"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins championships.” -Bear Bryant

@tcguanz

3 жыл бұрын

Offence wins league, defence wins cup

@darthhideous9084

3 жыл бұрын

Roll tide.

@davidvalencia129

3 жыл бұрын

@@tcguanz 100% true!

@Aesthetically_Queen

3 жыл бұрын

tcguanz correct

@iwantgoals1566

3 жыл бұрын

I think balance is key. If you’re too defensively minded you’re sitting deep and soaking up pressure which makes it harder for you to score and win. If you’re attacking all the time and not defending your lead, you’ll throw points away. In Liverpool’s case, their defence is so rock solid it gives attacking players the freedom to be creative and score at will.

Tifo football: Does defence actually wins titles Mourinho: I sink so

@otto_jk

3 жыл бұрын

Every Mourinho team has had great attacking players. Drogba, Lampard, Robben, Costa, Milito, Etoo, Zlatan, Snejder, CR7, Kaka, Higuain, Bensema, Özil, Lukaku, Kane, Son.

@MeazurAli

3 жыл бұрын

"three nil, three nil.. Respect respect"

@harshit7736

3 жыл бұрын

@@otto_jk yeah the 2004-2010 era of mourinho was just masterpiece interms of attack and defence both

@aaquibtayyabi

3 жыл бұрын

@@MeazurAli sree*

@tamunotamuno3564

3 жыл бұрын

Otto JK so

I remember reading a statistic that said that three teams that were relegated in the Serie A scored around the same amount of goals as title winners AC Milan in the same season. That's probably a good example of how the defense is extremely important in winning titles.

@mmw4990

3 жыл бұрын

Milan won the league scoring only 36 goals (I think in 1996)

@123scorer

3 жыл бұрын

Milan scored 36, 1 goal more than relegated Udinese and Atalanta in 1993/94

@mmw4990

3 жыл бұрын

@@123scorer my bad, don't know why I said 32.

@Lions4322

3 жыл бұрын

Put that into context and now look at Atalanta, haha. 80 or so goals.

@TheRafaelBond

3 жыл бұрын

And an even better is that the team scoring the most goals wins the CL almost every year... idiot.

I love how there's all this deep analysis just to tell us "scoring more goals and conceding as few as possible is probably for the way forward".

@anutoldlegend89

3 жыл бұрын

Right, which is pretty much what defense is there for, to hold out the game until you can edge ahead. I think they tried to overthink this one just a little too much.

@mohammedosman5366

3 жыл бұрын

I think better defences win you titles. If you have one or two quality attackers, you’ll always nick a goal.

@mikeypday

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I thought the same thing

@matheuscerqueira7952

3 жыл бұрын

And the answer would actually be control

@anutoldlegend89

3 жыл бұрын

@@matheuscerqueira7952 but that's not the answer either, especially in modern football. Most teams are ok with you having possession if they're better and more potent when they have it.

"Your Skrtel evolved into a Van Djik" 😅😅

@keytostart7053

3 жыл бұрын

I thought Skrtel evolved into Wartortle.....?

@user-jw3us7dy6f

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Leyland wtf u living in the past this is in the new pokemon game pokemon diamond crystal pearl black gem XXIIIVV

@keytostart7053

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-jw3us7dy6f its a joke dude, skyrtel sounds like squirtle.

@gerdmullersgrandson6929

3 жыл бұрын

@@keytostart7053 that was a joke aswell

@coralpilled

3 жыл бұрын

That got me good

VVD got them EVs maxed on defence

@RobinGray88

3 жыл бұрын

His nature is prob relaxed as well

@bri1085

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@ridwanulislam2511

3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see some Pokemon references.

@arkannaufal6879

3 жыл бұрын

With the move body press vvd is op

@tetusooooo

3 жыл бұрын

VVD def got max-PP on Defense Curl

5:24 Skrtel is evolving? Nice graphic! He was good at his best and very poor at his worst. Whereas Van dijk is supreme at his best and average at his worst. Of course, Skrtel is a warrior who gave his all in every single game. He peaked at various times of his career and contributed massively with his headers, but his tackling and errors were hard to be overlooked.

@keytostart7053

3 жыл бұрын

In 2013 no player scored more goals against Liverpool than Skrtel... 6 own goals. What a guy!

@siddharthm4248

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, he scored more than Fernando Torres did in 2013/14 season. will always cherish his headers in that Arsenal game

My sandwich for lunch was sponsored by The Athletic

@yaboyMAP

3 жыл бұрын

it probably provided them with a source

@nidhalmahjoubi7964

3 жыл бұрын

This joke is dead because they're part of the Athletic now... Can we just move on?

@bens4602

3 жыл бұрын

@@yaboyMAP sauce*

@bens4602

3 жыл бұрын

was your sandwich excellent reading for Liverpool fans?

@alvinanis3006

3 жыл бұрын

@@nidhalmahjoubi7964 Booo joke police 😡

A skrtel evolved into van dijk? Love that What about a karius evolved into an adrian?

@yugoutsunomiya7642

3 жыл бұрын

Actually the numbers suggests that karius is better by a few margin than Adrian and mignolet. Yeah, i'm shocked too

@ratonroman

3 жыл бұрын

Kemal Fajar thats like a ratata evolving into raticate nothing special

@judyclarkson5887

3 жыл бұрын

@@yugoutsunomiya7642 In hindsight, maybe that tragedy that happened to Karius in Kyiv was the main factor that made Klopp went all in for Ali in the next transfer window. And it's all paid out big time for them!

@stuckupcurlyguy

3 жыл бұрын

Karius was a good keeper who had a shocking game. It's a shame for him, but it happens.

@richardbanibensu3046

3 жыл бұрын

Bro stats suggest Karius was better

Skrtel should be evolving into Wrturtel

The Coutinho transfer fee was spent on VVD and AB. Liverpool sacrificed creativity in midfield for defence, which was vital in them turning from a good team to a top team.

It's interesting to see that until 2004 it was the attack who decided the PL title and after 2004 it became the defense. Mourinho really changed football!

Does defence actually wins titles? Ask 2010 Inter Milan squad.

@jacksquat7850

3 жыл бұрын

mourinho didnt win anything in a long time though, perhaps it is no longer a viable tactic?

@mikerozema18

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@keytostart7053

3 жыл бұрын

Ask current Man City squad, they can tell you what looses titles.....and its certainly not goal-drought!

@TheRafaelBond

3 жыл бұрын

Ask 2011 Barca. Ask 2013 Bayern. Ask 2014 Real... Ask 2015 Barca... etc etc etc... stupid.

@jacksquat7850

3 жыл бұрын

@DEMONIC MACHINE he coached man united and tottenham im not sure what your standarts are but his tactic are clearly not as affective as they used to be

Lionel Messi wins you titles Ask Barça

@rampadmanabhan4258

3 жыл бұрын

That's going quite well right now...

@konstancja74

3 жыл бұрын

Or not.

@SerNaseweis

3 жыл бұрын

Ask Argentina...

@raiankure7352

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah we saw that in previous 2 champions leagues

@ramonlegaspi457

3 жыл бұрын

BobbyG I will use this as a burn to my barca fanboy friends

Just imagine the Nightmare A manager has.....when Mustafi Phil Jones And David Luiz with Karius as the Goalie.....🤣🤣🤣

@markv9

3 жыл бұрын

Karius wasn't that bad except for the CL final where he have concussion then his form just goes to league 1

@brenaxquiny8639

3 жыл бұрын

@@markv9 And he was never seen in a Liverpool shirt ever again after that, one of the best decision Liverpool made

@yoosufalbaaqir

3 жыл бұрын

The mamager would be fired Or the agent will be fired Or the team.would be so bad that those 3 would be best in the team

@abhaagrawal5780

3 жыл бұрын

MARK VILASKHAMPHEE Ligue 1 is actually the fifth best league in Europe. So shut up pl fanboy.

@LORD-kg4sl

3 жыл бұрын

@@markv9 stop using concussion as an excuse the concussion was in 1st half and he played through out the game

Chelsea 2004-05 Goals conceded - 15

Yes, you only need to look at Liverpool in 2013/14 with Mignolet, Lovren, Skrtel etc who came close to the title and compare that team to this season. Yes the attack is also better now but the major difference is the back four and keeper

@anonymousperson3023

3 жыл бұрын

You ONLY? Wdym only? There are plenty of examples that support your notion and vice versa

@TheRafaelBond

3 жыл бұрын

The video literally showed you that statement is wrong, and yet 256 muppets and counting liked this.

@anutoldlegend89

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRafaelBond I think they're trying to underplay it statistically but football is a game of flow, if you look at defense being your best form of offense and vice versa, then what they're saying doesn't make much sense. I'm an Arsenal fan, we haven't won anything consistently since we've dashed our robust, defensive principals. And even with Liverpool, they had similar attacking players for several seasons and actually scored more goals but didn't achieve any honors till they shored up their spine. Stats don't necessarily prove everything in this game.

@matheuscerqueira7952

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRafaelBond The video showed that defense isn't more important than the attack, not that defense isn't a big factor in winning

@PissG

3 жыл бұрын

Lovren was still at Southampton when Liverpool finished 2nd in 2013-14 season

This couldn’t be more true. After van dijk, gomez and matips injuries. We have crumbled over the last months more than Joel’s ankles.

Absolutely ! Being secure at the back opens up a lot of possibilities for the team

Great vid! Love the graphic for ‘goals scored’ had a picture of Lacazette who hasn’t scored in 13 appearances! Trolling!

The more clips i watch the better they get. Brilliant. Love your videos

Appreciate the new graphics - and the content as always!

"Skrtel evolved to Van Dijk" 🤣

So many people on youtube misunderstood the idea of "attack / offense wins games, defense wins championships" The true idea behind this concept is that it is far easier to win championships with below average offense and best defense than best offense and below average defense. Hence, the correct way to analyze this concept is to look at all championship teams in the past and see their ranking in goals and ranking in goal conceded. Then find the worst offensive team that won the championship and the worst defensive team that won the championship. In almost all sports and all leagues, the lowest ranked offensive team to win championship is ranked much lower in offense than in defense.

In Italy we are used to say that the team with the best defense is more likely to win the title. This theory founds strong support to data: from 1992/93 to 2018/19, the best defense won 20 times (74%) meanwhile the best attack only 11 times (41%). In fact, football in Italy seems to be less attack-orientated than English one, and it reflects often in match spectacularity.

Best defense usually wins Tournaments. Best attacking usually wins leagues. Best of Both usually wins Trebol.

@sbongadlamini388

3 жыл бұрын

You can't win the league without a defense no matter how many you score, you still gonna concede more That's why City, Chelsea and Arsenal failed to mount a challenge this season

@ProskiPlays

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda think its the opposite. Attack usually wins tournaments especially if its a two leg game. Defence usually wins the league

@anubhav111196

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramavandika6646 pep has 2 UCLs tho

@ramavandika6646

3 жыл бұрын

@@anubhav111196 oh my bad, miscounted his trophies in Barca

@frankreynolds9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@sbongadlamini388 Chelsea's attack is almost as bad as their defense. They have problem scoring since 2020.

Would be interesting (but probably more complex) to do a similar analysis for knockout competitions. The Champions League and Europa League probably don't reveal as much because of two-leg ties, but certainly there are examples of strong defensive teams being successful in that format (although more recently the CL winner has usually been an attacking powerhouse).

As a Japanese I love that Maya Yoshida showed up as a face of Saints' defensive performance in 14-15, and the Tifo's version of GameBoy!! Is there a merch available like that haha

Chelsea's record of 15 goals conceded in 04/05 will never be broken, that's up there with the Arsenal Invincibles achievement

Always love seeing football from data and analytics perspective, great content as always indeed

Great video Tifo. Insightful.

You guys need to have more tifoboy evolutions on future videos 😂😂

I remember watching one of your videos about how football teams playing home games have an advantage and perform better due them simply playing at home and the confidence they gain. And also the fans adding an extra boost to the team. Would be nice to have a follow up of that video since footballs back on, but without any fans. Do teams still have an advantage without the home fans?

AIK Fotboll won the 1998 Swedish Allsvenskan despite scoring just 25 goals in 26 games. All other 14 teams in the league outscored them that season, including Osters IF, who finished stone cold bottom. AIK only conceded 15 times, though; almost half as many as the next best defensive side that year, Helsinborgs IF (28 conceded). Love that story.

Skrtel evolving LOL! Great vid, thanks!

Skrtel evolved into van djik was the most amazing thing I saw today! I feel like going and playing pokemon on an emulator now since there's rains and corona outside

@user-jw3us7dy6f

3 жыл бұрын

don’t know why companies are making emulators illegal when they’re unwilling to sell copies of their games & consoles online.

Tifoboy! I love that they give us reasons to watch the video instead of passively listen.

You should do video about goals, defense and top 4, my guess it will be overwhelmingly about offense and goals scored.

I think you could add this variable into consideration, how those "defensive teams" scores their goal, is it Counter-attack? Forcing opponent mistakes from their build up (technically it's also a counter attack)?? Set piece? Open Play? But it'll takes hour and hours also massive efforts to examine...

For league titles balance is the key. Finding the correct synergy between attack and defence. You cannot defend for 38 games and win titles you have to win games. Especially since the award of points were changed from 2 for a win to 3. In international tournaments like world cup it is necessary to have a stronger defence than attack because you might only play 7 games if so much. So mistakes are critical.

Loved the Pokemon reference and the evolution of Skrtel into Van Dijk 😂

Totally agree. Italy 2006 -Fabio Cannavaro and Marco Materazzi Spain 2010 - Puyol, Ramos, Pique Germany 2014 - Hummels, Lahm, Boateng and Mertesacker. France 2018 - Umtiti and Varane

This gives me ptsd of the Ajax - ManU Europa league final a couple of years ago where ManU parked the bus from the beginning.. so frustrating to watch as an Ajax fan😂

Yes, best example is Liverpool, I remember when they would score a lot, but also conceded a lot goals as well, once they sured up their defence they won a CL and now have won the premier league.

What a great video! Keep it up!

When Leicester won in 2016 and Chelsea the following year, they had Kante in the team. He also won the World Cup that summer. Man City were calamitous with Claudio Bravo in goal and before they signed Laporte and Ederson. You could argue his injury was the biggest blow to their season. Same with the sigining of VVD - they are undoubtedly the MVPs at their clubs. Sir Alex Ferguson also said the biggest mistake he ever made as a manager was selling Jaap Stam. Not to mention Zidane and his infamous quote when they sold Makelele and signed Beckham.

The best one is Chelsea 2004/05 they conceded only 15 goals in the epl on there way to winning the league still a record to this day, never gonna be broken anytime soon

@purushothaman6698

3 жыл бұрын

All thanks to Mourinho the genius. Idk why he recieves a lot of hate

@ashutoshsingh7016

3 жыл бұрын

Liverpool in 1978-79 conceded 16 goals in 42 games, a better defence than Chelsea.

Skrtel evolving into Van Dijk was simply brilliant! 👏🏻

As a basketball coach I think people misunderstand the defense wins championships. It's not about having the lowest scoring defense, that can result from just holding the ball on offense. Having a great defense allows you to be more offensive knowing you're secure at the back. You may not give up the the fewest goals but it allows you to be more effective going forward and as a team as a whole. It has a holistic impact.

"God gave us grass to play football"----Brian Clough

Keep up the great work!

Loved the skrtel into van dijk bit! Brilliant!😂😂😂😂

This is why I love Sir Alex's quote. I reckon in truth he meant that in order to win titles you cannot just have good attack (which in any sport attacking plays are more interesting for people) but you need a formidable defence. Attack wins you games and winning games could lead to a title but without a proper defence you might end up losing the title on a goal difference like Sir Alex himself did in 2012.

Love u Tifo Football keep on postin 😘💟💟

lol@ Bloortech 5:15 We see you Seb.

Nice video, worry considering the improved/added leadership and distribution of players such as Van Dijk and Alisson?

A solid defence provide teams the platform to go out attack. Looking at the statistics alone only gives you part of the bigger picture

I saw another video on this. DW Football I think. But overall offense and scoring points is more important. Defense just helps tho

Not sure if you've done this already, but could you do a video analyzing the offensive boost, if any, of "3 points for a win" compared to 2?

Your SKRTL has been upgraded. Classic

. . . Skrtl is evolving! Haha the Pokemon reference was highly unexpected 😅

In NFL they say: "defence win championships"

@BenHutchinson92

3 жыл бұрын

They do, but even that looks past its prime now - the rule changes have made it so, the league is now dominated by big offenses and big plays

@nathanshlap

3 жыл бұрын

@@BenHutchinson92 Eh no this isn't really true. NFL teams have just learned to exploit far out spacing and modular routes/play calls. Also, most years, defense did win the championship (Pats, Hawks, Ravens, Broncos)

@BenHutchinson92

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanshlap you're right defense did win championships, i think thats changing though

@captainobvious8264

3 жыл бұрын

Nathan Shlapobersky Mahome’s offense definitely won the game last season, but wouldn’t have happened if they didn’t shut out the 49ers in the 4th. What I’m trying to say is, Aaron Rodgers would have had a few rings by now if he had a decent defense

@doncarloancelotti2256

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanshlap what about the Eagles? I don't follow the NFL btw

This is a superb breakdown of this topic, Tifo Football is the hub for awesome football information and analysis.

I think the reality is that you need both. Maybe a team leak goals here and there but score alot etc but its been a while since I seen a team win a big title with what I'd call a bad defence or a bad attack.

These videos are extremely satisfying to watch

Bloortech Tifoboy is an exciting device :D

liverpool in 2013/2014 had the best attack but didn't win the league due to their defense so yeah defence does win you titles

@bri1085

3 жыл бұрын

That was a season of margins, literally an incorrect call in December was all that separated the two sides

@joebarnes100

3 жыл бұрын

@@bri1085 that offside is a reason VAR is a godsend. I was so frustrated i could see sterling was onside in real time easily. Having to play the teams that finished 1st and 3rd in the space of 3 days probably didn't help either.

@bri1085

3 жыл бұрын

@@joebarnes100 Even that Chelsea game had dodgy officiating

@anonymousperson3023

3 жыл бұрын

Um, what? You used one example. I could easily counter with Inter Milan of the 09-10 season. Great offence. Okay defences and Inter won the league.

@anonymousperson3023

3 жыл бұрын

Also, Liverpool of 05-06. 25 goals conceeded all season, 3rd place.

The big surprise is Chelsea 16/17 weren't the best in any of the three categories. They won 30 out of 38 matches, finishing with 93 points! That was a 'great' side imo and Conte's use of a back three made it popular in England again.

5:30 is a bit harsh on Skrtel. Worse defensively when he didn’t play during his time at club. Particularly after Carraghers departure.

I'm finding from this video and comments section that Martin Skrtel is criminally underrated. A wall at the back for Liverpool, he was a solid centre half at Anfield for the best part of ten years. Some respect on his name please. Also, though it's cool n all to hate on Lovren, he's actually a very good centre back. If he had a little humility, we could all agree on that.

thanks Tifo good work

4:24 at the table of Liverpool's goalkeepers the last two rows should be from 2019/20, right?

@sanskritsuthar4452

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Looks like a mistake

It’s not necessarily about goals scored and conceded, it’s more about the quality of player in defence is more important than the quality of player in attack

"Yes" -Chelsea Fan

@mmsutsubox

3 жыл бұрын

Sad what i just see last night🤦

@DrLestrange-404

3 жыл бұрын

@@mmsutsubox "Attack wins the game"

@DrLestrange-404

3 жыл бұрын

Approved by 2012 UCL Title

You love Skrtel don't you haha whenever old Liverpool is mentioned he appears

I'm still waiting for my Skrtel to evolve in FIFA...

Tifoboy😂😂😂 Skrtel evolved to Van Dijk. I loved this part!

I don't know but I feel like defense in Football and winning championships with a dominant defense is less noticeable. Like in Basketball and American Football defense is so important and I've seen great defenses dominate games more often.

I agree that defence is important in the pursue of the title but the most important and necessary thing is the stable way to possess the space and the ball.

it absolutely does. seen it over and over and over in every sport. if you want to win you must first make sure you wont lose.

this aged so well

5:06 i think you wrote 2019/2020 as 2018/19

Defence is so underrated in football, just look at how much a striker sells for vs how much a defender sells for.

@gkd3n248

3 жыл бұрын

Harry maguire

@TheRafaelBond

3 жыл бұрын

thats because offense is more important since its a SCORING game, dummie.

@Dragonaut111

3 жыл бұрын

In the video it highlights its better to be an offensive team than defensive, as wins are far superior to draws. Naturally attacking players will be valued more.

@Junior-zf7yy

3 жыл бұрын

Dragonaut111 they also stressed that a good defence give you the stability to be better in attack. Defence is more important the fact that Van Dijk and Alisson came in and changed Liverpool into a champions league and premier league winning side cannot be overlooked.

@marpagapal3312

3 жыл бұрын

That's not so true anymore. Trainers, keepers and defenders gain importance every year.

I believe it is because title contenders are expected to win against the lower teams, but avoid a loss against their closest rivals can be the determining factor.

Pretty good analysis, but i think its different for champions league where Defence is far more valuable. I would like to see an analysis on that.

Does Defence wins you titles? Italy 2006: " Hold our Trophy"

The common wisdom of defence winning championships is more obvious and pronounced in sports where scoring is more frequent in general, and draws are less common. In those sports, reducing the number of scoring events on your side is more beneficial as it increases the chance of a win. But if the average match has 2.5 goals, and you reduce the number your side concedes by 0.5 per game, your chances of winning aren't so different, you're just making it harder for your side to lose. So the lower incidence rate of scoring in football means that generally, better defending is more useful for avoiding defeat than actually winning (which the video points out) because you cannot win without scoring goals.

A look into 1982 Legendary Brazilian team gives us the answer that indeed defense wins you titles.

If you rank teams by defence it will correlate very closely with actual league positions. Try it for yourself. When you do it for goals scored, teams are all over the place. Try it with any league table.

Good defense makes forwards feel more comfortable. You can regain possession as soon as you lost it and reinitiate the (counter) attack.

The evolution part cracked me up

"Does defense win titles?" Bayern: Sorry, what was that you were saying? I was busy scoring the 5th goal.

Defense wins games, attack decides the score, both are required to win titles, tifo can you do a video on player manager clubs please

May there are a little misunderstanding about that quote. Sir Alex said "Attack wins you game,Defense wins you title".That doesn't mean you might have a best defense and Zero attack.He said attack wins you game.And that wins will get you to the final of any competition and without winning a match you can't reach there.It's all about 49%-51% combination which was the actual meaning of Sir Alexs quote.It's like Attack - 49%,Defense - 51%. Without good defense you can't win a trophy easily and also without good attack you can't win games and you can't reach into the final.

With Liverpool, the signing of Alison, Van Djik and Fabinho won them titles.. it brought balance to the team and blocked all the loop holes in the teams system.

Surprising how people are amaze of Karius stats ,he was one of Klopps proudest singing *until* the final. Then he lost all confidence , hope he can get back on track Hart used to be World class (record premier league golden globes )and now he cant even start for burnley and thats sad

You need good defense and offense to win. You must prevent goals from being scored. You must also score goals. But overall, defense is more important, because you clog up your 1/3, and then launch a quick counter attack and you only need one or two fast strikers to score a quick goal on the counter. But, if you have a weak defense, even with a good offense, it is going to be hard to win; the opponent will go through you like swiss cheese.

I want a Tifoboy now. Imagine a machine purely for football games

There's a napkin rough example of this that you can see throughout Man United's Sir Alex career. Essentially, United was almost never the team with the fewest losses (aside from when they blew the league away) but they WAS almost always one of the teams with the fewest draws. The concept of "playing for a draw" was almost never in their playing philosophy and so they used solid defence to prop up the powerful attack who constantly looked for that winning goal even if it meant turning a D into an L sometimes. Because the majority of the time the D or L was turned into a W or D respectively because of "Fergie Time." Now, I fully accept that playing for a draw is a solid tactical decision in specific situations. But the Ferguson-era shows the one result that people tend to overlook and what (eye-balling the figures) actually made a difference in his teams winning the leagues to when they didn't. Side Note - If you want one of the times playing for a draw was a major negative to all bar the club's own supporters, look to the Invincible Arsenal team. They've admitted in the past that they ended up focusing on the draws at the end of the season just to get the undefeated record rather than actually "play football" in the way they had been the rest of the season.

''Congratulations! Your SKRTEL evolved into VAN DIJK!'' oh god I almost fell off my chair lol