It would be awesome to see Gen 1 valves on a vehicle that had catch cans installed from the beginning of its life.

Your videos keep getting better. Thank you for the examples especially the port injection!

A way to drastically slow down the carbon on the gen 2 ecoboost engines are 4 things firstly and most importantly run a good high quality synthetic oil no Motorcraft simi synthetic crap. second is run a fuel system cleaner once in a while like berrymans B12 or seafoam. Third is use the remote start and let idle 10 mi or so before u head to work in morning. At idle especially cold starts the port injection is spraying if u have a good fuel system cleaner in there u are basically cleaning the back of the intake valves. forth and almost as important as good oil is catch can! Just some things i have found out from research and mechanics and other ecoboost owners. If u do these things your truck will be in junkyard worn out before u have to worry about carbon. great video

2019 2.7 at 42,000 miles here, good to see the improvements with the dual injection! Thanks for making this video!

Wow Mr. I really love your show, I'm not a "FORD" guy, but have many of friends who are, and I do relate your channel to them! Thanks so much!

Thanks for posting. I just traded a 2011 Gen 1 F150 EB for a '22 F150 EB. I wondered how well the new dual fuel system worked. You answered my main question at the end, which is how/when does the engine switch between systems. Port injection at idle / low power makes sense because that's when most of the PCV gunk is likely to come through.

Thank you Brian, this is by far the best informative channel that I've found. Appreciate you so much!

That Sir was a great demostration of the clear difference in those types of fuel systems. Thank you!

Great channel. Thank you for the excellent content. I have a theory. Manufactures have increased the mileage intervals on oil changes to as much as 10000 miles. I believe that even good full synthetic oil starts to break down slowly at first but after additives have expired then much more rapidly. When the oil is new there should be less evaporation. As heat and miles accumulate.The oil condition and additives begin to diminish. By changing the oil and filter every 3000 miles. The oil is still in excellent condition. Very little evaporation has occurred. The less evaporated oil gas entering the intake through the E.G.R. system. This should translate to less carbon build up.Also the anti-wear , heat , viscosity ect. additives are still very active. This will also help with all that timing assembly friction and wear. Whenever I see the inside of an engine that has a brown or dark film the oil has already began to fail.

I've got a 2012 5.0L F-150 that some years ago, I put air/oil separators in the emission system. When I change engine oil, I clean both oil catch cans and one is about three quarters full and the other is about a third full. I couldn't believe that much oil would be put through the intake into the engine. I remove the throttle body about 35,000 miles just to check the intake manifold for oil. It's clean.

Thank you for the comparison. I have had both variations and currently own a 2019.

Now this is the kind of content that's worth watchin.

Thanks! I have a 07 F150 5.4 3v that I love. And I don't know if I ever want to get rid if it, so I take as best care of it as I can myself, and use my local Ford Dealership where I purchased it. I wish I could give you more as you have saved me so much money in diagnostics and repairs. So thank you! I trust you so much, I hope you value that trust as much as I do. Happy Holidays to you, your apprentice son and rest of family.

@steveturner3999

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2006 5.4 3v with 269,879 miles and feel the same way. Absolutely love my truck.

@djosbun

Жыл бұрын

Same here….my 2005 F-350 V10 has 266,000 miles and still idles like it’s brand new.

@teecuzbruh4058

Жыл бұрын

Same here, mines an 04 FX4, already went through an engine, Ford manufacturer replacement reman, after seeing this, Ecoboost will not be in my future

@Jay388

Жыл бұрын

08 5.4 4x4 256,000 😎💪👍👍🤙

Perhaps adding BG platinum fuel system cleaner on a regular basis may enhance the beneficial effects of the port injection. Merry xmas Brian and family. Best regards from Australia.

Thanks for the information. I don't have a Ford EcoBoost but I have a KIA Sorento with a similar setup. That look into the intake port is more than enough of an example on the effectiveness of the dual injection setup.

Excellent presentation! This is exactly what I have wanted to see. Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and your family Brian

Glad I'm running a catch can! Still love my old school multi port 302. Merry Christmas Brian.

@brutekiller787

Жыл бұрын

Catch can is meh at best, takes out maybe 10% of the carbon. If the stock 3.5 eb at 100k is 100%, installing the catch can would remove 10%, to 90%, and the new 3.5 eb would have 50%, with a catch can, you’re at 45%. Not worth the 3-500 investment in a good set up

@garypollack6948

Жыл бұрын

Its better than nothing...it catches quite a bit and looks nasty. I run Mobil 1 and it gets changed ever 5k religiously.

@georgeburns7251

Жыл бұрын

@@garypollack6948 Gary, to be really sure you are doing everything possible, change your oil once a week and get your church to pray for your vehicle every Sunday .

@ALMX5DP

Жыл бұрын

@@garypollack6948 I feel the same. Anything I can do within reason to help limit the amount of potential buildup. We also use full synthetic and change every 5k. So far so good. I’m also not sure where that 10% figure is pulled from. Our catch can sees about 1-3oz every 5k.

I would say, based on this video, the added port injection does better than 50% as you state - maybe 75% reduction in build up. Nonetheless, I really appreciate that you did this comparison. I think I still want to install a catch can since I cannot see selling this vehicle for a very long time. Thanks again.

@edforthewin8574

Жыл бұрын

So based on this video he made, direct fuel injection is actually worst than port fuel injection right? I know for sure that direct fuel injection makes the piston face cleaner from the amount of PSI it’s thrown at but I didn’t know that direct fuel injection made that much carbon build up behind the valves.

@thomasnew8606

Жыл бұрын

​@@edforthewin8574 Direct injection does not clean the back of the valves at all. Port injection does

@edforthewin8574

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasnew8606 ok thank you sir!

Excellent, thanks for posting this comparison ! I own a dual injection vehicle, but I am a low mileage driver.

@rshettle123

Жыл бұрын

The important thing for low milage driving is getting the oil heated up enough to blow out condensation but also changing the oil sooner rather than later.

Being Ford guys ourselves we enjoy watching the channel and Merry Christmas to you and your family along with all your viewers from Jake and i at Eliminator Performance have a great New Year and everyone stay Safe and Sound.

That’s an amazing amount of carbon on both, but it’s definitely better on Gen 2. I’d love to see my 5.4 valves look like.

Thanks for sharing this. I have a DI BMW and had huge carbon buildup issues. So I installed a Snow Performance water/methanol system to keep the valves clean. The extra boost in power is nice too!

@nocturnalspecialties642

Жыл бұрын

What mixture are you running? I used Peak Brand -30* windsheild washer fluid for years on a turbo LS engine. Then I started adding a quart of M1 methanol to 1 gallon of the Peak and turned the boost up. When I pulled the heads off 330,000 miles later the intake runners, valves and pistons looks new but had a blue tint from the dye in the WWF.

@superk4562

Жыл бұрын

@@nocturnalspecialties642 50/50 by weight not volume. Meth is lighter than water. I get straight methanol from a performance shop in town and mix it with distilled water.

@nocturnalspecialties642

Жыл бұрын

@@superk4562 cool. I didn't get technical with it. Just started using straight WWF that MSDS showed to be 38% methanol. It did really good but wanted a little extra for when pushing the boost higher. I never calculated what adding 1 quart of M1 to that mixture was.

@superk4562

Жыл бұрын

@@nocturnalspecialties642 You can always buy Boost Juice from Snow Performance.

Your the man... Thank you for what you do... Retired mechanic but still tinker here and there with my own stuff... Have a 2020 Transit ecoboost, love it and love your videos helps my mind... Thanks, looking to get 150,000. To be happy with the product... Thanks again.... Will see

Thanks for great study case supported with technical evidence. your field experiences are impressive. Hope your son will value your knowledge and give a 1000 percent support. it will benefit him for his entire life. Happy New Year to you and your family.

Thanks for making this video and sharing with us. I have a 19 2.7 f150 with 55k and wasn't sure about installing a catch can but this is telling me it certainly wont hurt. Thanks again.

If it weren't for the FRP and FLP PIDs as well as the high and low fuel system tests, these would suck to diagnose. I've had a lot of new 2.7s with injector issues, some port and some direct. This helps alot in diagnosing this weird system.

@DavidPerez-wz1ss

8 ай бұрын

What years

Brian, thanks for all you great video information. Have a great Christmas

many thanks for doing this. I have a 2017 ford explorer sport 3.5 TT . I change the oil every 4k, use shell or Mobil 93 octane, changed the PTU at 40k and that's it so far. She's been good to me and I'm glad to see the updated engine is a bit better.

This is why I respect Toyota. Instead of focusing on being the first to push a new tech to market, they generally thoroughly test it. They always used the port inj with direct inj, bypassing these huge carbon issues.

@KPHVAC

Жыл бұрын

Years ago the Lexus IS 250 was direct injection only. This taught Toyota and Lexus their lesson, and that's why they now use port and direct injection together! They tried it out on one model and waited a few years. It was a failure!

@Max-kh9do

Жыл бұрын

@KP HVAC oh, I didn't know that, you are correct the is250 only had direct injection. In that case, props to Toyota for upgrading their tech as soon as they saw an issue, that isn't cheap to do

@KPHVAC

Жыл бұрын

@@Max-kh9do That's why I love Toyota and Lexus. They work out issues quickly and they really try to make sure everything is extremely reliable before making it their standard.

@howebrad4601

Жыл бұрын

While that's somewhat true, Ford isn't putting this stuff out for the heck of it. Due to cafe standards set by the govt, they are required to hit mpg targets or pay huge fines. Sometimes they are forced into a tradeoff. Toyota has that easier because their product mix of high mpg cars vs trucks is way easier to hit cafe reqmts. Than ford who sells way more trucks than cars. Thus Toyota doesn't always have to implement every new tech right away. Root cause of problem is fed requirements. Taken one step further, buildup is caused by blowby coming thru the egr system. Egr system was originally installed by reqmt of EPA.

@Max-kh9do

Жыл бұрын

@Bradley Howe - all auto manufacturers have to play by the same rules, set by the epa. Also, I believe that the smaller engines are more difficult to meet emission standards, because it's measured per engine size. What gets me is that it took ford almost 10 years to fix this carbon issue, when we knew about it very early on. Reminds me of fords issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 powerstrokes. Toyota on the other hand fixed the carbon issue immediately.

Great video Brian. Thanks for the triple comparison. I have walnut blasted my 2013 twice now at 120k km (not miles) and run a catch can now after the second round. I expect a third round this summer, but hope not.

@tslonaker4609

Жыл бұрын

How much did that cost you?

@evilmrx5837

Жыл бұрын

@@tslonaker4609 $50 CAD for a 50 lb bag of walnut shell media, $26 for a cheap media blaster that I modded. I already had a good compressor, shop vac, safety PPE and a BUNCH of patience and research on how to do it correctly and eliminating the risk of filling the engine with walnuts. It’s work for sure.

I have a '13 F150 EB with 88k, about a year ago removed the intake and manually cleaned all twelve valves. Used picks, screw drivers, conical brushes, brake cleaner, CRC GDI intake valve cleaner and a hand actuated vacuum pump with inline reservoir. Only real thing to pay close attention is to operate only on valves that are completed seated/closed. I chalk this up as normal high mileage maintenance. Much like transmission fluid, trans case, diff, etc. I got fantastic results. Post clean I would estimate the state would be equivalent to a truck with 5k miles. Only area that was difficult to access on the valves was toward the engine centerline. The head design and seat slightly shrouds the valves on a very small portion nearest the engine centerline. Wish I could post a picture here, the before and after are pretty impressive to compare.

Awesome video! Thanks for the comparison. Been wondering about this for a while.

Many years ago I drove a fuel delivery truck. The fuel that's delivered to every station: Convenience stores or name brand stations all come from the same nearby fuel terminal. The terminal is either supplied by the owner of the onsite refinery or by pipeline. When you loaded your truck with gasoline for delivery, there was a selector switch that you operated to add an additive for a particular brand. Sometimes the selector worked, most of the time it didn't. So don't be fooled. Gasoline is gasoline and diesel is diesel no matter where you buy it.

@copisetic1104

Жыл бұрын

As a private tech for twenty years in Salt Lake City I see the difference between fuels. I run my 4Runner on chevron premium, after 162,000 miles still very clean. I’ve done walnut valve blasting on cars with less that 100,000 miles that were almost completely clogged, they really needed a valve job but the owners don’t want to pay for it. They trade them as soon as they leave my shop.

@eighthof8

Жыл бұрын

When you drive down the highway and see an Exxon refinery, or any other refinery, or terminal. Semi trucks load up there and deliver to all stations in that area. It doesn't matter if you buy fuel at at Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Kwik Shop, or whatever, they're all supplied by the nearest terminal. The only way fuel will be different, is if you put additives in your tank from an autoparts store.

@eighthof8

Жыл бұрын

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying their favorite brand of fuel, I'm only telling you what I know first hand. NCRA refinery in McPherson, KS, which is near us, supplies all name brand and convenience stores, including Chevron, Cenex, CO-OP, Phillips 66, Kwik Shop, and Dillon's fuel stop in our area. All gasoline and diesel must have certain additives like detergents required by law. Those additives change during winter and summer as needed.

@hialeahhigh

Жыл бұрын

No it is not all the same, this can all be seen reviewing data logs and tuning.

@blackgenesis7472

Жыл бұрын

The additives is what makes the difference. Not all stations are getto like yours.

I'm so glad you shared this info... My 2017 is at 158k and now needs its second timing job with phasers. (And neither has been under warranty...WTF??) You can rest assured I'll insist on the new phasers you showed a few videos ago. Thanks again, and Happy Holidays to you and yours !!

@gianfrancoa

Жыл бұрын

Wow, these engines are pure garbage. I wonder what will it take yo get rid of this truck

@davidfeinberg5599

Жыл бұрын

@gianfrancoa love the power with the turbos... and 21 mpg. This is the only problem I've ever had with the truck in 158k. Pisses me off, but it's still a good truck 😊

@rays7437

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, how often do you change the oil and what oil and filter do you use?

@davidfeinberg5599

Жыл бұрын

@Ray S I'm religious with maintenance ! usually every 3k... never over 4. Platinum synthetic oil and Fram ultra syn Filters. The wife's truck is a 2014 150 with the 5.0.... use the same in hers, and that just hit 240k. That motor has never made a tick sound... ever !!!

@4fifty8

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfeinberg5599 I'd stick with the Motorcraft oil filters and avoid Fram. Lots of info out there regarding anti drain back.

Another Great presentation ! Merry Christmas 🎄 to Team BSG !

Appreciate all of these videos!

It's amazing to me the more engineers try to redesign the wheel, the more square it gets. How many motors over 12 years old are still running good without any major work have been done to them, as long as good detergent gasoline was used and yearly maintenance was done. (It's my '06 f160 xl with 4.6 ,165,000 miles still runs like the day I bought it) Oil change every 5,000 miles, STP fuel system cleaner every 3rd Oil change. Had 100,000 miles service. K&N air filter gets cleaned every 25,000 miles. When spark plugs were replaced for 100,00 miles maintenance, they looked almost brand new. Bought truck to take me to nursing home or grave eventually.

@jamesplotkin4674

Жыл бұрын

It all in their effort to achieve slight fuel mileage gains and cleaner air. I'd gladly accept previous technology and save the thousands of $$ we waste today. Check out any Ford two-valve 4.6 and see how the hundreds of thousand miles they can crank out and not require anything but common sense maintenance. PS Meant to add that I've had two Town Cars with well over 300k miles each and never needed to open them up, except for the damn plastic intakes that puked coolant (Dorman to the rescue). These were the pre-phaser debacle days! Ford's timing/cam engineers fell asleep beginning with the 4.6-5.4/3-valves and phasers still don't last.

@user-sf4il5kd5k

Жыл бұрын

The point is, they are not designed to last anymore. They are designed to fail just after your loan is paid off so you go back to the dealer and buy another one. The only consistent design with any manufacturer nowadays, is their business design to keep you in a revolving door of debt with them.

@michaelbefumo-qg7ji

10 ай бұрын

So what you mean,is the old Italian tune-up won't help, cause at wide open thottle,it's only running direct injection,then idle and drive like old lady you run on port injection.carberaters clean valves better,where is technology going

@Dirtyharry70585

9 ай бұрын

@@michaelbefumo-qg7jinah I still boost once a month when a dodge hemi or toyo want to pick a fight. The see the f150 red tailgate every time

@jeromeharrison7450

8 ай бұрын

well the f160 was a better made truck than the f150

I've ran a UPR catch can on my 14 ecoboost since 32k miles and have always ran top octane prem fuel through it. It does catch alot of blow by and the engine runs great, it currently has 107k miles on it. I always follow your videos and keep fluids clean and just changed my tranny lines based on your videos. When it's time to work on the engine I'll be bringing it to you.

@infotechsailor

Жыл бұрын

Dang does this mean I need to load up my catch can on my wife's Gen ii ecoboost?

@Dragandspinn

7 ай бұрын

This is nothing new, especially on certain German brands (read VW). I want to know why a 2019 with 125k on it needs a timing job? Is this a $5k job with new phasers as well? Should I get the damn internal water pump done at the same time? Or just sell my beloved truck and get a slower, less potent 5.0? Damn it, Ford.

@style5tie

7 ай бұрын

@@Dragandspinn 5.0s have cam phaser problems too as well as oil consumption. Now that they have cylinder deactivation, that's a hard no from me. I'd rather deal with ecoboost issues.

Thanks for sharing your find on echoboot nothing beats port fuel injection good old reliable N/a engines

Great video. I've wondered about this exact topic since the second gen came out. Exactly what I suspected. It's a compromise, not a fix.

Would love to see this same type of video on the 5.0. The fueling strategy probably matters too, I know on the 5.0 it relies mostly on port injection under idle and most load conditions, but the DI system is used for efficiency and knock prevention. Not sure how the 3.5 does it, although it probably relies more on the DI system since it's running boost. Port velocity also probably plays a role, those gen 2 intake ports are very deep.

@icyhotmike

Жыл бұрын

The port injection is only used on cold start or until the engine reaches optimal temperature then it only uses DI. Ford honestly only did this to improve the EPA rating they don't care about the carbon build up....

@ice44567

Жыл бұрын

@icyhotmike fairly sure that's not the case on the 5L, I remember seeing the fueling tables and the most it can do is 90% DI, but it has different circumstances where port comes back on. The 3.5 is likely different because it's boosted

@robertbell525

Жыл бұрын

I think I'd rather have port injection all the time and DI can kick in when power demand is high.

@seagullsbtn

Жыл бұрын

Plenty of changes on the 5.0 in recent years.

@jordandevereux6835

Жыл бұрын

@@ice44567 to

My 5.7 hemi is an old ass dinosaur but there is no dirty valves issues, turbo failures or timing phaser problems. Just have to use good synthetic 5w30 and avoid idling.

Merry Christmas Brian, thanks for the video!

Thanks, FTM for the interesting real-world data, and Merry Christmas.

Two things will cut this issue down. Quality fuels being introduced to the engine and a catch can. It isn’t perfect but it certainly cuts the carbon deposits down significantly. All of my vehicles run on “top tier” fuels and each have a catch can. Zero drivability issues. This video is an excellent demonstration of the different gens of ecoboost and what improvements they may or may not exhibit. It’s why I follow the channel and look forward to more great content!

@dogewisdom9921

Жыл бұрын

Top tier fuels are a scam. Even cheap gasoline has the ability to clear tar off of hands…

@porkchopsandwiches192

Жыл бұрын

@@dogewisdom9921 if you say so 🤷🏻

@HouseCallAutoRepair

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if people using conventional oil really makes this much worse...

@biz4twobiz463

Жыл бұрын

@@HouseCallAutoRepair ... oh, absolutely. The keys here are TOP Tier fuel, full synthetic oil, regular 5k oil changes, and adding a fuel injection cleaner every oil change. Will certainly help this issue.

@turbostyler

Жыл бұрын

How does injector cleaner and top tier fuel help with preventing carbon in a DIG motor?

Hey great info, appreciate it. Question - What is the root cause of the carbon buildup? Specifically, would an oil catch can prevent the carbon build up? And will an oil catch can void the warranty? Apologies if this has already been discussed.

Nice work really appreciated the thorough video footage!!!!!

Wow, you just totally convinced me to get an oil catch can for my 22 F150 with 20,000 miles

Thats good that they are making progress, hopefully they will learn from this and continue to improve the cleaning system. My Dads 22 Tacoma has a similar setup that is just for cleaning the valves, will be interesting to see how his does after 100k.

@alb12345672

Жыл бұрын

I have a GS 350 AWD which is a Tacoma in a Sedan. I would almost like to pull the intake and see, I am a bit above 100K.

@muttomaki1

Жыл бұрын

And the frame

@matt9c1

Жыл бұрын

@@muttomaki1 Frame issues on Toyota have been solved awhile ago. If you're going to be an ass, why not attack GM for their APM and their shitty torque converters.That problem is still ongoing from 2009 to today.

@rolandm9750

Жыл бұрын

Well there's only going to be so much improvement as fossil fuel burning engines are mostly ending development, with some carmakers having already stated they're not developing any new internal combustion engines ("ICE" as the nerdy folks like to say). So don't really matter much after this. Great that dual injection solves this, but how much longer it's going to be a problem for new cars, is another story.

@johnh9507

Жыл бұрын

@@rolandm9750 basically we are in big trouble, the government is finally going to ruin the auto industry

I have a 2014 F150 3.5L ecoboost with 167,000 miles on it now. I have no idea what the valves look like, but all I can say is (so far) it still runs great, idles smoothly and pulls strong. Pedal to the floor and boom, away you go (can't do it from a stop because it'll just spin, but you know ;-)) Hoping it stays running well. I do plan on cleaning the throttle body next year when it warms up (never been done) but like I said, it's still idling smoothly...but I wanted to do it anyway since it's easy to get to and probably should be done anyway, even though it's still idling smooth. I run full synthetic name brand oil, ford oil filter, I regularly use Hot Shot Secret stiction eliminator with the FR3 friction reducer. For me, so far so good. Runs great.

@andysecorod9952

Жыл бұрын

Glad your truck is running great, what region of the country do you live in? just trying to get a feel for the atmospheric conditions affecting the engines.

@ThePhotographyHobbyist

Жыл бұрын

@@andysecorod9952 near Cincinnati

@4fifty8

Жыл бұрын

I've got a 2013 3.5L with over 170,000 km. It runs great and I don't think it's had any cam phaser issues. It seems like the Gen 2 has more cam phaser issues than Gen 1 from what I've been reading....

@gabbygonzaga552

5 ай бұрын

Do you notice the hot shot secret stiction eliminator benefiting the truck?

@ThePhotographyHobbyist

5 ай бұрын

@@gabbygonzaga552 all I can say is that it still runs like new with just over 181,000 miles on it. The only thing I’ve had to do to the engine of any significance was replace all the coils but after 170,000 miles on them, I think I got my moneys worth out of the factory coils. Anyway, I do believe that product keeps the bearings clean in the turbos and other areas of the engine which helps keep everything lubricated. The frustrating thing is it still runs like new but I started hearing the timing chain/cam phaser rattle on start up occasionally after it had been sitting a little while and I’m sure that’s related to the known issue with the timing change stretch. I will keep putting that off until it truly becomes a problem but it’s a shame because that’s the only thing so far that would cause a lot of major work and expenses

Thanks for the video Brian take care of yourself and family ❤️❤️👍. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family ❤️❤️❤️.

I have been waiting for this video. It looks like oil catch cans would still be a good idea.

Thanks, great information as always! Do you recommend any type of fuel additives or cleaners for the 2nd generation that may help with the build-up?

@trackpackgt877

24 күн бұрын

I looked into this exact thing Berrymans B12 chemtool is a really good fuel injection/valve cleaner u put a can into the fuel tank every so often. Also use your remote start in morning and let it idle 10-15 min before u head out when its idling it uses port injection spraying on the intake valve and with the B12 it will make them squeaky clean!!

I would really like to see a comparison of 2 similar truck one with a catch can and one without to see how much of a difference they really make.

@FordTechMakuloco

Жыл бұрын

No need I can tell you now it only cuts it in half.

@EnthusiastsGarage

Жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco good to know, thanks. glad I put one on my raptor when it was new.

Excellent video for those of us who are curious. Most people dont have a clue. I have a 3rd gen 3.5 D4S 3.5 tacoma 2021 30 k. We'll see in the future on this engine.

Loved it keep up the good work and Mary Christmas and happy New Year's

First gen Ecoboost customer traded in. 5k oil changes, full synthetic. Drove perfectly, no major maintenance was done to the truck, no intake cleaning. 200k miles.

I have a 2012 3.5 with over 180K on it. No catch can and original timing set. Runs great in warm Florida. Do you think I should have the valve walnut blasted clean or wait for symptoms and have it torn down for cleaning? Merry Christmas!

Always entertaining while on lunch break

great comparison thank you for the info! Merry Christmas!

When i was young a valve job was a standard maintenance service , most shops had a valve grinder. If you made it past 50k miles you were doing great. The buildup on the valves meant standing at the wire wheel a good amount of time. We have come a long way.

@wdbressl

Жыл бұрын

You also needed to take the plugs about every 1500 miles and have them sandblasted at the local garage. Back then it was due to the leaded gas we used.

@frozenstang3868

Жыл бұрын

@@wdbressl Yup , i remember Zellers used to sell reconditioned spark bolts. lol Back then we did not just throw things away. Today plugs are much harder to access so if you go in just replace while your there.

@s60t5M

Жыл бұрын

Wonder how much the reconditioned spark bolts cost back then?

@frozenstang3868

Жыл бұрын

@@s60t5M Ha my memory is not that good, it was 40 yrs ago but probly half of a new set. They were cleaned and filed and gapped. My dad had a shop back then and like most we had a spark plug tester and cleaner sold by champion.

Merry Christmas to you and your family, Brian.

Brian did my timing chain, walnut blast, and cooling system flush. Runs like a Beast again; I installed a Full Race Eco-Beast intercooler kit with TurboSmart BOV. Runs like a champ again.

@gabbygonzaga552

5 ай бұрын

When did you get your timing chain replaced? I didnt think these trucks needed a replacement and it should last well into 200k+ miles. Is that not true?

Merry Christmas, Brian! Semper Fi !

Great video Brian! I'll be honest - I'm still a bit disappointed with carboning on that 2nd gen Ecoboost. That said, it's still better than nothing. Maybe Ford needs a new fuel curve map where it runs strictly on the port injection for a day a couple of times a year? I'd be willing to put up with some reduced power mode if it meant reducing de-carboning costs down the road. I know it's may be a bit irrelevant with a timing chain replacement at the 100-150K mark anyways, but it'll still save labor and materials cost when needed. BTW - Happy Holidays and a Merry Christmas to you and your family and the viewers!

@robc7323

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking something similar... perhaps switch to 2 pulses of the port fuel injector for every one pulse of the GDI injector. That should cut the carbon buildup to roughly a third of the Gen 1. Of course it would sacrifice a bit of fuel economy/power.

@scarletboa

Жыл бұрын

I monitor DI vs FI rates on my 2019 3.5 f150. At low load, it primarily runs port injection. At warm idle, low speed cruising and light acceleration, it uses almost entirely port injection. At highway speeds, it uses 40-80% direct injection. It is always using the port injectors at least somewhat. The 2nd gen 3.5 is primarily port injected and adds DI as needed. Fuel system cleaners DO work to clean the valves. If you want to reduce valve buildup, start using techron additive or another fuel system cleaner with PEA.

@jdcarguy1242

Жыл бұрын

Likely a commuter vehicle. The trucks need heavier use to do what they need. More load equals more fuel equals cleaner valves.

Thanks for the comparison video. Very helpful, and somewhat encouraging that dual injection offers some relief. Welcome your opinion on how well religious frequent oil changes (5000 miles) would help avoid carbon build up (due to oil not breaking down as much) vs. long oil change intervals. Merry Christmas.

@georgeburns7251

Жыл бұрын

Changing oil is about as good as changing your socks. Too bad there are no magic bullets for carbon buildup. But if you use that really expensive purple oil and go to church every week you can pretend

@justinvanderkooi3604

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 Silverado 5.3 gdi just had it apart to replace a failed lifter at 137k miles. Very little carbon buildup. Mechanic said it looked really good. Used on a farm hard use and dirt roads a lot. Replaced air filters and oil often. Oil changes at 4-5000 miles Napa filters. Shorter oil change intervals help. The bad lifter didn’t damage cam. Lifters replaced and continue driving.

@rays7437

Жыл бұрын

Crappy corn gas (ethanol) is hard on oil and makes carbon problems worse. Religious oil changes are essential for the VCT system (timing) and will help prevent leaks and other carbon problems, but won't help much with this design of engine. De-carbon services are going to be required periodically. My techs are recommending every 30 to 40K miles. Using high QUALITY fuel will help, such as Chevron/Texaco. If you can find a station that sells non ethanol fuel, that would be ideal. It's amazing how much better the engines run on gas with no ethanol.

@gregjohnson2073

Жыл бұрын

@@justinvanderkooi3604 Kind of low miles for a bad lifter.

@Maynardd

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeburns7251 Haha! do you even hear yourself? Changing oil is everything! And yes regardless of what the manufacturer says you should never go over 5000 miles no matter what oil you’re using. Any mechanic will tell you there are multiple issues you can avoid by changing your oil regularly. And you should also change your socks regularly!

Amazing content yet again!

Thank you for a very short and easy to understand explanation

I have an Ecoboost with 200k miles. I use an oil with a really low volatility and I do the CRC direct injection cleaner myself every 50k miles. I’ve had absolutely zero issues the valves stay exceptionally clean. It seems like a really good “true” synthetic oil keeps the intake valves much cleaner because it evaporates much less. Also a catch can really helps as well.

Great video as usual, thank you. I was aware of this from early on on my 2011 f150 3,5 eco boost. I maintained it very well and put a lot of cross country highway miles on it. I made sure it got warmed up on every use by consolidating trips. I traded it in after 210,000 miles this past summer. It still ran great but want to continue to travel in my retirement. I was always amazed at the torque and towing power of a little over 200 cubes a few times grossing 11-12000 lbs Ohio to New Mexico. Thanks for your channel.

Great video. I put catch cans on my Eco Boost and seems to help a lot

Great comparison video Brian you’re good in what you do thanks peace n love bro happy holiday to you and your family 🎉

That's why it's of great consideration to get an air oil separator where the oil drains back to the crankcase and it's kept out of the intake... The crankcase ventilation system has a lot to do with the buildup and The port side injectors aren't fired enough to help keep the carbon from building up. Also the EGR is placing exhaust that hasn't been cleaned through the catalytic converters first before drawing the exhaust into the intake manifold. Toyota and Lexus have it right in firing both port and direct injection during idle, cruising and light load situations. Ford, GM and FCA need to follow suit with what Toyota / Lexus is doing with the D-4S dual injection setup. The same could be said for Subaru since Subaru is owned by Toyota.

@matthewmiller2268

Жыл бұрын

Toyota and Lexus did it right for both direct/port injection fires together during lite to moderate load, cruise speed and direct during hard acceleration, but they should've did both during hard acceleration as well...Ford should've programmed for both direct/port injection to fire during hard acceleration to avoid excessive carbon buildup or buildup period from taking place.

@carsten4594

Жыл бұрын

What I meant to say was: "The crankcase vent system has everything to do with carbon buildup in the intake system".

@matthewmiller2268

Жыл бұрын

@@carsten4594 The EGR is a part of it too

@carsten4594

Жыл бұрын

It's a shame we can't dump the crankcase vent directly into the exhaust system.

@kckrol85

Жыл бұрын

@@carsten4594 So realistically how much will a catch can help? I'm looking at a Ford 3.0l and I don't think they have dual inject on it.

I'm very interested to see valves on a dual-mode injected engine when it's been run on E85. I have a 2019 5.0 F150 and run a couple tanks of E85 every few months to try and keep carbon buildup to a minimum.

@rays7437

Жыл бұрын

From the engines I've seen in the shop that were run on E85, it's not good. They look like they have been running for many hundreds of thousands of miles. But, I haven't seen a 5.0 yet.

@justanotheroglesby2847

Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen a Mazdaspeed L3 the same as 2.3 but no vvt on exhaust. No catch with egr running meth at the TB still pretty nasty but better. Also seen with cans no egr 4 extra port running e30 mix stay cleaner. Then again both fuel systems run at same time with split fuel controller.

@justingill5256

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you always run 20 mins plus after fill, oz tuning is the way to go performance and reliability check out omegax flex fuel tune

@shawnsanders9450

Жыл бұрын

My gen 3 Coyote runs somewhere between 70%-85% Ethanol all the time. Only time it uses 100% Unleaded is after oil changes per recommended by Ford. I bet anything everything is clean as can be. I have seen other engines opened up that ran E85 all the time and there was no carbon on anything. I'm talking they looked brand new. The only thing you need to worry about with Ethanol is water and the corrosion from it. So long as the Ethanol doesn't get old in the car it should be a non issue. Also, it will break down the oil a alot faster. Even thought my car takes 10 quarts of oil to combat oil breakdown i change it every 3 months regardless. I only put like 1 or 2k miles on it in that time but better safe than sorry. I also use the best full synthetic oils.

@marlu6373

Жыл бұрын

stop using that crap/

Great subject! Thanks for posting.

Man great camparo! Thanks. Merry Christmas!

Opinions please: If you were buying a new 2.0Ecoboost Maverick 2023, would you recommend an oil catch canister be installed within the first couple thousand miles and if so would this void the factory warranty? Or just wait and get walnut blasting after 30K or 40K miles? (with frequent oil changes Pennzoil UltraPlatnium and use premium fuel)

@ALMX5DP

Жыл бұрын

I have one on our Focus ST. Never had any warranty work or issues when dealers did oil changes (every other just so they could document while it was in warranty). We get 1-3oz every oil change in the can. In my mind it can’t hurt to keep that out of the intake. Last I checked was at 50k and it looked good (not as good as a port injected engine but still). We also drive it pretty hard which I feel helps with heat and additional pressures to burn what’s there off.

The root cause is the cam timing causes the intake valves to open up as the engine is on the end of the exhaust stroke. This pushes exhaust back up the intake to be drawn in and burned again. This is how the automakers got rid of the EGR systems on engines. We can thank the EPA for all of the carbon build up issues on DI engines.

@hotrodray6802

Жыл бұрын

Actually it's the PCV putting blowby into the intake.

@zaffo757

Жыл бұрын

@@hotrodray6802 that's what I think.

@danielrobert7181

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you about the mechanical cause of that carbon build-up but the EPA shouldn't be blamed for promoting clean air. Look towards profit-driven manufacturers that short-circuit testing programs and underfund engineering departments. They sell ill tested designs and then, look elsewhere when, more than often, their gamble backfires. Regards !

@matthewjohnson775

Жыл бұрын

@Daniel Robert the buyers that are early adopters are the testers. Lol

@anthonylanglois8267

Жыл бұрын

Damn the EPA for giving us cleaner air and water. Selfish SOBs. Sounds like Ford is to blame with poor engineering standards.....

Merry Christmas Brian & Family!

I used the intake cleaner for direct injection on my 2012 3.5 eco boost. A buddy has a 2012 3.5 and it was running rough. We used some intake cleaner for direct injection and let it set for a few minutes. We took it for a ride and that thing did everything but run right for a couple miles. Missing, spitting check engine light flashing, coughing. After a couple miles light went out and ran totally smooth. It’s evident to me it hadn’t been cleaned in a while. I did my 2012 every 30,000 miles and I sold a strong 3.5 at 180,000 miles. Only time the engine had a wrench on it was when I did a antifreeze flush and got the water pump leaking. Never a fuel system problem.

The 2019 with 125k miles obviously had more rural/highway use which alone may have reduced carbon build up. Getting rid of direct injection completely and putting the camshaft(s) back in the block sure would make for much higher reliability and probably 300k miles before any major engine work would be required. I believe overall carbon footprint would be as good or better too if you consider everything.

@jamesmedina2062

Жыл бұрын

direct is a power adder but pollution adder too so EPA should ban it or regulate it for that.

@MH-wo4be

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmedina2062 They do regulate emissions, the entire reason the dual fuel system exists to to help with soot emissions.

So, while the dual injection system somewhat works, would the recommendation be to run Techron more often like every third or fourth tank of gas. This video has really emphasize the need of utilizing an oil catch can. Your thoughts!

@ALMX5DP

Жыл бұрын

I think any top tier fuel will have a good additive package. But in DI engines there simply isn’t much getting back onto the back sides of the intake valves. Catch cans are helpful. I pull 1-3oz every oil change and at 50k our DI 2.0T still looked fine, I’ll have to check again when it hits 100k (20 to go).

@rays7437

Жыл бұрын

Techron is a great product, it is patented, and the only additive that cleans Sulphur from the fuel system. I just always go to Chevron or Texaco since it already has Techron in it. There are other "top tier" places around but in fuel quality testing we've had to do in the shop over the years, those other top tier stations far exceed the allowable ethanol percentages.

My 11 F150 3.5 had 195k miles with no catch can and runs as good as the day I bought it new. I’ve gone through misfire issue with plugs and have drilled the intercooler pipe condensation relief hole. Overall been a great truck using Mobile 1 synthetic 4-8K with wix filters. Have friends with over 200K with no issues also. “Will have drivability issues”……”lucky to get 150K without changing timing chain” Those absolute statements can lose credibility. Yes many trucks have those issue but….. Keep up the great content just wanted get my 2 cent out. Thanks

Really great video! Thanks for all the info!

Thanks for your nice info-clip and I still think that Ford is the best out of the three but I stepped away from them since they (even owning 20% of Cummins) wouldn't let go of the dqrn V8 Diesel engines and now they change the engine sizes more often than some folks their long johns!

New or used which engine is the most reliable, the 5.0 or the ecoboost? Also which model year is better. I've been driving a 2006 Expedition with 180k miles and compared to others I've had very few issues. My guess is other than tires I've spent less $3k on shop repairs. My wife hates the vehicle mostly because of the age and is pushing me to purchase another vehicle. That's for your channel and I must say this is my go to channel for the few repairs I've done on my own.

@shawnkleveland3967

Жыл бұрын

V8. I got the 5.0L in my 14 f150 get 17.7mpg. Bigger the motor less stress. Plus v6 turbos will eventually go out. 2014 is not 1st Gen. After 2015 was a change of model. Never get 1st year model change. I would say big issue watch coolant. Hoses have plastic y with orings that leak around 100k.

@shawnkleveland3967

Жыл бұрын

I would still keep Expedition doesn't owe you money. Free miles, wear, tear. Plus extra vehicle when needed.

@tswej

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnkleveland3967 I'm a fan of the big engines myself. I have really gotten my money's worth out of that Expedition and to be honest it will be passed down to my son I usually keep vehicles for about 10 yrs before I pass them down but this one has held up really well and it still running good.

Interesting, thanks Brian and Merry Christmas 👍😁

I love your show, thank you. I currently own a 2016 F150 3.5 ecoboast 100,000 miles. Recently I have been experiencing 2 limp mode alarms; "Hill Descent Control Fault & Service Advance Trac" I took it to a transmission shop and his scanner read the following: Codes #1- U3013 ABS control module input power C. #2- U0401invalid data received from ECM/TCM. The transmission shop sent my vehicle to a general mechanical shop and they found 3 pins on different connectors with corrosion, 1- right rear tail light, 2- rear camera and 3- the main harness going to the rear. I was not experiencing any issues with lights or camera. It's been a week since I got my vehicle back and the same limp mode reoccurred 6x's. I seems to occur when the drivetrain is not up to optimum temperature i.e.like backing out of the driveway 1st thing in the morning, after that everything is fine. Any ideas? Merry Christmas, Ben

Vehicles aren’t designed to last nowadays, they’re designed to just last until warranty runs out Edit: Also most people don’t maintain a vehicle like they should. Most don’t even read through the manual or even do a little research. I’ve heard numerous people buy into “The fluid in my such and such is lifetime fluid” and that’s a big no no. Fluids break down and get dirty. Yet another false thing car makers are promoting “lifetime fluid” it’s BS

@gianfrancoa

Жыл бұрын

Especially FORDs

@louiswestfall9622

Жыл бұрын

Where have you been, they’ve been designed that way for decades.

@adambennett2176

Жыл бұрын

@gianfrancoa ford's the best!!!! Rams chevys all suck!!!!

@dakotabrown7698

Жыл бұрын

I think it has to do more with that being peoples mentality than the designers intentions. Maintenance is key and it shows.

@frank23103

Жыл бұрын

The manufacturer does not have the buyers best interest in mind. They care about profitability and repeat buyers.

Should we even be having carbon issues in 2023😅u would think by now they would have some sort of miracle fix for that

@ToyManFlyer1100

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they do...Planned Obsolescence...You buy a new car ev'ry 5 years...

@MagMan4x4

Жыл бұрын

These aren't 2023 model vehicles, The Gen1 EB is more than a decade old.

Great video! Very comprehensive.

Really really good info especially for people buying used

Just having to do timing chain work at 100K is enough reason not to buy one

@dogshmog

Жыл бұрын

But is that on gen1 or gen2 , or both?

@topsecretmx5142

Жыл бұрын

I think timing chain issues with proper maintenance is rare we had and ecoboost from 35k miles to 145k miles with good maintenance syn oil changes every 5k with no issues.

@raymondreyes7947

Жыл бұрын

A lot of the issues fall on the owner ex: oil change intervals, fuel used, and preventative maintenance

@jamesmedina2062

Жыл бұрын

someone at Ford kicks the can down the road and then its someone else's problem

Awesome comparisons, like you said still carbon build up, but not as bad on the 2nd gen.

I find this really interesting as a VW guy. There used to be a ton of speculation that the VW euro fueling strategy (port and di simultaneously) would help our own domestic VW's with carbon buildup. The blanks for port injectors are just sitting right there on every US VW intake manifold, although they mostly get used for methanol injection by tuners and not gas here in the states. Then I heard otherwise from an industry engineer, her explanation was that it was purely a euro emissions compliance tech in practice, and that if there was a carbon effect it was minor enough not to be why it was used. For VW's part their most recent DI revision (2015 on the GTI to start) put a hollow sleeve around the balance shaft with large holes in it. They route oil vapor through that en route to the PCV, which slings the larger oil concentrations away from the potential intake stream and back into the engine. It's not perfect based on my last look into my wife's GTI, but she's at 170+k miles on her 2016 GTI, with no cleanout, and there's no idle or driveability issues as of yet. I don't think I've ever seen a previous gen 2.0T from them get past 90k without severe buildup so that is clearly working for them on some level.

Great video and analysis thanks!

Thanks Brian..... now I have something to show "doubters"......!!!

Thanks for the info. Being informed is good.

142k TUNED miles on my 17 F-150 3.5. Runs like a champ.

Brian, Great video - thank you this! Paul