I've layed awake in bed for many sleepless nights pondering this question🤔. Thanks for taking the time to answer!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

B Powell I am glad I have answered the questions so you can now get a full nights sleep :) You are welcome :)

@jonathanbair523

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop Looks like I need to start adding the doubles on my tractors rather then standard.

@obiwankenobi2749

3 жыл бұрын

I just answer all the questions by sticking duels on every tractor

@gijsvermuntagrifotografie

3 жыл бұрын

Shouldve used gps and let them all drive in the same line behind eachother?

@clacclackerson3678

3 жыл бұрын

Lain.

Narrow tires are for spraying and weeding so if you have crop destruction on so I think they make a difference for the designated job

@SFuruli

2 жыл бұрын

Right! We have a small tractor with narrow tires for this job specifically. 😊 We're a little bit confused by narrow tires on medium/large tractors though. When we ran a medium tractor with narrow tires through a field, it still destroyed the crops. So not sure what purpose it serves to have the option for narrow tires on medium/large tractors. Need to find out! 😊

Now you need to redo the test using the _Added Realism for Vehicles_ mod. Then you can expand on it to see what a difference horse power makes as well as tire width.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I won't make any promises but I did add that to the testing list :)

@firemarshal8538

3 жыл бұрын

You beat me too it lol

@mikesiver1950

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop I suspect that the results of such a test will be more dramatic than your original. I've often considered doing a test and posting the results to KZread but I wouldn't know where to begin.

@NURTXXN

3 жыл бұрын

That wouldnt be fair to console players

@mikesiver1950

3 жыл бұрын

@@NURTXXN What wouldn't be fair? Are you saying it wouldn't be fair to re-test using the mod because the mod is not available to console players? If so, then console players need not view the test or utilize its results in their game play.

As simple as it is, I think one of my favorite parts about your videos is your intros. "If this is what you're looking for, please stay tuned". Wholesome

Great test I’ve always been curious if it makes a difference now I know haha also if you still have that test saved would be interesting to see if tracks instead of tires would make any difference either.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I will be doing a test video on tracks next :) Thank you :)

@Matty__Matt

3 жыл бұрын

It's UP!!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYur2tWeZae_d84.html

I have wondered about this dilemma myself. I know that wider tires seem to hamper agility and sometimes top speed can be reduced but it totally makes sense that it would improve pulling power. I honestly doubted that it would make any difference but these tests were setup very well with very little room for error. Fantastic content! Thank You! I wish good health, happiness and all the best to you and yours!

I really enjoy your 10 second intro description on all your videos, and then proceed to explain everything further. Thanks!

Good test, exactly what I was looking for. I like the fact that you are a cop by the way. My sister is a cop in MN. Super proud to be her brother and I appreciate cops.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying that, that means a lot to me. Tell your sister thank you for her service!

This was riveting ! Top Gear has nothing on you ! I swore by the dual rears until I sent it on a courseplay course for a delivery. * traffic …… off *

Very helpful video, I never got "tired" of watching this :D

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha love it

Great test and It absolutely matters. I noticed it just doing field work, much better traction and stability with wider tires or especially doubles. Also if I am using a front loader on a tractor it is more stable. I done a test a while back to see if axle count matters with trucks and it totally did. I tried single, dual, and triple axle trucks. With some heavy loads the single axle would hardly move it. The weight would push the truck down far too low as it would in reality. Plus stability was better with more axles.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yea I never really thought about how much it would matter and just thought more tires was strictly aesthetic but after doing this test it has really changed my perspective. hat is good to know to about trucks, thank you for sharing that

@chaytonbaird1123

3 жыл бұрын

Hi farmer cop

Your commitment to the scientific method is the best thing about this video

Very informative, thank you for making this video. I have laid in bed, unable to sleep, wondering about this very question. You have solved one of the worlds greatest mysteries. I thank you.

No matter what I search in this game, your name pops up. You’ve got my sub and you’ve helped me in many ways in starting/improving my farm

Next one you have to compare Tracks to Tires. Keep it up!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Yes great idea that is in the works :)

@gamer-dna

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop I was going to also ask for a Take-2 examining half-tracks and quad-trac variants, but saw you already did one. As with a lot of your videos, you taught me something yet again, so thank you!

I waited so long for this video - thank you so much! :D

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Tom you are very welcome glad you enjoyed it :)

I wasn’t as scientific but came to same conclusion. Was plowing and noticed wheel slip on a 500hp tractor so put duels on. The wheel slip pretty much gone and plowing speed increased substantially

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That makes sense. I will definiyely be putting on duals if I ever notice an issue

The game doesnt model tire friction the way you would think it would. This is how the game models the tires. Different mods and different vehicles can and will have different settings. I do know there is a mod that actually models dynamic friction depending on weight, tires, center of mass, and terrain. Giants base game doesnt do that.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Very true!

Would've loved to see the tracks and floater tires too! Good vid

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nick! At a minim I will test tracks soon :)

This was so much fun to watch! And thx for doing this. It helps alot.

Very useful research! Thank you. You give me answers to all the questions I ever had about the game. =D

This is handy for the fellsbrun map, it's expensive but if it will plow, cultivate, and put faster the seeds. That should be a win senario in the long run. Could you do some test with tire treads or rups tires ?

You should use the mod "added realism for vehicles" & correct 'filltypes mass adjust'. then you see the difference between smal, normal, wide & double tires. + also slippage indicator on the hud is nice, and extra weight is taken into account.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Peter good to know

I haven't went this extensive into it but I've known it makes a difference for quite a while by watching my operational speeds on my implements. Weight and tire setup does make a difference for certain. Also the actual distribution from one tractor to another makes a difference as well. For example, in a flat field the 7 series (352 hp) John Deere will actually pull the largest Great Plains seeder/planter with duals and 1500kg on the front better than the 8 series (450 hp) with the same setup. The 8 gets a little closer if you go up to 1800kg on the front but the 7 will keep that sucker locked at 9mph all day whereas behind the 8 the speed wobbles a bit. I figure it must be that the 7 has nearly the same weight in the tractor but in a tighter package so it can really tuck in and pull it. On hills though the 8 series superior hp wins out over the 7s and the seven gets dragged down more. It's not super realistic but there is definitely a light physics dynamic for it in the game. It's actually like reality lite. The tires themselves also add weight as irl as well and ballast weight works against you on the hills just like irl. Love these tests like this though! Super cool and leaves no doubt! Well thought out!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing all that that makes sense :) and thank you! :)

Awesome video! I want to see more tests like this! Keep it up Farmer Cop😎👍🏼

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Will do thank you :)

Thanks this is great information as I’m currently playing on south Brazil map which is loaded with huge hills!

I tend to use standard or slight wide tires, just seems easier to drop off goods to factories/silos/pens etc. Double wheels etc do look nice tho on the huge fields =)

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Mike I like wides because of there wider stance and the duals do make it more difficult to maneuver. I may use duals more often though now because of this haha.

Hey buddy just wanted to comment your editing and audio skills used in this video are on par with fellas with many more subscribers such a Mr Sealy P and dj goham and now this is just personal opinion I feel your better than FS club just to be honest

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Stephen I am blown away by your comment. Thank you. I always try my best to put out quality content and that makes me very happy to hear. Thank you :)

@stephentodd4345

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop not a problem buddy just felt I should share that. Keep up the good work 💪

Hi Farmer Cop It's always interesting watching your videos I enjoy them I also noticed the smaller the tires the more wheel slip you had I have found the fatter the ground it doesn't matter the size of the tractor or the implement do you just not going to operate at the right speed but they will work

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Terry and that is a very good point, you will get more slip with smaller tires especially with large equipment or implements on the back

You should check if adding front weights and wheel weights matter, recently found the channel, love it

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I ended up testing that, see my video on tracks :) glad you enjoy the content!

That's a neat test. Thanks for sharing

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely thanks Matt :)

I don't have FS2019 yet; I have FS2017. Hopefully the results are similar. Thanks for the video.

I didn't think tires actually made any difference beyond crop destruction, cool test. Would nice to see soil compaction from tires added into the game as a stock feature

@SFuruli

2 жыл бұрын

I've noticed our tractor with dual tires (8 total) can't make as sharp turns. Tried reconfiguring it to standard tires (4 total), and then it could perform sharper turns. Bunker silage compaction with dual tires is great for gripping the uneven ground. This is on FS22.

@stevenmiller279

2 жыл бұрын

@@SFuruli haven't got that far yet, I've only filled the silage bunker twice in haut-beyleron, and just ran the MF-8 over it with singles and wheel weights. Tried to use the fendt 1100 series but it got stuck easily. Mostly on the front. I dont go use much silage yet, so I haven't had to find the quickest way to do it.

@SFuruli

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenmiller279 Ok. 😃 Maybe belts aren't the best for bunker silage then. Haven't tried that yet. I watched one of Farmer Cop's videos after my last reply. He tested the various tire widths by pulling a cultivator up a hill. The tractor and cultivator were the same for each run. The only factor that changed between each runs was the tire width. The tractor would maintain it's speed better up the hill with wider tires. The wider the tires, the higher the speed. Not sure how this translates to flat ground, but interesting results nontheless.😃 We own some fields in Elm Creek where they start sloping uphill, so will look to changing tire setup for tractors working on them.

@stevenmiller279

2 жыл бұрын

@@SFuruli it seems like the problem with tracked vehicles is the belts don't extend all the way to front allowing it to climb over the silage pile, so the front digs in and gets stuck. But I'll definitely try a dual tire set up for silage. I would guess with how the physics work on compacting chaff it would be easy to see how it would compact quicker. I'm really excited to see how well the actual silage equipment works in 22. It didn't really have much advantage that I noticed in 19.

@SFuruli

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenmiller279 We're in the process of getting a forage harvester. Really looking forward to it. There's something about the flow or chaf shooting out, and the possibility for teamwork between the harvester and tractors. 😃

I think the GPS mod could have helped by keeping the tractor's in a straight line, you wouldn't need to have such a wide hill, and you'd get more accurate information because everyone tractor would take the same path

On the Puma, Michelin tire option is for the super-wide harvester tires/monster truck tires (I have a fleet of Pumas in various configs, and that's one of them). Think there'd be any benefit there? Also, the wider overall setups do in fact make a difference in lateral stability. Tight turns at high speed will far more easily tip over a narrow overall track width.

Something interesting that I found (kinda ran my own tests) using the JD 8R (8400 and the 410) wanted to see what had better traction, as well as what would destroy crops (narrows and tracks). Found that on the 8400 the trelleborg triple narrows did not destroy the crops, but the Michelin triple narrows did. So brand mattered, but may have been a glitch. Also, I have the added realism which is nice because it’ll show you the engine load (percentage of strain) and percentage of slip which was a great tool. Food for thought!

@reclessantics

3 жыл бұрын

Side note, did a lot of tests with the case puma and magnum tractors. Pulling, traction, weights on the front and whatnot too.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late reply, thank you for the comment! I have noticed that as well with some modded tractors the "narrow" tires still destroy crops at times like you described. And I may end up doing more tests with added realism as well :)

You didn't include wheel weights, they make a big difference

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

They will be in a second test coming soon :)

@rigjockey67

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop try on a freshly plowed field !

I just wanted to ask has anyone ran into a bug where you can harvest crops at Max speed (24mph) with the JD S790?

Hello Farmer Cop. Thank you for this interesting test!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome glad you enjoyed :)

Great video, thanks!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Your welcome! Thank you :)

very interesting test... couple of things tho. do the front tractor wheels have power to turn like the rears? If not then i would think that dual tires in the front would not matter. if they do have power then, yeah, maybe front duals are a go. if you want to have a very steady course up the hill why not use guidance steering. that should alleviate any off track travel. just a thought

I found this curious that it actually worked the bigger/more tires you went. I wonder if differential mod has any play on it as well.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Differential I have heard makes a big difference but I have not tested it :)

Thanks sooooooo much for the help!!!!!

i missed the weighted tires test in there cuz if the physics are well made to the point where weights help gripping to the ground, you could see how well weighted wheels performs compared to weightless

Great test see some changes with font weights

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I can imagine that front weights would change things a bit to, I am going to do more tests but we will see what those entail :)

Great video. Next you could do manufacturers of tires such as Michelin, trellborg, Mitas etc.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

This video compares some brands in that way :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3ltx7iEeq6dpJc.html

Great idea!!! now I know... top vid, thks :)

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

The most helpful video in youtube 👍

Great video!!

do we get to see the different feald and roads tested . plowed v harvested v grass

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I may look into doing that as a test as well thank you great idea :)

Does Switch give options like this? I know on my Switch version I can’t grow sugar cane.

The snow test would of been perfect for the weight test

While working on the ground it matters if you use a cultivator and you have narrow tires you will slip and if you use wide or dubble you wont slip at all

Great questioned answered!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jeff :)

@BeardedDad72

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop, idk if you remember but i posed that question to you several months ago. We both liked wide tires because they looked badass, lol.

Thank you for this very usefull information.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Ome, glad it was helpful :)

Great video and thanks for your service I support men and women and blue be praying for you all .

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brad, glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the support, in these times it definitely helps

You do know there is a built in compass in the game so you can make them all start at the same heading?

That's pretty conclusive, ,,duels for my autonomous harvester then

Wide tires or double or triple tires have to do with weight distribution keeping you from tearing up your field or simply helps from sinking in the mud it spreads the weight out

And *doesn't cross the finish line* "beats it"! *crosses finish line slightly later. Lol. Love the test though!

Interesting!

Great test thanks for doing it BUT can we therefore apply Duels for actually working on hills...... ploughing, planting, because their a pain for travelling on the road🤔😁

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Great point, its hard to use duals on big hills if you can't get them there on narrow roads.

@sirnick9192

3 жыл бұрын

Ok so. On wanting to be able to do as you want try placing a tool box mod next to ur field. that way you or yall can customize ur tractors at your fields like u was at the shop.

I Need to do the same test on normal ground as u did on the snow bc maybe it would still be the same time so the snow doesn’t matter

You need to go up the same spot like you did in the snow test for the cultivator test.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that would have been more accurate, my more recent tests are more accurate as I have tweaked some things

Amazing test, i always want to know this

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

Danke very much

Try again with a single tractor and place a workshop so it can be reconfigured in-place. This allows you to save the game with it configured the first way and time it, then reload to the exact same track and position, change the tyres, do it again.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That definitely would make the test more accurate but based on the results it would only adjust the times by minimal amounts so I probably will not do the test again that way. But that is a fantastic idea

@markhackett2302

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop Oh aye, it is a bit late for THIS test, but for next time (e.g. if you try road tires or the different brands, or if you try on grass/cultivated/roads) it should help shorten the time taken to set it up AND make it a bit more accurate.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

@@markhackett2302 very true thank you

Now test different tyres when compacting silage pits

@login9804

3 жыл бұрын

Based on the way the game calculates the silage compaction, it packs silage based on the number of tires. So the tractor with front and rear duals should pack the fastest.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I may still test it but that is good to know thank you Login :)

@aidenmtb5784

3 жыл бұрын

It’s mainly weight really I’m pretty sure

@mirum8726

3 жыл бұрын

also you get less stuck with all dual

good video

Using the puma and roughly 15 meter wide windrower, I can absolutely see a difference in tires. With narrow tires the tractor gets pushed into a jackknife by the implement, with wide tires and wheel weights, it does not.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That makes sense, yea I was surprised at the difference it made

The first test was well-made, but the second one is worthless due to your making it too short. Good to know that the tires do make a difference though!

good know I have a reason to run duals in stead of just looking good.

You should’ve done tracks I want to see the difference between tire and tracks but thanks for doing this👍

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I did a partial test on tracks, go to my test videos on my channel and it will be there :)

@eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh9427

3 жыл бұрын

Farmer Cop got it thanks 🙏

👍. A bit board are we. Lol. It would be interesting now to compare between the enhanced vehicle mod. The one we’re u can turn 4 wheel and diff locks on and off.

@nasa1985

3 жыл бұрын

Bored!

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say bored haha I have wanted to do this test for a LONG time and just finally got around to it haha :) I will look into that mod as well :)

@holden3083

3 жыл бұрын

Farmer Cop lol. Cheers.

Great video 👍

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joe :)

In real life thinner tyres usually work better as all the load is on a smaller area, big wide tyres although more area on the ground the weight is spread lightly over a larger area, a bit like high heal shoes compared to normal ones, they dig in. I remember getting stuck in my 4x4 with wide tyres and a small fiat panda passed me no problem.

the thin wheels slipped at the end

Lol my obsession with duels pays off

In Scarok car mod and yellow black 4x4 and red white 4x4 double tires are more unstable. Just for u know

It is also affected by the tyre type. I suggest mitas on John Deere’s

@colegudmunson9488

3 жыл бұрын

I use the American tractors so I use Michelin

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Test video on tire brands coming out today :)

Wow I wouldn’t have thought it would even make a difference

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Same here! I definitely learned something when doing this test

Loved the test but my i say with the uphill and the Load. Your losing traction on front tires. Please add weights to front.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That is a good idea, will do :)

@sirnick9192

3 жыл бұрын

@@FarmerCop coolbeans👍👀

I noticed this the other day pulling the new planter for PS4 with the 2020 JD with standard duals to wide duals and gained 1 mph while planting

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know Matthew thank you :)

@matthewmehlhoff7724

3 жыл бұрын

power requirements and hp of tractor were really close I could not get the max mph with the standard duals

I think the front smaller tires started “skipping” cause they didn’t have any weight on the front end of the tractors and once you put the extra tires, they kinda acted like a weight along with more traction

Can you do a video to see if the difffernt beans of tyres make a difference (Nokian, and the others) please

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Already did one on my channel, make sure you check it out :)

😂by the third tractor in the snow the starting line looked like an angry face😂

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha very true

11:48 "... whatever the Case might be."

You should test this with tracks as well

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

I did a limited test with some form of tracks, should be able to find it on the channel :)

ok standart and wide are the same, but i still buy wide ones cuz they look way cooler

On flat ground would be nice to see like with the dual tires if you can run a slightly bigger plow subsoiler or cultivator that can work near or at working speed where with standard would run a bit slower and with a tractor with a loader would rear wheel weights help in lift capability

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That is a good idea, I won;t promise I will run a test on it but I will add it to the potential future tests list :)

Now does it matter with realistic dirt mod?

If you want to grind fast get the modded diesel pick up truck ( tuned one )and cultivate, it goes 26MPH while lowered 😂

Before watching: In my experience there is a noticeable difference in traction with weights, wides, duals, etc. But it's really great to see some direct comparisons! I think the pulling to the side is caused by tire slippage; I don't have that problem as long as I have good traction, but I do have it when I'm pulling something right at the limit or something too heavy.

I wonder if there is a measurable difference between crop destruction between tires

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great question, obviously narrows don't destroy it but other tires do but how bad does each tire affect it I have no idea, adding that to the potential future tests list :)

It’s should be added that narrow tires prevent crop destruction when driving onto fields

Can you test compaction on yields?

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

Base game it has no effect

I think it would have been a more accurate test if you paired a tractor with the appropriate hp. You’re looking for wheel slip, not top speed. I’ve played with and without the realism mods and it’s been my experience that it really doesn’t matter which tires you equip in the base game. Case in point. I have a modded trailer that hauls 500,000l In the base game using the base articulated tractors it pulls it at half speed but without wheel slip using singles on any surface. Using rea mod... not that’s a different story altogether. Triple 710’s will get me stuck in a hurry. Love the methodology, thanks for the vid.

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

That makes sense. And I can see why that would have changed the results for sure. Thank you

How did you just add snow?

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

The Just Snow mod

How did u do the snow

@FarmerCop

3 жыл бұрын

The "Just Snow" mod on modhub

I always have Wides with Weights. Or if im on a big open map ill get some Twins for the back but never double twins! looks stupid to me idc if it works better 😅🤠🚜

@liammulcahey1264

3 жыл бұрын

If it had no real effect I’d probably do the same thing, unless it’s one a big big tractor