

@@palepants9475 Agreed 💯

Aren’t we naked in the sight of Him? Then why should he care wat we wear? Of course I’m not saying to wear something inappropriate either. But the spirit guides us on that.

come as you are. just as i am.

Sproul sure didn’t understand God or the Bible as much as he thought he did.

@MikeM-vx8hf

7 ай бұрын

With all due respect, Dr Sproul was a brilliant Theologian and you wouldn’t have stood a chance of beating him in a debate.

@jedimasterham2

7 ай бұрын

@@MikeM-vx8hf I once watched Sproul answering a question for 5 minutes. Only, he never answered the question. He simply obfuscated the whole time. The reason why people like Sproul and other prominent Calvinists never engage in debate with regular Christians is, they know they will lose. All a Christian has to do is quote John 3:16, or John 12:32. The other reason is, it exposes their false gospel and doctrine. James White once tried it, and when asked a question about rape, defended that God ordained rape, implying God was guilty of forcing us to sin. Whenever Calvinists enter a debate, their theological views are exposed as unbiblical and deeply immoral, which is why they never do it.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

​@@jedimasterham2you can't use two scriptures to defeat a whole theology. If God didn't ordain evil, what happened with Judas? Was Jesus lying when He said Judas was born the son of perdition? When God planed for Jesus to be on the cross, did He not plan for Judas to do it?? When Jesus picked him, was is Not so he can carry out betrayal and the will of God? So God ordained the death of Jesus. There is no doubt about that in scripture. Jesus even says I came into this world to die. How was He going to die except by sin. And who planned that sin?

@jedimasterham2

6 ай бұрын

​@@chrisanok9283 Every point of Calvinism is refuted by scripture. It is a false doctrine with a false gospel that is a threat to the church. The reason we warn people is the same reason we warn against Roman Catholicism, Arminianism, SDA, JW, and any other false gospel. Many don't even realize that Calvinism not only denies Jesus' sacrifice for our sins (because they deny Jesus died for everyone), but posits salvation outside of Christ. In their doctrine of election, they're actually saved before creation (because God elects them to be saved before creation), which is outside of Jesus. He hadn't even come yet, and it shows a distinct contradiction with scripture. Also, I don't know what Judas has to do with Calvinism. If you articulate your point about how Judas relates to Calvinist theology, then I can respond better.

@MikeM-vx8hf

6 ай бұрын

@@jedimasterham2 1. Did you come here to debate? 2. Your statement about Dr. Sproul “never engaging in debate with regular Christians” is absolutely 100% false! Also, you mentioned the reason Dr Sproul wouldn’t “debate with regular Christians” is because he knew he would lose is laughable. 3. Do you have the video link of the question that you watched where Dr Sproul never answered the question?

No God does not care but have a little respect for the place you are at and the people around you. And most of all for yourself.

Unreal. I cannot believe this guy went the conservative route. I truly expected he was going to do the right thing, and speak the truth here. Instead, he went with tradition instead of truth. No, God does not care about your clothing worn in a building us modern people call a church. He is conflating that with the idea of Moses taking off his sandals at Mount Sinai. He just completely twisted that in a gigantic twist of deception all to preserve traditional man-made conservative values. Absolutely disgusting. Seriously, this was shameful. Yeshua would never tolerate that. Paul would, but not Yeshua

Pharisee.

God doesn't exist so I guess the answer is no. God doesn't care.

If you are relying on your clothing at all to approach Him them you are misled. I approach Him only and i mean only trusting Yeshua's shed blood from the cross.

@bernardhenderson1146

9 ай бұрын

Bingo

1 Tim 2:9 not everyone can afford sunday's best dress/suit. Dont be too smug pastor about your wardrobe, covered, clean and given to the gospel is what the Lord requires.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Aka, you don't want to dress modestly for God

@captainmeow2771

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283 I have my old work uniforms and a winter coat....modest for me is "should I tuck my shirt or not?" lol Im thankful the Lord provided clothing for me, I dont ask God for vanity, I feel blessed in all that he provides! (Matthew 6:25-34)

So then… a homeless with dirty shoes and shorts can’t come to your church?

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Nobody said that. It's about taking God seriously.

Respectfully dressed but we wouldnt be killed for it

James 2:1-9 [1]My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. [2]For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, [3]and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, "You sit here in a good place," and you say to the poor man, "You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool," [4]have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? [5]Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? [6]But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court? [7]Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called? [8]If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well. [9]But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. Zechariah 3:3 [3]Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments and standing before the angel.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Where does it say we don't have to look presentable before God?? All the scriptures you used is for people not to judge poor people based on clothing. An entirely different subject. We don't dress down for church, we dress up. If you have the attitude to dress down for church because God looks at the heart, then your heart only shows a lack of reverence for God's holiness

@Walkeraish

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283 Do you dress up for God every day?

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

@@Walkeraish I don't go to a corporate place of worship daily so no

@Walkeraish

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283My Brother in Christ what do you say to the men, woman and kids in the deepest bush in Africa, who believes in Lord Jesus Christ, but can't afford the attires of your standard. Don't they have proper reverence for God when they go to worship in rags and sandals? and sometimes that is dressing up for the Lord to them. I don't disagree with you, but don't be judgmental based only on the outside.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

@@Walkeraish yes but those people you just mentioned are not dressing down. They are dressing their best of what they have. Just to be clear, if a man ONLY has sandals and shorts, he is always welcome to church. But if a man wears sandals and shorts while having suits and formal dress wear but decided "he doesn't have to be presentable to God" then that man is a hypocrite. This is what RC Sproul is speaking of. Not to the man who is living in poverty and can't dress nice, but to the man who is able but chooses he doesn't have to. I see many like that in church and I used to be the same way wearing sweat pants because I didn't have reverence for God so I didn't care how I looked.

Ummmm.... all of the authors of the Bible wore sandals. Literally all of them. They wore dresses too.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Because that was modest back then. Do you wear flip flops to court? You show the judge more respect than you show God of the universe. The whole attitude of your is wrong

I love R.C., but I think he is maybe not using the best analogy. Imagine being a visitor to his church in Clearwater, FL wearing flip flops and shorts. The intended message of reverence before a holy God becomes one of discouragement.

Lies

I smell religion.

And then there are countries where people just want to show up and worship the Lord and the average clothing is shorts and sandals…

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

Then they should reevaluate their clothing

So if all that a Christian has are a pair of shorts and flip flops to their name and they come to church, should they turn around and go home? Are they considered less of a Christian than you because you own a suit and tie. What if that persons heart worships the lord just as he’s called to. But you haven’t come close. Do you think that flip flop guy will be condemned by God because of his clothing? Not only that, but it sounds like most of you would have a judgmental view of these people. This is what keeps non believers away from YOUR church. Not from the church, God will find a way. You just won’t be used. Or maybe you will. For how a Christian should not judge another. We as Christians should dress modestly, yes. But modesty is subjective. Point proven by how different churches of the same denomination may have different requirements of the length of a skirt has to be. Your suit will not go with you to heaven. The way your heart is positioned is what will get you there, though. Where’s your heart?

COME AS YOU ARE ! ! !

Jesus doesn’t care what we’re wearing. Humanity only ever put on clothes out of shame for sin. Jesus died on the cross to remove our sins and shame. If we still live in shame, Christ died for NOTHING, and what’s more, everyone at Sinai was wearing sandals and a tunic or almost nothing at all. For some reason, modern Christianity removes logic and reason to sell the cathedral on the already faithful. Worship God, and stop following men as if they were Christ.

Come as you are

What a stupid message. People are hurting for very serious reasons. Not one has anything to do with our attire when we go to church or talk to Jesus.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

False

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283 well said. Your articulate argument has made me see the error of my ways.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

@@palepants9475 our attire is a direct reflection of our heart. If you go to an interview, do you say attire means nothing? What about going to court? Wedding?? School?? You dress your best around men you deem as authoritative but you use a false spiritual ground to deny giving God this same reverence?? We know God looks at the heart. And what God sees is a hypocrite. A man who dresses up for man but dresses down for God(not you, example). God knowing the heart shouldn't be the reason we slack in giving reverence. It should encourage us all the more to be presentable

@palepants9475

6 ай бұрын

@@chrisanok9283 You missed the point I made. I'm not condoning wearing the same thing you would wear to the beach as going to church. However, in terms of importance on a scale of 1-100, what he is talking about is roughly a 2. Helping someone find peace in God when the doctor just gave them a horrible report....that's a 100. Or any of the other topics I mentioned. Why is he wasting everyone's time on a 2 when there are way more pressing matters on people's hearts? Does he actually love people? Or is he like most pastors who preach to feel good about themselves? He's probably been preaching for decades convinced the Lord is proud of him for preaching for so long. People who preach like that are modern day pharisees. Everyone dismisses the pharisees as "That would never be me", but they are in all 4 Gospels for a reason. People turn into them without realizing it. This guy's congregation is probably just like him. People go to church to feel good about themselves for going to church, rather than actually growing in anything.

@chrisanok9283

6 ай бұрын

@@palepants9475 ok as far as important, you only heard less than 10 minutes of this. His whole ministry is about examine yourself to see if you're in the faith. If his whole ministry was about outward appearance, I would whole heartily agree. But He is a man who speaks truth and maybe was seeing it a lot in his church. I only say this because I used to dress in sweat pants to church and I only did that because I packed reverence for God. When you see Him as a great judge who gave His son for you, you know no dressing up will make you acceptable. At the same time, I won't dress down because of this truth either. I dress presentable while understanding God sees the heart.

He's chosen who it's okay for and who it's not ok for . 🤣🤣🤣 But in all honesty these Calvinists are just a joke . Completely rejecting the truth found in God's word and substituting it for human reasoning and wisdom. Romans 13:11-14 (KJV) 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

why the fuck would a magic sky man care about some flip flops😂

@blakep.7706

Жыл бұрын

Read the bible and find out that he does care. Coming in places half naked leads to lust and lust leads to fornication. But if your calling him magic sky guy your clearly only interested in ridicule.

@METVWETV

Жыл бұрын

Ah, here he is!! The Resident Atheist Troll and complete in all his vulgar splendor. Thank you for not disappointing!

@METVWETV

Жыл бұрын

@blakep.7706 Yeah, why would you even engage with this Troll!

@jamesinnocente5911

Жыл бұрын

@@blakep.7706 the bible has a whole history of being rewritten by various kings throughout time. How do you trust you will go to "heaven" or "hell" based on a book thats been "translated" and rewritten multiple times, its called blind faith not the smartest way to go about.

@timecrimerr

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesinnocente5911finally a logical take

God is one of the oldest superstition of man

@blakep.7706

Жыл бұрын

When your dying youll scramble to find something to believe in.

@METVWETV

Жыл бұрын

OK, anything else "positive" to add?

@jamesinnocente5911

Жыл бұрын

@@blakep.7706 ok what ever you have to think to make your self feel better, I dont need to have that "reassurance" your talking about. Ive seen plenty of people turn religious towards the end of their lives, Its called fear of the unknown everyone has it but not all understand or can handle it.

@jamesinnocente5911

Жыл бұрын

@@blakep.7706 To me one of the fakest things you can do in life is believe in a lie just so your conscious can feel more comforted towards death. Its the unknown NO ONE KNOWS what happens in death so there's no point in believing fairytales about it.

@isaaccastillo8628

Жыл бұрын

No dude, you actually are a fallen corrupted creature, full of injustices and evil, that's why you hate God. You hate God because He have infinite Justice, and the idea to deal with the Justice of God is too much for you and you don't want to deal with that, and you know it, and at the end that mindset is foolishness cause is like a criminal doesn't want to deal with the police and the court of law. That's why you write coments like this one. If you don't believe me, be honest and answer me this questions: 1) how many lies have you told in your life? How do you call someone who tell lies?

What were Adam and Eve wearing? God looks at the heart. People look at outward appearance…