I come from Black Watch country, highland Perthsire in Scotland. This regiment has a history of excellence, fantastic fighting men with a a superb discipline, with or without a level playing field, this regiment would fecht anyone. They are MacGillvery's, Stewart's, MacFarline's, Robertson's, & all Perthshire clans, fantastic fighting men. They played on the lawns of the Whitehouse for president Kennedy & Jackie two weeks before Oswald assassinated him, & played their pipes at his funeral. They are not & never have been traitors, they are Scotsmen. The blood is strong! Alba gu bràth (Scotland forever) 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇸💙

@jamesrodden.1008

3 жыл бұрын

Aye well youll ken ma brithers then eh? lol Mick Rodden, Dennis Rodden and Eck Rodden...

@ZiGGi03

2 жыл бұрын

Scotland history tours does a great video on this

@lewisdean22

2 жыл бұрын

Just a pity the government has taken our regiments away and rebranded them something I don't recognize.

@alexandermenzies9954

2 жыл бұрын

You seem to have forgotten some clans mightily associated with the Black Watch. Think Aberfeldy, Weem and Glenlyon. Perhaps some castles in those areas may jog your memory. And what's with the ridiculous apostrophe after the clan names you listed? As for playing for Kennedy, hardly a highlight of BW military history!

@drrd4127

2 жыл бұрын

Omg! What the hell! I was literally born in bred in the shire that borders Perthshire so I can confirm Perthshire is not located in the Highlands! Are you sure you are from Scotland? If you are then the Highlands start to the west of Perthshire at Fort William and Loch Lomond up to Inverness, if you draw a light through those locations that kind of where the Highland border is.

I'm a former member of the Canadian Army's Black Watch regiment. Between what my unit and our mother regiment in the UK have done and sacrificed for the free world since World War One, I call these "concerns", if any, bollocks.

@SaorAlba1970

3 жыл бұрын

the UK will soon be over mate ... Scotland will soon be elaving our place is in the EU

@alvindurochermtl

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaorAlba1970 True story, before I was in the Canadian Black Watch I had served in another Scots regiment in Canada. Then bands of the UK's Coldstream Guards and the Queen's Own Highlanders came over for a North American tour and after they came over to our armoury for drinks. This was way back before the Queen's own was amalgamated or eliminated to form another regiment. Half way through our drinks, one of the jocks from Scotland came to me and said in utmost sadness and sincerity, "You boys and your regiments in the Commonwealth are what's keeping our military traditions alive. And as the mother country, we are ashamed." What are you supposed to say to that.

@SaorAlba1970

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvindurochermtl it's because our culture and language is being wiped out by London and the Unionist parties who have been trying to eradicate Scottish culture for over 3 centuries ... have you ever heard of the highland clearances where half the population of Scotland's people were driven from their 1000 year + ancesteral home in the Scottish Highlands & Islands because London saw them as a threat to their control over Scotland

@etherealhawk

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaorAlba1970 when in RECENT YEARS has Britain wanted to eradicate Scotland...?!

@expfcwintergreenv2.02

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service

I was born and raised in west Belfast in the 70’s and 80’s and soldiers of the Black Watch were much like any others. Some were kind to us children and some weren’t. They did nothing which made them stand out in a particularly negative or positive light. They were soldiers doing what they were told to do.

I was a National Service man in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. They wore the same tartan as the Black Watch. If I remember correctly the difference was that the Black Watch kilts had knife pleats whereas the Argylls had box pleats. Up to now I had no idea that some did not like the tartan!

@kevinhendryx665

10 ай бұрын

Just so! And at most times, the Argylls sett was woven in brighter colors.

I served in the Black Watch, my three brothers did also. As to steering clear of the completely stupid question posed I have to commend you both . Its ALWAYS wise to stay clear of subjects that one might not know much about. It is though exactly the type of questions I would expect to be posed to you both from those individuals. Im afraid most Scots (real ones ) wont be impressed. Im afraid this is an inherent problem, brought on by 'experts' on Facebook, You Tube, and other social media who all have an 'interest' in Scotland and for the most part have 'Scottish heritage" , which normally results in making money from it as well. I have no problem with that. What i do have a problem with are half baked 'historians'.

@drakinkoren

3 жыл бұрын

I've been recommended this video because I was looking up stuff on the Plaid / Great Kilt, I'm Scottish, and it's just weird down here in the comments. And that Campbell comment? Never heard of anyone disliking a Campbell for something hundreds of years ago!

@sapien82

3 жыл бұрын

anyone can talk aboot history , jist as lang is yer no haiverin PISH

@moddedkaine1427

3 жыл бұрын

@@drakinkoren as someone still living in scotland i can confirm that the campbells that stayed are still absolute wallopers

@JackBlack-cy1wp

3 жыл бұрын

Scotland doesn't even use a clan system anymore, like Japan, it got rid of it and cast it aside like the Reivers as an embarrassment, to end up modernising into an industrial powerhouse nation of commerce and technology, producing the finest rolling stock anywhere in the world, thanks to figures like John Knox in the Scottish reformation which ushered in the Scottish Enlightenment movement which eventually modernised the world beyond previous recognition as a result, the old clan system was what really held Scotland back throughout most of its history because warring against other rivals was devisive and held Scotland back as it was in as much of a war with itself as it was with waring against foreigners from other nations, so the whole 'don't trust Campbell' is seen as nonsense in modern day Scotland if it's even seen at all in the first place that is, because in reality, most Scots don't actually care about clans in general or ancestral obsession stuff so they're hardly going to care about that. Hm also speaking of which, that would actually make your heritage S.African, as 'heritage' means 'inheritance', as in what you inheret, like your native S.African nationality and ethnicity - which means the cultural component of ones nationality, which only someone born and bred of the land could gain. For example, the word 'Nation' relates to the word 'Native' which relates etymologically to the term 'Nationality'. Your native S. African accent would also be part of your official ethnicity for example. Most Yanks and other foreigners claiming Scottish ancestors actually have Reiver ancestry, but the Reivers never considered themselves Scottish or English because they were outlaws from the land known as 'The Debatable lands' on the border between Scotland and England, so they were stateless people as neither the crowns of Scotland or England has any official power or claim there, it was a lawless land full of crime as you'd imagine, it was the Reivers who largely were deported as criminals but it was easy because they were stateless people essentially who were considered neither Scottish or English, Reiver was more of their own identity of nationality as people of the debatable lands, which was like the Kowloon of southern Scotland/Northern England on unclaimed border land that was neither run by the Kingdoms of Scotland or England. Eventually the Reivers became an embarrassment to both kingdoms and so they were deported as stateless criminals to foreign colonies like Australia and Northern Ireland and the Americas where their descendents became the Outlaw Yankees who then mixed in with other American families and gradually became their own people as the modern Americans.

What should be remembered is that away from romantic novels, most Scots of the 16th and 17th century were presbyterians. The Jacobites were not a majority and were not popular in most of the country. Here in Fife and Perthshire, the Black Watch are revered as the local infantry regiment (now 3rd Btn Royal Regiment if Scotland). Black Watch/Government Tartan is one of the most popular tartans. Most kilt hire shops will have it available.

@hogwash9140

3 жыл бұрын

What I never understood was that the Drummond Earls of Perth were notorious Jacobites, and yet the Watch were so popular.

@andjonand4112

Жыл бұрын

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@rc59191

Жыл бұрын

Does Scotland only have one regiment in the Royal Army?

@lexico69

Жыл бұрын

@@rc59191 The is no Royal Army only the British army. Here are the Scottish regiments. The Royal regiment of Scotland The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards The Scots Guards (effectively a London regt as part of he Household guard) Various Scottish reserve units such as 32 (Scottish)Signal regt. All infantry regts. We’re amalgamated to form the Royal regiment of Scotland including he Black Watch.

I'm wearing a black watch tartan right now. I enjoy the color. Any one have a issue can get fooked.

I have ancestors that were Jacobites and I have a ancestor who was a Black Watch member during Culloden, I wear both, it’s history you and I can’t change it, we can only learn from it, and use the facts we learn to make tomorrow better

@pijnto

3 жыл бұрын

There was no black watch at the time of Culloden

@pawadventures5544

3 жыл бұрын

The battle of Culloden was 16 April 1746. Black Watch was created 1881.

@pijnto

3 жыл бұрын

@@pawadventures5544 "exactly"

@raymondfink9580

3 жыл бұрын

Royal Scot’s, sorry I group them together in my mind, I realize there probably different but still look at them as the same. Explain please the difference between the two.

@gazpal

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymondfink9580 the Royal Scots were formed in 1633 and known as the 1st Regiment of Foot - with troops from the Lothians - while the "Black Watch" were formed in 1881 from the 42nd Regiment of Foot (Royal Highland) - originally formed as six watch companies (from clans Campbell, Fraser, Munro and Grant) to "police" the highlands circa 1725 - and the 73rd Regiment of Foot. They have a hard earned and proud history

I know I'm late to the party here, but maybe someone sees my comment later when they come across this video. Okay, so there are some feelings in the US about the Black Watch. But...and there's a big "but" coming. So many Scots who migrated to the US during the mid 18th century, did so because of the Jacobite uprising. Most of those who held dear to the loyalties of the Jacobites and Highland ways moved to the frontier, or what is now Appalachia, many moving west from there. This would include my ancestors who landed in Virginia in 1741, went southwest into western NC, then into Tennessee, then a couple generations later into the boot-heel of Missouri. My ancestors brought with them the stories of the old country, as most immigrants do. Those stories were magnified and morphed over time. The Black Watch were considered "traitors" to the highland way during the Jacobite uprising, but that was during what was essentially a civil war. Shit happens, people heel over generations. Symbols of the past do not represent the same feelings as symbols of today, at least in many cases. For Americans who still don't get it, think of it like this: How many southerners are proud to fly the American flag and wear the US military uniforms of today upon volunteering for service? The Black Watch to my ancestors was what the Union Army was to ...well, my later ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. But that did not stop my great grandfathers, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, brother and myself from joining and serving in the US military under the Star Spangled Banner. Now if I were to travel back in time and ask John Lowe of the Clan MacLaren in 1741 what he thought of the Black Watch, I expect I'd get a similar response as if I were to ask my 3rd Great Uncle Thomas Lowe of the 5th Missouri Confederate Calvary what he thought of the Union Army. And here I am a proud, middle aged, US Marine Corps combat veteran, from a patriotic family who has loved this country - whatever it meant to them at the time - for over 200 years. And...I am now in a pipe band and we wear the Black Watch tartan, as does my Valley's KSA of which I am a member. I am happy as a clam to do so. Any fight there may have been was not mine. So, why would we expect native Scots to be any different in their feelings about similar things?

My deceased Father in Law a McArthur served in the Black Watch 1940-1944, until wounded and I think the World and all of Any who served in the Black Watch, never have been concerned about the how, what and/or why of things from 200 years ago. All members are heroes and total badasses in my mind.

@MrAtsyhere

2 жыл бұрын

He would have been with my Uncle then, who caught malaria at Montecasino Italy. He was only 15 when he signed up in 1939. When he returned to his unit in Holland after recovery he almost didn't recognize the unit, they had so many casualties. My uncle may still be alive, in his mid 90's I have lost contact.

What should be remembered is that away from romantic novels, most Scots of the 16th and 17th century were presbyterians. The Jacobites were not a majority and were not popular in most of the country. Here in Fife and Perthshire, the Black Watch are still revered as the local infantry regiment (now 3rd Btn Royal Regiment of Scotland). When they return from deployments, it’s normal for homecoming parades where people to line the streets and clap them home. Black Watch/Government Tartan is one of the most popular tartans. Most kilt hire shops will have it available

Having served in the Highland Brigade & later the Scottish Division, there was never a problem with the BW (Government) tartan nor by civilians! By the the way it was not only the campbells that were involved in the Glencoe Massacre a lot of other clans were involved as were mercenarys from europe!

@chasemurraychristopherdola7108

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you on that because Like I wear the black watch tartan in the USA and people love it and I wear it because I play the base drum in a pipe and drum band that is named after the famous famous brave black watch which is a British Canadian and Scottish infantry regiment and its currently the 3rd battalion of the royal regiment of Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and thank you for your service Joe MacDonald

@lewisdean22

2 жыл бұрын

I was in the 1st Battalion Argyll and Sutherland Highlands for 9 years ( Scotland )our kilts were very similar to that of the black watch and on one or two occasions a black watch kilt got mixed up with our Government tartan kilts.

@terrykeever9422

Жыл бұрын

There were a number of other clans involved in Glencoe including the one my surname is a sept of - MacIver. I hope none of my relations were involved.

My mother was a Campbell and she had six brothers, and all but one was older than herself. So yes, I am a Campbell as much as any of my cousins. I have been to Scotland and visited the sites, but no one ever said there was anything the matter with being Campbell. Wishing you and all other Scots, the best. Have a great week.

@debbiestewart7515

3 жыл бұрын

My fella, Clan Gunn Sutherland born & family, told me there use to be a sign on the Clachaig Inn in Glencoe saying something along the lines of "No hawkers, vagabonds or Campbells" in the 80s/90s when he was guiding & running winter skills courses 😂

@michellearmstrong7903

2 жыл бұрын

Vast majority of scots don't give a toss about highland clans, many cane from Ireland in 19th century

@alexandermenzies9954

2 жыл бұрын

@@debbiestewart7515Captain Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, who led the government regiment involved in the massacre, was a lone Campbell who bears great responsibility for what happened in Glencoe. Ignorance has spread that responsibility to clan Campbells who were not there. I have no Campbell blood but it is grossly bad form to label other Campbells with that atrocity.

@rc59191

Жыл бұрын

Go to that tavern in Glencoe with the sign that says no Campbell's lol be interested to see what their reaction is.

Well try wearing a Rangers or Celtic in Scotland. Especially in a pub in Glasgow.

@gazpal

3 жыл бұрын

The trick is not to, unless you know the area.

@wherethecrowflies1965

2 жыл бұрын

your will be welcomed with a Glaswegian kiss....

@rc59191

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean the Connaught Rangers?

I have never met any person with negative views on the Black Watch Tartan, the Black Watch Tartan is a generic Tartan

@jamesrodden.1008

3 жыл бұрын

It isnt a Generic tartan, Its a Government Tartan. And my regimental tartan.

@pijnto

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesrodden.1008 My understanding is that as it was not associated with a clan it was was considered generic, I am no authority it is just what I was led to believe

I wear my Black Watch kilt quite often and I've had some men who served in the Black Watch have good comments about me wearing it and they usually tell me about their experiences while serving years ago.

@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

4 жыл бұрын

Here's a wee fact for you. I remember years ago that a friend went to the funeral of the last Scottish soldier who served in WW1 .And he was from the Black Watch. Bit embarrassed I can't remember his name. But my friend was in the T,A part timers Black Watch.

I had this pattern in two kilt skirts. One in 1968, in high school, and another in 1978 when the kilt skirt returned to popularity. I loved them!

A great regiment, with incredible battle honours, my father was in the Argyles, my grandfather was HLI, my uncle was in the Black Watch, I personally have great respect for all the Scottish regiments, as I do for all the regiments across Britain, I have great regards for the American armed forces. First of all I think it’s great that people embrace the culture and history of your ancestors, but a bit of advice, don’t get involved with the politics.

US Southerners don't have to go back that far, to Glencoe, to have a feeling about things.

@TheStein474

3 жыл бұрын

What's glen Coe got to do with southern Americans?

@timothycook337

3 жыл бұрын

I think he was saying that American southerners don't have to have rich family history in say Glencoe to have strong feelings about it. Maybe their wife's fathers ancestor fought and died in Glencoe and they only recently got married but he's all mad about your black watch kilt. Which sounds ridiculous

Respect to all the Scotsman that fort to keep our word / speech and dress alive ... 💝

Good video. My Grandfather was in the Black Watch in WWII. I am always searching for more information to learn more about his experiences.

Since my grandmother was McElroy (sept of Clan Grant), I was taught that the Black Watch tartan was originally Grant's hunting tartan.

Two Australian Mac Donald’s went fishing off Skye, they asked the boatman who took them out fishing, ‘ what clan are you?’ ‘Campbell came the reply.’ Drunk they through him overboard. Realising they couldn’t drive the boat, they radio’ed a mayday. A boat was sent out to rescue them also crewed by Campbells as many Skye boats are, they rescued the two MacDonalds and the unfortunate Campbell from the sea. Drunks are for from unknown in Scotland, the McDonalds were in Scotland for a MacDonald clan gathering, and just a bit too high spirited. A true story .No lasting harm was done.Moral of the story, don’t dunk a Campbell off Skye, even if your a MacDonald.

Black Watch is my clan’s hunting tartan. The first Black Watch commander was a Munro.

@gizmodog42

3 жыл бұрын

The Black watch tartan is a government tartan not a clan tartan, cant see how you can claim it as clan hunting tartan X 1 BW

I have two Black Watch Kilts, standard green and weathered, love 'em both. I have no prob with the Campbells, or anyone else.

There were no more Campbell's at Glencoe than anyone else. The commander was a Campbell, who was forced to fulfill the sanction against the MacDonald's of Glencoe because of debt. The commander, Robert Campbell, who's son later commanded a group of Campbell's in 1715 at Sheriffmuir on the side of the Jacobites, along side of MacDonald of Keppoch.

The black watch had nothing to do with Glencoe 1692. The black watch was formed in 1725 as six independant companies as part of the armed forces of the kingdom, Three of these companies, of 114 men each, were commanded by Lord Loval, Sir Duncan Campbell of Lochnell, and colonel Grant of Ballindalloch, with the rank of captain. The other three of 70 men each, by Colin Alexander Campbell of Skipness, John Campbell of of Carrick, and George Munro of Culcairn, with the rank of captain-lieutenant.. The Independant companies continued as such until 1739, when the Black Watch was formed, as a regiment, with John, 20th Earl of Crawford as it's first Colonel.

I love my black watch kilt. Very glad to know that it's not offensive. Thanks

@rc59191

Жыл бұрын

It's a beautiful pattern though I prefer my Grey Watch and family tartan.

I'm part Clan Campbell from my father's side of the family and the black watch or the antique Campbell tartans are what I was looking at when I can finally get my kilt.

My uncle served in the black watch. Love that tartan. I got married in a kilt. Hate the Campbell's as they massacred hundreds of my ancestors and destroyed the castle. Only joking. It was a couple hundred years ago and I don't hold grudges unlike some people.

As an Irishman I would have no issue with someone wearing The Black Watch Tartan, and I'd imagine it wouldn't receive much negativity even on a busy Saturday night as the majority of people would just see a kilt without being able to identify the historic significance attached to a specific Tartan.

I wear it because my great-great-grandfather was a Campbell. 🇨🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇮🇪

I suggest that subscribers read "The King's Jaunt" by the late John Prebble. It basically describes how Sir Walter Scott, the novelist, was asked to organise the visit of King George IV to Edinburgh, I think about 1820. It would be the first visit of a Hanoverian monarch to Scotland. Scott let his imagination run riot and organised a tartan fiesta. Tartan had mainly died out in Scotland and only the Army Highland regiments wore it regularly. Commercial weavers saw an opportunity and started producing so called "Clan" tartans. Even George IV wore a form of Highland dress and was painted wearing it, complete with pink tights! Queen Victoria later caught the bug and by wearing it encouraged its popularity. Lockhart, Sir Walter Scott's son in law, a sardonic Edinburgh man, said something like " I do not understand why people are parading around Edinburgh in what, in former times, would have been considered the dress of a cattle thief". Now we have British regiments which were originally raised to combat the Jacobites amalgamated into the Royal Regiment of Scotland and wearing kilts. The Royal Scots and The Kings own Scottish Borderers did not wear tartan until the late 19th C, similarly the now defunct Cameronians. Braveheart has a lot to answer for. I speak as someone with Scottish Borders connections. At least my ancestors were involved in robbing and killing their English counterparts. The Highlanders did the same but to each other.

Black watch tartan is hated within the military world of Scotland, a lot of the battalions hate how the black watch are the most famous regiment so they take an opportunity to rub in the fact that the Argyll and Sutherland highlander tartan is now the Tartan of the Royal Regiment of Scotland. However there is no hatred to the Black Watch just friendly rivalry.

@joebaxter4384

3 жыл бұрын

Mince

I am ex black watch and I am proud to wear the tartan and serve with the black watch

@merrybutcher2978

Жыл бұрын

An anti- catholic regiment.

I hate that its seen as a bad guy because it looks nice and most importantly my dad and my grandpa all wore it not as a kilt but as pants/shirts

The blackwatch gets the bad name from the Highland clearances that took place under its watch. That being said over the last Century and a quarter they have done some pretty amazing things to be celebrated.

Got to say as a soldier of over 20 years in the British Army, the Black Watch was one of our most well known and respected regiments. Even today post amalgamation into the Royal Regiment of Scotland they are still one of the names that is widely known. Out of respect I'd not wear Black Watch tartan, owing to the close relation to the regiment, in the same way I'd never take to wearing an guardsmans bearskin and tunic. It's just not good etiquette wearing another regiments dress and items if you haven't served as a part of them.

Rob Roy MacGregor used his Mother's Campbell name when the MacGregor name and tartan was banned.

Only in the US was I singled out for my english accent when having to do with Irish people. Actually it was thanks to the bartender showing the business side of his cricket bat to the overly excited american of declared irish descent that stopped the bloke from trying to start a scuffle. He was absolutely furious for me wishing him health as he didn't even know what Slainte meant.

I've always been taught, don't wear a regimental tartan if you weren't in the reg. Blackwater, Argyll and Sutherland highlanders, HLI, Cameroonian, lovat scouts ect...

To me, the Black Watch tartan reminds me of my youth. I am American, but Dad raised us somewhat with our Scottish heritage. He played the bagpipes, as did my two oldest siblings. I was used to seeing him in a kilt on occasion. I was raised with this tartan in the house. I never knew it was supposed to be a bad thing. In fact, I'm sure if my teenage son knew it was the bad guy tartan, given an opportunity, he would probably prefer it if I pushed our heritage the way Dad did.

I am also Clan Campbell, and one of my good friends was coincedentally Clan MacDonald and we harbored no grudges about it besides joking about it every once in a while.

Both of you are completely right. You both LEARNED what you know about Scotland its history and traditions because you have became involved in a retail organization which deals with the purchase of our heritage in some form or other. Therefore , the possibility of upsetting your USA audience should be very slim if not non existent. The Black Watch question when I came across it would hook some very passionate remarks from the Scot in general. Whilst I wish you luck in your money making ventures by way of selling to an audience . Please remember also, the internet is not always right not is it correct in some chronological details of Scotland . I would stick to what your good at…. Selling the ‘dream’ There are a few of us here in Scotland aware of USA kilts and the videos you release and your presence on facebook through various groups ran under your auspices. With respect, you sell Scottish Clothing and accessories to which there is a demand in the USA, detailed accurate history of Scotland is for historians ( not always correct either ) and I would leave ‘advice” to those. You are however free to express an opinion. I am incidentally a Scot born and raised in Scotland.

Good morning from Northern Ireland, From a Nationalist or Catholic perspective Black Watch Tartan conjures up The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland and the Troubles. I Think a Nationalist leaning person if they realised the name or recognised the tartan would not wear it in Ireland. That being said the Ulster-Scots/ Protestants probably would wear it. Slán agus beannacht

@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

4 жыл бұрын

Not really. Every person I know has the Rangers tartan. Now my mum had a headscarf a Black Watch sergeant give her at a party in Palace Barracks many years ago.

@Stephen-eire

4 жыл бұрын

@@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603 A Ranger Tartan would not be worn by the vast majority of Cultural Catholics or Nationalist anywhere on the island if they release what it is. Are you trying to say Nationalists would wear a Black Watch if they knew the history?

Sure don't hate the Black Watch tartan here in Canada! Much beloved here.

Sounds like us Americans, even though I'm Scottish & Irish, we could learn from the UK and not be so damn sensitive.

what did the Black Watch have to do with the Glencoe Massacre, or the battle of Culloden? They werent even founded until 1881.

what's the red, black, and white tartan the guy on the left is wearing? It's gorgeous!

If I had a kilt, id wake up with a few ribbons underneath it In the morning.

Exactly, most folk don't know one tartan from another, apart from one or two - and we all know this strict obsession with tartan is largely a romantic Victorian development - invention in most cases, now the obsession is taken up by Americans. Up till then, cloth was made locally, and worn as such, hence so called 'clan' tartan, and also traded. But never regarded as a set family colour. Nobody really gave a shite what colour it was - and we still largely don't!

The Black Watch didn't fight at Culloden, They were at Fontenoy fighting

As a police officer I don't care who wears the LE tartan, it's not recognizable enough to make anyone think you're an officer and I'm happy to have the support. Slàinte

I had recently bought two kilts, loving them so far. While I genuinely hope I don't upset anyone, I can't control or guess what others may feel. Not my problem. Being Mexican-American, I would feel quite happy if any aspect of my mother culture would become popular or interesting to anyone! This has happened with Dia De Los Muertos, if only in an aesthetic sense. I personally enjoy learning more and more about the kilt and it's historical ties.

As you are always saying the people should wear what they feel comfortable with so the question about is this or that the right tartan is answered, if you think that it may cause some problem for you do not get that tartan.

Black Watch ... one of my fav tartans!

🛑🛑. Brilliant answer. I wear Blackwatch Tartan because 1) Im a foreigner and 2) I lived in Hong Kong, and the Blackwatch protected Hong Kong for decades. I've had nothing but handshakes and hugs from Scot strangers who've seen me in my kilt.

For me, this is an interesting tpoic to discuss. I'm not one to wear any but my clan tartan, for fear of accidentally affiliating myself with another clan. I wear it in support of hte MacLachlans. Now the Campbells, having done all they did, weren't the worst clan in the Highlands, though they were bullies in some instances (Glencoe, MacGregor name outlawed, siding with the English in the '45, etc.). They were considered an ally of MacLachlan, then in the 17th-18th centuries, a rival.

Very well put gents.

Yup. I have a good friend who is a Campbell. He laughs every time I refer to him as one of those murtherin' Campbells of Glen Coe. Since both Cook and my Grannie's clan, Johnson, are sept to MacDonald we have great fun with it. Since Johnson is also sept to Clan Gunn we have fun harassing the Keiths at Celtic festivals, too.

I would be mindful that the "concerns" with the Black Watch tartan relate to very real issues and divides that still permeate both Scotland and Ireland, particularly Ulster. A lot of the time these issues are mentioned, it seems to be some variant of "English Redcoats vs Scottish Highlander" and this clash of the Anglo-Norman culture with the Celtic cultures. Yet, in reality, it is a lot more nuanced and complex than all that. For instance, the bulk of anti-Jacobite resistance in Scotland was...Scottish, not English. Even in the Highlands, a huge portion of the Jacobite forces were caught up in drawn out battles and skirmishes across the Highlands and Islands. Many lowland Scots, particularly those of the Covenanting regions (Ayreshire, Dumfries and Galloway, etc), were worried that the Jacobites were seeking to reinstate a "popish" king, and so resistance there was as (or, in reality, more) strong, and uniquely Scottish, against the Jacobites as the efforts by the English government. Similarly, in Ireland, the divide was much more complex as longstanding cultural differences permeated the internal politics of Ireland. Indeed, part of the reason that Ulster was always much more aligned with cross-strait interests was the shared heritage, religion, even language (Lallans, or Scots), between lowland Scotland and Ulster. These divides played a great part in the reception given to the varying groups of Jacobites and Hanoverians - indeed, the term Hanoverian had little meaning, or indeed still has little meaning, to the politics of Ulster and parts of Scotland. Williamite, or Orange (named after the loyalty many had to Queen Mary Stuart and her co-ruler King William, of Orange), are the cultural references to those who, in England and to the Jacobites (and therefore the wider English speaking world), the term Hanoverian applies. As a result, items like the Black Watch tartan (the Black Watch/independent companies being a fellow force to the Williamite forces of Scotland) hold higher popularity in some regions and cultures, for the same reasons others might see offense in the same. Case in point: Derby Days in Glasgow. Although much more mild these days, the divide is very much still there between the Rangers and Celtic, with the battle lines between the two much on the same lines as between Jacobite and Williamite, or in Northern Irish terms, Irish Nationalist vs Union Loyalist. The iconography of things like the Black Watch tartan are very present in the Derby Day clashes.

The Black Watch tartan is just a good all around tartan to wear as a kilt, waistcoat, jacket or trousers just for the way it puts the green and blue together. An article of Black Watch clothing is so easy to co-ordinate with other articles of clothing. Let's leave politics and other personal animosities out of it.

The highlands were a lawless place in the late 17th century and a force was raised to police the area which was known for cattle thieving, highway robbery and other acts of theft and pillage. The force kept watch through the dark Scottish nights and became known as The Black Watch. They were formed into a regiment and fought at Culloden for King and country defending British democracy, under the Duke of Argyll.

@josephmccrory618

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly the reason that there exists a prejudice in a lot of Scottish minds. Scots, bullying,harrassing and ignoring local civil arrangements dressed and armed in the service of the British crown. As mentioned a tough bunch,veterans of many a battlefield,they were hardly medics and social workers.So keen to do their King's bidding ,along with their assoorted cohort and a shilling, made quite a mess ethhnically cleansing the highlands and Islands. I would never wear nor would any of my family don a BW tartan.

@cosh52

3 жыл бұрын

The Black Watch was raised to keep watch on the Highlands it is said they started at sunset and finished at sunrise raised 1725 three companies then amalgamated into a regiment 1739 of six companies who at the time of Culloden the were fighting at Fontoy in France however The Boucher Cumberland form a militia of two companies who were sympathetic to wee Gordie they fought against the Jacobites then disbanded after Culloden just a short bit of history there’s plenty more if you wish

Most negative that I've seen on this subject and the negative comments were from "experts" from here in the US. Many tend to know more, at least in their narrow minds, than the Scots and those who wore the BW tartan proudly.

Good regiment of soldiers. With a dodgy past. The regiment was even betrayed many times by their London masters

My first real kilt was (and still is) Black Watch. My favorite one, it's a great casual kilt that I can wear out canoeing in a t-shirt and water shoes, then out to dinner with my family in a nice shirt and tie. As long as my grandkids don't flip the canoe. Maybe I should wear the Royal Stewart on the river.

It's also called Government tartan. Like you said. Generic

Love black watch.

In reality - the association of any particular tartan with a family is a Victorian thing. In truth, before the wearing of kilts in Scotland was banned by the English, the dyes used in the cloth to make tartan, plaid, and kilts was just made from whatever local plants and materials that could be found. Setts (the pattern of a tartan) were whatever the weaver came up with, and varied greatly. Queen Victoria had a fascination with the Scots and "resurrected" the wearing of tartans when she lifted the ban on kilts, and this is when the "clan" tartans appeared. On the flip side - the Black Watch tartan IS considered a MILITARY tartan (NOT a Clan Tartan), and is part of the Uniform, and it is normally considered EXTREMELY inappropriate, rude, and possibly even Stolen Valour, for someone who is not associated with the Regiment to wear it (along with any other part of a Military Uniform that you are not entitled to wear). As you said - there are HUNDREDS of other tartans which would probably be much more appropriate for a civilian. The USA has it's own Tartan, as do many states and Countries. Canada has several, All Canadian Provinces have tartans, as well as many cities (Nova Scotia's is particularly beautiful). There are tartans for Fire Departments, Police, even some companies have their own! My particular favorite is the RCAF Tartan - of course being a 22 year RCAF Veteran, I am a little biased, and find myself torn between my family's Red Tartan, and the RCAF..... LOL

@drakinkoren

3 жыл бұрын

The stolen valour bit may be true in Canada, but I've never heard of it in Scotland.

@vorynrosethorn903

Жыл бұрын

The Scots don't care much as they just assume that tourists are ignorant of any history, especially Americans, plus the regiment was amalgamated back during the 90's and that is a vastly more contentious issue which many people are angry about. If you are a subject of the Crown then the Stuart tartan is appropriate as you can be considered to belong to the King's clan, but really people are more likely to pick a fight over the fact of a foreigner wearing a kilt than any specific tartan (and those people are just looking for fights anyway, I recommend not visiting the worse parts of Glasgow, but generally your mouth will be you in more trouble than anything you are wearing unless you have an IRA patch or something stupid). It mostly doesn't matter unless you are being so arrogant and unpleasant that they want an excuse to knock your teeth in for it. Only real advice is to not thing that your experience from media is worth anything, don't get political as you will likely make incorrect assumptions and end up telling Unionists that you support independence or boast about your Irish ancestory to the Catholics only to say those ancestors came from Ulster.

@stevereed-oconnor477

9 ай бұрын

Uninformed drivel! Whilst being the tartan of what was formerly the regiment of the same name, the Black Watch tartan, also known as 'the Government Tartan', is classed as a universal tartan that can be worn by anyone, alongside the Royal Stewart. As a Scotsman born and living in Perthshire, with a strong family connection to that famous regiment, I would kindly ask that you get your facts right before spreading 'mince' about what may be " inappropriate,rude or stolen valour". Thank you for your service anyway Sir!

My partner was in The Black Watch, and he says after viewing these comments he has never read so much shit in his life

The tradition of the Black Watch is still alive today in some countries, and here in Canada it was a legendary part of our military until fairly recently. I wonder if those who want to wear one, and who are not active or retired members of a black watch unit want to do so for the same reason as some like to wear military uniforms, patches, medals and all and yet did not serve in the military at all. I personally don't appreciate either.

@stevereed-oconnor477

9 ай бұрын

What on Earth are you talking about man? The Black Watch tartan, whilst being the tartan worn by that regiment is also known as 'the government tartan', being a universal tartan that can be worn by anyone, along with the Royal Stewart. As a Scotsman born and living in Perthshire, I proudly wear the Black Watch tartan for this reason and in recognition of my grandfather, Major Stewart, Black Watch, who served in the regiment between 1924 and 1959. Frankly you or anyone else can wear any tartan you like. We are all 'Jock Thomson's bairns!'

@randaldavid7685

9 ай бұрын

Ok friend, no offense was intended. Pardon my misunderstanding@@stevereed-oconnor477

Good to hear Americans point out the attitude problem of Americans when it comes to this sort of thing.

Great answer to a rather silly question!

I think the biggest issue is clan tartans in specific regions. I've heard a specific youtuber's wedding said to not wear clan tartans just in case, and a different youtuber that went got the stink eye from an elderly lady on the street asking if his was a specific clan. But he said she gave him a partial I don't believe you type response and walked away.

I have said this before the Campbell's massacred my lot that's why we are in Northern Ireland.we got kicked out of Scotland. You wouldn't get a tin of Campbell's soup in my house. Am Ulster Scott's.

@Jimmythefish577

4 жыл бұрын

The Belfast Viking Martin Brown that’s sad, and slightly pathetic. Nobody did anything to you personally.

@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jimmythefish577 it was a joke you know and it's pathetic that you couldn't even see it

@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jimmythefish577 and what's pathetic is talking about the black watch upsetting the Irish when the ira murder's killed two of its members in Northern Ireland. And that as a kid my dad used to bring home a few of the guys to our house and the club for drinks. Because as him and my uncles used to be local guides on patrol with them. My dad being ex UDR and part time RUC ,uncles was UDR and RUC. Oh and brother was UDR 7/10 and I was British army. So we respect the black watch in my house. And no one doing anything to me . My uncle David Brown Sergeant RUC killed by ira in 1982. And an uncle on my mum's side killed by them in the early 70s

My tartan is Mackay and Clarkes clan tratrans

My mother was Campbell. We have no idea which Sept. Therefore, as I am former military, I wear the Blackwatch ! I'm learning more as I go but,will die as Blackwatch

And primarily it was the Campbell's and they were eventually forgiven in the 1970's such was their discust within the highland clans

Well, what if you can't find your tartan and blackwatch or Campbell is the closest thing to it? Because there are a number of others I've seen, but can't find the exact tartan for that are very similar, like MacAllan (or at least without spending $200. I refuse to spend more than $50 on an article of clothing. It's clothing.

Not in this American with strong Scots descent on both sides of his family, and with family that served in the Black Watch. The men that wore the Black Watch were fulfilling their oaths to their Chiefs, who in turn were fulfilling their oaths to the crown, thus the responsibility for any and all atrocities lies with the crown, no the men who wore the Tartan in honor. Any who disdain the Black Watch Tartan are ignorant of the true history.

The Government tartan is a symbol of a long and proud history of service. If you don't like that, that is you right, but don't,t try to inflict you bigotry on others.

I wouldn’t be caught anywhere in Blackwatch Tartan. That tartan was worn by traitors.

It is kind of a consequence of coming from an immigrant nation, especially if most of the people have a mixed heritage; people looking to learn about their roots get some what obsessed with history and technical traditions they sometimes forget the old world culture and societies have evolved and changed from what it was to include new concepts and ideas. Most if any historical grudges are history not current events, and history is usually not as it has been romanticized. Keep in mind the heritage and history of these places go back before people knew the America's actually existed. My grandmother who actually came from Scotland said " Some Canadians are more Scottish than Scottish people" Referring to the over saturation of the culture but not having much context to it.

It doesn't offend me (any more than Campbell tartan does), but I'll not wear it.

My lineage is from the McDonalds of glencoe, McIain. I've been meaning to playfully jab at a friend as she has Campbell lineage. Lol

As long as its not a Campbell tartan your fine in Scotland

what is a military Tartan? Does it go by service

@HO-bndk

3 жыл бұрын

The tartan was designed by the British government to clothe soldiers. Its correct name is Government Sett No.1. It's only called "Black Watch" because this was the informal name given to the first Highland independent infantry companies to be raised, in the 18th century. Kilts look great on fit soldiers, they look fantastic on women (even a woman in a man's kilt) and look ridiculous on everybody else. Real Scotsmen loathe all this touristy tartan frippery.

Perhaps from a UK or (native) Scottish perspective, the original question of this video might very well come across as strange or weird or that we as Americans are "trying too hard" or are otherwise reading into it way too much insofar as Kilts and Scottish history in general are concerned... ...but I think at the root of the original question is that those Americans (or other outsiders for that matter) who want to wear kilts, for whatever their motives or reasons... ....want to make sure that when they do so, they are not looking foolish or stupid... ...or worse, are inadvertently (or even intentionally) incuring the scorn of Scottish people or otherwise from those people who are "in the know" when comes to the proper manners, etiquette and other 'formalities' of properly wearing the kilt and it's accessories & regalia. In summary... we as Americans know that there is fine line between being a genuine fan of particular culture... ....and making fools out of ourselves by wearing something in poor taste, being a jackass poser or (worse) a complete rip-off, phoney and a fraud.

Yes!

I own my Black Watch kilt, I'm a Scot my mother was a Campbell and I would be proud to honour the regiment in wearing it. Think what you want by by all means but choose your words carefully or don't, it's all good, do you really want to fight a man wearing no underwear, your call. Or we could endure in a few drinks and have a laugh, I'm happy to do both 😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇨🇦

Heh, conflict of interest here. I'm MacDowall, Campbell,MacDougall (Not the alt for MacDowall but ACTUAL Somerled MacDougall with a few female Wallaces in. My Father is 100 percent German. I get the Scot from my matrilineal side.

I challenge anyone, literally ANYONE, to go to Perth, or Inverness, & openly criticise any Scotsman wearing the Black Watch kilt! I can almost guarantee, you'd learn to enjoy hospital food........once you could chew again!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤣🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Are you Scottish? We’re you born in Scotland? I was born in Dundee ( Angus ) - I support the Black Watch.

Part Campbell here too!

John Wayne wore it in ‘The Black Watch’ 1929

In response to critics of Clan Campbell: Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.

It's not a thing, don't make it a thing - that's my favorite saying. *Cough*I am totally wearing black watch tartan at the moment*cough*

I really think the Black Watch tarten is beautiful.

If there was a black and tan tartan that would be an issue in ireland,because the black and tans are a more recent thing,they shot at my grandfather for example who was only a postman doing his rounds. glencoe Black watch might be a slight thing though in northern ireland ,but not in the republic very few would know the tartan in either place or any tartan quite frankly.

@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

4 жыл бұрын

Ops my grandfather was in the black and tans just after the war.. yet again some ira bastard murdered his cousin simple because they was looking for a Protestant to kill . Oh we all got the freedom of Castlereagh when I was in the B Specials Association. And we had a few pints of black and tan afterwards at the party

@galoglaich3281

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603 My grandfather was just a postman he wasn't involved in the IRA and his brothers died in the great war. Of course we told as youngsters that the old IRA were good and the new bad ,as i have got older my views have become more nuanced,but i will never and never have voted for Sinn Fein.

I guess some Americans are still sore over our Britexit over 200 years ago. Where the Blackwatch smashed through Washington's flank with a bayonet charge.😊