'Doctors don't listen to the doomsayers! Stay in SA': Health minister on the NHI
Joe Phaala, minister of health, said doctors and healthcare workers should not leave SA after the passing of the NHI bill on May 15 2024. Though the government promises the NHI will provide improved health coverage to all South Africans, its implementation has been met with opposition and scepticism.
Some opposition parties are already threatening legal action.
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If living in this country for 34 years has taught me anything, it's that things can always get worse.
@idiotinspector
26 күн бұрын
Will get worse as it has progressively for the last 30 years.
@cjels5400
26 күн бұрын
I wonder what will get better?
@Ritesh-yy1zr
26 күн бұрын
@@cjels5400 only looting got better
@ebh4487
26 күн бұрын
Sad but true.
@ebh4487
26 күн бұрын
Sad but true
NHI going same way as Eskom. Why trust these clowns?
@leoniea138
26 күн бұрын
What Eskom....new Tesla energy coming...and it's free....wake up
@tessahugo5448
26 күн бұрын
NOBODY TRUSTS THEM
@siyabongamkhize692
26 күн бұрын
@leoniea138 leave us the details, we dont wanna be on dark alone
@desertfoxchannel4308
26 күн бұрын
@leoniea138 battery car chargers do run off of the electricity grid and not just from solar charging points, you should also take note that space X(Elon musk own company that provides internet) will not come to South Africa due to BEE so their is a high likelihood that we can see major constraints on Tesla expanding in South Africa. Most other car brands use he electrical grid, meaning Eskom. Also...it's not free you have to own a Tesla and it's only for your car, you still need to power your house and busines...😂 eskom will be here for a while
@roeteroestof3896
26 күн бұрын
@@leoniea138 bly jy in sa?
As a healthcare worker…I’ll be leaving.
@Qotha
26 күн бұрын
Graduates will gladly replace you
@radha6438
26 күн бұрын
@@Qothagraduates are not getting placed. Hospital has zero interns in a Gauteng hospital. Don’t hold your breathe
@3dguy_za
26 күн бұрын
Good luck with that logic.@@Qotha
@stephenmachipi9708
26 күн бұрын
Goodbye, others will surely fill your space.
@tinyikomaluleke3594
26 күн бұрын
Go pls just go we won't feel anything loosing u goo in peace
I watched government drain my partner of their sanity, dignity and time as a healthcare worker. She is now working in private, and we are both better for it! To come out and say its going to get better is a joke! Minister, cant you see no one is listening?
@peterduncan1519
26 күн бұрын
ANC listens to no one
You are lying.
Oh right, I will not listen to the doomsayers but I will listen to a corrupt politician.
@louisevanderlinde8590
26 күн бұрын
Thousand likes for your comment.
@user-go2kt6do8c
26 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Minister you are so ignorant. We are not stupid. We will all go and leave ANC IN POVERTY
@dannygovender5062
26 күн бұрын
Yes. Very well said. 🙏👍
The minister is right. Doctors shouldnt listen to doomsayers. They should look at the Government 's track record like Transnet, Eskom, SAA, state of public health system, Post office and the list is endless.
@ahmedmahomed
26 күн бұрын
Are you in darkness?
@ahmedmahomed
26 күн бұрын
You sound like a doomsayer
@3dguy_za
26 күн бұрын
@@ahmedmahomedreality can sometimes sound like doom but it's truth.
@angapichy1261
26 күн бұрын
They should see the evidence that’s already there😢 agreed
@dudeforcaster8630
26 күн бұрын
@@ahmedmahomed wait till after the election, stage 8 and above.
I am nurse. I am moving to Saudi Arabia.
@reniervandermerwe
26 күн бұрын
You are an ANC voter don't fool yourself we see you
Listen, this is not a racial issue or even about poor people. This is about the taxes. 200bn in tax revenue will be collected to loot by the ANC if this bill gets implemented. Government workers are generally well paid but not every civil servant can afford R1500 a month to pay for unemployed people's health care. Tax payers are stretched thin. Municipal rates have doubled in some parts of the country, electricity charges have increased but no reliable supply. Corruption and cadre deployment ruined public hospitals. Medical Aid only became a thing because public hospitals are death traps but now they want to take that away? You think people want to pay more for less services again? The ANC is running this country into the ground. Their loyalists are the people either benefitting from the corruption or are the ones suffering the most. Maybe the failing education system is responsible for people who can't think and they keep voting for the ANC- everything is broken in this country thanks to the ANC. They couldn't even fix the water treatment plants and sort out the damage caused in Durban by the floods two years ago... How will they run this NHI?
ANC fokkof .
Im leaving. I dont see myself in RSA in 20 years. My 18 years of study post matric will not go to Socialism. Theres no future here.
As a doctor who has worked solely in our public sector, I'm leaving.
What else works in SA that gives him such courage to say that? Does the electricity work? Does the crime rate go down? Is there even running water in most parts of the country? It’s not working in first world countries ?? What makes him think it will work in SA?
@johanhuman4382
26 күн бұрын
It's like communism. It failed everywhere but anc still trying to show the world they can do it. They bump their heads against the same stone a thousand times, when they look in the mirror and see their heads get bigger, they think their brains get bigger, not realiziing it is only swelling.
@vona5251
26 күн бұрын
When last did you have lights out?
@revashneenaidoo1642
26 күн бұрын
@@vona5251 are you living under a rock or have you not experienced Load Shedding for the past 5 years ? Convenient it’s on closer to elections
What a joke. Just another coffer for them to loot.
Health workers cannot manage the overload coming , where everyone can go to private hospitals . Long queues . This is chasing them out of SA. Taxpayer's funds do the unnecessary. NHI will fail . Eskom already failed us. The backlog in development is a disgrace. Now they star a new project 😮
@swanepoel4714
25 күн бұрын
It's all for extra votes and to get their hands on more money to steal.
As a midwife I will be leaving.
Too bad the budget cuts to the health sector are so big that hospitals are having to reduce their number of positions for doctors. There literally aren't any jobs for doctors to work in South Africa.
OK... let's look at it like this... moving in 5 year increments... how was South Africa in 2004 (20 years ago)? Did it improve by 2009? OK then did it improve by 2014? Fine then, how was it in 2019? Compared to now in 2024? The simple question is "has South Africa got any better than it was 20 years ago"... only YOU know the answer...
@t-worx4458
26 күн бұрын
They believe their own lies😂👌🏼🤷🏻♀️
Just a question for this guy, will you go sit in the queue at Barra or any other government cesspit called a hospital when you or your family feel poorly? Somehow I doubt it....
@christoanver
26 күн бұрын
They don't
@Fishingforstars
26 күн бұрын
@gavinknox2168You live in the best run city Uhm, why don't you want to sit in queue at your best run hospitals ?
@JDR_ZA
26 күн бұрын
Nope, he will fly to Russia. All for equality right?
@nickyngwana
26 күн бұрын
Nonsense
@JDR_ZA
26 күн бұрын
@@nickyngwana okay
Who is going to pay for NHI? Not even America could afford it. The anc regime could not even maintain the current health care sistem.
I'm a nurse. Well trained...and I'm out of here
@leoniea138
26 күн бұрын
You going to have to come back so spare yourself the drama
@kingmufasa8929
26 күн бұрын
So is my family
@ahmedmahomed
26 күн бұрын
@@leoniea138 💯 😅
@3dguy_za
26 күн бұрын
@@leoniea138I think they will have no problem finding work anywhere
@Motswako
26 күн бұрын
I am a therapist and I left in 2014
Only a fraction of people pay tax even less pay medical aid. Unemployment is worse. SEOs fail.
@needashlakha7252
26 күн бұрын
And they still looked at everything and said : you know what we need ? The NHI bill
@stormIsMe
26 күн бұрын
@@needashlakha7252 Built on an already ill-equipped existing healthcare system. Make it make sense😩
Oh the degre of delusion..!!!
Can the President and the Speaker of Parliament please confirm that all government deployees (Metro/Provincial and National) will be required to exclusively make use of the NHI services and that their privileged current medical aid scheme(s) will no longer be funded by the taxpayers?
This is the beginning of the end for SA😔All the experienced doctors and specialists will be leaving and there will be none left to train the medical interns and pass on knowledge which means the standard of healthcare is going to drop significantly!
the private sector has a PROVEN track record in running things responsibly. the govement should rather give the allocated budget for the public hospitals to the private sector and tell them to take over the public sector and manage it along with the private hospitals - the medical aids then get to keep their clients , the public hospitals will be way better run , there will be accountability, the public will keep confidence in the health care system , the medical funds for a rainy day will be ring fenced and used for what they needed for ... medical issues! this is NOT what the government wants at all!!! they want to get their hands on the cookie jar and screw the public, we cant afford to let this happen!
Give me one reason why I should trust the ANC. You have achieved less than nothing. SA is a total mess, a cesspool.
Doctors will leave.
@tobolee6385
26 күн бұрын
Let the greedy ####s go ...India has better doctors at a fraction of the price .
ANC have not completed their mission which is to totally destroy SA 😢😢😢😢
@RonnieBulloch
26 күн бұрын
Its now fast on the move before 29 May nothing left these clowns break everything that works.
Hey ,heeeey Vote this ANC out together with its friends EFF and MK party.The worst is coming two pot retirement system 😮.ANC will suck you all.
@beewest5704
26 күн бұрын
They are really putting in all measure to suck SA dry by extra tax. Take 30k from your pension & get taxed 9k it's ridiculous.
The world can see that South Africa is getting worse.
Don’t worry, it will take 40 years to implement.
@sedgyd
26 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, it doesn’t mean they will only start taking more money in 40 years🤬🤬
@Ritesh-yy1zr
26 күн бұрын
Thinking the same, I won't be here for that long 😀😀😀
@Fikzo
26 күн бұрын
They want to loot the NHI money
@redactrice294
26 күн бұрын
Thank you! A ray of sunshine in the darkness.
@emotionaleaters241
26 күн бұрын
@@sedgydyes they will start deducting now to "fix" the public hospitals. So 2 medical deductions will come off.
My dr is LEAVING! EVERYTHING ALREADY COLLAPSED UNDER ANC🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know several people in the health care sector who are now leaving their stations, job and country thanks to this fuckery.
hahahah we are all fucked. 58million people and only 20million work and most of them pay tax so they can support the ones who can't or don't work. My guy could barely keep his laugh in.
😂😂😂 all the doctors and people on medical aid are going to leave this country … try to run NHI without taxpayers
Professional doctors will leave 😅. Disaster 😅. Expect witch doctors and inexperienced doctors from sqatter camps 😅😅😅.
@sandradaniels3079
26 күн бұрын
Dr's with 30 percent pass rate
@dannygovender5062
26 күн бұрын
@@sandradaniels3079 😅😅😅👍.
@emotionaleaters241
26 күн бұрын
Our graduates were trained in Russia because it is fast tracked
Anc 😂😂😂😂 Not one SOE is functioning properly. Thanks to the anc kleptocracy.
@christo2690
26 күн бұрын
Hey ! SARS runs perfectly ! 😂😂😂
More billions in the ANC pockets
NHI has failed in the UK but here they think it will work😂😂😂, I think the current system works just fine & all we need to do is combat being short staffed. My heart goes out to all those working in the system & are overworked + underpaid😢
@NearQuasar
26 күн бұрын
UK has a far higher gpd per capita than South Africa.
@tobolee6385
26 күн бұрын
To many foreigners were let it ..nhs works fine ..englandstan must fall ..
@anthonysalgado5118
26 күн бұрын
In Canada instead of treating you for cancer they now want you to accept govt aided suicide.
Why must SA'ns still trust you when everthing you touched has been destroyed to the ground ie Municipalities; SAA; Eskom; Transnet; water supply; Post Office; Education; Police Service; excessive fuel and food prices; looting and corruption etc under your watch
What a joke, what you have achieved over thirty years. Living in cloud cuckoo land. Do these ministers actually hear the rubbish they are spouting.
We want to invite all role players....but we did take part and you 100% ignored our concerns and went ahead with the bill in it's current form.
Doctors and health workers don't have 30% passrate
@tessahugo5448
26 күн бұрын
You mean nowadays
@Fishingforstars
26 күн бұрын
@tessahugo5448 😂
@anthonysalgado5118
26 күн бұрын
These do as all the good ones are going to leave.
As a professional i will be leaving. ANC is a failure
The doctors have been telling you for years that this is a terrible idea, and you did not listen…now you want to talk when they are busy packing their bags.
Health Minister do you really know what you saying ......? I don't think so !
How about fixing what you broke before trying to take on something that works? I will bet he has private medical aid.
Don't worry just send all the invoices to ANC to pay. They wanted the Bill. So they can pay for all of us
It's the bloody ANC that doesn't listen!
Perhaps the minister should read these comments…
Another nail in the coffin gud job ANC
Doctors - run for your lives.
They will bring their comrades the Guptas in to help them load their own private Bank Accounts.
Whats wrong with you people youl always be 100years behind reality
@tessahugo5448
26 күн бұрын
i fully agree
@rafntumble
26 күн бұрын
ANC bot!
@3dguy_za
26 күн бұрын
Well we're about 100 years behind Singapore. And they have develope in30 years
@wildcat_reloading
26 күн бұрын
And whats the reality then?
@fredjansenvanvuuren9021
26 күн бұрын
What reality
Its collapsed even before it starts working
More patients will die in hospitals
He has a healthy dose of illusions... Next will be the teachers... Just saying 🤔
Cant trust these leaders anymore enough is enough, promises and promises voetsek
The scariest thing ever coming from a liar. Trying to dodge a flying bullet more like it.
Mr Minister why ask the people to stay if you were not even able to listen to their warnings? The experts in the medical field are at forefront of fighting agains the bill.
Just vote for DA , the power is jn your hands
Doomsday for all of us so doctors leave this country as soon as possible
Calling out the potential pitfalls of something and highlighting legitimate concerns makes you a naysayer? This is why you cannot take anything the ANC says seriously. They are not even open to having a good-faith dialogue about the issue.
Nothing gets better in Africa
You did not listen to the other role players for the last 10 years! Professional Medical Experts! Run while you can!
If this was such a fantastic idea surely doctors, who are amongst the most intelligent members of society, would be the first to see that it is going to be great……. In this case, a statement like this is a bit worrying tbh. ANC rats signing in a law just before elections when they have no cooking clue how they are going to fund it. 20% of the population can’t fund 80%. The only way SA will become successful is if more people get employed and pay taxes, and the government stops stealing it all.
You as a Minister dont have a clue what go on in a hospital
Things have already collapsed Eskom thing Transnet thing portnet thing almost everything including municipal things
Import your cubans. We will be leaving
You could not even run the state hospitals....
Eish what a bunch of looters
What was achieved in 30 years can only get better. Well why didn't it?
History does not bode well for us. Leave while we can
When you elect leaders who cannot govern, who are put in positions based on affiliation instead of competency. You get this. Had the ANC actually worked for the people, they would have built hospitals and better maintained the existing ones. Unfortunately all the monies funnelled to ESKOM, SAA, Denel etc could have been used for such but then…
All things managed by the Anc had collapse..
Seriously minster please come and have look to Tambo memorial hospital in Ekhuirlini and all the clinics 😢😢😢😢😢😢
I'm 71 year old pensioner I hope it materializes before Im dead. The minister is leaving after the elections it was a bit rich when he spoke about overcharging isnt that what the tendets who were awarded overcharged 500 % then hand outs given and money dred up and job not completed.
More opportunity to loot ridiculous
As a software developer, I'll be leaving What does it have to do with NHI, nothing at all, the country is just clearly captured by politicians who don't need to live with the effects of their policies. NHI is just a hail Mary for the ANC, just another way of saying "more free stuff". Nothing is free, and we clearly can't afford this.
26 күн бұрын
Software Engineer here, nice to see another tech joining the exodus. Been slumming it in this 4th world backwater for my parents, this has 'thankfully' been the final push too far for them, they're in their 60's and aren't going to be subjected to the whims of the anc wrt their healthcare. All I can say is, 'Thank God for remote work and US Dollars'. Looks like Buenos Aires it is.
@pieterrossouw8596
25 күн бұрын
Yeah parents and in-laws are the definitely the tricky bit. Got some friends who moved to NZ but it's really tough with the timezones.
Not a doctor, but public hospitals are kak, and private sector build world class hospitals, now they want to mess it up. Also are they going to match the salaries private hospitals are paying top doctors.
This is the last nail in the ANC coffin
@redactrice294
26 күн бұрын
Let's hope so.
@adriansmuts5086
26 күн бұрын
When I read some comments here, Im worried - those fools are the anc voters, and they know nothing about economics or Healthcare! Just political hogwash fed to them...
@ntsako_nxu
26 күн бұрын
Unfortunately we have to many political parties if we only had 2 or 3 competing against each other we would be able to remove ANC honestly
@adriansmuts5086
26 күн бұрын
@@ntsako_nxuand they all in it for their egos and own gain! Sadly, not for us the people and the the voters...they disrespect us all and use us for boring fodder!
7 million taxpayers carrying all of you useless ANC, the 26 million grant recipients And the rest of the 62 million ? Better? 🤣🤣🤣
You can’t even find money and posts for your newly qualified doctors. How do you expect them to stay? Must they work for nothing after paying for 6 years of tuition? The system is broken and you tell us not to be naysayers.
I don't think doctors are listening to the doomsayers. They are smart enough to make their own decisions, based on their own conclusions. And so is the rest of us. We don't have much hope. After all, the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.
@emotionaleaters241
26 күн бұрын
Absolutely. Their track record speaks for them
Time for the new Government! This is Bad! The doctors will leave. Who is gona stop them.
@promisepromises374
26 күн бұрын
We have plenty of unemployed doctors who will look forward to covering those open vacancies .
@marketingdesign1136
26 күн бұрын
are they gona get paid R350? Whos funding it are you paying tax with me leka!
@Nadia-co1gk
26 күн бұрын
@@promisepromises374 Most with a pass rate of 30%. They won't touch me with a ten foot pole!!
Best to leave this country if you can.
You didn't proof any success in 30 years - why should we trust you now???????
We all know it will get worse
the fact that healthcare workers want to leave as a result of the decision and they STILL GOING THROUGH WITH IT says a lot about how arrogant they are. They refuse to believe that the decisions they are making is wrong and and that it's actually everyone else's fault.
@t-worx4458
26 күн бұрын
Not just anyone, Apartheid is to blame for their failure here🤷🏻♀️ they play that card on a daily🎉
We're leaving because NHI will fail it even failed in a developed country like the UK
"dont listen to the doomsayer" - instead, listen to the compulsive liars😂 what a joke!!
lies, nothing has been achieved the last years, cheers SA. Can hear in the tone of voice, just want more!!
What has been achieved over 30 years 😂
Getting desperate are we I lost my GP in 2017 because of this stoopid law. ANC can't be trusted
Achieved over 30 Years, what a joke we already have two of our customers Immigrating end of this Month both are Doctors.
I will cancel my medical aid and give goverment fokol will pay for my own dokters will not see goverment dokters will support the docter I jnow
@t-worx4458
26 күн бұрын
If you work for a company, they will professionally deduct that funds off your salary, with or without medical aid🤷🏻♀️
Another promise to add to all the other promises that never materialized.
Why would doctors stay? load shedding in the health care sector loading