Do you think caffeine makes a big difference to you? ☕

@JoopLammerts

Ай бұрын

I'm getting a headache without coffee, so yes 😅

@chrisridesbicycles

Ай бұрын

Based on today‘s training session I‘d say yes but it is still unclear if the playlist was the dominant effect.

@mileslong9675

Ай бұрын

There are times that caffeine makes me sleepy. No explanation for that. When bicycling however, I like an occasional stop for coffee. Can’t measure it, but it seems to have a positive effect.

@simonwoodthrillerwriter

Ай бұрын

I've been drinking coffee since I was 11 (blame my aunt) and I don't know if it has something to do with drinking coffee from a young age but I don't get a buzz off coffee & caffeine and I don't suffer the side effects from not having it either.

@Choedron

Ай бұрын

YES!!!! If I drink too much coffee, I run much faster to the toilet 🤣😂

I don't think coffee makes me go any faster, but it does make me go more often.

@Przemo-c

Ай бұрын

I mean coffee is proven to make you go #2

@alinapopescu872

Ай бұрын

@@Przemo-c That's mostly why I drink it daily.

@FL-ym6hm

Ай бұрын

😂

@dmitrypalaev3323

Ай бұрын

@@Przemo-c It is actually proven to make you go both #1 and #2.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

🤣 When that pre ride coffee hits!

Or…..Did Manon mess up the coffee order during the cup shuffle? Haha😂

@michaeljohnson254

Ай бұрын

yeah she did.....jesus this show is so fake

I‘m sure the difference was the Pogi tuft that Conor had hanging out of the helmet on the second attempt. That‘s 40W extra easily.

@keiththeron5905

Ай бұрын

And what about the watts consuming flappy jacket😅

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Hahahah! The pog tuft makes all the difference 👀

I drink coffee, because I simply like it. Not for any sort of cycling gains. An addict? Pretty much yes. So here it is, my big thumb up! 👍

@krissk77

Ай бұрын

Same here.. got myself a small espresso to make my own as and when needed..

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with just enjoying the coffee ☕

Bike addiction + coffee addiction = perfect day

I think I've had that much coffee over the years there's no effect any more.

@cccycling5835

Ай бұрын

I would think this too, but a coffee still gets me the same way no matter what day. Even two coffees is too much some days.

@andrewgturnbull

Ай бұрын

Same, same. But on the other hand I think I now rely on it... if I'm undercaffeinated then we're going to have a problem!

@MattSwain1

Ай бұрын

This is my thinking too. I generally drink decaf coffee and then when I need a boost the caffeine actually does something rather than needing it just to function at all. The flip side of this that I’m quite sensitive to it now so if I have more than maybe a couple the crash that comes afterwards can be quite severe

@andrewgturnbull

Ай бұрын

@Stefan_W. abstinent as well? It's hard enough being off the coffee! :-)

@johnstrac

Ай бұрын

@@Stefan_W. are we still talking about coffee ?

Coffee is an essential part of my morning but not my cycling. I don't do coffee breaks as part of bike rides. Have observed groups of cyclists having chatty coffee and cake breaks, and have wondered if it's the socialising aspect that is most important.

@leangrypoulet7523

Ай бұрын

I certainly agree. Cake and coffee is the social aspect surely, because it can't be the best way to train (if that is the purpose of the ride) stopping mid-way for an hour, cooling down, muscles stiffening up and then filling yourself with cake and coffee. Or beer and burgers. 🤔

@krissk77

Ай бұрын

I only take coffee at home... home made... no cafe coffee for me.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

It's certainly all about the social side 🙌 We love a natter and a drink 👌

I'm so used to loads of coffee, that cafeine doesn't really do anything for me anymore. However, the ABSENCE of caffeine really is noticeable lol

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Do you need it to stay at a normal level?

@QoraxAudio

Ай бұрын

@@gcn Yes, I need it to get in a good mood and it helps prevent getting sore muscles. I know that sounds weird, but somehow I get a ton of sore muscles after a strong workout whenever I didn't take my daily dose of caffeine!

Great video! Thanks so much. Loved the extra science mixed in from Andy. My question is did Hank and Conor wait 50-60 minutes between the coffee and the ride for the caffeine to reach maximal effectiveness? That might explain why the results of the testing were not terribly conclusive.

@richardneel6953

Ай бұрын

Had the same question.

@Vesmari

Ай бұрын

Wonder the same.

Really happy you covered this. I've been having a lot of issues dialing in my nutrition lately and am very affected by caffeine. This will help me tweak things a bit!

Fascinating results... mind blown!!!

I do a lot of long rides. I usually wait till around half way to have some coffee. After breathing hard for a couple of hours I feel the coffee clears my throat and makes my mouth breath easier. I always feel as if a 12 oz coffee gives me a boost about a half hour after getting back on the road. Love the smell and taste of black coffee.

Yes I was surprised with the results as well. Very interesting. I got a test a couple of my friends and give it a go. We got some nice long hills here where I live.

Love the video. Thanks.

Excellent balanced input from the Precision Hydration guy (sorry forgot his name). Really pleased to see that in spite of selling caffeine products in their range he is not pushing it as the ultimate solution for all riders. Very good indeed.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Andy is a fountain of knowledge! We're super happy to PF&H as a partner 😍

I like to have a green tea before heading out to ride, I don't need it but it helps a little bit. A full coffee is a bit much and heading down the path to addiction and headaches though.

@questgivercyradis8462

Ай бұрын

Tea here too! Almost all coffee gives me a stomach ache. Tea of many types is good. English breakfast in the morning, greens/oolings mid-day.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

That's a great middle ground. Would that be your mid ride stop drink of choice too?

@questgivercyradis8462

Ай бұрын

Iced tea + lemonade. Just had that while out in hot sun to refill my water bottle and it was perfect. Not the kidney punching sugar bomb of just lemonade, since the tea cut it. Still enough sugar to get some fuel.

I love that Manon did the swap tease on them.

That was a super fun video.. Well done.

I have an espresso about 30 mins before I start every ride. Every morning I make a moka of 6 espressos and drink it to myself. During the day I have at least another four espressos. I sleep like a baby too. I’m so used to it I don’t get the buzz unless I drink at least four in a bar ( I live in Italy) one after another. However I do feel the difference when riding. Spectacular vid guys, keep em coming. Very interesting too.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Wow! Would you ever swap to decaf?

@stujm8376

Ай бұрын

@@gcn nope

@fb19700101

Ай бұрын

Be careful. I had a work colleague who had to be advised by his doctor to cut down on caffeine as it was giving him heart arrhythmia (he was 36 at the time)

Absolutely brilliant discussion and a "field science test"! This warms my heart as a coffee addict (like most Finns, by the way...).

Your coffee experiments are some of the best videos on your channel. No contest. Keep it up. Great work

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Thanks Mike! We always enjoy a bit of coffee and riding 👌

Interesting video and thanks for making it. One thing that might make a difference is having the subjects (Connor & Hank) cut caffeine from their diets prior to the days leading up to the tests (to get a better base line).

Loved the Edgar Write reference mid vid.

Some of my best training was no doubt due to the placebo affect. However, I embrace it and will take whatever motivation I can get. I do love coffee for coffee’s sake, so I will keep it as part of the ritual. Thanks for suffering for us to test this hypothesis!

@leangrypoulet7523

Ай бұрын

But how do you know if it's placebo? 🤔😜

Interesting result, though I will always enjoy a nice mug of coffee before a bike ride. Just out of interest, I notice you were in Nailsworth. I recognise the sign Watledge Road where you started your climb. I've been there in the past, I walked down that road to see the house where the poet W H Davies lived till he died in 1940. Cheers.

Coffee boosts moral. Half the effort is mental.

Proper blind test! NoicE!

So, it's all in the mind. Most of it, anyway. Coffee or no coffee, you are as good as your mind.

What wasn't spoken about was that many people become so accustomed to caffeine on a daily basis that their bodies build up a tolerance for it. I don't drink any coffee. My biggest caffeine hit is about 80mg from preworkout, as I cut the recommended amount on the package in thirds. I once took all 250mg, and my head was spinning. I haven't really tried it with cycling, just in the gym with lifting. I have a 100 mile ride coming in August, and I am considering figuring out a way to fit it into my ride.

Plot twist, Manon mixed up the cups on both occasions.

@ssenssel

Ай бұрын

Manon, you had one job!

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Sneaky!👀

One of my favorite gcn groups! And informative Someone called feather had me rolling Also, decaf has caffeine, so not so placebo

Absolutely love this content Connor,Manon, Hank & gcn!! I did not see this coming! Love when you delve into the myths! I used to be able to do coffee right before bed! So I think that genetics play a big part. More of this content please! Love Manon's knowing smirks!

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Can you no longer drink coffee before bed? Great to hear you enjoyed the video 🙌

@geoffreyhoney122

Ай бұрын

@@gcn I'm way more moderate now. Coffee (2 cups) every other day and otherwise black tea with milk but not after 5pm or it affects my sleep!

Rarely do I drink coffee mid-ride. When I do, I feel refreshed. Great test!

I would love to know what glasses Connor had for this video--loved the look!

Was this after Cillian's Flanders comment? Well done Conor, a win ... even on decaf

As a coffee guy who loves to stop by at the cafe on a nice beautiful long distance rides, it makes me more generally active when I feel like pumping up my pace of speed and energy. But most of the times, I feel more relaxed and recharge to ride at any pace, especially in my enjoyment level. To the point that my heart rate and mind will not pulpitate and distorted when riding. 😊

It definitely makes me faster, if we're talking about sprinting to a loo.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Do you get a KOM for that? 👀

@laterreurrouge1917

Ай бұрын

@@gcnin terms of "time per km" or "pounds per push" ? 😅

Long story shortened, but not short. In my 20s I would go out with the boys every Friday night, drink enough that I would spend much of Saturday recovering. Throughout the week I was very responsible and on a routine, that started each morning off with coffee, lots of it. Those Saturdays that were spent recovering, always led to a migraine in the morning and wouldn't go away until the early afternoon... The migraine is what I thought was happening, but it took a few years to realize that it wasn't a migraine, it was a caffeine withdrawal that caused the headaches and it wasn't relieved until I got enough energy to get up and drink a Pepsi. 30 minutes later I would start to feel better and by late afternoon I was up and ready to take on what was left of the day, that usually included a nice ride around town. I can't say that my performance benefited from caffeine, but I did feel the effects of not having caffeine on those Saturdays. Coffee is a delicious drug! 😅

Loved it! Specially when Manon is the director and Conor and Hank are Guinea pigs. 🤓🤓🤓❤️✌🏾

I don't drink coffee and hardly and Coca cola. The only time I do is 1,5 to 2 hours before the end of a ride (about 6-12 times a year). It really makes me feel like I can start pushing till the end. That is with only 2 gr/kg.

Very honest look at caffeine. I find a caffeine gel half way through a long ride helps a lot. A morning coffee before a race or big event is optional as I'm afraid of stomach upset when combined with nerves.

Coffee makes me feel good. More relaxed more focused. That gives me the ability to exert myself ever so slightly more than without. But at least for me it has more to do with the mindset than any enhancement of strength and or stamina.

Jey man you really inspire mu ccling channel, got 380 subscriners in 1 week😂😂😂😂😂 very excited

Considering the slight time differences, I imagine there were other factors at play: sleep (biggest, perhaps), previous day's diet, rides during the week ... Nonetheless, very interesting and I appreciate the efforts to bring light to something very interesting.

Did the fellas replicate their rest and breakfast too? Great racing - and amazing smirks from Maron :)

13:50 I first thought Hank said something else there!

Mindblown!!!!

i once did a coffe stop after i rode around 60 km´s much of that uphill. it was one of my most exhausting rides ever, cause i also was kinda out of shape at that moment. i originally didnt plan to do an coffee stop but i was just so exhausted that i really wanted to get something to eat so i stopped at some random bakery and got myself a little sandwich or something and an huge coffee... lemme tell you, i dont know if i was faster than before but i felt like i just started my ride after that little break.

Very fun video folks! I was of the same opinion as the guys. Quite a surprise that I was wrong right along with them.

Ha ha when you said see you next week for the next part of the experiment I thought oh no I’ve gotta wait a Blooming week!

I don’t have a coffee before I ride but really enjoy a double shot piccolo when I finish the ride to I guess pick me up!

Worth also mentioning that different coffees can have very different amounts of caffeine in them 😊 interesting test 👍🚴🏻 Pete

Tailwind with caffeine is amazing.

I am genuinely surprised. We need more bro science on it!!!!

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Should we get Ollie on the case?

@elluck91

Ай бұрын

@@gcn yes! Even after watching the video, I still think 3mg/kg does make a difference.

I'd give anything to have coffee and cake with all of you at that splendid looking establishment...

Hi guys, can you help me out with how much lower speed do you get over a medium 50 mile ride with the saddle lower? I know I should be riding with a high seat but like to put my foot down from the sitting position for safety. Cheers Brijen.

One other factor that shouldn't be ignored is that "decaf" is often still full of caffeine. In theory decaf should remove at least 97% of the caffeine, but often they fail to reach that mark by a long shot.

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Interesting! How did you learn this?

@squngy0

Ай бұрын

@@gcn I read it in some news article a long time ago I think. It is news worthy because it is a concern for people who need to awoid coffeine for health reasons.

Love a coffee during my regular long-distance weekend rides...I never have one before I start riding, though. I've been told it can make you dehydrated. Is that true?

I find that caffeine really dehydrates me; I'm kind of baffled that this side effect doesn't get much mention in athletic contexts, the last thing I'd want is to be biking with my bladder ready to explode

There are heaps of studies that have shown the caffeine usually has small to moderate ergogenic effects across a wide spectrum of activities: strength, movement velocity, power, anaerobic and aerobic endurance. Also, decaf is a stone cold atrocity.

Pour over method of making coffee contains about 3 times the amount of caffeine... check out James Hoffman doing caffeine testing. Typically an espresso has 60mg vs 180mg caffeine for a pour over. The advantage of caffeine is going long...

I just know that I need to target a coffee stop towards the latter part of the ride and often feel so much better afterwards. That could be the snack with it though. Milligrams! We need data quoted in equivalent cups.

I seem to find coffee benefits my endurance more than all out power....great vid...

that's a bonkers result! caffeine in my pre work drink .... defo helps on a ride.👍🏼👍🏼

I have a off topic question. I am a cyclist from Colorado when i use the bike lane i get buzzed. Do drivers think they don't have to give you the three feet buffer zone to pass while using a bike lane?

@questgivercyradis8462

Ай бұрын

Want to join me in SoCal where the cars pass too close, and the runners in the bike lane try to push me into traffic? :/ Stay safe dude. Sad to hear CO is rough. I thought it was supposed to be one of the few cycling hubs in the US.

I always drink a monster java loco mocha before a ride and it definitely gives me a boost but I don't drink regular coffee at all.

It’s dose dependant

My thinking is that if you’re someone who drinks caffeine regularly, day in, day out, then all a coffee will do is get you up to your baseline, and if you don’t have one, you’ll do worse than baseline. If you’re someone who doesn’t consume it much then it’s more likely to have an improvement over baseline, as long as you don’t have too much will be deterimental

I was a swimming sprinter (50/100m) and a Track sprinter... Caffeine was awesome for those two disciplines. But anything longer and it's actually worse for you. AKA dehydration, cramps, the post caffeine high hangover, etc etc.

Caffeine is also used to increase fat utilization during exercise,sparing the use of carbohydrates during aerobic activity ( zone 1-3)

Subjectively, I feel refreshed quickly after a cup of coffee before I ride. But if I don't have one, it feels quite retargic for awhile before it feels refreshed riding.

@calmprn7165

Ай бұрын

Retargic :)

@rlm4471

Ай бұрын

​@@calmprn7165😂

As the science bloke in the video mentioned, studies report that you need a certain amount of caffeine per bodyweight to achieve performance benefits. As both riders probably weight different amounts and caffeine content can vary in cups of coffee, the test should have had a standardised quantity of caffeine in mg per bodyweight , for each rider, when they did the caffeinated ride.

I definitely get a performance boost from caffeine. I only drink coffee when I cycle. I actually don’t like the effect of a strong coffee. Had a bad experience after an espresso many years ago

Never liked coffee... but hv now bought myself an espresso machine to make coffee at home... I never buy... I make it how I like it.❤

2:48 me too. I hate beer too.

If I have any more than a small amount of caffeine it really affects my heart so it's interesting to see the science behind it all. I do think that there is an element of people becoming mildly addicted/dependant on caffeine so riding without it can pull their performance down!

Caffiene can be detrimental to some people too, giving them the shakes and amplifying the nervousness before a big effort. Maybe that's what happened here. It does impact sleep as Connor said, which can impact recovery and send you backwards long term.

Love my coffee, got teased even today for taking my Aeropress Go to the office and refusing to drink the crappy instant. ☕ However I've never felt any benefit during exercise. I had some free samples of caffeine shots from SiS a few years ago, took one before a 10K and didn't feel any benefit, and I rarely think to stop for a coffee on a ride, coffee just isn't a drink I feel I want during a ride.

I have noticed some time ago that cofre makes ne alowert on zwift. Never drink any on race day

I drink tea for the taste and nothing else. No affect on my cycling with or without it. For coffee drinkers just drink it for fun and taste and don't get hung up on performance. Life is too short. BTW my favourite breakfast for performance is eggs and bacon, toast and tea. Without it I bonk after one hour.

For me to see the effect I have to consume NO caffeine except when I want the boost. That means no coffee except decaf on regular days.

In my taste americano is not real coffee. Also after coffee usually it is inmediately toilet time to read some books :) Also good analysis made by Göran Winblad. His Norwegian runner.

I read in a research article several years ago that caffeine restricts the amount of oxygen that gets to the heart. It's something that happens around the surface of the heart. Sorry no reference I can't remember it. I do recall it was a verified science paper. Surprised me a bit, I've drunk coffee over the years and thought- LOL it was mostly a good thing. On the odd time it's given me palpatations. So many affective factors

I read that caffeine does not replace tiredness and fatigue, but rather blocks it. So, when the blocking wears off the symptoms return. Happy trails!

The expert didn't mention how to dose long race days like 150-350km. I start caffeine in middle to latter part but wanted to see what he thought or science

nice!

I use caffeine tablets before rides. F5 fat burners contain green tea extract and additional caffeine, giving around 225mg. Seems to work for me.

11:14 Conor going “full Pantani”.

Hey, so after thinking this over, there's a better way to do the experiment. Day 1 : Collin & Hank do the ride/race without any caffeine (Control time) Day 2 : They are TOLD one gets a caffeine drink, the other doesn't. But in reality neither one gets a caffeine drink but they don't know this. Day 3 : They are TOLD that they've been swapped, but both get a caffeine drink and they don't know this. Day 4 : They both get caffeine drinks and know they both get it. Then compare the individual times to see if there is a placebo effect in play or not. Have then still race so there is a competitive motivational element, but if it's purely "in your head" this kind of experiment will flesh that out. So, umm, part 2?

Yes. Yes it does. It also makes my heart jippity jump😅

@gcn

Ай бұрын

Hahahah do you really feel it?

@amandaw.5361

Ай бұрын

@@gcn Yes. Too much lately though. I'll cut back soon.

Wow Go Connor! Hank has been in my mind as a power house sprinter, but Connor, well 😂 let’s say he’s changed my opinion.

Andy Blow explains how much caffeine we can take and when but the units are in mg/kg of body weight. How many cups of regular black coffee does this translate to for 100kg rider?

I'm not a bug caffine user but I do feel.the boost of energy if I take a caffine gel an hour before the end of my race. Just feel like I can get to the finish line stronger.

If you are stimulated by the caffeine in coffee, how long do the effects last, on average ? Is it a case of 200 - 400mg of caffeine per hour ?

It’s a diuretic so I suspect over a long endurance ride it’s probably got some downsides, and once I’m already awake and in the zone I doubt it does much. But early in the morning.. the difference is stark lol

Coffee yes...and at least 30 minutes pre ride to reduce the weight up hills.

I think there is a big problem with caffeine, that it raises the heart rate. So when you're exercising you're not in the desired heart rate zone, you're in a higher range, so you're going to be cycling slower, and you're not going to get the power you want out of your legs. There is a familiar power to heart rate relationship that is broken when the heart rate is elevated. And if you are delivering the power you want, you are putting unnecessary strain on the circulation.

A morning coffee makes my day happier and love a coffee stop whilst riding, but it’s not necessary. Caffeinated bars and gels make the husband feel jittery. He doesn’t like that

Did they go directly to the climb after drinking when the video said it takes 40-60mins to take full effect?