Find out about pioneering American Scot John Witherspoon here kzread.info/dash/bejne/qIp1k8Onhq-6eMY.html

@shooterm2534

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Bruce I am a Murray and believed I was of the clan Murray. But since digging deeper into my family tree and going back as far as I could (late 1700's ) in Dornoch/ Rogart I realized my Family were highly likely apart of the Sutherland Murray's (Murray of Aberscross)hence part of the Sutherland Clan. I do know some history and wont go into it here in the comments (fled from English deeper north to older Murray family relations Sutherland), but would it be worth doing a video on!! Or maybe you could help me out. Thanks for the great history

@pamplemouse5

Жыл бұрын

Soz mate. I'd rather get pished in *Wetherspoon's than hear of its misbegotten phonetically similar

Lachlan was only half of the team. His wife was well before her time and played a big behind the scenes role in the development of Sydney and NSW. They were both uncelebrated figures in the Scottish enlightenment. More on his wife would be good!

@beth7935

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I don't know about Macquarie's wife, but I have a brilliant book on the wives & mistresses of early governors of VDL (Tassie), called "Obliged to Submit", by Alison Alexander, & it's absolutely fascinating :)

@danpictish5457

2 жыл бұрын

She was brilliant and went everywhere with him and on horseback!

@CailenCambeul

Жыл бұрын

Elizabeth Campbell.

As an Aussie who now lives in Scotland it was great to see such a great piece about my former home (Thank you so much!), I look forward to learning more about my new home here in the Highlands

How is Bruce not doing history on TV. He'll definitely be a big hit.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

I'm too smutty by far

He definitely had a big impact on colonial Australia, and is probably mainly responsible for the popularity of the name Lachlan even today - hell, that's my eldest's name. And a great perspective on first Australians too - still an unresolved issue with a legacy we are dealing with and trying to move forward together on today.

That name is simultaneously the most Scottish and Australian name I’ve ever heard.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@andrewdrummond8576

2 жыл бұрын

Took a trip from Cairns to Green Island a few years ago. There were three Lachlans working on the boat.

Here is a piece of trivia. The first time Bligh and Macquarie met was not in NSW in 2010. In 1788 Macquarie was posted to India. The ship on which he was travelling stopped in Cape Town for about a month. Anchored in the harbour was a ship called the Bounty. In at least one occasion the captain of Macquarie’s ship invited the captain of the Bounty for dinner. Macquarie writes about it in journal. Although Bligh and he would have met Macquarie does not have too much to say, if anything, about Bligh. He more interested in a scientist travelling with Bligh. But I still find it fascinating they met, given how their stories were to intertwine 20 years later

Once again you’ve produced an excellent video that provides food for thought. MacQuarie, like the American Founders wasn’t a demigod. A true history, like the one you presented, discloses his strengths and failings. That’s a much better teaching tool for all of us.,

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Gerard

Thank you for that incredible part of Scottish and Australian history and the very wise words at the end.

Well, you might as well go for the whole trifecta and talk about how a Scot (Sir John A MacDonald) was instrumental in forming modern Canada.

Damn this is on of the best videos I’ve ever seen thank the recommended section for telling me about this hidden gem keep up the good work bràthair

@melvynblunt

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, one of the best

An interesting bit of trivia to add to this, one of the major figures of the early colony was also a Scot and also a military man, George Johnston. He was a major player in the colony in two major revolts: The Castle Hill Rebellion and the Rum Rebellion (In which the legend goes he dragged Bligh out from under his bed).

there is also MacQuarie Harbour in Tasmania named for him. It was the location of the Sarah Island Penal Station which was one of the harshest in the country.

As an Australian of Scottish heritage thank you for this video. There is even a University named after him (and a shopping center). One other significant Australian of Scottish heritage (though not as significant as Lachlan MacQuarie) was a now former Prime Minster Malcolm Fraser.

Very interesting history lesson . Growing up In Australia in the 70's and 80's this was not taught in school

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

So many Scottish stories aren't taught in our schools either

@A_nony_mous

Жыл бұрын

Where did you go to school? I was taught Aus history in the 1970s in Victoria.

@saxonknivesaustralia

Жыл бұрын

@A nony mous Queensland in the 80's we did Aus History but never learned this

As always Bruce, your mix of history with both comedy and sober reality is wonderful. Thank you for bringing this great man to our attention! I will never look at Australian history the same now. Here in the States we're taught that it was all bad and vile. Not surprised that it was a Scotsman who brought both order and equality to the land. Thanks!

Thank you, fantastic facts! I have a Scots background and have a great respect for Gov Lachlan Macquarie, even though one of my relatives was John McArthur - his city planning in Sydney is extraordinarily effective! Macquarie Street, and most of the original buildings are still the same! Autocracy is not acceptable, we all have free minds! Each person can and should make a difference! 👍

I travelled across Australia by train once and was surprised that I had to change train because not all parts of Oz use the same gauge! Turns out the railway in one part was built by a Scottish engineer, an Irish engineer and an English engineer in others and they all used the same gauge as at home! Also while in Australia I worried about the descendants of the wardens, not the ones of the convicts! ;)

@davidsutherland4280

2 жыл бұрын

It’s all good now mate. All one gauge.

@gustavmeyrink_2.0

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidsutherland4280 good to know. The tracks at one border looked interesting but confusing.

Back in those days NSW was more than 50% of Australia and the whole of New Zealand, a lot of land in total.

@hlund73

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, the inclusion of NZ makes the name make more sense. I'd always assumed it was named for the coal, but they'd have had to have found it first!

We humans are complicated critters. However, kindness and empathy and compassion for the human condition goes a long way regardless of what day it is.

Love your videos big fella👍🏿👍🏾👍 From Australia!!

This was a great bit of history man!!!! I loved this video! I just really love listening to you!!!! I have learned so much watching your videos! Keep them comin!!! You are fantastic!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

A good song to listen to is Port MacQuarie , and a good book to read is A Commonwealth of thieves , another good vid !

Great video from a Scot living in Toronto, Lake Macquarie, New South Wales.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

In the town I grew up in in Australia there was a few places named after him like Macquarie pass and Macquarie rivulet and then you have the town of Port Macquarie and Lake Macquarie.

Bruce, another great story, and showing a new to me part of Scotland. Thanks

Well done. I really in joyed your closing thoughts. Remember gray matters!

I just love your stories .And we will never learn from history we all think we know better

Great story, and even greater points you raised. Excellent-

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly

I'm an Aussie and I grew up in a small town called Armidale in the northern tablelands, it was founded by a scot as was Glen innes, not far from my hometown. There are still pipe bands and celtic festivals today. Brisbane, Perth, Port Macquarie and many more places are named after scottish places or settlers. New Zealand city Dunedin was founded by the scottish Church. I feel scotland had a massive impact on the Australian and New Zealand culture that can still be felt today. Many Aussies like myself have scottish heritage, and the bag pipes remind me of home, as I used to watch the pipe bands as a kid. Much love for the land of the brave 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I'm planning to go to Australia and New Zealand Feb-May nextyear to make some videos about Scots in Australia. Feel free to send any stories to info@scotlandhistorytours,co.uk

@bennym1326

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours that sounds awesome mate! Can't wait! Will do 👍🏻

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that was www.scotlandhistorytours.co.uk So any story suggestions or must see places. Also I'd be looking to do some live shows, so any ideas on that direction would also be welcome

The telling of this story is brilliant.... love the bit about the emancipist magistrate.

What an awesome, thoughtful, commentary. Thank you for all you do Bruce

I lived and worked in Australia (Perth) I'm a Scottish man. I was treated very poorly there. They'd either call me "Jock" or that "Pommie bastard". I know it was just a few people but it put me off Australia for life. I am a very polite man (My parents taught me manners.) But those Australians I worked with were very rude to me. They even brought me to tears, when they left me in the middle of a city that I didn't know with no money and no idea where I was. I eventuality met a very nice Australian woman who asked If I was okay. She took me to her home and called the Police. The two kind Police officers drove me back to where I was living. The very next day the "ringleader" came up to me and told me "It was a joke, mate" I told him that it would be better for him if he walked away from me. I quit my job (As a nurse) Immediately after. I'm not an idiot. I know that all Australians are not the same. But I worked in medical care (I even, most likely saved more than a few lives) and all the staff still there treated me like shit. I also lived and worked in Germany. I was treated much better there.

@beth7935

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry people were so horrible to you in my country! :( I've never come across anti-Scottish or anti-English racism where I live (Tassie), but we have other kinds of racism, & I understand why the nastiness you copped put you off Australia :( I don't suppose bullying excused by "it was just a joke!" is uniquely Australian, but it's certainly one of my least-favourite things.

@SnoopReddogg

2 жыл бұрын

Pipe down, ya pommy whinger

@SnoopReddogg

2 жыл бұрын

I was being ironic... but seriously, I don't think you got how Australians think. They were testing you. First step is they were talking to you, after that they poke you and then they embrace.

@Marikioable

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnoopReddogg I was asked to go to Australia. I was a high professional nurse . I considered Canada but It seemed like Australia wanted me more. They offered me more money and were even willing to pay for where I'd choose to live. They even promised to pay for my flight from Scotland to Australia. (they didn't) I didn't make them spend money on me. I stayed with my aunt who has been an Australian for over 50 years. The Australians I worked with didn't "poke" me. They were horrid. They chose not to "embrace" me. I am a polite man. But I honestly wanted to punch some teeth out. Am I being "ironic"? You told me to "pipe down, ya pommy whinger" Do not speak to me like that. You can hide behind your user name. But there is no need to be so rude to me. I'm not being "ironic"

@Marikioable

2 жыл бұрын

@@beth7935 No Bother Beth. I know that not all Australians are the same. I met many wonderful people in your beautiful country. It was just unfortunate to meet and work with a few of the bad ones. The woman who took me to her home and called the police for me. I still talk with her online now. I consider her a friend. The two Police officers that took me "home" I still talk online to both of them. I appreciated their kindness. Perth, Australia is a beautiful place. I'm not going to say it was all bad. It was really the most lonely I have ever felt. I can't and won't lie about that. But for the most part, Australians were very polite to me. It was just a few rotten eggs that put me of.

Learned new facts again. Loved the very end bit Mr Bruce. Your show is just wonderful.

Yet again a cracking tale. Passed the link onto a dear friend in Cornwall who is descended from the McLeans of Mull. Hopefully a new subscriber.... vaguely recall a BBC drama a few years back based on the first settlers in New South Wales and the convict camps.

@weescotsman17

2 жыл бұрын

And passed it on to another pal in Oz who replied....Macquarie is the name used on all the high end property development here - here is Brisbane btw - it's also the name of the most successful merchant bank.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I'll be coming to Brisbane to do a live show on 30th March. Here's the link to tickets. Please spread the word www.eventbrite.com.au/e/bruce-fummey-stories-of-scotland-tickets-483604192157?aff=erelexpmlt

Tapadh leibh, Bruce. I knew you would deliver this Aussie one. Tha mi an dorcas gum bi latha math leibh!

Love this channel. Great video.

Great video Bruce. I think the thing about emancipists is that while we now think of them as victims of an unfair and uncaring political and economic system, who only stole a loaf of bread to feed their starving children, at the time they were just thought of as criminals. There would have been some fear involved too when the majority of people in a colony months away from the rest of the British Empire were criminals or ex-criminals. While most convicts/emancipists would have been normal people, there would also have been some career crims who were genuinely frightening. Even today, we still expect people who obey the law to be treated better than those that don't. There would be the same outcry now if a person with a history of burglary, assault, rape or tax/welfare fraud were appointed to a legal position or celebrated at government functions.

Good to see you on the West Coast; and when you're there next, you can have a look at McQuarrie's successor, who also came from the Best Coast (and my old home toon)

I like to think that I have a good command of the English language but you put your points over so eloquently. Great job, Bruce 🌞

@ScotlandHistoryTours

11 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks

Really enjoying these Saturday morning episodes Bruce. Brilliant topic again thanks! Steve

One of my ancestors was on the first fleet, and believed to be one of the first ordered off the boats to clear land for camp.....he was held in high esteem, even for his convict status, due to him being educated. He died a NSW constable - among the first of the new police force, but died on duty whilst investigating illegal rum sales....so he was also the first NSW police officer to die whilst on duty. I believe he would have met Macquarie.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure he would. Quite a heritage

Again, didn’t know! And another great presentation Bruce!

Another brilliant video - thanks! I've known of the 'holey dollar and dump' for years, but not how they came about.

Another great story, you have made history exciting by showing the country along with its tales.

Another great one Bruce! I like seeing these videos on Scots in early Australia and Canada.

Good one Bruce. Good yarn about Macquarie.

Well thought out, well presented & well said.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thankyou for the way you present the history of Scotland. It's been getting me through my broken leg rehab. And the camera work is awesome too.i guess time to buy the camera person a coffee!

Another grand snippet. Cheers...Freddie

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

Good one

Another informative and fun video

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Well done on quite a complex topic and person. His "management" of relationships with the indigenous peoples was not without controversy, however he did attempt to communicate that, under his (if not his successors) governorship, every free person was equal under the law. He tried to get this concept across through pictures showing murders being hanged in the cases of both soldier and aboriginal. The realities were very different, but for the day this aspiration was very enlightened. As for the 26th of January, a growing number of non-indigenous as well as the original inhabitants consider it "Invasion Day". This is not to say that we Aussies shouldn't have a national day, it's just that celebration of this day is totally insensitive to the death and disaster that befell the Aboriginal People from that day forward. Thanks again for your very entertaining and informative vids

I saw this one on the Patreon. As always, I love it. Keep em coming Bruce!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

One of the first Scots of note that came to Australia would have been Robert Brown, the botanist born in Montrose. He was recommended by Joseph Banks and came out on the second fleet. My wife has included him on her album Changing Hemispheres. There are 10 songs written about Scots coming to Australia. gracereid.com.au/jupiter-botanicus-song/

Yay! Lachlan Macquarie! Australia! 🇦🇺🐨🦘 I’m a happy descendant from Irish rabble sent here at his Majesty’s pleasure. Good move His Maj.😁😁😁 Mrs Macquarie’s Chair is a stunning historical marker in the center of Sydney, a large stone slab carved by convicts into a bench for Lachlan Macquarie’s wife. It’s still there and available for everyone. “koala bears amongst the dingos” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

recently finished my degree at that very conservatorium of music. very cool to be more aware of its history.

@danpictish5457

2 жыл бұрын

I also have a Degree from the "Con" in Music but we were told when there that the building was originally the stables for the Governor's House. Love the History show!

Maybe some of the other Scots who established businesses in New South Wales would be of interest. Try William A Arnott (Married to Maria (Known as Monica in the family) who established "Arnott's Biscuits" in Newcastle. His daughter Euphemia (Known as "Effie") Married into my maternal family of Winn who established mercantile stores. Then there's William Hamilton, Married to Maria Burguss, who came to Australia, his daughter was one of my maternal great grandmother's. That's my connection back to Scotland.😎

Another great video

@ScotlandHistoryTours

8 ай бұрын

Thanks again!

Definitely amongst the finest human beings to have walked this earth - Let alone amongst the finest of Scots Embodying much of what many aspire to be - pragmatic, forgiving and resolute and willing to speak truth to power We'll chosen

@jameslochridge4265

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you're an Aboriginal Australian.

@danpictish5457

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameslochridge4265 He actually stood up for the Aborigines and would court martial any soldier who abused them.

@VanillaMacaron551

2 жыл бұрын

@@danpictish5457 apparently you haven't read the order he gave about how Aborigines should be treated

@davidmcdonald3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanillaMacaron551 mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-27/fact-check-did-lachlan-macquarie-commit-mass-murder-and-genocide/8981092?nw=0 By modern standards, that's abhorrent By the standards of the day though, that's quite generous And we also don't know how the actions of his men were reported to him So, his reporting the events in a positive light might simply be those of a good commander supporting those beneath him

History is meant to remember and learn from. History forgotten will be repeated. Insanity doing the same thing over and over to get a different result. Therefore, not learning from history is crazy.

A stark reminder that many, many Scots played a very large part in the good & bad of the British Empire. Something the ‘hard of thinking’ Scottish Nationalists should be reminded of - when they blame everything on the English!! Us Brits gave the Modern World so much, good & bad. Simple, we learn our history, to ensure it doesn’t repeat itself. Thanks Bruce & a great point about the Piecost. Scottish, British & Proud 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

I (Billy Cullen with silly Gmail id ) LOVE this guy! A true educator! Incredible! More power to you Bruce!

What an awesome vid. Well done Bruce. Even nicely encapsulating the Aboriginals point of view. NSW & The Commonwealth of Australia owe much to Lachlan. The rum corps is a such an interesting point. The former Prime minister (of Syraya) Malcolm Bligh had Bligh as a family middle name @

Hey, I got an official "thanks" callout! You're awesome and I'm happy to help out. Keep up the amazing work and hopefully some day I'll be able to buy you a tea in person. (shame you weren't doing tours last time I was over, but that was also 20+ years ago)

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Aye I've been sacked fae a few jobs in those 20 years

@charlesgru8978

2 жыл бұрын

I've managed two whole career changes since then, though you may still have me beat. Hopefully we're both in a place (job wise) we're happy with now.

Thanks!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

9 ай бұрын

Thank YOU

Excellent again 💚☘️✌

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

The Scots have had a hand in many atrocities throughout the world MacQuarie was one. Another was Angus MacMillan, check out the book Thicker than Water written by Cal Flyn. Funnily enough, Angus was from Skye too!

@PredatorUpHill

2 жыл бұрын

Though many of them are Styros, not actual real Scots that were natively born and reared in Scotland, though those two in particular were. Scotland effectively ran the empire it's said, Scotland was the smartest place on earth at the time after the clearances and offloading the reiver outlaws from the border, and itself became the workshop of empire and produced the finest rolling stock anywhere in the world, Scottish built.

Fantastic video and a great channel. For some reason MacQuarie wasn't a big part of our history lessons growing up - perhaps people in the now state of NSW heard more about him. Would you consider doing a video of another Scotsman, Thomas Brisbane, who succeeded MacQuarie and after which the city was named?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

He has crossed my mind.

Check out John Stuart Scottish explorer in Australia. I read his biography & wow what an incredible man! He was so shafted by the authorities it was disgusting. The Stuart Highway running through the inland of Australia is named after him 😊

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Will do

@eofolk7754

2 жыл бұрын

Seconded. A legend...

Another enjoyable story Bruce, and as usual on the ball social commentary. As an amateur astronomer I was hoping to hear a wee mention of Sir Thomas Makdougall Brisbane. There might be a another good story in that too? I'm still trying to remember where it was that a friend of mine took me to look at the ruins of his *first* observatory (in Scotland, I guess probably Largs). It was still there back in the 1980's as a kind of ruined gazebo feature in the grounds of a big house.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

I'll add it to the list

@amp2amp800

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours LOL!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you live there, but I'll be coming to Brisbane to do a live show on 30th March. Here's the link to tickets. Please spread the word www.eventbrite.com.au/e/bruce-fummey-stories-of-scotland-tickets-483604192157?aff=erelexpmlt

The “official” Australian English dictionary is named after a Scotsman….🤔

I would like you to do a video on the Scottish planters, any chance ?.great video's big man !!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Everything's possible, but it all takes time. Every day there are multiple requests. I'll never get round to them all, but I'll put this in the pile

Awesome videos mate. If you could do one about James V, one of the least known and most tragic Scottish Kings there ever was. Him and Clan Armstrong is an interesting story.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

😂 I'm actually going down to the Borders at the weekend to do just that

You did a really good job on this. As a descendant of many Emancipists (my first ancestor came over on the First Fleet - once you discover that, you discover many other convict ancestors because who else were they going to marry.) I can fully appreciate Macquarie. I have been a bit of a fan since school. A few things of interest. William Bligh was also well liked amongst the Emancipists because he tried to protect the small farmers, mostly Emancipists against the corruption of the Rum Corps. It was one of the causes of the Rum Rebellion that he tried to take on the Rum Corps. Once of the reasons Macquarie was more successful was because he was army and arrived it’s his own regiment. The 4 previous governors were Navy and the NSW Corps constantly opposed them. Macquarie was able to pack the NSW Corps back to Britain, which undercut the power of Exclusives. I also like the fact you mention his flaws, particularly his treatment of Aboriginal people. We did not learn a lot about that at school. Well done

That was a great bit of history mate little known fact dingos don't like koalas because they taste like Vic's

Oh Botany Bay, oh no the star track menis KAN! LOL

I feel like I definitely watched this as a TV movie...the rum corps et al...

Interesting stuff! I learned a bit about Lachlan MacQuarie last year when we spent a couple of weeks on Mull and visited Ulva. Some of what you recount here is familiar, some of it not. I'd got the impression that he had treated the Aborigines more decently than his predecessors. I'm willing to accept that is not correct. I also gather that he improved the odds of a convict making it to NSW alive by changing the way in which the Captains of the ships were paid. Previously they had been paid per head embarking in Britain and it didn't matter how many survived. LM changed it to paying them for the number who disembarked at the other end of the voyage.

Lachlan Macquarie actually founded the town I was born in. He's a bit of a controversial figure here, understandably. But I agree in seeing him, as is the case of many historical leaders, as a person who was capable of good and evil. He did positive acts, including the aforementioned societal changes and even setting up a school for Aboriginal people, but he also had many local Indigenous people killed in repressive campaigns. In conclusion, his life and legacy are very interesting to me, and I feel he is very important to Australia's history, including the positive and negative aspects of him.

OY!!! Not ALL of Australia was New South Wales in 1807, thanks! Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) became the 2nd penal colony in 1804. A horrible process ofc, but we _did_ exist at the time you mentioned! ;) In the refs of a book*, Macquarie literally has a sub-heading "disapproves of events in VDL" :D Governors here didn't just socialise with ex-convicts, they had convict mistresses- the 1st English woman in VDL was the 17yo pregnant convict mistress of the 1st governor. (*"Obliged to Submit" by Alison Alexander, about the wives & mistresses of VDL governors, who ofc are totally overlooked by history.) ...Not all white Aussies celebrate Invasion Day on Jan 26th, btw, but as you said, that's another topic.

Can you do history of the Falkirk Estates callendar family and forbes bantaskine, westquater, calendar estate. Polmont House,

The origin of "posh" is port out, starboard home.

I am descendant of Lachlan Macquarie I am a McQueary💙🗡 I have a family book Tracing my lineage through family.

Will need the canoe next time I'm over, Ulva is on my list 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Was there anything of significance on the tomb, there appeared to be an impressive paragraph of information.🤔

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Eulogising wasn't he a braw lad blah blah stuff

@ExploringScotlandsHistory

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours 😂😂🤔

Technically during the mutiny on the Bounty Bligh was not yet Captain but commanding Lieutenant. He was promoted a few years later and eventually became Rear Admiral (why did the navy always use such oddly gay sounding titles anyway?).

@johnmccallum8512

2 жыл бұрын

His rank may well have been as you say commanding Lieutenant but any one in Command of a Royal Navy ship is addressed as Captain.

Bruce, I have given some thought to the issues you posed at the end of your video. I think that one shouldn't judge the past simply by either current standard, or the standards of the historical period, but should take both sets of standards into consideration in deciding what to think. Also, I don't think it necessarily follows that one must accept something in the present because it might have been acceptable in the past based on the standards of the past. This is because the present is not the past. But in any case, a military junta in a tiny, remote penal in the late 18th/19th century is not going to be an exact parallel of/precedent for a military junta of a country of millions in the 20th/21st century. Or maybe it, but that in itself is something that needs to be considered. Each has to be judged on its own "merits": one might the thought ok and another not, or both ok, or both not ok. Thanks, Matt

Racism is still the norm in some places in New South and Queensland. I got a tread of that in Goondiwindi talking to a salesman, he referred to the Aboriginals as coons, blackies and so on. Luckily my friends in Portland Vic have an other set of mind.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Ooooft. I had one of my own worst experiences in Adelaide

Superb, Bruce. I'm wondering your thoughts/presentation about John A Macdonald (over here🇨🇦) ...forgive me if you've covered him already!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Aye, controversial as well right enough

@kentait66

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Och... aye, Bruce, just now. Never at all, before this current "woke" madness. (Always regarded as the greatest 🇨🇦PM ever - long since!)

@kentait66

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours ...in fact, the next PM to him was MacKenzie (from just up the road to Pitlochtry from you - Logierait)

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

I've often passed his house in Dunkeld... a little south of Pitlochry. I've been to MacDonald's memorial up north as well. It would be quite a drive to do it

@kentait66

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Yep. Somewhere up Dornoch way??? (always thought he was fae the heart of Glesga!)🤔

An other great video Bruce you have gotten better with each one. A great ending and I'm looking forward to the follow up, or part duex. Without a complete look at history the view from the present is just extreme contrasts, no gray areas. In Canada the first Prime Minister, a Scot, John A. Macdonald was largely ignored for 100 year, until the 1967 centenary. Then venerated as a nation builder. Now condemned for the Indian Act and Residential Schools set up to remove the "Indian in the child." But 20 Prime Ministers followed before the last school closed. Some even hid the evidence of the abuses and punished public servant that tried to expose and make improvements. But only Macdonald is seen as the racist villain. We give all the others a pass, including our own ancestors that supported those genocidal policies. What can we learn from our history that can help us make a better future? If we don't look at the whole we learn nothing. Keep up the great work.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

Good point

Currently, in Australia, there is a huge debate about "Australia Day" or as the indigenous people call it "Invasion Day"

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I know

I was wondering if you could do a video addressing the differences between Scots, Scottish Gaelic, and Norn. Also could you do a video on the Shetlands and the Orkneys. According to MyTrueAncestry my closest modern DNA connection is with Orcadians. I had no idea who these people were. Again thoroughly enjoy what you do and almost always laugh out loud while watching.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

😂That sounds like an expensive trip. Maybe one day.

@brantreeves6873

2 жыл бұрын

Well how about focusing on the language differences and similarities.

Be very interesting to do a view on the McLeod clan, did they not come from Norway/Sweden ?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Certainly Norse

Yep, Lachlan Macquarie, the greatest Scot that has ever lived.

My great x many grandfather, James Frazer, served in the 73rd Regiment and arrived as a private with Governor Macquarie. Unfortunately, he apparently found his military salary insufficient, stole from Government Stores and reversed the progress of other new arrivals and went from being free to being a convict. Ironically he died in custody in the penal colony of Port Macquarie.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's a story. What was his name?

@shanecarter3154

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours James Frazer. One of his many children was Andrew Frazer, born c1817, the direct ancestor on our line. It must have been an interesting way to run a penal colony. Even though James was a convict in Port Macquarie his family moved there and lived nearby and helped look after him.

Recently discovered your channel and its great! And like the US viewers I've claimed to be a distant relative to the governor 👀

A Scot "founded" Canada as well, although thankfully Scotland officially disowned John A. Macdonald, something I really wish we'd get around to doing

@danran100

2 жыл бұрын

Why ?

You might also find Captain Patrick Logan to be of interest. Another in/famous Scot depending on point of view. A pioneering explorer and veteran of the Peninsular War, he was appointed Commandant of Moreton Bay Penal settlement. He was apparently cruel beyond reason, so when he was murdered by natives during his explorations the convicts had a wild celebrations. Many sites in Queensland are named after him, though that may change given today's attitudes to historical figures. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Logan

@duncancallum

2 жыл бұрын

Ah hope they dinnae change the name of Oxley Avenue Redcliffe Queensland .

@stitchjones7134

2 жыл бұрын

@@duncancallum Reckon you'll get lost, next time you come over?

It was a different time back then and we can't change it so you can't judge them by our time because in their mind it was ok and they were mostly following orders but we can judge today and correct today's time and point out our own flaws

koalas amongst the dingos, lol bung another shrimp on the barbie and pass me another tin of the ol' malabrawonga Bruce

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 жыл бұрын

😜