Every plane and other flying thing can become a submarine. But only once...

@colinhobbs7265

11 ай бұрын

There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky

@JCtheMusicMan_

11 ай бұрын

😂

@pw6002

11 ай бұрын

😂 Yeah. And some russian tank-turrets have apparently been tested to replace their aging Soyuz space-ship… with mixed results…😅

@torinnbalasar6774

11 ай бұрын

​@@pw6002 they've also done a feasibility demonstration for replacing their submersibles with cruisers, but a discarded cigarette started a fire and they lost it. 😔

@BeefyGordita

11 ай бұрын

The trick to flying, is to throw one’s self at the ground and miss.

"In the town where I was born Lived a man who was a Seal And he told us of his life In the land of covert sea combat. We all live in a flying submarine, A flying submarine, a flying submarine. We all live in a flying submarine, A flying submarine, a flying submarine."

@bholdr----0

11 ай бұрын

...and that guy used to get high as f***! (Uh... literally, in Admiral McRaven's flying seal-team band!)

@johngaglione2236

11 ай бұрын

Hahahahahah

@teaser6089

11 ай бұрын

Hahaha nice one

@sageminentjunky5197

11 ай бұрын

Wasn't sergeant pepper on board

@robertevans9354

11 ай бұрын

I knew a guy like that and they turned his teeth into radio receivers in the air force . He went crazy from it , couldn't turn it down or off . Poor old man was very nice but crazy.thats when I truly understood the evil in all things governmental or military in nature . No way I would of been drafted , I would of been Canadian or Mexican overnight . Now it's recommended to emigrate out of your he'll hole called a country.

After seeing the NR-1 back when I was a boy and the stealth helicopter during Operation Neptune's Spear I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing is already operational.

@artnull13

11 ай бұрын

Black project no doubt - considering SOF were flying around in stealth Blackhawks no-one had a clue about until the bin laden raid.

@EricWillis77

11 ай бұрын

It would explain the very unusual flying submarine like object I seen way back in 2009🤷🏼‍♂️or not

@madarius76

11 ай бұрын

black project yep, blacker then black even, like project marauder and any propulsion that came from that and those bin laden black Hawks. but downside of a program being that compartmentalized is that outside members of individuals from SMUs that had made use of them before and the people running the program not even traditional tier 1 SOF are aware of them generally including devgru prior to being shipped to a hangar and shown the stealth black hawks in preparation for the bin laden raid

@rm-ih1ns

3 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHlpptyOoLTJqbA.html done & dunNn

Admiral Nelson, in command of the nuclear powered, magnetohydrodynamically propelled SeaView submarine, had a rapidly deployable Flying Sub on board, with a blended flying wing design, way back in the mid-60's.

@txgho634

11 ай бұрын

Yea that was a bar of soap on the shower floor. DOD never thought people with eyes to see could tell the smoke from the fire.

@Sr89hot

11 ай бұрын

Kawalski used to fly/dive the flying sub.

@DARisse-ji1yw

11 ай бұрын

Ya beat me to it !

@lanceb7556

11 ай бұрын

My brother and I loved that show

@sciteceng2hedz358

11 ай бұрын

Did Sea Quest (1990's) have one too?

You left out the Japanese I-400 class submarines. There were only a few made and were only used at the very end of the war. Their purpose was to blow up the locks of the Panama Canal. They had a hangar under the Conning Tower and the subs were 400 feet long,longer than a Fletcher Class Destroyer. The US captured them only after the Japanese capitulated and they were returning to Japan. They were sunk off the coast of Hawaii when the Russians demanded to inspect them. The US government had no clue they existed until they were captured.

@kevadu

11 ай бұрын

Honestly not mentioning Japanese subs at all is a big miss. Besides the I-400 class (which were the biggest subs ever built before nuclear powered ballistic missile subs became a thing) they actually had quite a few other designs that could deploy (and retrieve) a reconnaissance seaplane to help with things like spotting targets. They were probably the biggest users of aircraft carrying submarines in the world.

@IglooGaming1775

11 ай бұрын

Glad someone caught it lol

@sciteceng2hedz358

11 ай бұрын

Saw this on Mustard 👍

@fw1421

11 ай бұрын

@@sciteceng2hedz358 I bought the Book on the I-400 class subs about 12 years ago. These subs were unknown to the American people pretty much until this book was published in 2006. If you want to read it it’s called,I-400,Japans Secret Aircraft Carrying Submarine. Lots of photos and drawings. They were torpedoed and bombed off Barbers Pointe in Hawaii. They were found in the mid 2000’s when ROV’s found them. The only Aichi Seiran attack bomber left has been restored and is on display at the Steven Udvar Hazy Center of the Smithsonian at Dulles.

@elgato9534

11 ай бұрын

The Japanese made three unforgivable blunders (outside of starting the war in the first place) not using subs to attack US shipping, not going all out to destroy the Panama canal and being too effing timid at sea. BTW I'm Japanese American.

Who remembers the old Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea flying sub?

@tommanseau6277

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Irwin Allen solved this almost 60 years ago! 😂

Fast becoming one of my favourite YT channels, merely as an aviation enthusiast. Your content is excellent Alex!

@raidermaxx2324

11 ай бұрын

but isnt this a program called "air power" that he just used as his content?

If you look at the deepflight submersibles like the super merlin, it reaches a depth of 120m, can travel at 6 knots and it weighs 1800kg, while carrying 2 people (2t in total) It's a bit heavy for an aircraft its size, but perfectly feasible nonetheless.

@user-McGiver

11 ай бұрын

it can't really fly....

@almerindaromeira8352

11 ай бұрын

@@user-McGiver i meant if it were to be made flyable

@user-McGiver

11 ай бұрын

@@almerindaromeira8352 how?..... using happy thoughts?.... it has to be an airplane first.... and a sub second... not the otherway around... but tacking of from the water to return means that has to be shaped like a hydroplane to and then is the differend engines-fuel etc.... it will take a huge ''system'' for 5-6 marines

@almerindaromeira8352

11 ай бұрын

@@user-McGiver it actually doesn't need to be a plane first. You won't get far if you narrow your views. I mean, it's not hard to add some canvas or even aluminium wings to it, maybe a V-tail and a push propeller attached to a ~300hp engine from Lycoming or Continental with intake and exhaust hatches. Much like if a MQ1 predator had a child with a deepflight submersible. I've seen much more radical experimental aircraft made by civilians. I'm sure the DoD could figure this out if they wanted to. Now of course there is no operational need to go to 120m depth to deploy SEALS and the deepflight subs are positively buoyant at all times for safety reasons which would hinder the loitering aspect of the mission, but anything is doable.

@user-McGiver

11 ай бұрын

@@almerindaromeira8352go ahead and buils a prototype then... or make a desigh and submit it!....

Admiral Nelson's Seaview came with a flying sub as standard equipment back in the 60's

A flying submarine sounds like something out of a James Bond film.

@jameson1239

11 ай бұрын

It’s in the newest one

@rt_goblin_hours

3 ай бұрын

Or the incredible

This will be a reality when the anti gravity tech is released

@Yuki_Ika7

11 ай бұрын

Who knows, **puts on tin foil hat ** the government might already have that tech, but again this is just a theory, believe what you wish and just as (I think it was) Someone at the Skunkworks said, "Aircraft and technology the public sees today we (the government) are at least 10 years ahead in technology" or something of the sort

@mike4769

11 ай бұрын

@@Yuki_Ika7the military industrial complex is not loyal to any one country. The conspiracies of 10 years ago are today's reality.

@txgho634

11 ай бұрын

GMS creates a low pressure bubble. Not to mention the push/pull fields.

I can see why it was not built. 100mph rotation speed will be very challenging to operate in waves even as small a 12". It would be a very rough ride and likely flip like a cigaret boat hitting a freak wave.

Another excellent video. Thank you, Mr. Hollings.

I would be curious to ask why they did not consider a hydrofoil or surface effect ship that could submerge instead. I could see them building one or two special purpose ships.

@davewebster5120

11 ай бұрын

Those are both great ideas. It'd be a lot easier to take off out of the water on a hydrofoil with the wings up out of the water.

@kennethng8346

11 ай бұрын

@@davewebster5120 My thought is that with ground effect or hydrofoil, you don't need the airplane part. Your not as fast as a pure airplane, but you will have an easier time lifting the submarine pressure hull out of the water to gain speed.

@deth3021

11 ай бұрын

​@@kennethng8346too visible In sonar I expect. Wakes are pretty detectable on sonar, and hydro foils have wakes last I checked ...

@kennethng8346

11 ай бұрын

@@deth3021 By sonar do you mean active sonar or passive sound microphones? While I have no first hand experience, I'd imagine that trying to use active pings to track hydrofoils amongst the surface wave clutter would be difficult at best. Maybe you could use doppler shifts, but wave movement would intefere with that. Passive microphones would probably work. I still think ground effect vessels would solve most of the problems.

@deth3021

11 ай бұрын

@kennethng8346 there are many ways to detect wakes. Give wake detecfion a Google. Satalites can do it. Airplanes can do it and ships can do it. Yes I believe that ships would use active sonar for it. Satalites/drones are perhaps the biggest issue though. As they can monitor large swaths of sea/ocean. Acrono planes actually also leave wakes AFAIK. I suspect they would also be detectable by passive sonar.... as they are creating noise so close to the water. I mean it's called ground effect for a reason. Air is much weaker at transmitting sound than water. So a plane for initial insertion and then a stealth mini sub for the last crawl actually makes a lot of sense.

Thank you for your awesome videos. Once again, if I could request a video where you speculate on a V-280 + V-247 possible replacement for the Marines Huey and Cobra replacement. Thanks!

I'd love to see the engineers pitch this one: - Flying sub. - Smith, you bastard, you did it again.

I sat in the DARPA brief where they were soliciting bidd to develop concepts... I was skeptical... however I was approached by a creative individual who thought he had a idea.. The objective was a long flight, a shorter high speed surface dash, and a shorter submerged leg, and back

Hello @ Mr. Hollings Congratulations on your award.. we'll deserved. Could you please do an episode on evolving Chinese UCAV Capabilities.. bust some myths / bring facts around programs like WZ8. Would like to know your perspective: Combat vs ISR, new technologies, mass producibility, and tactics to employ

I'm not an engineer but I did serve 30 years as a US Navy Supply Officer. I've seen this movie before. My concerns include: - What would the limits on: sea state the flying sub (FS) is can launch and recover? - Maneuverability of the mother sub be compromised when the FS is embarked? Depth and speed limitations on the mother sub while the FS is embarked. Additional risk of detection? FS results in additional flow noise and cavitation caused by the FS which is designed more for flight than submerged ops. I see this as a lot of increased risk to the mother sub, is the FS capability worth it? Experience tells me that the uniqueness of the FS would mean the repair parts and availability of maintenance personnel would be limited. Storage space on a fast attack boat is very limited. Add to that a Pack Up Kit of repair parts where the contents are based on modeling and educated guesswork. It's not impossible but certainly challenging to replenish a submarine at sea. Pulling in to port will alert adversaries that there's an FS operating in the area. Yea I'm all gloom and doom. You can't top the cool factor for sure, but day to day ops would probably be a nightmare. I hope the question that gets asked and answered someday is: IS all this potential capability worth the cost and risks? Is it that much better than existing methods. Finally...Richard Basehart has been dead for a long time. Where will you find a flying sub pilot among today's flag officers? 🙂

The Japanese had 3 submarine aircraft carriers in WW2 Likely what inspired the 1950's U.S. design

I feel like you could make a VASTLY cheaper alternative if you had a stealthy sea plane with a mini submersible as its payload, and it could return and retrieve the seals and their mini sub.

You are Alex Hollings and you are AWESOME. Thanks man!

The GI Joe character that flew their flying submarine was my favorite character... but I forgot his name. _Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow_ showed a submersible aircraft, although the idea of crashing into the water as a form of transition between media seemed foolhardy as it would be similar to crashing an airplane into a brick wall. Anyway, I think a better solution might be to use Wing-in-Ground-Effect craft for the "flight" portion of the trip. Such "flarecraft" skim the wavetops which will make it naturally difficult to detect by radar. I'm guessing RAM and anti-detection geometry can fit it well too. Most designs are waterborne so it may not be a big deal to make them submersible, especially since the design studies have looked into heavy designs that can carry cargo or serve as ferries. Moreover, I think "flarecraft" could be useful for fleet defense and for the USMC. Some could be outfitted with missiles (SAM, SSM, ASM, IRBM?) or even torpedoes and used for radar and/or sonar picket duty or (if also submersible) to lay in wait for an approaching target. Other designs could be outfitted for use by the USMC for beach assault and support, with some designs used as landing craft and other designs acting as gunboats (armed with heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars, assault guns or ATGMs and MANPADS) like an AC-130 that flies back and forth along the beach.

@matthewkubinec1620

11 ай бұрын

The G.I. Joe character was named Deep Six and the vehicle was the S.H.A.R.C.

@kmech3rd

11 ай бұрын

​@@matthewkubinec1620 I remember there were two back attachment points on the bottom for divers. I can't imagine their lifespan being super long when it came time to hit the water.

If they admitted it's possible in 2010, it has 100% been made and used I garuntee it

@jtjames79

11 ай бұрын

I've been wanting to make one for myself for years. If you're willing to concede that it's terrible at both, it's entirely possible. With modern batteries and electric motors, it wouldn't be that difficult. Particularly if it's an open type wet sub. Fun fact, some types of airo propellers work perfectly fine in the water because of all the torque of an electric motor. I bet that a toroidal type optimized for flight could more than sufficiently serve double duty.

@doujinflip

11 ай бұрын

Likely as a demonstrator, maybe not yet in operational service due to the engineering challenges of dramatically changing media from air to ocean and back.

The Ekranoplan seems like a feasible existing design that could be modified for below surface travel. Speed, payload size, low profile, etc. I can imagine engine changes that accommodate underwater operation, and the vehicle having a pressurized cab, and any necessary deploy needs or pods etc.

A semi-submersible might be more what is possible. A stealthy mast/air intake for cruising along like those dolphin shaped seadoos. An airborne sprint mode like an ekranoplan, and an hour or two of full immersion time while on target. The design would probably rely on the wings for buoyancy/depth control while submerged and for the plaining cushion while sprinting.

@crypto091

11 ай бұрын

This seems a lot more feasible as a bridge between the two styles until technology catches up for full air/sub vehicle

@JoeOvercoat

11 ай бұрын

that’s a most excellent idea particularly in the context of land-based radars being limited by their horizon and overhead radars limited by sea clutter.

Thank you for sharing 🎖️🏆🙏🤗🇺🇲

Great stuff as always. They should give you a major award.

@DARisse-ji1yw

11 ай бұрын

Maybe a lamp ?

@RobertLegereIII

11 ай бұрын

A beautiful lamp in the shape of a lovely ladies leg!!!

@DARisse-ji1yw

11 ай бұрын

@@RobertLegereIII Zactly ! ... from Italy !

Excellent subject, Alex !

When or will they offer an active insulated wet suit. A suit which could be semi integrated into the sleds system lessening fatigue from cold till they reach their target disconnecting doing their work and returning to it's security and warmth from the vehicles system. I can see this eventually coming to fruition when solid state batteries become common place with high energy density as it would lessen weight and increase abilities doing so. So, Alex I seem to remember a not to long ago story about a fast maneuverable mini sub that resembled a Manta Ray. I don't remember if it had a military bent, but think it may have any thoughts on it or if you know of same?

Flooded wings and hull with only a small part being pressurized would make it difficult but doable.

I the 90's, through an SBRI proposal, I submitted a concept for a ground effect/hydrofoil, it didn't submerge, but it did meet all of the other requirements stated in the report.

I've been waiting for the first video from Aerospace Writer of the Year nominee Alex Hollings

It's possible the designs are "ekranoplan" ground-effect aircraft. As those are more efficient than regular aircraft. Plus ekranoplan designs fly under radar at 3m-20m, so would be naturally stealthy.

But is it a flying submarine - or a diving plane?

@Meat_Demon

11 ай бұрын

Its a trans-medium exfiltration transportation entity.

@defective6811

11 ай бұрын

As an idiot on the internet, i feel qualified to suggest that they should be flying submarines, since submarine design and operations seem to be the best corellary to how spaceships can and maybe initially _should_ work. And if you wanna really go baller, have your flying submarine be able to take its pressure vessel to space also. All dem hoes love space shit. Musk drowning in it.

@ddegn

11 ай бұрын

It's a diving plane. As pointed out at the end of the video, it's easier to get an airplane to submerge than to get a submarine to fly.

@happykiwi

11 ай бұрын

"The dive bomber" 🗿

@Cyrribrae

11 ай бұрын

​@@ddegn at first I was like why?? But thinking about it more, I guess that actually does make sense. Easier to make a light thing watertight than it is to take a heavy thing airborne.

Does anyone remember the Soviet Ekranoplan? Some scaled-down versions might be a happy medium, using today's more efficient electric motors and super-strong composites could help with the weight and it wouldn't have to get too far out of the water in case of any number of force-down scenarios, and prep time from sub to just off the surface of the water would have to be quicker and it'd help with the radar signature being just off the deck. It'd also help as far as fuel to get it airborne. Another big plus is the bigger the craft the more efficient the lifting apparatus becomes. I just think it'd be worth a look.

I always thought those "cigar" shaped ufo's could easily just be a submarine in flight mode. Either way, this would explain the reasoning behind why the US would spend billions of dollars just on one ship. It could traverse both underwater, air and space.

Thanks. Fine work as ever. Congrats on that award nomination. Cheers again.

Did you mention on the oxygen reserve and black box locator just in case there is a mishap?

Very interesting concept and well put together.

Gliders or even ground effect craft, with submersible functionality, could be a good starting point. Remember that a submarine of this type need not be either armoured or very depth capable. For example, the fibreglass subs used by the Colombian drug runners.

Back in my day, we’d swim seven miles in and seven miles out. Ok, I’ve never had my day lol. I’m not over confident i can swim to the other end of an Olympic pool. I Guess i never thought about how these heroes get to the shore aside from one of those fast inflatable-looking boats. Makes sense. Great video

If you look at the stuff that was the precursor to Sea Shadow, you can see what looks like a blended wing plane turned into a submarine. As the original idea was for a stealth sub rather than a stealth ship. Nothing but some studies came from that initial idea, apparently the stealth came at the cost of a significant reduction in speed (iirc Sea Shadow was a totally separate proposal that was based on that initial one). I really cannot help but think of that within the context of this video.

Many credible reports of USOs, maybe there are prototypes out there already. US NAVY has some pretty crazy patents.

If you ask some people they already had hypersonic trans-medium capability in 2004, and were testing it around unwitting carrier strike groups and never debriefing the pilots or radar operators who encountered it.

@trumptookthevaccine1679

11 ай бұрын

Lol yeah you just ask people and they tell you highly classified data… could you please report them to DOD? They’re a walking security breach.

@DaydreamNative

11 ай бұрын

@@trumptookthevaccine1679 I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I'm referring to the 2004 Nimitz incident.

I believe it was the USS John Marshall in 1986 when I was working on a sub tender. Multiple times I've seen their mini sub mounted on deck. Rumor was it was for Seal activities.

No matter how bizarre concepts like this are- and there are many- I have to wonder just how utterly bananas that some of the classified stuff is😮! This is somewhere between operation Mincemeat and Space Battleship Yamato on the 'Bonkers Scale'... (I see a Dr Strangelove-esque guy saying: "Its so crazy it just might work!"... and the nutty thing is that that is a true statement, imho!)

Would this be a ground effect aircraft? What would be the intended operating altitude and service ceiling?

Clips from the sixties sci-fi series, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" would have been perfect...that series had the coolest flying sub.

There was a video recently that had a shiny triangle come out of the water and fly past a passenger jet. I think either CBC or cnn had the video from a passenger. I did not really pay attention on it as triangles have been coming out of the water by Brazil since at least the 1970s. There is a beach that is like the black mailbox, a place we went in the 1980s and I guess people still go there to watch for things. There is a lot of lightening on the beach.

"I'm Alex Hollings and this is Sea Power" 😂😂😂

Do they? Man I hope so, I wanna see this.

I remember reading about some sort of Australian scientists or military that where working in propulsion tech that can both operate in air and underwater. I cant recall where it was i read it

That would be the absolute coolest thing I’ve ever heard and I am sure we are close or already have one or more.

What really comes to mind is that Navy UFO videos. Where there filming through some kind of night vision and the object is above the ocean then the guy filming calls out splash down. It's probably nothing but it is pretty crazy.

What was that early 60's show that had the weird deep diving sub an the flying sub ???

We could fill a "Narco-Sub" with Lithium batteries and use our new (soon) C-130 "pontoon variant" to land on water and launch the fiberglass narco sub, off of the cargo ramp, while afloat (same, in reverse, for recovery) .. The sub can be flooded (but sealed) and the internal seawater could be retained and recirculated, while being heated (even the small temperature difference, between "freezing "and "merely cold", may make all the difference). Supplemental rebreather "refill cartridges" could extend the breathable air supply.

If they made this today, I feel like the design would abandon the requirement for crew operators and all the stuff about exfil in favor of self driving/remote driving capability. That would surely increase the operational flexibility by quite a lot. You can stay submerged and undetected for weeks if needed.. Right? Hell, you could replace those people with oxygen machines/concentrators to quietly or even passively regenerate it while waiting. Again, increasing range and flexibility greatly, if needed. But I'm not an engineer haha. This is certainly a cool idea. Wonder how much stuff like this will come into play in a conflict amongst the islands of the pacific.

@NickSteffen

11 ай бұрын

Water is really bad for radio waves, so remote control would likely be impossible. It would need to be fully autonomous. The only use case I can think of is more of a long-range torpedo that starts out flying and dives to avoid missile defense. The main reason for this thing though is to deliver Seals, they can do things that a drone could never even come close to doing. Basically it has no reason for existing without them. Also Since fully autonomous underwater drones have better range since the don't have people the flight requirement isn't necessary

@Cyrribrae

11 ай бұрын

@@NickSteffen Right, good points. I'm not saying to replace the 4 SEALs doing the mission, just the 2 sitting in the sub waiting 3 days for them to come back... Yea. probably mostly autonomous. Not sure how good drones are at littoral missions, though, yet. Those can be choatic environments. You might be also able to get away with some general instructions via low frequency sound. At least to communicate a "return" command or a new set of coords, for example.

@NickSteffen

11 ай бұрын

@@Cyrribrae I’m wondering if a semisubmersible vehicle (think drug smuggling submarine) is just better for this all around. Those seem to make it thousands of miles while staying undetected. That might be a better option for these types of missions.

Thanks Alex.... Shoe🇺🇸

Back in the 80's, there was an experimental department, headed by the eggheads of the Navy and Airforce. The project weirdly enough was designated "Advanced Aerofoil Transport and Intelligence Platforms". Maybe that is really AATIP? Who knows.

Being crammed inside one underwater for up to 72 hours as a pilot, waiting for your four team mates to return , would be torture. Plenty of time for the pre flight check though.

The Flying Sub first appeared in 1965 on the TV series Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

Is this video about the "UFO Flying Around Navy Ship Near San Diego" video we got to see a couple of months ago?

I have designed a submarine that looks similar to a fighter jet that can "fly" underwater and breach from the water to also "fly" into the air at high velocities. The concept involves moving up to 100 mph under water at depths of less than 250 feet. Similar to a fighter jet, the sub is controlled by a similar flap and tail design that allows precise control under sea or in fresh water. The sub then can obtain these speeds to breach the surface jettisoning the ballasts and fly into the air up to 1000 feet using an air speed velocity of just under the speed of sound while carrying a full sized armed load and equipped with 20 mm cannons and torpedoes that can be fired underwater and from the air.

Navy SEALs at Virginia Beach watching “Escape From New York” followed directly by “Escape From L.A.” thinking “we gotta get these things”. At the same time, a short drive away, at Pax River Maryland, the nerdy US NavyTest Pilots and engineers are watching the same thing. But they know it’s just a live action cartoon.

And this is a great example of why I am voting for you this awards.😊

The turbofan engines will require some careful selection of materials and coatings for the operating environment.

I was expecting it to be an air deployed glider, that would save its batteries for the last few miles to shore and the long trip back to international waters for pickup by naval vessel or helicopter

As I see it, they don't need to fly up in the sky. I think a ground effect vehicle would work very well for this concept.

Do we have air\land\water drones? Good stuff!

Unmanned Drone launching catapults on the tops of submarines would be cool, since they are long anyway and the drones are cheap, could be used for reconnaissance or dive bombing etc.

"Flying sub ahoy!" -Marine Boy Theme. My thoughts on topic? Aircraft are highly specialized, as you pointed out. So are submarines. A single vehicle that tries to be both is going to be worse at submarining and flying than any purpose built platform. If you're flying through the air to get somewhere you want to submerge, why not be carried as underwing stores by a suitable bomber or transport? Consider it from my perspective. You want a vehicle that both flies AND is stealthy AND functions nominally as a submersible insertion boat. And is likely to fail in all three categories. Why? To put it simply: too many cooks spoil the soup. I would examine the wide paradigm and consider which existing vehicular design team is most likely to provide what you need. Only one industry can do it-the space industry. How would it do it? I dunno. But dealing with extraordinary stresses while maintaining low weight fractions in structure and services is what the space industry does.

There's a quadcopter drone called the kraken that uses its propellers to both swim and fly.

This seems like a good application for a ground-effect craft

A submersible ekranoplan would make more sense. They use ground effect so don't need a great deal of wing lift and can be heavier. Yes, flying but just off the surface. You can still get aircraft speed.

Yes. I've tripped on one if those

i wonder if that would work with a hydrofoil design. like a mini caspian sea monster

I have questions 😂 Obviously, one is "how calm would the sea need to be?"

This would be awesome. I'm just suggesting they make the Seaview first.

Sounds like this was an ecranoplan that flies in ground-effect low to the water so it would get more lift. a cool idea if that is what it was.

Anti-gravity thrust projectors and perfect for this application.

Or maybe use a quadcopter drone type of setup to drop and deliver the submersible, two separate vehicles working together then independently.

And here I thought we all lived in a yellow submarine.

@JoeOvercoat

11 ай бұрын

I guess someone has to like the bad guy, and apparently it’s me as I have a sudden need to watch a clip about…Glove.

When I read the title of this segment on a thumbnail the first thought I had was, " i really hope so." The second thought was, " I hope it's even more outlandish than I imagine." The third thought, "type a comment about the great title."

So aircraft don't get crushed aside from the cabin and fuel tanks if you have flexible tanks and a porous cabin that won't get crushed either, the problem is expelling all the water so you can take off and having an engine that doesn't mind getting wet

Tic Tac shaped UFO’s seen by navy fighter pilots were said to have travelled from 80 thousand feet to sea level plus also move underwater and since none of the higher ups in the chain of command seemed surprised they just might have known about this black project mentioned in this here video. Kinda makes perfect sense in hindsight. Need to know basis stuff. 🤔

oh come on man, just use those saucer thingys. hehehehe

Japan also had massive subs that carried 2 or 3 planes and large naval guns.

The requirements for such a concept seems like it would be similar to those needed for passenger spacecraft.

I did wonder if the vehicle was an actual plane or just a WIG, as a WIG could do all the same things and speed as a plane without having to climb very high. Of course a WIG might have problems in a heavy sea state.

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea was more than 50 years ago the usefulness of a flying sub is fair clear but cost would be a factor. Unidentified Submerged Objects reported may be such a seal subs

I cant help but notice the similarities to the submersible plane in the incrredibles

It seems like the reason for terminating the F-22 Raptor production after only 186 units were built has to be due to advancements on another platform..? The progress and advancements being so significant that putting money into an already obsolete unit wasn't feasible... Even tho The Raptor was/is state of the art, it doesn't hold a candle to what is coming down the pipeline.. Terminating production abruptly and secretively helps shut off potential top secret/classified weapon systems, materials and any other development advancements about the Raptor development and production getting stolen. inevitably just closing America's gap on our dominance of air superiority... I wouldn't be surprised if some of the systems in the Raptor aren't used in the next gen fighter...

I can only imagine what would happen to a aircraft fuselage when it tried landing at smashed into a 20foot wave.. Also, they would be sitting ducks when they pumped water in and out.. Im sure there are better solutions.. like HAHO jumps into the sea and diving in.. they fly from more than 30 miles when they do.. so if they belive the "flying sub" would be save until it reached 12 miles out, sure something would be save at 30 too then

I wouldn’t doubt some of these would be around. In a gap of over a decade, there was some forward thinking then, of fighting a near peer.

Anyone whose ever been diving in the open ocean knows even 20 minutes wet is absolutely bone shaking cold

I'd have to ask what the operational advantage over deploying from a conventional sub would be, unless the goal was to insert far up a river or lake where a sub could not go. Then there's the problem of taking off again. Getting up to flying speed is not something you're going to do quietly, and if the water is rough, forget it.

@udirt

11 ай бұрын

For one, you risk less. Strike team vs a whole sub

Must be enjoying that HAUC upgrade

An episode of Airpower featuring submersibles? Weird flex, but I like it!

Flying submarines have been around since I was a kid in the 1960s. I recall watching a documentary called "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea". It was about a nuclear powered submarine called the Seaview that could launch its own Flying submarine. The Flying Submarine was painted Yellow for some reason. It reminded me of a yellow stuffed crab with a round fan on top. Does anyone know if the Seaview and its flying submarine is still in service? There was another documentary back then called "UFO" that had submersible aircraft that launched from the front of a special submarine. There were a lot more UFOs back then than I can remember. These people destroyed a lot of the UFOs back then. I guess that is why I have never seen one to this day.

@ronboe6325

11 ай бұрын

Yup. Old news, the Seaview had one back in the 60's but I suspect Alex is not old enough to know about it. :^)

@DirtyBob2001

11 ай бұрын

That was the first thing I thought of, had the model as a kid.