I love that the flat earth guy says "if you're ignoring a bunch of experts there's something wrong with you" with zero irony regarding his own position ignoring 1000's of experts. You couldn't make this sh*t up.

@emilschw8924

6 ай бұрын

This was repeated twice! 😂

@Kemkachi

6 ай бұрын

All scientists are in on it🤦🏼‍♂️😅

@ReValveiT_01

6 ай бұрын

Zero self awareness is vital if you want to become a flat earther.

@erin1569

6 ай бұрын

You're so wrong He's disagreeing with millions of experts

@slowly-but-eventually

6 ай бұрын

I didn't even catch that haha Good observation!

So, let me get this straight... A flat earther believes he knows more about a subject than an expert in the subject? Sounds legit.

@paull8678

6 ай бұрын

They always do. I once showed a FE'er a chart from the US Navy that includes corrections for curvature and coriolis when calculating naval artillery shots, and the FE'er told me that the Navy included those things for no reason because these things "are not needed" and then proceeded to give me a grade school interpretation of a heavy object flying through the air.

@delayedcreator4783

6 ай бұрын

thats the dna of flat earthers

@Malicious2013

6 ай бұрын

I hereby claim that I am more of an expert of Flat Earth theories than Flat Earthers, and thus, I know more than they do. I, the expert of FE, hereby deem the Earth a globe!

@NoFormalTraining

6 ай бұрын

The same logic that anti vaxers have towards scientists.

@NoFormalTraining

6 ай бұрын

@@paull8678 Now there's a thought, maybe someone can contact the Navy to ask them to demonstrate what happens when you do make use of corrections for artillery shots, and what happens when you don't? Failing that, there's about a hundred gun youtubers out there who'd probably have access to, or can get access to an artillery cannon.

You gotta admit, Flatzoid trying to claim that photographs are somehow not proof just plays to his long game of saying "nuh uh" to any evidence that proves him wrong. I mean, he's wrong about that too, but this takes him one step closer to saying that proof isn't proof. Anyway, well explained as usual, Dave!

@Bunny99s

6 ай бұрын

Yes, his potential excuse could be to claim that because there are "different results" photographs are not reliable. That was often an excuse. "Here's an example where a scientist once said something wrong or contradictionary so it's all just wrong or doesn't make sense".

@mhicaoidh1

6 ай бұрын

@@Bunny99s yep it's called "cherry picking your data".

@gbprime2353

6 ай бұрын

@@mhicaoidh1 Here's a photograph! Oh, that's just one photo. Okay, here's several photographs! No, because there are slight differences between them. Behold the power of the "nuh uh" argument. -.-

@keit99

6 ай бұрын

Well that's the toddler style of arguing 'I want you to be wrong, so you're wrong' => Flatzoid is like a toddler

@h.a.9880

6 ай бұрын

The thing is: Flatzoid isn't open to logic and debate, this is a religious debate and he's a zealot, who thinks of himself as an elightened being, entrusted with the sacred truth. You will never break through to him. But anyone on the fence will see proof and go "Well, Flatzoid's full of shit."

Dave explains basic photographic principles to Flatzoid who deliberately misunderstands everything…..

@cobalt4045

6 ай бұрын

I'm sure we'll see Flatzoind demonstrate Dave's points much the same way as last time when Flatzoid failed to explain the 'universal up' that flerf clings to in order to mock the spherical model and map.

@KarlStevens

6 ай бұрын

It's not really a basic principle though - I know many photographers (including professionals and photography teachers) who think lens compression is a function of the lens and not working distance. (When I was first starting I took it as gospel, until I read a comment on a photography article and decided to try the crop experiment myself. The article author - along with many readers - refused to acknowledge that it wasn't a property of focal length.)

@mooneyes2k478

6 ай бұрын

Film at 11.

@fakecrusader

6 ай бұрын

Don't tell these idiots about tilt-shift photgraphy, that will be their new explanation...

@eplane

6 ай бұрын

@@fakecrusader sssssshhhh….!!!

I have a dream: someday I want to see a flat Earther admit they were wrong. Not even about a big thing, just about one small thing. Instead of doubling down or moving the goalposts. Debunkers do it all the time. When they make a mistake or get new information, they own up to it and explain the impact on their discussion. I have yet to see a flat Earther ever admit even the slightest error or inaccuracy.

@sendintheclowns7305

6 ай бұрын

Narcissists never admit fault and ALL flat earthers are narcissists.

@synthetic240

6 ай бұрын

When FTFE debates younger, more polite, flat earthers he's had some success at changing their minds.

@Requiem4aDr3Am

6 ай бұрын

I can think of a handful of flerfs who have admitted they were wrong and are no longer flat earthers.

@grahvis

6 ай бұрын

@@Requiem4aDr3Am . A notable one being Tiger Dan who attempted to make a flat earth map using known distances, and realised it was impossible.

@MrJonnyharry

6 ай бұрын

How’s Rachie doing at the moment?

Dave, you are a really good designer of arguments: the narrative, the experiments, and the supporting graphics are absolutely top notch (I design software training curricula; your videos are compelling and definitive). I appreciate how much time you put in to so effectively debunk spurious claims. Thank you!

@stretch3281

6 ай бұрын

Well said.

@cliff.allister

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, but its all in vain because the flerfers will never listen to logic and reason. They live in their bubble of scientific illiteracy and intellectual ignorance, combined with the Dunning-Kruger feeling of superiority. Trying to educate them is a lost cause!

@RevGary

3 ай бұрын

​@@stretch3281not one but two arse kickers here 🤡🤡

That was beautifully explained, thank you. Let me present you with the counter-argument I expect: Nuh-uh

@maxdanielj

6 ай бұрын

Or "but the guy from the history channel says..."

@isaacbruner65

6 ай бұрын

Usually the "counter-argument" from flerfs is just to ignore the evidence and bring up something completely unrelated but equally incorrect about water always finding its level or people being upsidedown in Australia or something like that.

@timolynch149

6 ай бұрын

@@isaacbruner65 Oh, don't forget 'let me make up some shit about perspective or optical effects'

According to flerfs, they know more about everything than any experts do.

@blankityblankblank2321

6 ай бұрын

I've seen comments in one video telling a pilot that he was wrong about how flightpaths look and how the instruments are wrong, and then tell him "well did you take one apart " to which the pilot said yes, to which the FL told him "did you take a look at the programming". FLs are so far gone that it seems sane idea that an entire industry is making deceitful equipment when said equipment could cause disasters killing hundreds just to deceive pilots who wouldn't care what the earth was shaped like as long as they understood it.

Flatzoid is just another in a long line of flerf grifters. Just glad people like you are around educating the people who seem to rely upon youtube for all their information.

@dougr8646

6 ай бұрын

Please even Dave Is a grifter

@Requiem4aDr3Am

6 ай бұрын

@@dougr8646 by all means provide your evidence. If you cannot then we can ignore your claim.

@tysondog843

6 ай бұрын

@@dougr8646 How is Dave being deceitful and or fraudulent, the fundamentals of "grifting"?

@delayedcreator4783

6 ай бұрын

@@TheSkyfolk like a true flerf

@Tsudico

6 ай бұрын

@@dougr8646 Merrium-Webster defines grift as "to obtain (money or property) illicitly (as in a confidence game)" so a grifter is a person who grifts. Please provide evidence that Dave is trying to obtain money in an illicit manner.

Flatzoid: The horizon is just optical! Also Flatzoid: **Looks at objects that aren't the horizon or even near the horizon.**

Flatzoid: You're wrong if you ignore experts. Also Flatzoid: I'm ignoring experts.

Imagine looking through your finderscope of your telescope to point an a distant mountain and when you look through the main telescope, it had suddenly dropped down 😂😂😂 Flatsoid's brain is flat 😂

@DaveMcKeegan

6 ай бұрын

Everyone knows you have to mount your finder on an incline to offset the drop of the main scope .... don't they?

@ExploringNew1

6 ай бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan yeah! BTW this was just a joke

So he basically learned a new word that marginally qualifies as sesquipedalian and decided that was enough to debunk all photographic evidence of the world upon which we live. Debunking these idiots and grifters is fun, but I watch this channel to learn more about photography due to the excellent explanations.

@PeteC62

6 ай бұрын

You are Stephen Fry, and I claim my £5.

@FokkeWulfe

5 ай бұрын

I too learned a new word that definitely qualifies as sesquipedalian. I also invented a new word, "plagiarism." Good day for all, I'd say.

Debunking Flatzoid's claim without doing any further experiments or using any knowledge about photography (which I have btw): Let's assume he's right and the background at the bottom of the image "drops" relative to the foreground when using a longer focal length. So, the lens would have to "know" what is up, down, left and right, because otherwise one would notice that any background stuff near the other three edges of the photo would also move towards and/or beyond these edges. Or there is some totally unknown law of physics that makes light from distant objects behave in such a way, which wouldn't make any sense because then the light would have to "know" the focal length of the lens. Furthermore, there is absolutely no reason why photons that were reflected by a hill five kilometers away would hit a 35 mm lens but not a 800 mm lens which is in the exact same place.

@LucTaylor

6 ай бұрын

We live in a society where most people think mirrors invert on the x axis, rather than the z axis and can't explain how the mirror "knows" the difference between left and right vs up and down and don't seem to care. Meanwhile, I move my hand to the right in front of my bathroom mirror and magically the reflection moves right too.

@Yehan-xt7cw

6 ай бұрын

" _Furthermore, there is absolutely no reason why photons that were reflected by a hill five kilometers away would hit a 35 mm lens but not a 800 mm lens which is in the exact same place._ "True. Just place 2 cameras, same modell but different lens right next to each other, both at the same height, then see if those hills are visible in one but not the other.

@RustyWalker

6 ай бұрын

So what would happen if you turn the camera upside down?

@arizali_

6 ай бұрын

@@RustyWalker MAGIC 🪄

@Fred2-123

6 ай бұрын

@@Yehan-xt7cw Well, since the flat earthers never do an experiment themselves, they would not believe your evidence.

Not only do we get excited to hear how you will explain a phenomenon calmly and politely, or if Rusty is going to play/sleep/run off, but the waiting for your sponsorship segue is just as much a thrill - and this was as smooth as smoooooth.

Flerf : "Zoom raises objects back up from over the horizon". Also flerf : "Zoom makes objects sink down below the horizon". Gotta contradict yourself constantly to flerf.

@clivedavis6859

6 ай бұрын

Flatzoid: "momentum is not conserved indefinitely" Also Flatzoid. "gas particles are continuously moving in all directions and collide with perfectly elastic collisions"

@jasonlowery1369

6 ай бұрын

What he forgot to add is that you have to turn the camera upside down to reverse the effects - that way it can do both 🙄

You should take the S off of the word "knows" in the title

@jor-elmasterofscheduling2002

6 ай бұрын

Nope, too late. He made a mistake. Flat Earth confirmed 🤪

@Froggsroxx

6 ай бұрын

Honestly it captures the feeling of flat earth perfectly lol

@robertcatuara5118

6 ай бұрын

Maybe it's like maths vs math. 😉

@DreadEnder

6 ай бұрын

It’s about flat earthers, fight bad logic with bad grammar

@skateboardingjesus4006

6 ай бұрын

"Does" should get an extra *n't* and immediately precede the word "know(s)".

Flatzoid: “There are a teams of experts…..so if you are saying that they are wrong then there is something wrong with you”. Forgetting the teams of physics experts that say he’s wrong about the earth.

@isaacbruner65

6 ай бұрын

This is actually pretty much par for the course when it comes to Flatzoid. He can trust like five people who run a channel on KZread as experts when they say what he wants to hear, but not the thousands of people who say the Earth is an oblate spheroid.

@Isolder74

6 ай бұрын

This is why cherry-picking is such a diabolical form of lying. It uses the appeal to authority and the out of context lie of omission. It’s a way to lie while pretending to tell the truth.

Thanks for your spot on assessment of my photos. It was indeed just three quick shots to show something that we all know… that things don’t move because of focal length change. (Eduardo is a pseudonym - I’m actually one for Flatzoid’s resident ‘trolls’, Andrew Johnston)

@AkatarawaJapan

6 ай бұрын

And you have a Japan connection in your pseudonym? The plot thickens.

@awatt

6 ай бұрын

Are you free?

@Eduardo_Igirisu

6 ай бұрын

@@AkatarawaJapanI’ve been rocking this handle for many months and you’re the first person to make a comment about my name.

Watching flat earth debunking videos became a hobby for me years ago because I learned so much about physics, optics and space along the way (Shout-out to German channel Flo+). I grew tired after a while because all the big "players" on each side seemed to focus on quick laughs and ridiculing each other, because they realized those videos are easier to make, which also means more money. That's why I like your videos so much as you joined the game late but you keep on making quality videos, packed with interesting facts. Keep up the good work!

I really enjoy how you apply principles of the scientific method in your debunking. Many flat earthers claim they don’t trust what they can’t observe themselves, and you put in so much effort to be fully transparent about your methods, parameters, measurement tools, etc. so that anyone can replicate these experiments themselves. I appreciate your approach to debunking flat earth, because so it’s much easier to simply scoff, dismiss, and make fun. Instead you go to great lengths to reveal the truth behind each and every little argument and detail, leaving les and less oxygen for their pseudo-science and ambiguous arguments to exist. Keep up the great work!

@c.augustin

6 ай бұрын

And anybody can learn something about photography and imaging in the process - that's the genius of Dave McKeegan! I followed him years ago when he was "just" a photography channel (a decent one), but got bored and unsubscribed. This year (or maybe sometimes last year) I stumbled upon him again and saw that he applies his talents on debunking flerfs with photography (and the underlying theories), and I'm now subscribed again - the only flat-earth related content I actually still watch and enjoy on a regular basis.

@fakecrusader

6 ай бұрын

And what they 'observe' isn't what they see anyway. Your retinas receive a flipped image of the world which is then processed to fit our orientation. That's a shitload more processing in your own built-in camera than any shonky camera lens theory. Morons gotta be 'special' though ;)

@ryannorris6128

6 ай бұрын

100%.

@a-blivvy-yus

6 ай бұрын

The lack of this kind of care in their argumentation is part of why I've stopped watching some of the other flat earth debunkers I've seen in the past. I still respect their intelligence but their choice to belittle and ridicule the other side without engaging in good faith (especially when dealing with a flat earther who seems to be doing so) means I don't respect their content any more. Dave manages to show the same respect he's asking of others, presenting things in a fair and useful manner.

@henryb1555

6 ай бұрын

​@@a-blivvy-yusrespect their intelligence? Really? They are simply not exhibiting any intelligence.

That people like Failzoid (who has repeatedly lied, faked experiments, and manually deleted frames of evidence against him from a video so he could claim it was evidence FOR his position) have chosen to censor me and others from their comment section tells you all you need to know. *edit: having now seen your video, I expect Failzoid to cry foul & sh1t-talk in his echo chamber but refuse to provide a concrete answer to your challenge. *edt2: knowing some of his history, I should've known that he'd half-bake it, then retroactively lie to claim victory even though he failed to get the correct answer. #GottaLieToFlerf

@gowdsake7103

6 ай бұрын

Of the many flatzoid is one of the most dishonest

@noneofyourbusiness7055

6 ай бұрын

Is he? When they are questioned or cornered, I'd struggle to name a single flerf who's _more_ honest...

Flatzoid knows all about video editing. Has he found those 11 missing frames, yet?

@do_notknow_much

6 ай бұрын

...I believe Critical Think did a bit more analysis and discovered 13 frames were missing.

@SuV33358

6 ай бұрын

I prefer 'Flatty' myself😊

@manuelgomez4836

6 ай бұрын

Hahaha....was thinking exactly that. Flatzoid does not deserve any attention.

@c.augustin

6 ай бұрын

@@do_notknow_much 13 frames? A bad number, foreboding …

Oh I just love it. Well done. Of course you just gave Flatzoid an excuse to not get around to rebutting my video of Skegness windfarm

@ReValveiT_01

6 ай бұрын

I often go to Skegness and the distant turbines can easily be seen to be 'dipping' their blades below the waterline with the naked eye. Spoiler alert, flatty's, no amount of "zoom" alters that in the slightest.

@hartmutholzgraefe

6 ай бұрын

I bring the wind farm north of Heligoland as an example ever so often when flerfs ask me to do "my own research" on horizon issues, telling how the rotors further away "touch" the water even though they don't look much smaller horizontally, how I know that they are all the same size and height from having taken a boat trip to the park, and how walking up the ca. 50 meter cliff right next to the beach makes them "dip into the water" a little less. Also mentioning that the amount of dip is the same when looking at them (or at ships partially behind the horizon as there often are a lot just waiting for entry into Hamburg harbor getting granted to them) with the naked eye, through binoculars, through my wifes not-a-P-series Nikon camera, or when nicely asking one of the bird spotters with their monster tele lenses that easily dwarf the P1000, and even some smaller amateur astronomers telescopes easily whether I may have a look through theirs. Pretty much always ends the "conversation" there and then. Honorable exception: the guy that originally claimed that zoom brings back ships over the horizon, who after my "no, it doesn't, I tried it myself" came up with "it only works 10% of the time"

Yet again, a flat earther's point/argument can be attributed to the Dunning-Kruger effect. They learn a tiny amount of out-of-context information about photography & clunkily apply it to the false conclusion they've already made. Rinse & repeat with basically any technical field of study. It's incredible.

@Aviator_Shades

6 ай бұрын

Dunning-Kruger effect combined with an absolutely collossal amount of confirmation bias

I enjoy the comedy that Flatzoid performs. It's really entertaining to see someone portray the Dunning-Kruger effect. He is certainly a talented actor.

@andrew12bravo21

6 ай бұрын

To be that much of a grifter, you have to have a talent in acting, as well as possessing ZERO conscious!

Let me do my best flerf impression: You can clearly see these pictures were taken at different times of day, and temperature fluctuates throughout the day/night cycle. Matter is known to respond to temperature changes, growing and shrinking in particular. It's the difference in temperature changing the size of the objects at coicidentally the exact amount needed to create this very, very special scenario.

@Yehan-xt7cw

6 ай бұрын

TBH, these pictures _were_ taken at different times. There is at least a few minutes between the first and the last. Ofcourse this would make no difference at all, but knowing flerfs....

@ahboaz

6 ай бұрын

In George's words: it shrinks! It shrinks!

@dancinswords

6 ай бұрын

"Well it's obvious isn't it? Thermal expansion."

@jamesoshea580

6 ай бұрын

You need a little electromagnetic disequilibrium buoyancy in there. Yes, I didn't use commas because that is the term in full.

@billwilliamson1506

6 ай бұрын

@@Yehan-xt7cwBut then you would think any Flerf who was scientifically literate would then postulate a theory based on said observations and then, test said theory using different values. But no, not even Flatzoid himself tests his own claims, just blowing up screenshots from someone else doing the actual work to say “it just looks different”

This is the same photo where they say the Tower is 37 miles away from Coastal Road... so the picture of the tower should not be possible... but it's 37 miles by road (via Preston). But only 12 miles away in a straight line... as per this photo

Watch a sunrise or a sunset. Now watch a plane fly from the horizon to overhead. Anyone can disprove flat earth by making those two observations. The plane will slowly move up from the horizon, only to seemingly accelerate when directly overhead (in terms of degrees of sky covered), while both sun and moon cross the sky with a consistent rate. If I need to explain why this simple observation disproves flat earth, then it is doubtful the reader cares or is capable of understand what the truth is

If I want to learn things about photography, I watch Dave McKeegan. 😄 If I want to learn nothing about anything at all, and hurt my brain in the process (I don't), I'd watch Flatzoid. 🤪

I saw this posted in an earlier video but this is really a photography channel doubling as a flat earther debunking channel, and I love it.

My favorite thing about these videos is how you actually go through and explain your thought process and their theories. You actually go and prove them wrong and not in a malicious way. But you back everything up, too, "trust the science/experiment/etc". Meanwhile, all the flat earthers have is "trust me, bro."

Dave: your analysis and debunk exceeded my expectations! Loved the video. Flatzoid will continue to make silly excuses.

Thanks Dave. Please do another video rather than just updating this one. That would be more enjoyable for us bystanders. I noticed Flatzoid saying "... by the way photography online is a whole bunch of experts, not just one guy. They're a team of experts. They are really good at what they do, so if you're saying they're wrong, then there's something wrong with you." Is Flatzoid advocating BELIEVING EXPERTS now? What, like seismic experts such as PhD Tony? Navigation experts like Tiny Captain? Is Flatzoid feeling OK? He sounds a bit Globerish. Oh and IF Flatzoid were correct, wouldn't that mean taking the photo with the camera upside down should make the Earth look concave instead of convex. Also taking a photo with the camera on its side should shift the parallax to one side or the other. Yet that doesn't happen in reality. You know, like the camera has nothing to do with it.

As a deep sky astrophotographer that regularly does imaging at 275mm, 390mm, 510mm, 600mm, 1422mm, 2032mm and up to several thousand mm when shooting planetary, the idea that longer focal lengths compress or distort far away objects, is hilarious.

@lappansommer546

6 ай бұрын

Flerf response: what's the point of such lenses when the firmament is just a few hundred miles away?

the MASSIVE telescope in Hawaii can see planets ... but NOT the California coast !! ... my brain is melting !!

@Lassisvulgaris

6 ай бұрын

Maybe the dome is closer than California...?

@ReValveiT_01

6 ай бұрын

@@Lassisvulgaris Flatty's say the sun and moon are between 3,000 - 4,000 miles away and they are inside the dome. I can't see Ireland from the coast of England just 70 miles away no matter how much magnification I apply, yet I can easily see the moon 3,000 miles away with absolute clarity. See the blatant contradiction?

@Lassisvulgaris

6 ай бұрын

@@ReValveiT_01 And that was my point....

so according to flatzoids reasoning, different lenses should produce different amounts of "drop", but by some incredible coincidence, the amount of drop observed in the blackpool photo perfectly matches what is predicted by the globe earth model. amazing!

Huge W. I can imagine the flat Earth community scrambling for a reasonable comeback to this (even though they can't).

dude, your dog loves the ever living crap out of you. It cracks me up every time hes like, "hey dad, stop doing what your doing and pet me"

@d614gakadoug9

6 ай бұрын

If that hand is movin' it should be pettin' the dog, not just flappin' in breeze.

"A higher millimetre lens" - Flatzoid really has got the jargon down! 🤣

The one thing that flat earthers are never going to escape is the fact that their poster boy Bob knodle is the only one that has done any meaningful experiment to try and prove the earth is flat but the results showed it to be a globe.

@K_End

6 ай бұрын

Rip Bob

It never occurs to flerfs that having to try over and over and over to flatsplain reality is a tell in itself. They certainly are very, very, very expert at grasping at straws

@celticv

6 ай бұрын

Ikr grasp at straws lol because they just admit they are wrong.... . They dig themselves so much a hole 🕳 that they feel obliged to try to prove they are right, lol 😅

@perevision

6 ай бұрын

Flatsplain 😂😂😂

@tomb9484

6 ай бұрын

Loved the Mark Steele reference!

@tonydagostino6158

6 ай бұрын

@@tomb9484Yeah it seemed like the perfect spot to slip that in

To all flat earthers, challenge... Render an image using 3D software that shows a ship disappearing bottom first on a flat plane. These simulations are not biased, the 3D software doesn't even know what you are simulating. And you can use any type of lens you want, and render in any resolution you want, so no technical limitations.

@lappansommer546

6 ай бұрын

I think you roughly said: hey flat earthers, go learn about optics and apply that knowledge diligently rather than just pulling guesses from your arses. Might be a little delay on that...

@powerpc6037

6 ай бұрын

They would still claim the software is manipulated in such a way to support a globe Earth instead of a flat Earth model and calculate the results differently because all programmers are also into the globe Earth mind-control thingy that has infected over 7 billion people. According to them, everyone who believes we live on a globe is brainwashed or indoctrinated, including programmers, pilots, astronauts and scientists.

Flatzoid truly is a special specimen. His way of debunking the globe model is... inspecting pixels and highlighting minute differences. We are undeserving of this remarkable being.

Doesn't Flat heads "zooming in makes the background drop" argument totally contradict the flerf "zooming in to the seas horizon bringing things back up" ?

@williamchamberlain2263

6 ай бұрын

Only if you think about it

@briansomething5987

6 ай бұрын

Nobody ever claimed flerfs were consistent (except for being consistently wrong, of course). That's what happens when you just make stuff up as you go along because you have no working model.

Gotta love how the flerfs use the same argument to reach 2 different conclusions. It's as if they make sh*t up there and then.

He's apparently never used an optical zoom lens. Zooming makes literally no difference in the proportions or compostition of elements in the image with a locked off tripod, it's essentially a striaght up crop. When he says "compression," he's thinking of a dolly-zoom, or "Hitchcock zoom" where you move the camera forward or backward while zooming.

Dave, I appreciate your understanding of photography. I have noticed a lot of photographers that tend to dumb down these concepts for a beginner audience which is understandable but it often does lead to a misunderstanding of the physics of what's actually happening

@CookTrain

6 ай бұрын

As a dumb not-even-beginner, he did a fantastic job of breaking down the subject matter in a way that I could easily understand.

Did Flatzoid give any mechanism by which the background "drops" based on focal length? Just saying "Compression" is not a mechanism.

As we ALL know by now, Flat Earthers can't even agree on the layout and shape of the Earth, between themselves.

@htownblack9184

6 ай бұрын

And you guys can't agree on how high one has to be to see curvature or what shape the earth actually is ....

@jmacefire6581

6 ай бұрын

@@htownblack9184how high is your “local” sun?

@tysondog843

6 ай бұрын

@@htownblack9184 You can see curve from any height, just watch the Sun set Below the horizon. There's the curve. We know what shape the Earth is, it's been photographed, videoed and measured many times in different ways. You can't provide 1 Single experiment that follows the Scientific Method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe You can't present an accurate 'Flat Earth' World map that’s Not a projection of the Globe with distance scale? You can't present a Working 'Flat Earth' model that matches reality, can be used to make predictions, without contradictions? Only Flerfs fail at this...

@Tsudico

6 ай бұрын

@@htownblack9184 Any height shows curvature. Just depends on what curvature you're looking for. For example, an average adult will see the curvature about 2-3 miles away because that is where the horizon is. Flat earthers can't even explain how the horizon appears at that distance, or how the horizon changes in distance based on height. There are no flat earth horizon calculators, yet the horizon is something that anyone can see almost any day from plenty of locations.

@htownblack9184

6 ай бұрын

@@Tsudico uhmmmm ok so you're wrong lol. Horizons are optical not physical sir ...but some of you say the earth is to big to see the curvature, which is it can we see it or not. We don't need a calculator to measure something that's not physical

How big of a focal length does Flatzoid need to explain a sunset?

@Requiem4aDr3Am

6 ай бұрын

about 11 frames worth

@babotond

6 ай бұрын

but focal length needs a container.

@dogwalker666

6 ай бұрын

Failzoid will lie regardless.

Great video Dave. As a photographer who loves dunking on flerfs I thoroughly enjoyed your work here Seeing that flerfs are still chasing their tails over the Blackpool Tower photo makes me smile immensely. 🤣

Great content as always. I give it a day or two before we get a poor attempt at a debunk "debunk" from Failzoid, the guy who thinks he's qualified to educate others about gas pressure because he uses spray-paint for a living.

@Erikheller99

6 ай бұрын

One day someone will tell flatzoid that spray-paint isn't supposed to be used as perfume.

@c.augustin

6 ай бұрын

Is this his actual way of making a living? Maybe he does not wear masks out of principle (I don't know his stance while COVID-19, but at least when it comes to spray-painting) - it would explain a lot …

My last interaction with Failzoid went something like this: Me: Explain why there's no working map of the flat earth. Failzoid: 'I have an accurate map!' Me: Then show me. ...crickets... Me: So where is this map? (repeated this question half a dozen times) Failzoid: 'I don't subscribe to any map!' It will come as no surprise that he then blocked me. The poor clown thrives on the attention and in no way does he believe the sh*te he shovels.

I live near the coast about 100M above sea level with an uninterrupted view of the sea. I can see wind turbines on the horizon which disappear in stages as some are further out. On a clear day I can just seer the very tops of the blades as the sweep past their high point. Maybe I should rent out my spare bedroom as a retreat for curing flat earth afflicted people

@TheHellis

6 ай бұрын

But with a P1000 you can zoom in to make them come back in to frame. You better not try it for real, just listen to the flatheads, that is how it works. They know

@teslar1

6 ай бұрын

@@TheHellis you can’t zoom over the horizon. The blade tips barely show above the waves on the horizon

@leftpastsaturn67

6 ай бұрын

@@teslar1 They were being sarcastic.

@TheHellis

6 ай бұрын

@@teslar1 you haven't paid attention. All flat earthers say you can just zoom in to bring stuff back in to frame. And the whole irony of it all is that flatzoid now says the mountains go down when you zoom in. Down where??? If the earth is flat, where does the mountains go? So if someone zooms in on mount everest untill it's just a little hill then it will be easier for everyone else to climb?

I saw Blackpool tower in your thumbnail and clicked instantly, Blackpool is my home town.

One thing that photograph shows that very few people even recognize is that purple/pink hue in the background is not haze. It's literally the shadow of the Earth extended out into space. You can see it on very clear Sunsets in the East for about 10 minutes right as the Sun sets before its' contrast merges with twilight.

@clivedavis6859

6 ай бұрын

It's called the belt of Venus.

@kyzercube

6 ай бұрын

@@clivedavis6859 Yup. That's it. I honestly didn't know it had a name. I just knew what it was. The purple part under the pink is the shadow and the pink part is Rayleigh scattering at a very obtuse angle so it's pink/red making sunsets and sunrises that color.

They always say zooming in brings the sun/a ship/something over the horizon back up. Now they say zooming in actually drop things down? 🤔 How confused are they??!!? 👀

@Forest_Fifer

6 ай бұрын

This is what happens to people who lie all the time, it's hard to remember all the lies to keep your story consistent

It's easy to see the two photos were taken from different heights. There's a post in the background with power lines, and it's much lower relative to the girl in the telephoto shot, showing that the photographer was crouching down. He probably did that to brace the camera better because he was using a long lens. If the two were taken at the same height, e.g. on a tripod, the post would be at the same relative height in both and the mountain would be visible behind her.

@MariaMartinez-researcher

6 ай бұрын

You know it and we know it. But the point of the flatearther guy is that it is the lens what makes the horizon go lower and give a ""false impression of Earth's curvature."" Yup.

@ceejay0137

6 ай бұрын

@@MariaMartinez-researcher True, but that power pole is not very far behind the girl. The amount of curvature required to make it drop as far as it appears to would mean the Earth was only a few km in circumference.

@Yehan-xt7cw

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention the height of the grass just behind her. In one the height of grass is at her waist, in the other at her knees.

Here's to Flatzoid moving the goal posts again and complaining those targets are too far away. The Blackpool Tower photo is definitely a problem for flerf. I already had one try to make the case that Ranty was not a true Flat Earther (or Scotsman, if you prefer).

@aaronarmstrongaa

6 ай бұрын

This is a common slur thrown at Ranty. Believe me, he was a legit FE and as mean, rude and paranoid as the best of them. Huge grifter and always e-begging for something

@cobalt4045

6 ай бұрын

@@aaronarmstrongaa I am aware of that. There's even an archive of random FE compilations on KZread from 7 years ago that include Ranty with the rest of the big name flerfs of the time. There's a reason the No True Scotsman Fallacy is on the Apologetics Bingo Card, after all. If you are allowed to arbitrarily change what makes a true believer to omit any and all inconvenient truths that are brought up, then your claim is unfalsifyable as there can be no true believers that you won't try to Special Plead away.

I just looked up that video at Photography Online and there's an amazing idea that Flatbrain should have noticed in the first 20 seconds. Are you ready? It's really quite obvious. The photographer .. moves.

@RustyWalker

6 ай бұрын

Of course, elevation isn't just about whether or not the photographer is kneeling, not to mention the photographer is centering his subject in the frame, not the horizon.

So _that's_ why the picture on my driver's license looks uglier than normal. I love these vids because even ignoring the flat earth context, I always learn something about photography. If I didn't need to eat or pay rent I might've just picked up a camera as a hobby.

@brag0001

6 ай бұрын

If you really want to do it, just do it. Any camera you already own, including your phone, will do. For the first 100 years of photography, literally ALL the cameras there were were worse than whatever you already own. Yet, amazing photographs were taken back then. Don't let your financial constraints hold you back. GAS, gear aquesition syndrome, is neither a necessary nor a helpful part of doing good photography. Training your eye, learning your tools and working within the constraints those tools have is ...

In the photos of the young lady, the difference in the height of the camera is very easy to see, given the change in the position of the wires supported by the pole.

You've explained this so much better than my university photography class last semester.

Dave, you have given the clues for a photography guru like Flazoid to work it out. In the event that he doesn't, I am sure he will call foul and blame it on changing lenses instead of using the P900/P1000, the flat earth camera of choice.

You forgot to mention how he FAILED(no doubt intentionally) several times at aligning his image comparisons during his little war with Shawn Hawkins, despite being an "experienced certified graphic artist/photoshop expert" & that "crop rate" is a very important aspect of photography. 🤪

@DaveMcKeegan

6 ай бұрын

I haven't seen those videos yet, the ones I covered were ones people had linked to me and there is only so much flatzoid I can listen to 😂

@realcygnus

6 ай бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan I hear that. The fact that there are ppl dumb enough in the 1st place to believe he's a genius is what gets me.

@clivedavis6859

6 ай бұрын

​@@DaveMcKeeganHe is very annoying to listen to with his laugh

@draco2k729

6 ай бұрын

@@clivedavis6859or with his voice...

@realcygnus

6 ай бұрын

@@draco2k729 or face 🤛

Great challenge. I'm sure Flatzoid can solve it being the worlds most leading expert in everything.

Let Flatzoid clean the oceans from plastic trash. He is amazing at grasping at straws

I actually like the first step in his progress.... looking at the 12mm to the 200mm with the "vanishing" background and going "hmmm.... why is the background gone" is not a bad thing to do. The problem starts if you get an explanation and simply state "No, that's not it". The correct reaction would be "Oh... I learned something....". I'm curious if he a) just doesn't respond and ignores this video b) claims that you used CGI to fake the pictures c) is sure that you cheated by moving the camera back and forth d) admits that he was wrong and re-evaluates his standpoint Time will tell I guess.... As for me, I (again) learned a ton and thank you for the effort you put into your videos.

@purecynicism3053

6 ай бұрын

e) does what he did before: try to do the pixel match and then go "nu nuh, not identical" ... while still ignoring that there is no visible "drop" in the background that would support his original claim about the mountains in the Blackpool Tower picture

@purecynicism3053

6 ай бұрын

Looks like he first went for f) calling out Dave on an alleged strawman Damn, that guy is not as predictable as expected.

@billwilliamson1506

6 ай бұрын

I say it’s “well you said you edited the photos! Clearly a gotcha moment if I have ever seen one!” Then proceed to never actually refute anything

It's hilarious that he says "these are experts, and if you say they're wrong, you're insane", then the expert proceeds to debunk him and now the experts are wrong. My man basically said he knew better than the guy that was actually there doing the shoot. Danning-Krueger showed all its capabilities on this one. "I was not in the same position for every shot, sir" "Nuh uh, I say you were!" God, that's funny.

@sendintheclowns7305

6 ай бұрын

Flerfs: Denying experts is insane. Also flerfs: Every astronomer, geologist, pilot, surveyor, and scientist in the world is wrong.

I just started the video and I can't believe what I'm hearing. They think the lens selectively compresses objects that are further away???

@diarmuidkuhle8181

2 ай бұрын

I've no idea WHAT they believe about how cameras work by this point. Though if they said it was little imps trapped inside, that wouldn't surprise me any longer.

my very first thought was, "it's a slightly lower angle photo" not only are they likely not the exact photos taken from the clips of him crouching down but he's also on natural ground, ground that isn't a perfectly flat surface, even if he did crouch the exact same way and held the camera exactly the same way he could have actually been slightly lower due to the ground itself. I also want to know what it's supposedly being pushed down behind in the opinion of anyone who actually thinks that, seriously I can't possibly imagine what they could come up with.

zoom in to bring boats back from over the horizon. zoom in to let the background drop down

@leftpastsaturn67

6 ай бұрын

Dumb story bro.

@johnqpublic7608

6 ай бұрын

@@leftpastsaturn67 yes, flattards have a dumb story.

@leftpastsaturn67

6 ай бұрын

@@johnqpublic7608 I'm sure I just said that.

Didn't Galileo go through this with the Church when he had the gall to put two lenses on either ends of a tube and look up?

King of debunking? NO !! You're the king of the segue!! You get me every time.. Ok maybe you are the king of debunking too.

Hey Dave! I am a civili engineering student and I've had to work theodolites and in the field of geodesy it is absolutely necessary to factor in the curvature of the earth, since for example 4 90deg angle won't make a rectangle on a globe over a large distance. I haven't done the calculations myself, but it would interesting to see how much deviaton there would be if you were to walk for example 1km north then 1km east, 1km south and 1km west. It should be relatively easy if you start off a known reference point.

@blankityblankblank2321

6 ай бұрын

FLs would say: you are lying, that the instruments are designed to lie to you, that your reference and education books are lying, that your instructors are lying, etc all to push an agenda. They would provide you with no evidence to their claims and use your absence of specific counter evidence to their claims as evidence for themselves. In reality I assume your profession wouldn't care all the much what the earth was shaped like as long as you could understand it.

@transient_

6 ай бұрын

This has been shown/demonstated to flerfs (the sum of the angles of a triangle on a globe sum to more than 180 degrees) They deny the results by claiming the people doing the measurements are doing them wrong.

@hobojoe9717

6 ай бұрын

I actually think Dave has made a video that talks about how engineers need to take curvature into account.

@joedunn1109

6 ай бұрын

Walking due east, or due west is not as easy as people think. You have to walk in an arc. If you walk in a straight line, you will actually get closer to the equator.

@Maou3

6 ай бұрын

Sadly, theodolite-based arguments don't work against flerfs because the basic trigonometry is too difficult for them.

Of course they know more. All Conspiracy Theorists, no matter which conspiracy, are all automatically experts in every relevant, and irrelevant, subjects. Comes with the membership badge. Well known to all CTs.

@leftpastsaturn67

6 ай бұрын

You clearly possess as much humility as the clowns you're mocking.

Flatzoid's claim that you needed to do a longer distance shot is the standard "moving the goal posts" tactic. If he even attempts to address the new images, he'll likely claim something like he did earlier with the other photographer, that Dave is lying about the how the photos were taken. I enjoyed this one, as back in the day I used to be more of a photography buff. I had a darkroom set up and everything. I started out using my parent's old Kodak folding camera. It was perfect starter camera for me as it had large negatives ~2''x 3", and thus you could make "contact prints" that were actual photo sized. Later I invested in an enlarger.

7:33 Everything gets pushed down as we zoom in. Flatzoid, how do you bring back a ship that went over the horizon if it would be pushed down, you can't have it both ways...

@AM-rd9pu

6 ай бұрын

Flerfs always need to have things both ways. Just like how NASA is a master deception agency but also constantly makes stupid mistakes for flerfs to catch.

The sheer fact we're having a discussion about the shape of Earth is very, very sad.

You could have stopped at "apparently zooming in makes the hozion drop, which is odd because they also say that zooming in brings objects back from beyond the horizon". Indeed, they use all kinds of long lenses to see "600km" but now *their own argument* claims that this is in fact not possible? Also: if dropping horizons due to focal length is a thing, then why isn't it common knowledge? Why doesn't every book on photography warn you about this? Why does only Flatzoid know about this and why does he start looking at single pixels when he is confronted with images that clearly show the horizon not dripping? In fact, why do Flerfs *NEVER* explain how their observations work? Why do they *NEVER* reproduce anything? Why doesn't Flatzoid go out, hire a camera and a tripod, and do the experiement that he insists others never get right, and show us that he's correct? Why is he *always* lying about *everything*?

@johnqpublic7608

6 ай бұрын

as always, every ad hoc explanation from a flattard contradicts every other ad hoc explanation from a flattard.

Excellent video, also your sleepy dog stole my heart

I don't know why I was waiting for you to say "I am so glad he trusts the photography online panel of experts, because I have been a member of that panel for 8 years."

I guarantee he will complain that this time you have TOO MUCH distance between the foreground object and the background. That's pretty much all he has.

Dave, thank you for educating, entertaining and for sharing your knowledge, and explaining it in a way so a non expert like me can understand. And as a bonus debunking at the same time! Great work Sir! 🙂😎🤓

"Flat earth society, have members all around the globe"

I continue to be impressed by your seamless transitions to your ads. Some of the best on KZread! Oh, and your content is good, too!

G'day Rusty & Dave, 🤔🐶📷🌍Rusty knows more about photography than any Flat Earther

Hmm, so he reckons the light coming from the source knows in advance what focal length lens it's going to be seen by, so it can know how to bend?

@M4RC90

6 ай бұрын

Clearly the light is in superposition until it reaches the lens.

@osliverpool

6 ай бұрын

@@M4RC90 Ha, yes, of course! 😀

@LineOfThy

6 ай бұрын

shroedinger's focal lens

You could take pictures with a pinhole camera. They don't have lenses, so every straight line on the image must be a straight line in real life. They also have unlimited depth of field. You might do the same thing with a small aperture.

they all look identical to me, Catalina Island, photographed from long beach, and then a boat as you approach, if earth is flat, there is a 200' high hump in the ocean.. blocking the view of the beach from Long Beach

Take a look at the power pole in the background relative to her elbow. The photographer changed elevation. Thus, the mountains disappeared. Similar concept to radar horizon.

If zooming in moves the background down, holding the camera upside down and zooming in should move the background up!

10:15 sealed it for me, the guy doesn't believe his own BS. That's an on purpose mistake not an actual mistake. He probably thought "how do I have to hold these together to make them look like they are evidence for my horseshit". And this is exactly what I would expect to come of such a thoughts.

Was not expecting to LOL so hard, just earned a new subbie :P Clearly that 'evidence' 12-200mm image with the girl, grass and mountains is from a different bloody angle, clearly the power line in the background shows this - how on earth can people draw such insane conclusions???

@hartmutholzgraefe

6 ай бұрын

I stopped asking after "Black Swan" ...

I have no idea why algorithm gods decided to suggest this to me, but now I'm hooked like it's a cheezy 90's soap opera 😂 You got a new subscriber.

Dave, after we met yeserday night, I've been enjoying your videos! Absolutely hilarious this beef with flat earthers and I'm so here for it. Already watched a handful of your vids. Absolute bangers, mate!

@DaveMcKeegan

6 ай бұрын

Hey mate, it was great meeting you, hopefully they go something similar again next year

As a amateur photographer I can say that flatearthers are equally studpid not only about Earth shape but also about optics and photography.

You make the videos I wish I could make, as well or even better than I'm imagining them in my head. Fantastic job.

I'm about halfway through watching the video (currently as I paused to write this it's ay 10:12) and a thought occurred to me (which I have no idea if you're going to address later on the video): If the photographer is below the girl (if the ground slopes down from where the girl is), two things would happen: One, the photographer's position on the farther away shot would be lower than on the closer shot; two, if the photographer is pointing the camera up at the girl, the line of sight wouldn't be horizontal, and therefore the background mountains would be shifted away by a greater angle on the longer shot. If the image is cropped from the original to cut away the sky and focus on the girl, the straight line from the image plane would not be at the center of the image, but rather higher up, and the new framing would make it seem impossible that the mountains would shift so much due to the focal length.