G29 series of wheels is best entry level wheel when it's on the used market from someone upgrading to a DD or bored of driving games already. Of course nothing beats a direct drive wheel base, budget has to be there.

@DuXQaK

24 күн бұрын

So true. I just picked up a used G923 for one third of the price of a new R3. I'll get a direct drive one day maybe. Perhaps if I keep playing after a while and get a rig that can handle a higher Nm DD than the R3 is. 🕶️😎🕶️

@Ty-er5ok

24 күн бұрын

@@DuXQaK My first wheel is a used G29 for $100 off Facebook Marketplace about a month ago. Same logic as you - wanted to be sure I was REALLY into it before I plunked down big money. Unfortunatlley for me, I'm on PS5 and my upgrade choices are limited - No Moza. I have to go with either Fanatec GT bundle, or Logitech G Pro. Both very expensive. What I might do is just get the G Pro wheels, not the peddles as I like my G29 peddles just fine. With those, I might either leave as is or install the Tru-Brake mod.

@darkplasticbag2382

18 күн бұрын

yeah i thought about getting the r3 but it also just so happens to cost all of the money i have rn. not that im in a bad spot it just feels morally wrong lmao. the thought that i can sell the g29 in the future & upgrade to DD comforts me, so i think i made the right choice

For the MOZA, the chip is within the wheel so you’re stuck with the form factor of a round wheel, which in my opinion is horrible and not properly thought out. This to me is a huge consequence of this R3 package. (We are just strictly speaking of wheels here, not force feedback) IF that chip was in a form of an adapter that can be plugged into a base or a MOZA hub, that would be very nice because every MOZA base can take advantage of the compatibility, as well as being able to accept other MOZA wheels. But the biggest gripe for me is that IF that chip was actually built into the base (like the PlayStation Fanatec) you can use the Formula or GT wheels on it. Don’t forget that the MOZA has a quick release system whereas the logitech you’re comparing it to, doesn’t. The fact that this Xbox console compatibility is only seen as a “beginner wheel”due to the fact that it’s just an R3, is completely isolating the rest of the sim racing community. Even if you were able to connect this Xbox wheel to a stronger base, you are basically limited to the form factor of this wheel. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

@wangoh-uo1gn

24 күн бұрын

An adapter with the security chip inside or within the MOZA hub, would be the most versatile solution that can benefit all users in my opinion especially for those who are new to the brand and those who already own MOZA bases. In fact they could have gotten more customers to buy the more expensive bases given the options that are readily available. They could easily have implemented this adapter / hub (you know it’s possible cuz there are third party adapters out there) but both of these companies got greedy as they know they can use this strategy to sell more bases. Long story short: Xbox console compatibility shouldn’t just be isolated to just beginners or little kids, but the eco system is useless given the chip is within that specific wheel. It’s basically wrong to blatantly assume that console players are all new to sim racing.

@Phantom096

24 күн бұрын

Hence why both Logitech and Moza are garbage in my opinion compared to Fanatec. If Fanatec is good enough for a company like Sony and F1 I think that says it all.

@notniko6914

6 күн бұрын

they literally sell a 12-inch mod and a formula/gt-style mod very cheaply....

@notniko6914

6 күн бұрын

@@Phantom096 fanatec is NOT a good company. products are okay but the company is very bad.

As an Xbox guy, I feel your pain trying to find other stuff to do while your games set to "automatic updates" decide they want to update as soon as you go to play them

@Kireth

24 күн бұрын

Honestly why is it so hard for the xbox to stay up to date 😅😅😅

why not tell people that the Moza does NOT work on ACC on XBox?

@APSolozz_EG

24 күн бұрын

Wdym

@mowglippml

23 күн бұрын

​@@APSolozz_EG it's not supported

@LamaBrrrr

23 күн бұрын

@@mowglippmlr3 is

@APSolozz_EG

23 күн бұрын

@@mowglippml oh ok

@jorgesandoval7401

8 сағат бұрын

Does it work in normal AC?

😎😎 You said you have used that base with load cell pedals, do you mean together with the xbox wheel or or pc with a different wheel? I really want to buy the R3 but I cant seem to find anything on the compatibility with lpad cell pedals.

Thanks for all the help with your videos I appreciate your knowledge 👍👍

I had the G29 for a while until I went full Fanatec with DD Pro and QR1’s on every wheel and never looked back. Night and day difference like many reviewers have described. I have the CSL BMW steering wheel, Clubsport Formula V2.5 and McLaren GT3 V2 with PlayStation. All fantastic!! Fanatec’s prices are competitive even with the power struggle that is going on there lately.

Dude, the G923 is nowhere near £379. A quick google search shows it is between £250 and £289

@bleedingfly

24 күн бұрын

Can't let the truth get in the way of making a redundant youtube video.

Love that Moza F1 wheel, an R3 Lite is an awesome idea they would sell much more of them. This is great to know your a legend Kireth thank you. 😎😊

Thanks for the video @Kireth - was literally just about to go for one!!

it's funny how belt and gear driven wheel bases are still so expensive for what they are, especially when DD's are getting cheaper. Makes no sense paying around €400 for a T300 and something like a T-GT II ( around €400 just for the base, and around €700 with pedals included that aren't even the T-LCM's). The prices of these products need to go down, nothing justifies the current prices. And I don't even consider the Logitech side of things even an option, because gear driven is like the worst of the bunch.

you should do a review on the pxn v12 lite direct drive i’ve been looking around and i’ve watched the 2 or 3 reviews out there by ocracing and takeover but it looks like a great entry/midrange bundle with a wheel pedals base and table clamp with 6nm for the same price as the csl dd with the table clamp

Fanatic is giving a great deal compared to the Logitech package, going from both I really say get yourself a Direct Drive from get go going compare to price

Somebody knows why my buttons don’t work why I enter on f1?

Price really does differ, depending on where you are. In Australia, the Moza R3 is AU$729 RRP. The Logitech G923 is $649 RRP, but can get cheaper (cheapest I found was $438). When I looked at the Euro pricing, there was only 10 euros difference. Weird.

@Jellybeantiger

23 күн бұрын

Australian retailers have an innate gift for ripping us off.

@fajaradi1223

13 күн бұрын

It's kinda insane here in Indonesia. Thrustmaster T300RS GT is slightly more expensive than Moza R3 bundle.

Excellent video. I would also add to the mix the CSL DD ready to race bundle with the McLaren Xbox compatible wheel. I think it is also a good choice even with the uncertainty with Fanatec. The moza wheel appear to be very good, but it is not compatible with all games including ACC.

I got tired of waiting for the R3 and bought another TX base. It's noisy with the fan. I'm sure an R3 will be my next purchase. Glad it finally became available.

Good video, but one mistake - The G923,. G29, etc, wheels are covered in real leather, not fake leather. No idea about the Moza. Also, what do you suggest for upgrade path for PS5 users? No Moza yet. I think my only choice is Fanatec Gran Turismo DD or DD pro, OR Logitech G Pro. The Fanatec option being the cheapest, but I'm a bit worried about entering the Fanatec eco system right now due to their financial situation. Your thoughts? Will Moza ever offer a PlayStation version?

@Phantom096

24 күн бұрын

Don’t even worry about it get the DD Pro with QR1’s on your wheels. You will love it. I had a gear driven G29 which was noisy and terrible compared to the DD Pro.

I have a Logitech G920 and I want to upgrade to the Moza R3.. I'm in Brazil and the price difference is quite big between them.. Moza R3 is triple the price of a Logitech G920.. the problem is that there is no other intermediate option.. Thrustmaster TX practically the same price as the Moza R3.. Thrustmaster T248x is a little cheaper.. and the TS-XW is a little more expensive.. any Fanatec is much more expensive.. So even though the Moza R3 is triple the price of a Logitech G920 it is still the best value for money for a possible upgrade. You who tested both side by side.. Is Moza three times better than Logitech?.. is it worth getting so much more in this upgrade? Thank you.. I wish you success..

Awesome discussion! Totally in love with the R3, though they're not available nowhere near my country lol. And oh 😎

😎 I just switched from a Thrustmaster T300 to a Moza R3. I did upgrade to the SR-P Loadcell Pedals and a larger 12inch ES Steering wheel. Also, everything Mounted straight on to my Next Level 2.0 rig. Direct Drive is so much different than gears or Belts. Moza has a decent ecosystem if you want to continue to upgrade. My next upgrade will probably be a R5 or an R9. As long as you are using the ES XBOX compatible wheel, you do have some upgrade options on Xbox. And yes the Stand alone ES is still different from the Xbox compatible ES that comes in the R3 bundle. I have an email from Moza stating that a stand alone Xbox Compatible ES could happen in the near future. One last important thing to know, compatibility for Xbox is built inside the Button Box on the Steering Wheel itself and not the R3 DD base.

Can you get a R5 or higher base with the Xbox wheel compatible ?

@Defracnic

24 күн бұрын

I think it has been announced that the wheel that makes it console compatible will be sold separately at some point. Not sure when exactly but yeah, you should be able to in the future

🕶️ in you headline it says G29 when you compare R3 to G923 - not sure intentional. Thanks for the great video.

You should try the G923 with a 30v 4A power supply . The difference is noteworthy. The G923 can handle more power than it ships with.

You would have to be nuts to choose a logitech or thrustmaster over the R3

@fajaradi1223

13 күн бұрын

You don't have to be nuts to choose Logitech. Their global distribution is the best among the three. While Thrustmaster is the worse. Like how TF it's easier to find and buy PXN, Fanatec & Moza? Thrustmaster existed waaaay longer than these guys. You can't have a better product if your product doesn't available.

Pxn 12 lite? For xbox

Why not tell people that the rev lights don't work on Xbox and most of those buttons are duplicated and so worthless?

@simcityplays4889

23 күн бұрын

Get a pc than

@mowglippml

21 күн бұрын

​@@simcityplays4889 I'd like to remind you that this video is specifically about wheels on Xbox

Thank you, just helped me make a final decision for me. Moza r3 it is

@uncleped1

24 күн бұрын

is does not work on ACC

Will the R3 clamp to a playseat challenge?

@chilli-soup

24 күн бұрын

Im on my second G920 because i like racing older manual cars and it's the best cheapest option on a P Seat Challenge but since the R3 dropped im seriously thinking about it, will need the extra clutch ped and gearstick so price goes way up but it's bound to fit, if not a few drilled holes is no problem plus i recon the flex with 4N won't really notice.

is'nt that a g29 n0t a 923

@bleedingfly

24 күн бұрын

G920. Xbox version of Playstation G923. Both the same though.

Moza R3 or Pxn v12lite?

@notniko6914

6 күн бұрын

deinfetely moza. much better ecosystem. though the pxn one is twice the price so you can get a moza r9 for that price. also, pxn is a chinese company with little to none social media presence and their website looks like it was entirely done with google translate.

😎 I've had the G923 for two and a half years, and now Simagic Alpha for a week. Logitech was great as a device to test whether virtual racing was my thing. This is enough equipment to get someone excited about simracing. If you find that you like it, it doesn't matter whether it's a gear drive or a tiny DD, it will start to excite you and you will move on, just like I did now. However, if you don't enjoy it, you will lose less money. By the way, Truforce is overrated, at least on G923. When it is turned on, the steering wheel is very noisy, which means very, very loud, so it is not very pleasant to play with. Trueforce effects need to be suppressed, which makes them low usable. I don't have any console, but I don't know if that matters.

Have to drive with my g923 again while my CS DD is getting repaired. It just feels all wrong 😢😢 😂😂😂😂.

For when a R3 Moza wheel to PS5?

Always wait until black Friday to buy new logitech 923

Why can’t they just produce a wheel that works on both consoles and pc? Such a lame industry.

@SamaraxMorgan26

24 күн бұрын

They do, they're just expensive and not entry level

@Datakrashcollective

24 күн бұрын

@@SamaraxMorgan26 what wheel is it

@mattharris1582

23 күн бұрын

Any of the PS versions of the Fanatec DD wheel bases (which are usually a bit more expensive) will work on Xbox - as long as you use an Xbox compatible steering wheel Sony put their security in the actual wheelbase hence the need for a different base.

Great video for people just getting started. 👓

I don't own an XBox, but 😎 👏. Like deployed 👍

With the kind of money Logitech made on the cheap wheels like the G29 and others before it one would think they would already have wheels that can compete with Fanatec. Their wheels are weak and poorly designed for the kind of money they want for their high end one. Don’t even bother with these save a little more and buy Fanatec.

the moza r3 is cheaper than the logitech g923 here lol, the moza r3 is about 500 sgd and the g923 is 600-700 sgd

@stfubar2365

18 күн бұрын

Also, Logitech doesn't officially bring in the Xbox version of the g923 here.

@ReaperPlayzYt

18 күн бұрын

@@stfubar2365 yea it’s hard to find

👓 ..... I think everyone should start out on a Logitech the market is flooded with used ones for two reasons first reason they're most likely upgrading to a direct drive because they've realized how much they love Sim racing and reason number two people bought a $300 wheel and realize that they're absolute trash or they feel like they can't compete and they're throwing in the towel I've been using a Logitech g920 for 8 months now I play on Xbox and PC mostly PC now I play AC and ACC and I feel like it's a stepping stone for everyone only if you're truly dedicated should you upgrade now I've got a full dedicated rig I've got my comfy chair I've got a 40 inch screen just for the rig and I dream every day about triple 32s sorry for the long comment😂

People still playing Forza lol?

No one cares about Xbox sim racing period! The moza for $400 is a bust compared to fanatec that can do 8nm with a $30 ac power pack. 😎

logitech has very bad software and their support is bad. they break very often. also the thumbnail is misleading, the r3 package does come with a table clamp.

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@Kireth

14 күн бұрын

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@TheBossMan2407

24 күн бұрын

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@Kireth

24 күн бұрын

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