Full podcast with Dr Eric Helms coming tomorrow 👀

@user-hx9bq4kf1q

20 күн бұрын

I’ll b watching. Interesting topic Dan.

@german8924

20 күн бұрын

Great video. As well please add Spanish subtitles tomorrow. I see you from Argentine. Congratulations

Daneil spitting fax, gets humbled on technical details and fully owns his oversimplification of the matter is just golden. It is very rare to see such humility to the art and truthseeking.

I care more about building strength and muscle in a way that strengthens the surrounding tissue to prevent injury. If it works, then I'll do it

@tv26889

21 күн бұрын

Good point!

You could put it this way: whatever helps you put more loading on the end range of motion (which in turn helps you maintain or improve range of motion). So for pulling it's either full rom or partial first half, for pushing either full rom or pulsing in the deeper half. Doing these types of partials won't restrict your ROM and may improve it.

Please make a podcast video with @kboges

@Sensei_Gaz

21 күн бұрын

This

@balbibou

21 күн бұрын

+1

@yakir2010

16 күн бұрын

Fuck yeah

@suebphatt

15 күн бұрын

He is too time-efficient and too straight-to-the-point. He will answer all questions in 2.48 minutes and that does not make a podcast 😂

@arsalannss

15 күн бұрын

@@suebphatt 50 mins is enough XD

You get strong in the ROM you train...in my experience the hardest part of the pull-up is the top half getting chest or lower to bar...

@CursedWheelieBin

20 күн бұрын

That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Your back muscles are already shortened in that upper position so they have to contract harder.

@naturallawgiver

20 күн бұрын

@@CursedWheelieBin in my experience the biggest limiting factors for getting from chin over bar to touching chest to bar are weak brachioradialis in the forearms and somewhat counterintuitively the triceps have to work extra hard in their secondary function as shoulder extensors...

@tv26889

20 күн бұрын

@@naturallawgiver That's not the point. The top half is the hardest, but is the least stimulating to the lats on a pull-up. That's why they said to do lengthened partials on the bottom half of the movement so you can keep the tension on the lats in its most effective range of motion, as well as increase the load which will help with growth.

@naturallawgiver

20 күн бұрын

@@tv26889 a pullup is more than the lats especially if you go chest to bar or higher. Sure if you just care about lats but if you care about the technical skill, getting the top half requires a whole lot more than just the lats to be super strong.

His Marine statement is spot on 🤣 I go to a CrossFit gym and NEVER do kipping pull-ups.

There is research about long length partials and it makes sense since this research favoured to the long length than the classic full ROM.

Yeah ok but why people that do “30” pull up cannot do 3 in full ROM?

@dariusgeene9843

21 күн бұрын

it gets explained in the first minutes of the video

@ILoveWeightedPullups

21 күн бұрын

Exactly. It is like people who do rapidly do 40 halfway pushups at the gym but can’t do 20 fully down and back up slow and controlled if their lives depended on it.

@psbjr

21 күн бұрын

Because they are mostly lazy and never do full rom stuff. The fact that lazy people shorten their ROM doesn't negate its potential for stimulus.

@bobbybagseed

21 күн бұрын

I think both do different things . You're right tho

@rayhunt6696

21 күн бұрын

They're focus is on keeping tension on the muscle through short reps. They can care less about going over the bar.

Eric helms is the Goat and bridge between science and the bros. Iconic and possibly the most well articulated person in the fitness space

The more ROM the more Compound the movement is. You have to decide if you want to do compound work and the get those benefits or if you want to do isolation work and get those benefits. A good program combines both.

I’ve switched over to partials on my push-ups, dips, and pull-ups. Full range on everything else. I mainly train calisthenics but I use kettlebells, dumbbells, and a barbell on push and pull days as well. I feel like I get the best of both worlds… jmo

Full range will always be better for general athleticism imo

@xyoungdipsetx

15 күн бұрын

I agree

@jalynchy

15 күн бұрын

But they are not talking about general athleticism they are talking about specific training for specific gains.

@fitness-phenomenal6097

14 күн бұрын

But for better hypertrophy lengthen partials makes sense if you put the ego down and do a controlled lengthened partials. You can watch Jeff Nippard explaining how it works.

@fitness-phenomenal6097

14 күн бұрын

But still I love a full ROM of deep stretch to the muscle for better result and safer way to build muscle.

My pull up weakness in in the top range. Chin only over the bar. Trying for a year to chest to bar. I'm now doing partials at the top, like greasing the groove for an eventual muscle up.

@josephsalmonte4995

14 күн бұрын

Same here mate 👍

So, just add some partial motion reps at the end of a set of full range pullups and you increase mass on isolated muscle groups? Is this good for boosting overall compound strength, with muscles "catching up" with each other, or will I just break?

I can't do pull ups to failure because my forearms give up first. I've tried using straps and training my forearms through dead hangs but my forearms still fatigue first. Any ideas to help?

@LongDiklean

21 күн бұрын

Sounds like you need to work out your forearms. 🤷‍♂️

@turiipip2345

21 күн бұрын

Be more patient with grip training ( not exactely forearm training)

@perotal

21 күн бұрын

Are you using a very close grip ? If you are using shoulder-wide or slighter wider forearms should not be a limiting factor if you can hang for at least 60s. A set of pullup for most people is not going to be anywhere near that duration

@shaunacus_3337

21 күн бұрын

It’s likely just one of those things that improves with consistency over time. What helped me was doing as many reps and sets as I could without straps and then once my grip became the limiting factor I would use the straps for the rest of my sets, this goes for barbell and other weight movements too. Although if it were a bodybuilding context and a person was trying to get the biggest back possible then they would just use straps all the time to ensure that the back is always the limiting factor

@Lemon-squeezer

21 күн бұрын

Are you warming up your wrists and fingers before your workout

Ultimately ceteris paribus the person that can do the most pull ups with full range of motion is stronger/has more muscular endurance than someone that does less. Also, forced reps and training around the weak spots (concentric, eccentric, lengthened partials) is going to help you finish more pull ups or whatever movement pattern we are talking about.

I experience good results with even partials. Practicing macebell or clubbell swinging often places e.g. the triceps in a stressed and fully stretched overhead position. Pulling the macebell arm(s) down and changing the elbow angle to 90°, doing this a lot of times during a macebell workout creates a lot of stress in the triceps. Same for the usage of the delts or the lats. I do full ROM training for the shoulders and triceps, but less than my nearly daily swinging. So, I'd expect my quite grown muscles didn't grow only of a few full ROM isolation sets a week, while doing a lot of compound "things".

What about doing lengthened partials after full ROM is no longer possible? Main downside I can think of is extra fatigue, maybe?

@yakir2010

16 күн бұрын

That's what Sam Sulek does.

@Jahsurfer

16 күн бұрын

Yes, good idea. That is what I do. For example, when I can no longer do full rom on leg curls, I do half reps until I can't do anymore.

@fitness-phenomenal6097

14 күн бұрын

You can watch Jeff Nippard explaining about lengthen partials and how it works

If lengthened parties are so great why not just do concentric holds until failure and burn out the muscle? Hold A leg extension until failure? Hold a squat with quads engaged in the hole? Do a pull up and hold it at the top?

@wan2shuffle

21 күн бұрын

I think you are mixing up stretch mediated hypertrophy and lengthened partials. Maybe I’m just missing your point. I don’t see how a hold could be a lengthened partial.

@Jahsurfer

16 күн бұрын

You need to revisit your understanding of lengthened partials. Please go look at Dr Wolf's videos on lengthened partials.

Tl;dr best mass = lengthened partials performance and good mass = full ROM

@tv26889

21 күн бұрын

thats misunderstanding what they said. They specifically said lengthened partials on back and shoulder exercises might be better because of the force curve--row and delts exercises are hardest at the top where the least stimulation is occuring. So you do lengthened partials where you can load more weight and keep the tension on the muscle in the range of motion it gets the most stimulation. It's not a useful concept to apply to everything.

@tv26889

21 күн бұрын

On something like glute bridge it applies there, the exercise is hardest at the top where the least amount of stimulation is on the glutes, so doing lengthened partials on glute bridges makes sense.

I always heard people call partial pull ups, wimpy pull ups.

@JustChill-zd4ib

19 күн бұрын

People with no idea believing in dogmatic thinking without analyzing anything ever. Its a classic.

I cant grow my lower lat just my upper ,I tried pull ups?

@TheScamr

21 күн бұрын

Try the widest grip you can comfortably do and keep your elbows tucked.

from my experience full range of motion is best. many people in the gym do half reps and still says that i did 20, 30 etc. i think whoever is doing half range are not strong.

@TehLiquid

21 күн бұрын

But they're all bigger than you. Makes you wonder..

@Atypical_Chad

21 күн бұрын

He clarifies this in the first min and 20 seconds. Partials may be better for muscle hypertrophy, while if you wanna be stronger in full range, then you obviously wanna train full range.

@tv26889

21 күн бұрын

@@Atypical_Chad They specifically said lengthened partials on back and shoulder exercises might be better because of the force curve--row and delts exercises are hardest at the top where the least stimulation is occuring. So you do lengthened partials where you can load more weight and keep the tension on the muscle in the range of motion it gets the most stimulation. It's not a useful concept to apply to everything. On something like glute bridge it applies there, the exercises hardest at the top where the least amount of stimulation is on the glutes, so doing lengthened partials on glute bridges makes sense.

@omsofi1111

21 күн бұрын

​@@TehLiquid yeah training for 15 years and training half ROM u will be bigger than someone who have been training for 6 months

@toxic69plays26

21 күн бұрын

​@@omsofi1111 Are you being sarcastic or do you mean that you can be bigger than someone who has been training for 6 months in just a month with half reps?

This marine at my gym said I wasn't getting my chin over bar last week. I had 80lbs of chains on a belt and really milking the bottom stretch full rom and excellerating up about half inch under but these are the twisted handle, No bar to get chin over. I was so mad i came the next day and did 2 chains on my neck and I was totally over the bar.lol I think ppl in the gym get jealous of calisthenics

Even if Long length partial reps build moor muscle it's not by a lot and strength is gaind in the range of motion that you train it for me full ROM is the way to go

@Jahsurfer

16 күн бұрын

Why not do both? Also, you can do lengthened partials at the end of your full ROM set.

I learnt this from prison workouts. You're simply going to get more out of yourself by doing both partial and full reps

This is a different take on RoM. This is one study?

@hUgO6191

21 күн бұрын

No. It's a combination of studies and meta analysis that show that for HYPERTROPHY partial ROM in the lengthened position is superior to full ROM. I'd say that although that now seems to be the consensus if you are beginner (until 2-3 years of consistent training) focus on full ROM. Then you can start experimenting with this kind of concepts or modifications if you feel like you aren't doing progress. Don't add complexity for the sake of it. And this is related to hypertrophy. In terms of strength which you need if you want to achieve advanced calisthenics skills I'm not sure how partials compare. All the hype is about hypertrophy, not sure what it says for strength

@CJDavis188

18 күн бұрын

It’s common sense. Muscles react to stimulus. They don’t care about “full range of motion”. All that matters is time under tension and how much tension is actually occurring for that muscle group. If you are reaching all your target muscle groups with partial reps then it is absolutely better to do that with heavier weight rather than trade off the tension for full range of motion. This is not to be confused with cheating a movement. Keep everything strict and controlled. I’ve switched to this method and have noticed my strength vastly improving even when attempting a full range of motion movement after sticking with partials for a bit.

guys i would be happy if someone answered this: does growing muscles mean more strengtht?

@6996Gunslinger

21 күн бұрын

depends on the type of activity and its also additional strenght, most of the strenght comes from strenght excersises not muscle building excersises

@JustChill-zd4ib

19 күн бұрын

I mean it definitely does not mean more weakness...

@omidiw1124

19 күн бұрын

@@JustChill-zd4ib yea but it can be no strenght just volume

@omidiw1124

19 күн бұрын

@@6996Gunslinger but day by day you can train heavier which means strength no?

@CJDavis188

18 күн бұрын

@@6996Gunslingeryes. 100% of the time.

This is how prisoners get so jacked they do partials in everything

It comes down to effort. Training only full ROM is actually easier; i.e. I get to stop as soon as I can't do a perfect pullup. But, to go on to doing some partials, or "cheating" reps, is actually torture. You are really forcing your muscles to train past failure. I can see why people grow more this way.

I have a feeling that in the future there will be evidence that the Shortened Range will have some value too. My guess it will be for Muscle Density and Definition

Partial reps makes alot of sense, similar to stretching a dough: Only doing full range will not make the dough thinner at the edges because the pressure is the same.

Yes if you ever been to prison which idk if you see prisoners body but they obviously have nothing to work with so they use manipulation of the rom to get the best pump and results that doesn’t mean they don’t do compound lifts they use this manipulation for weak links and strength.

@Alexanderkeegan69

21 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t say it’s better results since you can never get the real aspect of conserving joints and muscle tightness from compound lifts and yoga

Sounding more and more like optimizing strength training requires a solid grasp of undergraduate physics statics and dynamics.

@tv26889

21 күн бұрын

What they said was actually simple. Lengthened partials might be better for hypertrophy with certain muscle groups on different exercises because of the force curve--the hardest part of the exercise is where the least tension is placed on the target muscle group. So you do a lengethened partial and keep the tension on the muscle in it's most effective range of motion. A glute bridge for example. The hardest part is at the top where the least tension is on the glutes. So doing lengthened partials on a glute bridge makes sense because the most tension is on the glutes at the bottom of the movement.

Absolutely disagree with partials for pullups. Ever since people watched Sam Sulek work through failure the nerds have decided it's a thing. It's almost embarrassing. It's just trying to work through failure reps. Christ

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This makes no sense. Why do no pro bodybuilders do only partials if it's truly optimal?

I see garbage reps without rom and I judge, 100%

Yes, Full ROM = Less results. It's just that people are sticklers for strict form, Look at any jacked inmate, all partial reps, all bro science, all insanely toned, peeled, jacked.

@ceili

21 күн бұрын

‘less results’, well that depends on what your goals are.

@bytefu

21 күн бұрын

​@@ceili Yep, I would rather be strong in full ROM than be jacked. My ego feeds on functionality.

@lukeowens3544

21 күн бұрын

Top half reps then bottom half reps Then full reps equals ….. NO EXCUSES 🤣🤣🤣

@userunknown1578

21 күн бұрын

Steroid use among inmates is also a factor.

@ceili

21 күн бұрын

@@bytefu good for you bro

OK, golden era bodybuilder champion Franco Columbu advocated strict, fullest range of motion pullups as the best and most effective. This guest "ex marine" is pushing some fallacy stories and "new studies", advocating partial reps over full range of motion reps, which is ridicilous! Partial reps are good for some specific cases, they could go for speed work, pumping muscle, adding extra rep on the end of set, etc

I feel it in my arms too much when I do full ROM It takes emphasis off my back or lats

What Daniel calls ‘ego lifting’ which is meant to be an insult, is actually powerlifting. Some men prefer to look like a linebacker instead of bodybuilder.