Doctor Who LGBTQ Representation: Still Room for Improvement (Pride Month)

Supporting LGBTQ charities:
donorbox.org/support-stonewall
mermaidsuk.org.uk/?form=donate
Some LGBTQ Doctor Who KZreadrs to check out:
Council of Geeks: www.youtube.com/@CouncilofGeeks
Jessie Gender (After Dark): www.youtube.com/@jessiegenderafterdark5287
Josh Snares: www.youtube.com/@JoshSnares
Juliet1203 (Small Whotuber, deserves more love): www.youtube.com/@juliet1203_
With it being pride month I take another look at LGBTQ+ representation in Doctor Who in the RTD2 era and how it can be improved with the gay romance plot in Rogue as well as trans characters appearing such as Rose Noble and Jinkx Monsoon as Maestro.
#lgbtq #lgbtqrepresentation #doctorwho
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0:00 Intro
1:17 Rogue
2:59 Trans Representation, Maestro
4:16 Rose Noble
5:19 Russell T Davies is more interested in posturing
7:22 Conclusion and Fundraising

Пікірлер: 15

  • @walterengler5709
    @walterengler5709Ай бұрын

    The show now has 20% of the viewers as of the peak viewer ship. No one wants this. The show is dead. No need to push anymore as after this season and next per contracts, even Disney will finally say it's bleeding money and has to die. So it will go off the air. And in 10-15 years someone will bring it back and get rid of all the bad changes. Almost like the whole Bobby episodes in Dallas. It will be like none of this happened. Because marketing and money drive such things. No one buys the dolls and merchandise relating to the new show or one under Jodi. So it's all worthless now to people with money.

  • @MidnightChimey

    @MidnightChimey

    Ай бұрын

    Viewership is not what it once was, but that's also true across the board really, the way people consume media is changing. Disney wouldn't have put the investment behind Doctor Who in the first place if they really thought the franchise was not viable

  • @walterengler5709

    @walterengler5709

    Ай бұрын

    @@MidnightChimey ROFLAMO -- Disney lost over $1 Billion on bad films last year. They cut 7,000 workers gutting entire departments in an effort to cut costs by$5 Biilion over the coming years as everything they are touching (streaming, park attendance, merchandise) are all not doing well compared to how they used to do. They are out of touch with their consumer base. And I won't get into the other controversies and lawsuits which are regular news in Florida which does not get reported nationally (but shows they have rocks for brains). Yes they are still profitable but the money making machine of the past is gone, and as more of their properties (like steam boat willie) enter public domain due to how they pissed of certain people and groups continues, they are not showing a company that has financial wisdom.

  • @jacob4245
    @jacob4245Ай бұрын

    oh boy, it's lovely to see all of these very good faith doctor who "critics" in the comment section absolutely attempting to engage genuinely with the show and the context of its development /s. i can't tell if it's more impressive or more pathetic that losers like this are finding themselves on such a small, mildy-toned video, but either way, it's unfortunately not surprising. i can only hope that one day the peple complaining about doctor who going woke grow into their thinking caps, and maybe learn what fun is too. this was a great watch, it's encouraging and refreshing to see such a reasoned and sober appraisal of doctor who's tackling of these issues. i don't really have a good transition into my own thoughts on some of these topics, but you asked for them so here goes! i've seen the fact that Rose Noble is non-binary held up as a contradiction to her own presentation and the way she interfaces with her surroundings being consistent with a binary trans person a couple of times now, first and most notably in Council of Geeks' video on The Star Beast, and while i know that it comes from a place of good intentions, i think that the argument--ironically--treats non-binary expression in a very binary way. non-binary gender isn't its own class of gender entirely divorced from any binary form, and it also isn't not its own class: non-binary describes anything that lies at all outside the stricture of binary categorisation, but that doesn't also mean that there can't be any overlap with binary experiences of gender. the implication that, just because Rose is non-binary, she can't experience or express her gender in ways that are also identifiable with a binary trans experience casts non-binary gender in its own mutually exclusive paradigm: that between binary and non-binary gender experiences, which is similarly reductive to trans experiences as ignoring non-binary identity altogether. it makes sense where this conception comes from: to a lot of people who lie within the gender binary--and even some who don't--their perception of a non-binary experience is similarly codified as is a binary one. it's an all-too-common assumption that non-binary people must prefer they/them, in the same way that the reified category of men prefer he/him, and women prefer she/her. even though it might not be consistent with the quintessential "non-binary experience", Rose's gender is no less non-binary, there's no contradiction here. personally, the fact that the show chooses to represent a dimension of trans experience that is so seldom talked about--that of a non-binary presentation with key overlaps into presentations expected of binary trans women--is incredibly impressive. there was an easy way to write a non-binary character here--by adhering to that reified sense of non-binary--but we still got a character whose gender has nuance in its portrayal. to me, that's the clearest sign that there was real effort put into her writing, and it's personally a shame that just a beautiful choice of character writing happens to be so easily confusable with a misunderstanding of trans experience that is--while i don't think on display here--still disappointingly common. RTD has definitely stumbled when it comes to putting in the legwork with regards to minority representation, but to me this is an example of just the opposite (or, at least, it's easy to read it as such, which is just as good). i respect the choice to deadname Rose for a similar reason. while i would never be so enthusiastic as to suggest that deadnaming was necessary to portray some of the vitriol that trans people are actually subjected to. admittedly, even after months of sitting with the episode i'm still not personally convinced of the praxis of the choice, but i adamantly respect it, and i do think that The Star Beast is a better trans story for including it--at least better than it would be if it cut the scene without replacing it with another similarly visceral experience. the other point i'll make is that for as short as RTD's representation--and in some cases, commentary--has fallen this era, comparing it to the Chibnall era is far too mean in my opinion; RTD is making big leaps and tripping over his own feet, but i don't honestly think Chibnall's era ever managed to make a political statement that wasn't firmly digging its feet into the sand from the beginning.

  • @MidnightChimey

    @MidnightChimey

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing all your thoughts, especially the complexities around Rose being non-binary, I appreciate that what is presented in the episode isn't necessarily contradictory, honestly it would be great to see more non-binary people represented who use he/him or she/her pronouns etc., I do still wonder though if it would have benefited from Rose's identity being established a little earlier and whether that would have prevented some of the confusion. Glad that it worked so well for you though

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfieldАй бұрын

    Good rundown (from this cis-straight white guy's perspective, anyway!)

  • @MidnightChimey

    @MidnightChimey

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @emogeorgiemcr

    @emogeorgiemcr

    Ай бұрын

    As a part of the LGBTQ+ community, I think you did a great job :) I feel the same about it!

  • @prinnydood3095
    @prinnydood3095Ай бұрын

    The messages in this show killed it....first doctor who...was just telling a story...with no hidden lq whatever....it. Was just entertainmentt

  • @MidnightChimey

    @MidnightChimey

    Ай бұрын

    It is still entertainment...

  • @cheapfinish6224

    @cheapfinish6224

    25 күн бұрын

    More importantly, Doctor Who has never just been mindless entertainment. Most forms of entertainment like science-fiction have a message and a moral to them.

  • @daChief-khalife
    @daChief-khalifeАй бұрын

    Evil cannot create it only corrupts and destroys

  • @MidnightChimey

    @MidnightChimey

    Ай бұрын

    ?

  • @cheapfinish6224

    @cheapfinish6224

    25 күн бұрын

    Most of the people who leave destructive and harsh comments about the LGBQT+ community do exactly that don't you daChief?