I'm a revolver guy and I'll say this...when a revolver does jam it's usually catastrophic and game over whereas an automatic can usually be quickly cleared

@trollzone1

Жыл бұрын

To be fair lots where a semi auto might jam or have a malfunction every few hundred rounds a revolver won’t for several thousands of rounds. Most modern s&ws are crazy reliable revolvers. I’d trust it over a Glock or M&p.

@Milkman3572000

Жыл бұрын

@@trollzone1 My history.. Never has happened other than a 22lr revolver that needed cleaning. I am a S&W revolver guy. I love the Glock 20 but I prefer the 357 M.

@trollzone1

Жыл бұрын

@@Milkman3572000 yeah 90% of the time revolvers just need a cleaning. I’ve only seen issues with timing on very frequently used guns or guns that have been firing hot loads.

@exothermal.sprocket

Жыл бұрын

I'm a revolver guy too, and I'm sick and tired of cliches and overused words, such as the catastrophically overused catastrophic.

@MrVuicho

Жыл бұрын

​​@@trollzone1 Some are catastrophic I had a bullet creep forward on me and locked up my cylinder 😭. To be fair however it was a reloaded . 44 special wasn't crimped properly. Also I have had bulged primers on factory ammo, but here in Europe you buy what is available. Usually I will carry a gecko tm in my KSRH-2.

When I bought my first revolver I watched Barry’s video on revolver etiquette. That video had all the do’s and don’ts. I’ve been watching this channel since.

@kanonierable

Жыл бұрын

I well remember that video, Barry did a great job in explaining things in a plain, easily understandable way.

@tylermorrison7051

Жыл бұрын

Barry is missed.

@DaveTex2375

Жыл бұрын

Barry is a legend. He's the uncle we wish we had.

Rarely....but yes!!!

@cliffcorbitt9494

Жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for people's mother that bought them a revolver thinking it wouldn't J A M hahahahah

Went shooting with a buddy that had a hammerless revolver, and an internal linkage broke while a live round was in the firing cylinder. That gun was very jammed. Took a trip to a gunsmith to safe it and get it working again.

@12799MaDeuce

Жыл бұрын

Revolvers. Are. Not. Hammerless.

@wtfwhereami

Жыл бұрын

@@12799MaDeuce he meant a bobbed hammer, don’t be so pedantic.

@jmoney7289

Жыл бұрын

@@wtfwhereami might just be a 6 or 442 S&w maybe even a 638 both are completely pocket ready and you can use the 638 in double or single action would recommend

@mikeseier4449

Жыл бұрын

@@wtfwhereami He’s not being pedantic; He’s just telling the guy to know what he’s talking about.

@wtfwhereami

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeseier4449 be that as it may, bobbed revolvers are commonly referred to as hammerless. With this knowledge in mind, homie is being pedantic af, instead of being a bro and politely correcting OP.

I really appreciate Eric. After watching so many of his videos you can just tell he is a very well mannered, humble laid back person. He is always willing to hear others opinions that he brings on his videos. He doesn't come off as a egocentric self centered tough guy like I see so many others behave. It makes his content easy going and really intrigues me to watch more and more. Great socializing skills. Very enlightening vids.

Yes they do. I had an Alfa-proj .357, the spring that holds the cylinder release button/slide got dislodged after a piece of metal retainer snapped, it jammed the gun up and was unable to cock the hammer until I took the side plate off. I was shocked as it was only a few years new and only lightly used.

@zdravkonovosel122

Жыл бұрын

So factory error i think. I have Alfa Proj in .22lr over 10 years and after about 2000 rounds trough without issues.

@cokedaz

Жыл бұрын

@@zdravkonovosel122 Yes, likely a defect, still surprising.

@mse3700

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't sound like a firearm that jammed during normal use. What you're describing is a firearm that broke and as a result would not function properly.

@SuperEman500

Жыл бұрын

Really? How did cowboys cope with this setback? Since they of all people would have been affected the most.

@somethingtrulyhorrifying

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperEman500 The cowboys would often have more than one just in case. They maintained their smoke wagons, but in the rare event of a mechanical failure, it's basically useless until they take it to the gun smith or repair it themselves. Keep in mind they were using black powder cartridges since smokeless didn't come out until nearly the 1900s so frequent cleaning and maintenance were much more important in order to keep the wheel guns rolling smooth, otherwise problems would quickly arise from the fouling of the black powder.

And hence the utility of Paul Harrells videos. He can tell you what velocity to expect from every barrel length of every caliber.

Great video! I’ve experienced revolver malfunctions in the past and it’s not a fun fix

After 20+ years of Cowboy Action shooting…I’ve seen revolvers (especially Rugers) that “jam” from the base pin moving out of place under recoil…I always change out the factory base pin latch plunger spring with the wolf heavier spring to keep the base pin in place.

@Stevarooni

Жыл бұрын

Oof. Especially Rugers?

At least 20 thousand rounds and 7k on two . 357 magnum Ruger Gp100 6 inch barrels. Never had s single failure. Take care of them, they take care of you.

I've only had one that I've put a serious round count through through model 19 classic. I've only had one issue with it, and it was maintenance related.. shooting titegroup handloads around 1200 before breakdown. The cylinder started ceasing due to carbon buildup in the cylinder. But a clean revolver I've never had an issue with

Years ago, I had a 454 Casulll that I would handload for. After switching to a different die, I mis-crimped a box of rounds. When firing, the recoil was enough to slowly pull the bullets out of the case. After the 2rd round, it pulled far enough to jam up the revolver, which was probably more dangerous then I realized.

@dangercloseprotocol

Жыл бұрын

I had the same issue. The bullet came out of the casing just enough for it to hit the frame and prevent the cylinder for rotating.

Good information. There are pros and cons to every type of firearm. I carry a Smith & Wesson model 38 lightweight AKA Bodyguard when I'm out mowing and anything else around the house. When I'm out I carry a PSA Dagger and occasionally The Bodyguard with it. The only jam I ever had with a revolver were reloads which were using improper powder was used and didn't completely burn. and got jammed in the gun, but commercially made ammunition is been 100%.

I had a Ruger SP101 that "jammed" - the cylinder gap was cut too tight, and dirt building would cause the cylinder to bind and lock up the gun

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

Shooting dirty ammo, especially 22 can easily cause that problem. Always good to have a range brush with dirty ammo in any gun.

@Isaac_5.56x45

Жыл бұрын

Same issue here with my GP100 357

@12799MaDeuce

Жыл бұрын

@Crimson Snow Indigo 🇺🇲 In this case, it was definitely dirt buildup. Wiping it clean would resolve the issue. My local 'smith opened it up a couple thou and made sure the cylinder face was perfectly flat.

@12799MaDeuce

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjohnson1633 This was actually .38/.357, even with jacketed ammo.

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

@@12799MaDeuce dirty jacketed ammo. It's USUALLY powder and pressure combinations. Longer barrels also maintain pressure longer and burn more powder, so that's also a consideration.

All firearms can jam however I noticed several responses in comments where a mechanical failure is at fault and there is a difference between a jam and a mechanical failure. A jam is normally a failure that can be cleared by the user. Revolvers are less subject to jams but as described in video a "manual of arms" or basically familiarity with your firearm is important.

@scooterbob4432

Жыл бұрын

I have never experienced a jam yet on my 30 years old Model 36-3" 38 Spl. I clean it right after I get home from the range.

Reminds me of an old one you and Barry covered sometime ago, revolver etiquette

357 in a 2 inch barrel is traveling faster than 9mm (in an average sized barrel) and is a bit heavier slug, it's no 10mm but there is significant improvement in ballistic energy, and 44 mag in a short barrel is more powerful than 10mm

@gunsgeorgia5500

Жыл бұрын

Not from the crono data I've seen.... .357 out of anything shorter than 6in is same fps or slower than 9mm.

@nickjenkins1663

Жыл бұрын

so G&G. What are the ballistics on a micro 9mil? is it like firing a 22mag??

@cavalieroutdoors6036

Жыл бұрын

@@nickjenkins1663 No, it's like firing a 9mm. Don't be ridiculous. Micro 9s have 3 inch barrels, with properly chosen ammo the round should still be travelling above 1,000 FPS or so.

@gunsgeorgia5500

Жыл бұрын

@@nickjenkins1663I am going to refer you to look at a video by Military Arms Chanel. He uses .357 and 9mm hand guns with as close to the same barrel length as possible. The results were interesting.

@r1sabotage

Жыл бұрын

@@gunsgeorgia5500 IDK what researched you've been seeing but .357 mag out of a snub out performs 9mm out of longer barrels...

Shooting a friends 44 Magnum Taurus, the cylinder started binding from fouling, once we stripped it and ran it through an ultrasonic cleaner it was fine, but I've also seen primers pushback and bind up against the frame, but that was due to some hot reloads and some old brass that was getting a little long in the tooth.

Another great video! I want that hat ! Met George Tripp in 99’ or 2000, great pedals too

I have a double action revolver that I handload for. 2 times it's got jammed when I close the cylinder because of primers not being seated deep enough. It won't spin and barely opens back up. After that I went through every round I loaded and felt each primer to make double sure that they were all flush and they were. I have 2 single action revolvers that have both broke and left them non functional until getting serviced. One had a hand spring break and the other had the transfer bar break off. My friend I shoot with had a bullet come out of the brass and stick out of the cylinder getting jammed at the forcing cone leaving his double action at about half cock n totally jammed. Those situations were all ammo issues except for the 2 broken single actions. Thanks for the great vids.

My first gun, a Smith & Wesson 686, stopped functioning shortly after I got it. I had to mail it back for a warranty repair.

@tedcollins4684

Жыл бұрын

My new s&w locked up after 26 shots, had to go to gunsmith to be cleared and was sent off for repair. Very disappointed. I doubt I will be keeping it or ever buying another.

Had my issue S & W lock up solid because of fouling / debris under the star during qualification. Had to hammer the cylinder to get it to open up. Used a brush and gun oil to clear the debris / unburned power between the star and the cylinder. Worked ok after that.

jammed up my python using some homegrown spicy reloads. recoil caused bullet to slightly unseat from the case protruding ever so much - would not let the cylinder rotate as it hit the tip of the bullet.

@scabcrawler632

Жыл бұрын

Probably a good thing

@kailua808

Жыл бұрын

@@scabcrawler632 yeah first batch testing with new dies

I'm glad to hear the pro and con of revolvers. I hear too often that they're infallible, but there's no such thing as a free lunch. Thanks Eric for your excellent content.

@lintlicker4178

Жыл бұрын

Anything can break

Paul Harrell did a presentation about the velocity loss in snubbies from CCW-size revolvers. Jam-o-Matics are vastly easier to remediate, jam all the time, to the degree that training on them involves practicing how to make it run when it gets hung up. Revolvers don't jam all that often, but when one does go down, it's down for the count; at best it's some bench time with screwdrivers, at worst it has to be sent somewhere. 20 years of shooting revolvers, I've only ever had one hiccup; .38 shooting ratshot and the pellet capsule stepped out of the case to bind the cylinder. I was lucky in that the remediation was to push it back into the case and continue. That wasn't even a jam; the gun did exactly what it's supposed to do and the ammo defecated on the duvet. For the lack of ammo capacity, really it comes down to one core concept for me; which do I shoot better? I'd rather have 5 rounds I can put where I want them every time rather than a wondernine with a 20rd capacity that I can't shoot worth a damn. I know too many who carry their fancy hi-cap Jam-o-Matic they struggle to use to keep 50% of their mag on a paper plate, slow fire, at 10 yards, and scorn me for carrying my 3" Taurus 85 that I can group all five on a paper plate at 20 yards. High stress "we've been attacked by the 501st Legion, Mobilize!" moment, the gun you can't hit with under zero stress is going to be 100% useless even if it holds 50 boxes of ammo.

I’ve had it happen so the answer is yes. Some of the powder was blowing back and lodging between the extractor star and the cylinder. This would gradually cause the cartridges to not seat completely although it wasn’t very obvious from looking because they were all seated the same. This caused the case head to press up against the frame and prevent the cylinder from rotating.

That little nub sticking up from the bottom of the frame is the cylinder locking lug, the hand is located in the rear of the frame that engages the ratchet machined into the back of the cylinder to rotate the cylinder to index the next round .

My first and only handgun at the moment is revolver. The only times I've had malfunctions is due to dirtiness. Sometimes if there's enough Gunk under the extractor star from shooting so many rounds it's physically impossible to move the ejector rod. Another way it can jam, is that the revolvers Chambers are dirty and the cartridges don't fully go into the chamber causing them to be sticking out by a millimeter or two. Causing the cylinder to be impossible to open or close or to even revolve. But nothing a little cleaning cant fix.

Excellent explanation. One of my benefits from using revolvers is learning better trigger control. Appreciate your show.

According to my manual, that part is called a "bolt" or also "cylinder stop" and the "hand" is the part that pushes up from the back of the frame to engage with the cylinder in order to turn or "revolve" the cylinder. I am not an expert and I asking more so than telling. Great video! My single action revolver, btw, has jammed on me. A spent case will back out a tiny bit and bind things up.

Yes they do ! Or rather can. In qualifying years ago in law enforcement and during night course my S&W model 66 jammed ! Turned out to be a high primer and it locked it up ! Cylinder would not turn. Didn’t realize you should run your thumb over the rounds loaded or rotate the cylinder to make sure cylinder would rotate fully. Have a Blessed Day !

YES! I watched my buddy try to work a S&W .44 revolver with me at my range and it went 100% inoperative after he shot it thrice. Turned out to be something to do with a few different parts.

Yes they absolutely can, which is why you need to buy quality revolvers and ammunition and learn how to maintain and use the handgun, and what to do in case they malfunction.

@ftdefiance1

Жыл бұрын

My academy class of forty trained with revolvers exclusively. We fired thousands of rounds without an issue. That said the weapons were kept meticulously clean and inspected by trained armors.

Learned this lesson early on with my 44 magnum Model 29-2! Loaded some pretty spicy rounds with some H110, and on my 3rd shot, the cylinder was locked up! Rounds weren’t crimped enough, and the bullet had popped out just enough to stop the cylinder. Went home and recrimped the rest!

@k_enn

Жыл бұрын

That is not the problem of the gun. That is the problem of the ammunition you used. Sounds like it homeloads and the result of your failure to properly crimp the cartridge. Can't blame that on the gun or its design.

@johnknouse8846

Жыл бұрын

@@k_enn never blamed the gun. Just stated a lesson I learned early on!

@C4AJ

Жыл бұрын

Yep did the same with my S&W 500 mag and I thought I crimped them good enough but no you really really need to crimp it hard af lol...

Awesome vid and really informative

I've had several failures with revolvers. The firing pin became embedded in the primer and locked up the hammer, trigger, and cylinder. Also, a bad hand load with no powder once jammed up my revolver because the primer was able to produce enough pressure to push the bullet out of the brass case and into the forcing cone. At that point, the cylinder was locked up.

I bought a new ruger super Blackhawk thay had transfer bar problems right out the box.would not rotate the cylander in time.they fixed it with no issues but you can have problems with recolvers.great video and thanks for your service!!!

I have a early model 10 smith 5" slim and loaded hot with no crimp and never had problems, and a old colt trooper 6" with no issues, but I clean often. The smith with 200 grn led round nose made in the 50tys 60tys Winchester Western are at the edge of the calendar, best 38 ammo ever made.

"Cowboying the cylinder" even more likely damages the crane (and pin), which can completely jam up the cylinder when you try to fire. It throws the cylinder off and makes the revolver unreliable.

@trollzone1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is true. I take what KZreadrs say with a grain of salt. It’s mostly for entertainment.

Once had a single action army jam the action up because of a jacketed soft point round after being fired the brass expanded out so much it locked the cylinder from rotating with still other live rounds in the cylinder. Had to get a gunsmith to disassemble it safely.

I was shooting some very old reloads and had a slow burner one time. The primer detonated but the powder was old and must of got wet or damp where the powder burned but too slow and caused the case to swell inside the cylinder jamming the gun. We had to take the cylinder off and use a brass punch to slowly drive the round back out of the chamber.

I've broken bolts on the Italian Reproduction SAA after shooting them a lot a reason why I shoot Ruger Blackhawks now. I have a S&W 686-2 that over several hundred rounds I've noticed cylinder end shake developing. My favorite revolvers are the S&W model 1950 in 45 ACP and the 610 in 10mm with moon clips they are a lot of fun to shoot and reload very quickly.

Revolvers hold up to neglect Semi-autos hold up to abuse Can't put a semi-auto in a sock drawer for 20 years and have it work right the day you need it.

@athappyhiker

Жыл бұрын

Who says you can’t put a semi-auto away for a long time and expect it to work? That’s bs. Mags can stay loaded for decades with no problems. Everything else in the pistol is in a static state and will work fine.

@knobjob2839

Жыл бұрын

I'm not talking about magazines. I mean the actual pistol. Oil drys, dust accumulates etc, and a semi-auto is much more likely to jam under those conditions. It will most likely fire the first couple rounds fine, but it won't run the way it was designed.

@athappyhiker

Жыл бұрын

@@knobjob2839 odd, I've taken a 1911 that was stored in a footlocker for literally 50 years, popped a loaded mag into it and it fired 100% fine. I've also taken numerous semi-auto pistols that I've had in bug out bags for 5 - 10 years and fired them perfectly fine with no new lube or cleaning.

@jaxfernandez3684

3 ай бұрын

@@knobjob2839I had a Glock in storage for 17 years, and it fired just fine (with the old ammo stored in the magazines). The ammo was even oxidized: not a single malfunction. In fact, they ran better than some new rounds.

@knobjob2839

3 ай бұрын

You know that's the exception, not the rule. Old ammo is loaded hotter than new ammo for sure though.

I was at the range with my Ruger LCR in .38 special shooting S&B lead round nose ammo. The recoil from the pistol caused the cylinder to act like a bullet puller. The nose of the bullet stuck out far enough to lock up the cylinder and stop the gun completely.

Great video, love the shirt!

This video brings back many great memories of the ‘Revolver Etiquette’ video Barry and you put together a while ago. It was only the third episode of Gun Gripes, but it still puts a smile on my face🙂 Love and respect from The Netherlands ❤️🇳🇱 Edit: People should really check out that ten year old gem 👌🏾

@Seryous

Жыл бұрын

Every time I watch a video, I always hear Eric say " Welcome back, this is Eric and Barry with IraqVeteran8888". :( Miss that man.

@Isaac_5.56x45

Жыл бұрын

I love that video as well, I always find myself reprimanding people whenever I see them swing a revolver cylinder closed quickly.

@arrived63

Жыл бұрын

Barry brought a freshness and earthy look at firearms. Much missed

@ismarwinkelman5648

Жыл бұрын

@@Isaac_5.56x45 Like Barry once said: 'No need to cowboy' 😎

@Isaac_5.56x45

Жыл бұрын

@@ismarwinkelman5648 good quote

Yes had a model 66 ejector rod walk out while cocking the revolver. Was young had no idea what was wrong. Called two old gunsmiths and they diagnosed it right away. Drove across town to my place with the gun half cocked over a 125 gr round. No cell phones back then

I've been carrying a S&W 640 357mag appendix. Apparently I have acid for sweat. I was going to do my weekly dry fire practice. Loaded the snap caps and nothing. The action inside was rusted. No visual indication on the outside of the gun. I had been wiping it nightly with a oil rag. Took both index fingers and a couple expletives to get the trigger to move. It stayed to the rear. I had to manually push the trigger forward. Yes revolvers jam. When they do you better have another gun or you just lost.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Жыл бұрын

your auto would have done what?

@charlessalmond7076

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjones-bt9bh perhaps your a little slow so ill type it again. I carry a S&W 640 357mag. Revolver. What I didn't type in my first comment was I also carry a back up. NY reload. If my primary fails for any reason I drop it and draw my back up. Same training with a auto. I don't tap, rack, bang. I drop, draw, go to work.

Auto-loaders jam more frequently, revolvers jam more catastrophically. Hence the saying, when a semi-auto jams you need another magazine, when a revolver jams, you need another gun.

I still have my Smith & Wesson 10-5 snub nose with the 2 inch barrel such a classic revolver I'll never sell it. That was my first ankle backup gun but I retired it for the Sig 938 & now I carry the Sig 365 for my backup.

Yes I have had 2 revolvers jam, both needed tools to tighten the ejector rod. Cylinder would not rotate or open.

Had a revolver jam up 3 times in the 1st time I took the brand new snub nose to the range. Shout 150 rounds of 38, 38+p, and magnums (50 each). Cylinder gap was getting dirty and locked it up.

Oh, most certainly! Had a singular copper bristle from a bore brush get under the extractor on my S&W 686 duty revolver. Luckily, I discovered the problem. Also had an old S&W Model 19 with a slightly sprung crane due to that Hollywood 'sling-it shut'. It was good for two rounds and then....

@tomsherwood4650

Жыл бұрын

YEa I forgot crud under the ejector issue. Just make sure it seats flush I guess.

I had my S&W 351 PD 22mag jam consistently after the first round and was getting ready to ship it back to S & W when I tried the same Sellier & Bellot ammunition in my CZ512 and the same jam occurred after the first round

I actually dealt with that issue of my cylinder not rotating when I shot some 44 special hollow tips out of my 44 magnum, I thought she was broken and was beyond pissed off. I dumped out the last three rounds and ran some 44 magnum underwood 240 grain and she cycled 18 rounds no problem expect my hand hurting from seeing if my gun was broken. Needless to say I want be running cheap ammo through any of my guns anymore.

Any mechanical device can malfunction, including revolvers. Hell, even a flintlock musket can fail. I agree with your point on reload times...that's why I'm working hard to master my new .38. It's a very different weapon from my automatics.

@sulaco2122

Жыл бұрын

Estimates I have seen say that the old flint locks misfired about 50%.

@Schwarzvogel1

Жыл бұрын

@@sulaco2122 Indeed, it's where the phrase "flash in the pan" originated and entered common parlance. I do wonder if a lot of those misfires were simply due to wet/degraded/poorly mixed and formulated propellant, though. After all, when flintlocks and muzzle loaders were state-of-the-art weapons, the Industrial Revolution was still in its infancy and quality control in production was nothing like it was today.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Жыл бұрын

ASP has 1000s of gun use videos. Reloads...ONCE? EVER? Reloading is the most bullshit thing ever. This is NOT COD

Revolver jams that I run into..... 1 cylinders holes are dirty--casings either stick or wont load 2 casing jumps under the extractor --especially for .22 when dirty ---see above 3 whole cylinder binds from heat or dirty 4 bullet jumps crimp and slides forward binding cylinder---especially true of "auto cartridge" revolvers 5 primer blows or not seated properly and binds cylinder in rear 6 general dirt, lint, or rock binding cylinder between frame 7 same as 6 but in hammer mechanism 8 moon clip is bent 9 hitting the ejector rod too hard and it bending these have all happened to me using ruger da revolvers of all models, smith da revolvers of all models, ruger models of sa variety my Ruger LCR .22 about 2k rounds a month and will get a combo of failures 1 and 2 every 500 rounds or so depending on ammo

The last time I took my (clean but seldom used) revolvers to the range they BOTH jammed. I was doing double-action shooting...firing every 2 or 3 seconds with a small Rossi and a small Taurus. The ammo was not the most expensive. So I bought another revolver and next time I will try all 3 with the same ammo.

Okay, Eric, I'm going to have to disagree with you a little about the "cowboying," the cylinder, and what happens. First, that nub is called the cylinder stop, not the hand. The hand is the part that connects with the ratchet face on the extractor and advances the cylinder. (modern revolvers.) Second, the cylinder stop is spring loaded and its purpose is to stop counter rotation on the cylinder so that it does not roll backward out of time. So the cylinder stop will simply depress when the curved face of the cylinder encounters it, and click back up when it comes to a stop relief cut. Note that the stop cuts are ramped so that the stop can slide out of them as the cylinder advances in the proper direction. That's actually in case the internals fail to pull the stop down when you pull the trigger in double action, or thumb cock it in a single action. (See Mark Novak for examples.) Now you are correct in that one of the possible nasties that can happen when you cowboy a cylinder shut could be that it damages the end of the hand. However, if your hand is sticking out of the frame face then you may have other problems or you might not want to be playing with the trigger or hammer while closing the cylinder. The big thing that happens is F=ma over time wreaking havoc with the crane (sometimes called the yoke) and the center pin and carousel (Extractor.) It can also cause the back strap to bend ever so slightly. All of this will not just throw the revolver out of time but can cause the cylinder to bind in the frame. Think of it like a tire out of round on a car you see them on the road and the tire is waging and wiggling left and right. The cylinder is doing the same thing inside the window of the frame and if bad enough it can as you shoot the revolver and it gets hot and the metal expands a few thou cause it to seize up against the frame or the forcing cone. I've seen a Dan Wesson 357 Magnum with a bent crane and frame from just that sort of shenanigans. What's worse the "smith," who worked on it decided to mill a bit of the face of the cylinder off instead of correcting the frame or replacing it and the crane. The weapon failed finally cracking the back strap just above the barrel and causing the barrel to point down at a noticeable angle after a brilliant flash and raining bits of lead on everyone left and right of the shooter.

@mochajohnson4780

Жыл бұрын

This is spot on. I was going to respond with something similar, and you just saved me a lot of time. Thanks!

@tylersmith839

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct.

for many years i could only get remington lead bullets for my 44 spl Rossi.After the first shot some of the others would work forward out of the casing causing the nose to catch on the frame and not let the cylinder rotate.Better ammo solved the problem.

I have a Colt Metropolitan that will only shoot certain ammo in which after 2 to 3 rounds will cease to function as the fired brass will expand and prevent the cylinder from turning. I found out it did this after practicing for Qual to use it for my duty weapon. I had only fired it slowly and on single action as described. I put it back in the safe and bought a GP100 and put a Wilson spring kit and polish job on it and it's up there with the best wheel guns I've ever shot

Years ago, I witnessed a 38 J-frame completely jam up. The problem was loose primers in factory reloads from an outfit on the east coast. The primer popped out a little and the cylinder would not move at all. The poor guy had a difficult time freeing it up. Unfortunately, he didn't understand the problem at first, so it happened again.

I had a piece of pocket lint jam a NAA .22 Mag. I pulled the the hammer back and pulled the trigger and the hammer didn’t move! I clean it more often now.

I would consider cylinder lock up as a jam as well. When I was breaking in my Taurus Public Defender, every other reload my cylinder was just glued to the frame. Eventually I got it working just fine, but sometimes running both shot shells and 45C, it happens more often. So also make sure your ammo suits your gun.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Жыл бұрын

The gun you have is junk. get a SW or Ruger

@BlueJayWaters

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjones-bt9bh why is it junk? And why spend $500 on a 38, or $600 on a 357 that's also polymer? My firearm is fine now, and it has a capability of firing 2 drastically different calibers, and one of those has a wide variety of ammo types. I realize that like all guns, certain ammo isn't as reliable. So I should not mix 45c and .410 in one cylinder. Otherwise it's fine

I once had a problem with a M66. One granule of Unique powder got underneath the star extractor when I ejected the empties. This caused the cylinder to be hard to close, and to rotate the cylinder I had to thumb the hammer and rotate with my off hand. I stopped and examined the cylinder, found the problem, kept going fine after that. Since that day, I've always pointed the muzzle straight up when ejecting, and never had a repeat of that problem.

My super light weight 45acp s&w did, it had so much kick it pulled the bullet and the 5&6 round pulled so far it jamed. I sold it. Steel 357 mag works grate.

Revolvers need the proper cleaning and ammunition to be reliable. I have seen revolvers used in Police service jam up. It’s not as easy to release a cylinder when the ejector rod is loose. This type of malfunction is not what you want in a real life and death situation. The other type of malfunction is the bullet jumping the crimp. This happens with hot reloads and revolvers that are lightweight.

I've had a revolver jam and a revolver not jam (hand jammed in the frame). Thankfully at the range.

I've had issues with my Chiappa Rhino locking up when slow pulling the trigger on dual action, it will get about 3/4 to 4/5 of the way through the pull and then it just won't go past that unless I let off the trigger and manually wiggle the cylinder. Never had that issue with any other revolver I've owned. Other than that I love the gun and trigger on single action.

I got my wifes first pistol as a S&W snubby .38. But we actually let her shoot one, then shoot an auto, etc. She wanted the revolver. (Arthritis in hands). I have since got her a compact 9mm and she likes it as well, but every once in a while goes back to her wheel gun.

@curtistignor3966

Жыл бұрын

Try a browning 380/1911.

I had a cylinder freeze up in a closet was loaded for protection for years corrosion in the extractor it was freed up with a good oiling . Inspect and clean annually ! 38 j frame

If you get mud or something on the cylinder, it can block it from moving, thus jamming the gun. Paul Harrell has a video where he demonstrates shooting various guns from a bed under a blanket, and I think he even managed to get some revolvers to jam. If someone grabs a tight hold of the cylinder, it can prevent you from firing in double action, similar to pushing the slide out of battery on an auto-loading pistol. The 1895 Nagant revolver can also jam without external forces at play.

If you like to play with seating lengths and long heavy bullets they can jam easily.

Especially cap and ball revolvers. Mine jams from fired caps all the time.

Yes. I was testing some hot reloads in my Ruger GP-100 and with one round the primer was pushed back pressed against the frame, preventing the cylinder from rotating or being opened. Again with some hot rounds, some of the casings expanded enough to press against the cylinder and it prevented the empty casings from being ejected. Massad Ayoob used to marked (back when most cops still carried revolvers) a rod to carry on your keychain that could be used to push out a stuck casing very quickly. As for speed loaders, there is a video of Massad Ayoob teaching the proper way to use a speed loader and he demonstrated that he could reload a revolver as fast if not faster than people can change a magazine in a semi-auto. I never achieved his speed, but I did get pretty damn fast using a speed loader.

Revolvers can definitely jam and in ways you wouldn't expect Found that out the hard way running an old taurus, my rugers are much nicer than the taurus I had but the same rules apply. I take care to clean under the extractor star and the chambers after a couple hundred rounds. If enough crud and carbon builds up under that extractor star it can bind up the entire action or make it impossible to shut properly because it pushes the star out of place just enough to cause a problem If the chambers aren't cleaned after hundreds rounds same thing, carbon build up can make loading and unloading a chore. Revolvers are the same as any other mechanical equipment, any debris or crud that keeps parts from moving or seating properly will cause issues

My favorite "range toy" is without a doubt is my 1858 Remington reproduction Sheriff (5 1/2in barrel) with the .45 Colt conversion cylinder!!! It's just fun, as are my 8in barrel 1858, 1860 Colt, and Colt 1849. reproductions.

using steel case tulammo in a 38 snub 2 rounds into 5 rounds the case split and jammed the cylinder solid. it took some work to get it open ,just to get the case out .

My competition gun, Smith & Wesson 357mag 627 V-comp jammed when i didn't clean it after putting over 1000 rounds through it. It was filthy and just gummed up. Once cleaned it was all back to normal and never jammed agained. Probably put 15k rounds through it now.

@tomsherwood4650

Жыл бұрын

So does a dirty gun shoot better in competition or you just hate cleaning them?

@falco247

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@@tomsherwood4650 i was lazy and kept putting it off. After my first jam i went and cleaned it back to new. The jam was a fail to rotate and i couldn't squeeze the trigger hard enough to get through it, it just jammed up. Never let it get that dirty ever again and never had another issue.

9mm Ruger, Jammed twice on two cylinders of ammo. The recoil caused the bullets in the cylinder to unseat and the bullet slid forward and blocked the rotation.

That part is a cylinder stop or bolt (not a hand/the hand engages the slots on the ejector "star" and advances/rotates the cylinder into position).

I had my Ruger Redhawk cylinder not rotate because the reloads I was using had improperly seated primers.

My first day at the sheriff's academy range for training in 1979, handed a Colt Trooper Mark 3 and told to fire down range for familiarization. One round of .38 spl (didn't practice with .357 in those days), gun cylinder locked up tight and could not be opened or fired again. Returned to the armorer for repair.

Well all the years I worked on a ranch I had problems with autos loosing mags(always bumping into things, lifting things, working cows and the like)so just went back to revolvers never lost another mag.

I had a malfunction with a Taurus 605 where the cylinder locked up and I was actually only able to open it after banging it on the bench (in a safe direction, of course). I wonder if it was an ammunition issue like what you described. Regardless of the reason, it was an eye opener for me. Right now I'm carrying a revolver just because I don't get out to shoot much (money's tight and ammo's expensive), but I do like to dry fire; problem is I don't have the ability right now to replenish my self defense ammo if I have to rechamber the same round in an automatic over and over again each time I dry fire practice. With a revolver, I feel the risk of damaging the round through repeated rechamberings is extremely low in comparison. When I have more ammo on hand and can rotate my ammo I plan on carrying my Glock 43 with a Shield Arms mag.

I had a S/W 38 special jam on me once. It was dirty, and dirt had gotten into the "Hillary hole". I had to take it apart and clean the inside of the lock!

Yup, they do. Never had a smoke stack jam but a high seated primer locked one up pretty solid. I never use reloads not my own anymore.

My revolver for qualifying at the TDCJ academy actually broke during the last phase of shooting quals and I had to finish with the instructors revolver.

Revolvers can jam, but probability wise they’re far, far, far less likely than an autoloader having a FTF, FTE, stovepipe etc. So overall they’re more reliable, though autoloaders are reliable enough while having way more capacity, being easier to shoot, and easier to reload.

@nickjenkins1663

Жыл бұрын

an auto can be tricky in a jam or even a mag swap if you have an injured hand. all have good and bad. a lot of people think they will fire 100 rounds to fend off an attacker. and they will be cool headed as John wick while doing so. I say keep it practical and simple.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Жыл бұрын

look - if your auto jams in a gunfight, you're getting shot. A tap and rack is a great drill to practice and all that but we've ALL had FTFs that involved dropping the mag and a deliberate, 10s long process to shake that round out of the chamber. This nonsense must stop. Revolvers do not FTF

I've had an indexing failure on a s&w bodyguard 38. Started to pull the trigger, then backed off. Went to pull again and "jammed". They don't like partial trigger pulls.

Normally the revolver "hand" is the strut that effect the rotation of the cylinder. The device shown locks the cylinder in place at teh moment of firing and aligns the cylinder chamber with the barrel bore. That is the cylinder lock. It is tripped downward just as the cylinder is started to rotate. It is then released almost immediately so it can rise into the mating notch at the end of cylinder rotation.

I have had 357 and 44 mags bullets sometimes jiggle loose and jam up multiple times.

What you said about improper crimps has happened to me twice shooting reloads.

I just had my 357 snub jam today. Turned out to be a snapcap that broke the rim off and the "bullet" was lodged half in the barrel.

My Ruger Single ten and Super Blackhawk both had issues with the paw and cylinder causing the inability to cock the hammer. Never had issues with any Smiths I have owned.

You hit the nail on the head.

I have had jams where the extractor guide rod unscewed enough that the cylinder would not open on a J frame 442 and also on a K frame model 65. I had a .357 mag case that had a nick in it that made it around the frame to fire but after firing the nick pushed back and would not let the cylinder cycle again. Also on a .357 mag I had a primer rupture and hold onto the firing pin. The trigger didn't fully reset and the firing pin was held inside the primer. Pulling the hammer back manually did fix that and all was well afterwards. A guy at my range loaded a bunch of double ended wadcutter bullets into .357 cases and tried firing them in a 38sp revolver. The thicker .357 mag head jammed up everything. We ended up repeatedly whacking the cylinder with a piece of firewood while he held the revolver and pushed back the slide catch.

Yes. I have Webley 6 shot it's makes trouble sometimes may b it's old one know but truly it's never missed.

I bought a brand new Ruger SS Old Army cap and ball revolver back around 1980 and sometimes it would jam with the hammer in the half cock position and it was a royal pain to get it unjammed. The hammer would not move and the cylinder was stuck. I'd have to dissemble it to get it free.

I had a history of jamming my brand new Colt Trooper Mark III revolver in 1976 due to reloading ammo that causing me to remove ammo that strucked inside the barrel. I also blew up a cylinder of Ruger security six due to over pressure that caused the cylinder to flre up and the gun has to be replaced by the factory.