Hope everyone's having a wonderful day! After the testing in this video, I'm certainly curious to take things further. What if it were significantly colder? What would the results look like on snow/ice? We'll see what conditions allow for, but I was definitely intrigued by how this played out. Granted, the equipment isn't cheap, but if anyone's curious to try out their own tires, I've listed the gear used in the video description. Most importantly is the VBox: amzn.to/2nPBBwX

@wikpil

6 жыл бұрын

Maby You can borrow different set of summer tireset - from the same price range as winter one.

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

+Wiktor Pilewski There's about a $30 difference between the tires on Tire Rack.

@Urukior4

6 жыл бұрын

I think the question a lot of people have is - is it worth it to use Winter Tires over All Seasons for the winter if temperatures are very cold but there is no snow?

@nougayork13

6 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained It might be interesting to compare how they do when the tires are cold. It might be more dangerous to have summer tires when they have not warmed up yet as the response might be much worst

@zijlstroomeenennegentiglei7724

6 жыл бұрын

I'm very curious about cornering. Because to be fair, maximum braking with winter tyres isn't one of the conditions it's going to be used in often. You should do a video where you test the maximum lateral G's on both tyres. Preferably on a circuit.

You had your headlights on when using the summer tires. The projected photons made the difference and helped slow you down! :) Very cool test -- the results were counter-intuitive and I learned something.

@dancahill9122

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Y Are you sure you learned anything ? Just kidding my friend ! ! LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.

@ytechnology

6 жыл бұрын

Hah! If Jason used his high beams, he would have stopped even sooner!

@xSpyke438x

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Y the difference with and without low beam is none because the brake light push you. Headlight only slow you down on acceleration. Should try with brake light disconnected

@n_u001

6 жыл бұрын

Fog lights would make him stop even sooner combined with high beams!

@n_u001

6 жыл бұрын

On pure snow? no, winter tires will not stop faster than summer tires or any other tire because since there is no contact with the actual road, you will still have the same braking time.

I really do appreciate these random test videos. I never knew I wanted to know something that I always wanted to know.(Because I live in the exact climate that you are testing for. Cold weather, no snow)

@bustjanzupan1074

Жыл бұрын

Amennn !!! ! !!! 🙂

Have had an S2000 for 13 years here in Colorado. I daily drive. I can back up everything your test showed. My cut off for summer tires is as soon as the roads get wet. Wet and near freezing, or below, and those summer tires drop off VERY fast. But if things were dry, summer tires never really seemed to perform worse than winter tires. Coldest I can remember knowingly driving on summer tires would be about 15-20f. And I could feel how rock hard they had become. Was not confidence inspiring to say the least. But I knew I wasn't in a good situation, so I drove very conservatively. But nothing beats putting on a set of winter tires, and hitting the snow in a S2000. My cut off is 8 inches, but mostly because I will high center on drainage area, and our plow trucks only plow one lane on residential roads, making it very difficult to get over any berms they may leave from plowing. But I generally would only miss 1-3 days a year of work from snow.

would like a comparison between all season and winter for no snow

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

I have done one video on the subject, but with warmer temperatures: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqauk5anZNm8m7Q.html

@TraceyAllen

6 жыл бұрын

Me too in the crosscheck.

@jd-py5nm

6 жыл бұрын

agreed! my nexen all seasons are not stopping well in this snow

@Sonickrunch

6 жыл бұрын

Could you please just mention the glass transition # typical of an all-season? Can we just say it's somewhere in the middle or would it lean closer to the winter value?

@JMNTN

6 жыл бұрын

Samuel Lee all season is no season

If it doesn't take too much time, something like a moose test using both sets of tyres could also be very interesting.

@dashcammer4322

6 жыл бұрын

Moose test = come flying around a corner and hit a moose crossing the road. Those things are horse-size, and it's gonna hurt!

Great video! I didn't put my winter tires on quick enough one year, and the temperature had dropped to below freezing the night before. When I was going to leave for work, it reminded me of when I was a kid with one of those Big Wheels trikes.

@microbuilder

6 жыл бұрын

I'll happily take a longer braking distance if it means I can actually accelerate and turn...my '01 VW is absolutely worthless in the snow if I dont have winter tires on...Big Wheels trike indeed.

@Zero-ks3pc

6 жыл бұрын

microbuilder my car will throw the backend out under slight throttle on dry roads at near freezing temps with summer tires, and accelerating modestly mid rpm in second gear also breaks the tires loose. I really hope people don’t think it’s ok to keep Summer tires on and they’ll be more safe in near freezing temps. Southern states would be fine, but months of sub zero, you need the winter tire compound, even if you don’t need the tread design and siping.

@DozIT

6 жыл бұрын

My 2013 Corolla is garbage in the snow without winters. It is also very tail happy if I don’t have my toolbox in the trunk!

@1SaG

6 жыл бұрын

Anecdotal evidence: I witnessed a guy trashing his brand-new Buell a few years ago, when he decided to show it off at a local cafe on a clear, ice-cold winter day. Motorcycle-rubber *really* doesn't like cold temps, but he drove off on a dry road, gave it a bit too much gas to impress people, totally lost control when the rear wheel broke traction and banged the bike's frame up so badly in the crash that the beautiful Buell was more or less scrap afterwards.

@BazColne

5 жыл бұрын

Top 10 Sorry, I don't get it.

I get them even if it doesn't. Got stuck at work in a blizzard one year on crappy all seasons, couldn't do more than 20 mph and I was all over the place. Mix that in with Pennsylvania hills and it was a nightmare. For ~$100 a tire, I'll spend that easily. (I have General Altimax Artic 12's now and they were pretty awesome last week with 2-3" of snow)

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome, yep they're a life saver when it snows!

@Suction_

6 жыл бұрын

Having traction in general is nice. I was using 20 as a generalized figure.

@thepanduuh

6 жыл бұрын

Threw these on my cobalt and the difference was unreal. Took off my Indy 500 wide ovals with 3/32” left. 17” snow tires are so cheap

The difference in stopping distance in an emergency could mean the difference between life and death---no joke.

@YeetxBoi

6 жыл бұрын

Taco Pro yeah but reaction time from your average driver and their lack of ability to handle high stress reactions well would make that null and void

@Dylanschillin

6 жыл бұрын

L3G1T i mean going 25mph and sliding when you hit the brakes makes you need winter tires

@canadianexposures

6 жыл бұрын

Your argument doesn't really hold water when you consider that the same reaction time is applicable to whether you have summers or winters on the vehicle. The one tire will still stop shorter when operated in the conditions it is designed for. The fact that a human takes x.xx seconds to respond to a stimuli doesn't wipe out the difference between the two tires once the soft squishy meat sack presses the pedal. Unless somehow summer tires pump speed/adrenaline into your system resulting in faster reaction times.

@nsevaslidis

6 жыл бұрын

You should keep in mind that it only takes one turn with ice to crash with summer tires and if you can reduce the probability of that happening using winter tires, that could also mean the difference between life and death. So think twice before choosing.

@dicksplatts007

6 жыл бұрын

Also you'd stop quicker as he only used the brakes to stop and not down shifting to use engines braking

Temperature below which a polymer gets hard, brittle and glassy and above which it gets soft flexible and rubbery is called as glass transition temperature of a polymer I HAVE EXAM ON POLYMERS TOMORROW..........

@GuyFromJupiter

6 жыл бұрын

Anton Zuykov Uh, no! This is exactly the time when you're supposed to be goofing off and doing nothing! 🙃

@andrewfritchen6827

6 жыл бұрын

That is what he said

@user-po6hn9id1t

6 жыл бұрын

Kedar Sawant all I have to say is: good luck...

@kedarsawant6579

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@dashcammer4322

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, if you've done all your problem sets, and understand the material well, cramming isn't necessary. Crammers usually are people who slacked off for the last three weeks.

This is exactly the reason I bought all season tires instead of Blizzaks for my Mustang GT. Most of the time in NY/CT I'm on cold pavement, not snow (knock on virtual wood). Thanks for the great video!!!

Isn't the glass transition temperature only a measure of the actual tire's temperature and not ambient temperature? I think that the friction from driving around at 65 mph for a while would be enough to warm up the summer tires to above the glass transition temp.

@ajw9975

6 жыл бұрын

I agree; perhaps a test when the car has been sitting out for a set amount of time and hasn't been moved for > 5 mins.

@neovenom9833

6 жыл бұрын

If that is the case why doesn't the ice melt when driving over by cars?

@thatf_inguy8220

6 жыл бұрын

it does

@poobank

6 жыл бұрын

Time for liquid nitrogen LOL

@random_n

6 жыл бұрын

It does, and that's why roads are salted in the winter. Otherwise, the lanes where people drive polish up when the air temp is just below freezing and the tire heat is enough to melt it. Exhaust condensate further worsens the issue at intersections. Also why during the first snowfall before there's salt applied, there are a lot of accidents. It's not just a collective forgetting-how-to-drive issue; the roads really are extra slick.

Really interesting. Nice job.

Im sure they just heat up a solid amount during the actual braking

It briefly snowed here in Atlanta last week and I was just think about this. Thanks for the Video!

I really enjoy how thorough you are with your tests and very honest about your observations/potential errors. This is what gives me trust in your content. Also, thank you for doing a test on something I always wanted to know but no car magazine has ever shown before.

I would be interested in seeing the actual tire temperature rather than the ambient temperature. I wonder if under normal driving conditions the tire temperatures would rise above the glass transition temperature.

Everyone is going to take this entire video wrong. "Its not snowing outside, so im fine" Well.. No, your'e not fine. Tyres will behave significantly different depending on the temperature and road surface. What you do not want to encounter with summer tyres is ice, or frost. Winter tyres help with this. The road surface here seem very dry to me. You cannot and shouldn't predict its not going to snow where you are today because you won't experience a dry road surface all the time, so even if winter tyres perform worse in dry conditions, the risk is not worth it. Its better to hit something with low speed (Comparison dry condition), than to hit something, when you're out of control in high speed due to a slippery road surface. Below zero? Wear winter tyres, studded winter tyres if allowed and suiting.

@zapadoceskesilnice3231

6 жыл бұрын

"Everyone is going to take this entire video wrong. "Its not snowing outside, so im fine"" - This video should never have been even made public and this is exactly why. Some idiot's going to die because of this sooner or later.

@PbPomper

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's a very one-sided video. Driving a car is not just about stopping distance. I miss the cornering and control. And more importantly, wet conditions without snow or ice. I realize you have no influence on the conditions, but there should be much more emphasis on the fact that these tests are kind of pointless as an advice.

@animefreak5757

6 жыл бұрын

modern high performance winter tires have no need of stud's, they grip better then studded tires. If your going to pay to stud a set of tires, i'd just use that money to buy better tires imo.

@wt8213

6 жыл бұрын

animefreak5757 studs do there job when you live in an area there is lot of ice on the roads. So someone who lives in a lesser populated area that may not see there roads cleared or salted that often. But if you live in a city with heavy traffic it is just a waist of money since if there's enough traffic there is no chance for ice to biuld up. If you have decent tread and you drive with some common sense there should be no need for studded for the most part.

@joshuawebb3337

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you live in an area where your likely to need to drive in inclimate weather, winter tires are a good insurance policy.

I love that you ask and answer all the questions I didn't know I wanted answers to.

What a fitting upload when i get winter tires put on today.

As a resident of the Pacific Northwet, I'd be curious to see a comparison in cold rain...maybe about 35 degrees...not quite freezing but still cold. We get A LOT of that up here over winter (as you know).

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, I run winter tires every winter, but I'm also taking my Crosstrek up Mt. Hood, over passes, in the snow, etc. I think all-seasons could be fine year round, with a few days of exceptions when the cities actually get snow/ice.

@ajw9975

6 жыл бұрын

Agree. I live in Vancouver BC (Canada) and we get MONTHS of night-time 1C-7C. The only time I've switched from my UHP all seasons if I know for sure we'll get snow followed by a prolonged spell of sub-freezing temps (I just switched yesterday just before the first major snowstorm hit). But woe is me when I have the winters on and a pineapple express (10C+) decides to invade in the winter! I hate driving around in winters (and my car) under these conditions!

@bottomlayer

6 жыл бұрын

what about the newer all-season tires like the Nokian WRG3 that have the 3-peak sign that winter tires have? Not as good as full-on snow tires, but good if you only have a few days of exceptions when the cities actually get snow/ice, but not enough to justify two sets of tires.

I think the test is slightly unfair as you’re comparing semi-slick summer tyres to winter tyres. The summers have a larger contact patch. In cold wet conditions, winter tyres make a difference. The deeper tread helps disperse water much better and aquaplaning is reduced, and often the braking distances in the cold/wet beat summer tyres. I’m running Dunlop winter sport 5 tyres this winter with almost 1cm tread depth and the ability to deal with slush/surface water is pretty remarkable. Try a test in the wet 🙂

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

The purpose of this test was to look at compound differences in the dry. I agree wet testing would be interesting.

@ninesix8

6 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video thanks. I too would be interested, living in Scotland, to see the same test in wet conditions.

@samuelbaird4983

6 жыл бұрын

Summer tires do much better in wet conditions than winter tires do. In fact, summer tires in wet roads have better grip than winter tires do on dry ones, provided it's above 45°F. The only time winter tires have an advantage is when it's snowing/icy.

@ZylonFPV

6 жыл бұрын

Samuel Baird that’s not quite correct. Winter tyres are pretty bad in the summer, but when temps are lower than 7c in the wet they do grip better. Plenty of tests have proved that.

@ZylonFPV

6 жыл бұрын

Jay Cola yup, exactly

Not the boiler plate answer I was expecting. I always love the fact that your put real testing behind your conclusions.

I completely expected a different result. Very interesting keep it up!

Wow that is really interesting to see. Certainly surprised me.

The results should turn out much closer if the test was between all-season tires and winter tires. Most cars on the road have all-seasons. Only a small fraction are running ultra-high-performance summers like your RE-71Rs. ...and anyone running those Bridgestones would never run them in the winter anyway. You're a trusted voice on the internet Jason, I really hope people don't forgo winter tires based on this one test. Especially since this test is unlikely to represent those people's tire situation.

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you! I too hope people understand the stated conclusion; I certainly wasn’t implying (nor did I state) there is a lack of value in winter tires for winter conditions.

@YangSui

6 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained Thanks for your reply Jason. And thank you for doing all these fun engineering videos.

@corporaal1

4 жыл бұрын

In NL most cars have summer tires..

I had this exact question this week and by chance found this video, thanks for the great experimental methods !

thank you for this, this was something i've always wondered about and could never find anything solid

Wow this is really interesting! I think the difference between the 205 and 225 might be more than you think. I'd measure the actual tread width with a tape measure because I know some tire manufactures don't have accurate 205 or 225 measurements. the 225 tires could be an inch or two wider.

Are there tires made specifically for cold dry roads? Here in the Mid-Atlantic region during winter it snows 3 or 4 times but most days it's just cold, usually 30s and 40s. Seeing how snow/winter tires aren't ideal for dry roads, which tire type is best? All seasons?

Thanks for the video! I even recommended this channel to my neighbor personally, and he said that already knows about it and likes it. Keep up the good work! In my part of Texas, my only concern would be about all-season tires. It snows here once every 3 years, I think, but I also want to be able to travel to colder parts of the state. My grandmother gave me very wise advice: "Tires are not a place where you want to save money." Her point was that, if you cannot control your vehicle, you could have problems. Maybe big problems.

Thanks so much for posting this! I was doing a ton of online research recently and could only find hyperbole & ‘manufacturer recommendations’- no clear facts. Keep up the good work.

Imperial 12 inched in a foot 5280 feet in a mile Water boils at 212f Water freezes at 32f Metric 100cm in a meter 1000 meters in a kilometre Water boils at 100c Water freezes at 0c

@herculesrockefeller2984

6 жыл бұрын

how many freedom fries are in a killogram?

@ootdega

6 жыл бұрын

British Imperial or American Imperial? Oh, I went there.

@Candisa

6 жыл бұрын

Hercules Rockefeller How's that Kinder egg in "the land of the free"? Or what about bringing a few oranges with you on a road trip through multiple states? Yeah, enjoy your "freedom"! XD

@ootdega

6 жыл бұрын

If you have to use examples that childishly small to prove a point, it proves you have no point.

@tim84k10

5 жыл бұрын

@@ootdega the U.S. does not use the "Imperial" system. The imperial system was established in 1824; the U.S. was free by then. Not really sure why so many people think the U.S. Standard system is the imperial system; it isn't and never has been.

"40-45f" that's winter down here in Florida!

Very helpful video! I was actually expecting the opposite results, due to the softer material of winter tyres. I will be more careful from now on!

Good vid. Shared this with my dad. Happy holidays!

i think it has to be like minus 15 celsius or less for the winter tires to really shine, summer tires should just glide at that temp

@jrlepage2a03

6 жыл бұрын

Connor Segeren More like 7°C but yeah, above that threshold they're not only useless but dangerous. Not to mention they wear out faster.

@bobs12andahalf2

6 жыл бұрын

I can tell you from experience that you're right.

@HCkev

4 жыл бұрын

Only need a tiny bit of snow or ice for the summer tires to be worthless

Some of the summer tires continue to perform pretty well down to freezing temperatures, despite that no being their intended application. These results seem to be consistent with that. I would be very curious to see what happens if this same test was repeated at cold temperatures (something like -10 F) rather than just below freezing.

I love your channel, and appreciate all the contributions you make to the corporate knowledge of the car enthusiast community! If you are interested in further testing, I would be very interested in hearing how these same tires perform during braking on a wet surface in near-freezing conditions.

I've been following this channel for a while and loved that video. Here in Vienna we don't have snow that often and streets are dry most of the time. As I'm not using the car very often I didn't put winter tires on this year. I didn't think the stopping distances were that much longer. I actually feel quite a bit safer now using summer tyres tbh. Those meters extra could be very important on an accident.. Thanks for that test. I appreciate your work.

What about when it is rainy?

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Haven't tested it, I don't know! But generally it doesn't rain when it's 25 deg F out. Usually some form of snow/ice.

@detmer87

6 жыл бұрын

Use best tested summer tire for wet conditions.

@alessandromelone1049

6 жыл бұрын

Would there be a difference if you were to heat up your summer tires for example after 5 braking and a bit of cornering? I would say the difference would raise between summer and winter tires. Great video by the way that is something that will come in handy, here in central Italy is cold 4 C but there is no snow or rain

@gautdo

6 жыл бұрын

@alessandro : The same weather here in Belgium : between -5 and 10 degree C during the all winter and a lot of rain where the winter tire make a big difference

@mezalong

6 жыл бұрын

In England its rains a lot. And i use summer tyres all year round and they grip good. Winter tyres in UK is a con.

Your winter tire is for extreme winter conditions with strud holes on it... You can't expect performance on these temp. If you trye this test with nokian wr a4 or conti 850p or michelin pa4 you will get way better results.

Always at the right time with the uploads! I was wondering this exact thing. Got a set of Michelin PS3 on my car and was wondering if it was safe even if it doesnt snow here. Great video.

This video is great! Thanks for taking the time to make it!!!

You should have gone with performance winter tires. Performance winter tire tread blocks are not as squirmy Nontheless, interesting test

@dippst

6 жыл бұрын

might have encountered the issue of availability. probably not too many s2000's seeing DD service in snowy regions.

@phamlam3720

6 жыл бұрын

He has Michelin X Ice Xi3 which are highly rated, second to WS80.

So as long as you carry a set of winter tires with you everywhere to change out on the spot in case it snows or rains (or you are able to predict future perfectly), summer tires are ok to use in dry conditions? Convenient to know! Wouldn't slicks work even better?

@legacysage

6 жыл бұрын

Just get all seasons for summer, and a dedicated winter set. Slicks are great on perfectly maintained pavement, but on anything rough, or wet, you can say goodbye to all of your traction.

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Dainis was being sarcastic in a condescending manner, but I appreciate your thoughtful response back +legacysage. We're all here to learn, some just don't like to play nice.

@dberzins

6 жыл бұрын

I do appreciate the scientific curiosity, but i really hate the accident rate spikes whenever it snows for the first time in autumn, because people think summer tires are "good enough while it is still dry" and then are unable/unwilling to swap them for winters when it snows or rains and freezes over. So for track use (where you actually can see what the weather is and chose a tire for that) would a slick not be better still? And for off the track use, just get a summer set and a winter set and swap them. Due to wear it is actually more economical than all seasons if you have the place to store the spares. Personally i even get a smaller wheel for cheaper tires during winter.

@inflatable2

5 жыл бұрын

@@dberzins The problem is the people driving, not the tyres they are using.. In my country insurance numbers show that in winter more cars using wintertyres are involved in accidents then cars without.. This is probably due to drivers using wintertyres taking more risk thinking their "special" tyres allow for it..

@IR-xy3ij

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not going to drive aggressively with equipment operating outside of their parameters, and as a result I do run 100tw tires when I'm on the track, uhp summer tires in summer and all season tires in winter. In the very rare occurrence when the streets haven't been plowed after snowfall, I won't go out unless necessary. (Plus no winter tire comes in the size my vehicle needs)

I moved from California to North Dakota, and I'm amazed at how the extreme cold changes a car's performance and the things you have to worry about. It would be interesting to see a video explaining the modifications common in cold-weather climates (block heaters, oil pan heaters, battery blankets, etc.) and how these improve function, and by how much.

i have been waiting for a video like this, thank you.

What about wet conditions? For example, I live in the Netherlands, where there are almost no snow nor minus degrees, but it rains a lot. Is it possible to do a test for that or at least to have your point for this case?

@1wasinAlpha

6 жыл бұрын

Lachezar Lechev summer tires are best for wet conditions

@erikgundersen1

5 жыл бұрын

In the NL you should use all season tires or regular summer .No point to buy winter tires in your area.But in winter time you are not allowed to drive in Germany on summer tires 🚘👌

@inflatable2

5 жыл бұрын

@@erikgundersen1 Not fully true.. It's a general misconception wintertyres in Germany are always mandatory in winter.. They are only mandatory in 'winter conditions'.. This basically means when there's no snow or ice on the roads you are still allowed to use all-season or regular summer tyres.. If you get caught out in snowy or icy conditions and cause an accident the fine is 60 to 80 euro for not using wintertyres.. In the Netherlands where there's no snow or ice on the road for 99.9% of the time in winter special wintertyres are pretty much useless.. Lot's of people try to make you believe otherwise, but it's mainly all marketing they all get fooled by.. It's a business trying to sell more tyres, of course they want you to use an extra set, even if you do not really need them and in fact are more dangerous to use for 99.9% of the time you are using them.. A 25% longer braking distance on dry tarmac like shown in this test is no joke..

@AHBdV

3 жыл бұрын

For wet conditions, the results are reversed! Winter tires are much better, and the summer tires are far worse. This is well known behaviour for winter and summer tires. So although these test are correct, they are also dangerously lacking...

@inflatable2

2 жыл бұрын

@Dean that is correct, and only if you are blocking the road because of not using winter tyres in winter conditions and not making any other damages..

You're only looking at one metric, straight line stops. I'm curious how cold weather effects summer tire's grip, say for example you have to make an evasive maneuver. What would be better in this senario? Winter tires or summer tires? I'd imagine summer tires lose a significant amount of grip in winter due to the glass transition temperature change.

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

It's only one metric, but it tells you a lot about the tire. The maximum grip of the summer tire is significantly higher than the winter in the dry, so it's very likely that in all aspects of performance it will be superior. If the numbers were closer, it's possible the winter tires could be better in some aspects. The summer tire is much more responsive in the dry (as discussed in the video) on top of having better stopping power.

@ProjectExMachina

6 жыл бұрын

It would be more relevant if you didn't use economy winter tire vs UHP summer tire. US have Pilot Alpin 4 and Alpin 4. Or you could try Coninental WinterContact. I have a feeling that tested sets are not comparable.

@chrxx4327

6 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained valid points, and I know you don't have access to a skid pad, but I am curious how how quality all seasons, winter, and summer tires would all compare in cold dry weather conditions in relation to skid pad numbers as well as braking. Thanks for the great content.

@DENicholsAutoBravado

6 жыл бұрын

Chrx, I would like to see an all weather tire test as well. I've lived in a lot of places, where its the only thing we'll buy. Sure, it'll snow, but not often enough to lose better stopping distances in the dry, since while it's cold, it's usually not snowy wet. Dark099x, haha, you both have x ending names...anyway, the snow tires are actually high end and have a very similar price point to his summer tires. He didn't cheap out. If you look at more comments you'll see EE saying this, plus I think EE said it's in the description.

@IR-xy3ij

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectExMachina I tried alpin pa4 and found them to be inferior than dws06 on dry and wet surfaces and is only better on snow. I won't be running winter tires again because my area plows the snow extremely quickly.

Great informational video - another comparison you could do is this same braking test in wet conditions with summer tires vs. all-season or winter tires. I live in the Pacific Northwest where it rarely snows, but the roads are often wet in ~40 degree temps. Good stuff!

I sure as heck did not expect this outcome!

Where did the guage cluster go while testing the winter tyres?

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Had my lights on, so it's dimmed.

@angelgjr1999

6 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained That sounds strange. Wouldn’t you want bright cluster in the nighttime?

@CODMarioWarfare

6 жыл бұрын

Angel Gutierrez The cluster in my car is not illuminated, so in that case it would be brighter at night. However, in a car like this, the cluster is illuminated during the day, and it has to be bright to beat the sunlight. At night, it can be dimmer and still very visible, and the dim mode is easier on the night vision.

Tire sizes are different so contact patch is wider on summers. Speed rating are also different get higher speed Yokohama avs or nokian rated winters.

@Artcore103

6 жыл бұрын

speed rating is irrelevant since he's not approaching the speed rating of even the lowest rated tire.

@blaineneville917

6 жыл бұрын

Artcore103 Speed rating is the compound of the tire ability to grip the road ie take corner faster without sliding and stopping distance not just how fast you can go on the tire for a sustained period of time.

Props for doing this. I did something similar on my own car years back, but didn't bother recording. Been arguing this point on the forum for years. The only solid reference is the 2009 CarAndDriver test, which didn't have a clean summer tires to begin with, and is getting quite stale. I think it's a real crime that car magazines do not bother testing this fairly wide-spread myth of winter tires having more dry grip as well, and the suggested 'changeover' temperature of 48F. I hope some journo's from mainstream car mags do see this piece and decide to do a proper test at different temps, using different tire compounds, testing cornering as well. Thanks for your video again, I hope it results in further test that make us all safer. The real implication for safety is that all those driving on ice&snow winter tires should keep a longer following distance on dry winter highway, cause in the event of a panic stop they run the risk of rear-ending a minivan on bald all-season tires just ahead due to the lack of grip.

Thanks for the great video showing the differences between summer tires and winter tires in dry cold days. I personally think the winters are particularly effective when it’s cold, wet, and of course snow/ice.

I feel like its worth noting that the summer tires were high performance tires, and already softer than normal tires. Idk if there's a high performance winter tire but the test wasn't very fair

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

High performance summer tires, designed for summer conditions. They are quite hard, not soft. They only get soft at high temperatures, which is what they're designed for. Cost difference is about $30 between the two tires.

@joshpinchuk7061

6 жыл бұрын

Jason, i think the respondent here was saying the winter tires you used may not have been a high performance variant of winter tire. I assume you did pick a high performance winter tire, correct? Regardless, your surprising results give me great confidence to use any vehicle with summer tires in cold, nevertheless dry, conditions. An interesting test for me would be effect of vtec on mpg. So driving the s2k at say 65 mph in 6 gear, vs a lower gear where vtec has engaged at that speed. IE does vtec garner any efficiency gains? Perhaps the s2k, with its stratospheric redline and vtec engagement point, is not a good benchmark vs say something like an accord v6 w vtec. Additionally, any idea why honda never used its ivtec (2 cam profiles i believe) system in the s2k? Is it only because that system came out 3 or so years after the s2k's release?

@SnowmanTF2

6 жыл бұрын

Eh, it seems like most summer tires would be high performance, since if you did not care about performance you would probably just get all year tires

@joshpinchuk7061

6 жыл бұрын

SnowmanTF2 the question is, were the winter tires used of a high performance variant? Maybe you have not shopped for performance tires before, but there is a large selection and gradation. From all season upto ultra high performance for each snow and summer conditions, respectively.

@stinky817

6 жыл бұрын

It looks like the tires he used were the Bridgestone blizzak ws80. One of the highest rated studless snow tires.

I wouldn't say living in socal is a perk since we don't have to buy another set of tires. Everything is expensive here

@theblandyproject6761

6 жыл бұрын

GTR Wendy bro I moved here from Ohio and whenever I go home on leave I’m always shocked by the price differences of everything between the two

@isaac1288im

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. High 60s in the IE

@joshuawebb3337

6 жыл бұрын

It’s more expensive at first but owning two sets of tires long term isn’t much different. Because each set is only taking wear half of the year. So it’s like have one set that needs replacing in 60k miles or two sets that goes 120k miles

@bobhope4288

6 жыл бұрын

Not having to buy winter tires is not a perk. Driving on summer tires all year around, that's a perk. :)

@jebbush8491

6 жыл бұрын

You also don't have deal with salt rotting your car, having to brush your car

Awesome video! The results don't surprise me, but good to confirm. The character difference between summer and winter tires is amazing. Last year I drove all winter (in MN) on my summer tires and it was an adventure. This year I put winter tires on and hated them at first (turning response and braking were UGH!), and then the first snowfall happened and I wasn't just drifting everywhere. Now I'm obviously loving my winter tires haha. I apologize but I'm going to be the "actually" dude about an obscure/useless detail. Glass Transition Temperature is a property of all polymers, which includes rubber.

very interesting and useful video. Thanks.

This is a comparison of a Max performance summer vs a regular winter tire. Why not compare a Max Performance Summer to a Performance Winter?

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

These are very good, highly rated winter tires, not cheap ones.

@ProjectExMachina

6 жыл бұрын

They are not cheap because they are durable. High performing winter tire have life expectancy of 30k KM. Those used in test - 60k KM.

@car_ventures

6 жыл бұрын

But still, those winter tyres are being compared to a sports compound tyre. A sports compound tyre will perform better than an expensive summer premium tyre i.e. Michellin, Pirelli etc. Most people will have a regular summer tyre (premium / mid range / cheap) so the comparison really only makes sense when made against a regular summer tyre.

@miata1370

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, very true but....the xIce is not Michelin's performance winter tire..just saying. That would be their Pilot Alpin series of winter tires.

@r6201sk

6 жыл бұрын

and different size, width ... not a good test .. everyone who drives for few years has its idea if it makes sense to have winter tyres .. I can feel difference between premium summer tyres and average winter tyres pretty well .. on dry, wet or snow even above 0 deg (in favour of winter tyres) ... specialy on cobble stone roads in cities .. well and for me it is easy ..I`m obligated by law to have winter tyres during winter if temp drops bellow 4 deg.

so close to #1.5M FrendsCircle

Thanks for another great video. I'd really love to see a 3 way comparison like this with all season tires compared also (I know that's resource intensive). I don't believe that the tire width changing on the rear would affect the ABS. ABS is a reactionary system, it senses when a wheel locks up and then works its magic. Until the wheel locks up ABS is doing nothing. The only change the tire width would have is slightly reducing available grip, like you mentioned.

YES! YES YOU DO!!!! I live in Canada and they make a massive difference, and even more so with studs.

Cool test, the results surprised me. Curious about the results of the same test at -15 C though.

Just curious: if the summer tires have a smaller outer diameter, would'nt the speed reading be off ? (your speedometer shows 65 mph but you are actually going slower due to smaller perimeter of the wheel)? My understanding is that the speedometer reads the rpm at the wheel. great test !

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Very small difference in what the speedo reads (less than 1%) between tires. Either way, all of the distances are measured using GPS, so what the speedo reads doesn’t impact testing.

@rei_cirith

6 жыл бұрын

Is your speed measured by gps? If it isn't, don't you start stopping at (slightly) different speeds b/w the tires?

I'm glad to find out that summer tires are best for dry ground. I've been looking for tires recently and it seems that nobody sells 195/45r14 tires nor can I find tires that are 20.91" in diameter. Bigger tires would fit but then mess up my speedometer which is mechanically driven (not easy to adjust). Glad to know I can still use summer tires.

Thank you.

*METRIC!*

@JoelinoPT

6 жыл бұрын

Of course. It's the perfect system.

do a brake test in snow and ice next and compare xD i know for a fact that summer tires on snow and ice is a terrible idea, but im curious to see just how terrible it is haha

@suiton20

6 жыл бұрын

Mogatroll EU I guess all he has to do is find a frozen lake that will support the weight of his car and he’s good 😜

@thatsubieguy2233

6 жыл бұрын

I tried summer tires vs studded winter tires on ice. Basically no traction at all when accelerating or turning with summer tires, and I tested braking from 20mph to zero and with those summer tires, the abs did nothing. Tires locked up stright away, so the car slided to the direction the road was angled. It took probably like 60ft or so for the car to fully stop. With winter tires the car basically felt almost like if you were driving at summer. Took maybe like 32ft if that to fully stop from 20mph and the car went straight without any steering corrections. I'm not sure if I remember those distances correctly, but to sum up, the difference with those tires was really huge. It stopped many times faster with the studded winters.

@Animosus08

6 жыл бұрын

ThatSubieGuy yeah I tried the same thing but with unstudded vs studded winter tires, and the difference is huge on ice, but on snow it's not that big... I haven't tried summer tires on ice yet though 😅

@thatsubieguy2233

6 жыл бұрын

Mogatroll EU I can imagine that lol. I've never even had unstudded winters because I wouldn't trust them on ice, and we got lots of ice here in Finland. Some roads can even be like "mirror ice" (like we call it) with water or fresh snow on it and that's a nightmare even with studded tires 😅

@Animosus08

6 жыл бұрын

ThatSubieGuy i live in central Sweden (Dalarna) and we get the same icy roads here.. but I bought my car in Gothenburg in southern Sweden, and it came with unstudded tires, so I figured I'd try them out before buying new, studded ones :P

Great test!

You always have very useful information. Thank you!

Did I miss something or was the speedometer reading 65mph at the start of the 60 to 0 test?

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

diffieq you did not miss anything. I explained this in the video. Test starts at 65 mph, I measure distance from 60-0 mph. That eliminates any time it takes for me slamming the brakes in the 65-60 mph range.

@diffieq

6 жыл бұрын

Engineering Explained ... yep, 1:33 .... I missed the explanation. The consideration you give to minimizing variables is appreciated.

Can you do the same test but on fresh untouched soft snow? Winter tires would stop better right?

@thatsubieguy2233

6 жыл бұрын

Much better

@FranticSloth420

6 жыл бұрын

Guitarfollower22 ummmm no, nobody is going to slam on their brakes in the snow...

@EUC-lid

6 жыл бұрын

How else are you going to test traction? Slam them on at low speed.. as long as you're on a fairly flat, uncrowned roadway you're just going to engage the ABS.. you might lock the wheels up and slide.. at which point you'll slide to a stop since you're on a flat road. It's ice, not eggshells.. go try stuff somewhere safe.

@scottrider8445

6 жыл бұрын

Of course they're going to stop better? Did you even watch the video? He clearly states that obviously the snow tires are going to perform better in snow based on the superior snow tread pattern/rubber compound. The point he's trying to prove is that snow tires also perform better because they do not freeze up and become hard and lose grip in the cold like a all-season or summer tire would.

Excellent video, exactly what I was looking for

Hey Jason, i have an idea for the next video. Could you please explain what destroke means and what pros and cons it brings ? Thanks pal, I always learn from your videos.

Do it when there is snow on the ground

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Would like to do this! Just need it to be close to my house, it's quite dangerous to drive on snow in summer tires.

@mcplutt

6 жыл бұрын

Here in Norway, driving with summer tires on snow will get you into big trouble with the police :-) At least if it is in the middle of winter season.

Below zero you def want winter tires even if there is no snow outside. I as a scandinavian think its not even a question if you need it or not. Americans do crash a lot in the winter, I wonder why...

@JoelinoPT

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers from Switzerland. You are absolutely right... When temperatures here are starting do getting often close to 0ºC I put winter tires immediately (which is in the first week of November +/-). Where I live we have frequently more than 70cm of snow and temperatures are mostly around -5ºC and -10ºC. Running with summer tires where in Winter is VERY dangerous and almost suicidal. Assurances don't pay anything in case of accident (even if you are the victim) if you have summer tires and you can even be in jail if you kill or badly hurt someone because of it. We are even discussing the possibility of the obligation of Winter tires In Winter for EVERYONE (even tourists with foreign plates). I see SO MANY crazy french and Italian people enter Switzerland with summer tires in Winter with ice and snow...

@fredbrochu8322

6 жыл бұрын

Chris S, As a Canadian, I totally agree with you, winter tire is a no-brainer during winter.

@ProjectExMachina

6 жыл бұрын

It was autumn 10 years ago... Skoda had summer tires. First temperature drop in season. Not even zero. Also rain. Did I mention that Skoda had summer tires? In a ditch on a roof. Granted, I was speeding. Later, I tested same curve with winter tires in similiar conditions. No crash.

Yes!! Specially if you have nice summer rims and performance tires!!

I loooove winter tires! I daily a 2013 mustang GT in New England winters and have Michelin X-ice3 245/45R19's and for anyone who say's a mustang cannot drive in the snow is hilariously ignorant, I have never been stuck even in 6 inches of snow, for years now. These tires are amazing!

@Tonyx.yt.

6 жыл бұрын

ignorant people are people that believe in the 4 season tire bullshits that are good in every condition... on the snow and ice a 2wd car with winter tires is far better than awd with 4 season tires

Speaking as a Canadian living in Saskatchewan and Alberta all my life, thought snow tires were for pussies who couldn’t drive. Finally broke down one year and bought a set Now all my cars have winter tires lol

@joiion913

6 жыл бұрын

Kristopher Klassen you probably drive a 4x4 or awd, because there's no way a measly front wheel drive with all season tires is getting you through a Canadian winter properly. And by properly I mean, driving normal. I've got a little beater Corolla 5 speed manual with winter tires and I breeze past everyone here in Ontario. And the snow we get here isn't really that serious

@Welcometofacsistube

6 жыл бұрын

joiion913 while I do have a couple 4x4’s, my dailies are a fwd and an old Córdoba. For 20 Year’s I drove just fine with all seasons. Winter tires just make it that much easier

@joiion913

6 жыл бұрын

Kristopher Klassen easier is best, I've only been driving 5 years now, but no accidents ever, and I don't have to drive like a grandma during winter. A few hundred bucks is nothing for the convenience of driving how I want

@jaminjef

5 жыл бұрын

@@Welcometofacsistube and safer!

@ceoyoyo

5 жыл бұрын

I grew up in northern Alberta. Winter tires are certainly nice, unless you're from a nice warm place, get your tires changed out, and happen tho think the winters are magic.... I had a roommate in college from France who got winter tires put on her Mazda. I went with her to pick it up from the shop and the first thing she did was accelerate then yank the hand brake to "test them". When we stopped doing 360s I got out and walked home. AWD/4x4 is even worse. People hop in, notice it's icy, turn on the 4x4 and forget that everyone has four wheel brakes.

This test doesn't include ice Roads can be icy without snow as well and there the winter studs will excel

@mcplutt

6 жыл бұрын

Even studless will excel, because the summer tires will get you killed.

Thanks for doing the test. I've always wondered about this but didn't bother to look it up.

Thanks so much. I really didn't know this.

I'm surprised by the result and sorry to say but as an engineer I'm dissapointed by your research methods. 1. Another width of winter tires could affect the stability of the vehicle and extend the braking distance. (What about tire pressure, was it the same?) 2. The ambient temperature was probably too high to cool the summer tires below the glass transition temperature so you showed us only that in dry conditions around 0C summer tires are better than winter ones, which is quite obvious. 3. The test took place on different days which completely crossed it out as reliable, other humidity of the asphalt surface could give completely different results. You should do the test on the same day in a short time. I know it's just YT channel, not a lab but this test can't be taken seriously. Choices of your vievers inspired by this test may be fatal, please think about it.

@napoleontheclown

6 жыл бұрын

SStaszko Didn't he say that the rears were the same diameter as the fronts, too? I would think ABS is calibrated expecting a certain ratio. I know ABS disables on my car with the spare tire. Much more extreme diameter difference there, sure. But the idea remains: might the rears turning faster make the ABS "think" there's more slip than is actually taking place?

@josdebosduif1

5 жыл бұрын

In Belgium general opinion is that winter tires are better below 7° C, so for me it isn't obvious that summer tires perform better at 0°C as stated in this video. I recently changed to winter tires, howerever it may only snow about 5 times a winter for a couple of days. I'm thinking about running all seasons in winter for this reason: better performance in dry conditions, yet not completely useless in snow.

@corporaal1

4 жыл бұрын

Starting your comment with claiming you’re some kind of expert on the internet invalidates everything you are about to say. 1. Rewatch the video 2. No not 0C, it was freezing Rewatch the video. 3. Rewatch the video; Jason checked for the most important conditions like wind and temperature. And what makes you think that air humidity affects contact grip between rubber/asphalt? Any sources? “i know its just a yt video not a lab test” A lab test? Can you be any more vague? Did you even watch the video?

Short answer: no. Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooo.

@tuukkasivonen4533

6 жыл бұрын

SubZero but you need them if its freezing

@qpSubZeroqp

6 жыл бұрын

TT04 agreed

@CrazyPanda688

6 жыл бұрын

TT04 no you don’t. I’ve gone to work multiple times with summer tyres on during freezing temps. That’s in a RWD 2 seater sports car with no ABS or traction control People love to over exaggerate stuff

@sleeper.simulant7327

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Kent drive in the snow with summers then switch to winters and get back to me. I live where it’s snowy 6 months of the year and have Pilot Super Sports on my summers and Michelin Ice X tires for winters. It’s a absolute night and day difference, the control is so much better, on dirt as well. Dry pavement they are obviously worse, but they have deep soft tread so they obviously handle like crap on dry conditions

@CrazyPanda688

6 жыл бұрын

Driveitsideways 1 I'm not doubting that they're better in the snow compared to summers.. thats obvious The title of the video is "do you need winter tyres if it doesn't snow". Well no you don't. Summers handle freezing temperatures no problem whatsoever. There isn't a night and day difference when it isn't snowing

wow I did not expect that. Thanks!

Thanks for this video. Really good timing as I'm about to take a road trip to North Carolina from Florida with my summer tires. I was a little worried, since it's been a while since I've done any cold weather driving with summer tires.

E=mc^2

@KKolos100

6 жыл бұрын

not accurate!

@KKolos100

6 жыл бұрын

E=mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

Waht a question is this of course you need winter tires

@comeondown

6 жыл бұрын

Deniz Akgün Even at 26F, they significantly increased 60-0 braking distance vs summer tires. Watch the vid.

@EngineeringExplained

6 жыл бұрын

Even if the roads are dry? That's the question this video seeks to answer. Of course winter tires will do better in the snow.

@vincentlacoursiere9607

6 жыл бұрын

They perform worse than high quality Summer tire, but it what about cheap/regular tires? In your "Why you should never buy cheap tires" the cheap tires brake in 140 feet while your performance tire stop in 110 feet. So performance tires loses 17 feet of braking distance due to cold weather, how about cheap/regular tires? Also, it would be interesting to see how badly Winter tire fare during the Summer.

@revengefullobster4524

6 жыл бұрын

How about cold and wet? I would wonder if there is any advantage of winter tires in the wet vs the standard "all weather" performance tires, I know my Bridgestones seem to suck in the wet. I 've heard that high performance tires (like P Zeros.) are pretty bad in the wet as well.

@JMNTN

6 жыл бұрын

In countries where it snows only a few times a year you really don't need it

Good timing on this video. I'm going though the same consideration since the first day of winter is here. I concluded that it's better to use summer tires in dry winter conditions especially if you have a mild winter in your area. Winter tires handle poorly when it gets 45F+ (common during winter in many areas) and aren't that good in rain. Mushy handling would be a deal killer for a sports car. They're heavier and softer so have more rolling resistance making stopping distance longer and acceleration worse unless you're on snow/ice or cold wet roads. They used to be called 'snow' tires, but now manufacturers are pushing for them to be for 'cold temperatures' as well, however they typically focus on how they good they're on wet (not dry) winter roads.

Great video. It would be interesting to see how the tires perform on a cold wet road, slightly above freezing.

Very informative, thank you!

Thanks for that, really interesting test.

thanks so much for these videos.

This legend always answering the real questions!

A few weeks ago we had a winter storm here in Charlotte, and I got stuck driving home in it because I didn't leave work early enough. I'm on Pirelli P7s (the summer version, not the more common All-Season version), and they were SKETCHY on the icy roads. I couldn't even go up a hill in my FRS unless I had a running start at it. When I said something on FB, I got chewed out by a few other car friends for not having a dedicated set of winter tires. "It almost never snows here, and normally I just stay home if it has"..... but it was argued that anywhere it gets below 50F in the winter, people should be on dedicated Winter Tires because they're just magic even if it's NOT snowy/icy. So thank you for this. I really do appreciate it. I'll stick with driving around on my regular tires all year, throwing on the RE71Rs for AutoX, and just leave the car parked when the weather turns bad those 2 days per year.

Thank you for the test! Just bought a new set of winter tyres and observed that the braking and cornering is very bad even at 0 or -1 celsius. I tought that the tyre manufacture was the fault (not premium), but i'm glad to see that it's the normal behavior.

@MasoradSK

6 жыл бұрын

If you compare lousy winter tires (probably narrower) with good summer tires in dry conditions, your summer tires will always win. Try wet or damp conditions and you'll see the difference instantly.... not talking about snow. That would be even bigger difference.

@ovidiu9412

6 жыл бұрын

Same size for summer and winter but even in wet the summer tire is better.

Good info! I haven't had to change to winter tires on my Suby (yet) because we haven't gotten enough snow to scare me. I do know that when we get even a light dusting, all bets are off. Not even Subaru's vaunted symmetrical AWD and traction control can save you if all your wheels are sliding and you have no traction to control!

@gravityhammer25

6 жыл бұрын

If you can do change your tires on the WRX! The Dunlops are generally ok on cold dry roads, cold and rainy ok i guess... it is possible to make them slide for a second on hard acceleration. Light snow they are definitely a no go.... I know from experience. I made it safely through light snow with my STI on Summer Tires... BARELY. Probably the worst driving experience of my life and the worst decision I ever made.... a week or so later (just now) I got UHP All Season BFG's installed on the car. Not about to go through that again. I'm not going with dedicated Winter Tires... it doesn't snow that badly... and for the most part I only drive in snow when I have to... but when it does the All Season will do just fine. I really only made it on the Summers because I was following the tracks from other cars... still was very sketchy.... I had to stay in 2nd gear really... 25mph... any gear above that the car felt outta control. Starting at one intersection with the wheel straight it wanted to go sideways I was able to power out of it though. Traction control did nothing for sure. The most dangerous part is braking... I knew this left myself plenty of room and mostly engine braked to slow the car down. Once the car really starts sliding bad there is a point of no return and I had to keep the car out of that point. I'm not happy with Subaru for selling the WRX's with Summer Tires and not a UHP All Season which could have given equal or slightly less handling performance. So many WRX's have probably been lost to this sort of thing.

Great video. Would love to see the same tests in the wet to see if there is much difference there.